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芦匕丕毓 氐賽賷鬲 賴匕賴 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞 賮賷 噩賲賷毓 兀乇噩丕亍 丕賱兀乇囟貙 賵爻賻賲賽毓 亘賴丕 丕賱賯丕氐賷 賵丕賱丿丕賳賷貙 賵兀氐亘丨 丕賱賳丕爻 賷賳馗乇賵賳 廿賱賷賴丕 賰兀賳賴丕 賰賻賳夭 孬賲賷賳 賱丕 賷購賯丿賻賾乇 亘孬賲賳貙 賵丨賲賱 兀禺亘丕乇賻 鬲賱賰 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞 丕賱賮乇爻丕賳購 賵丕賱兀亘胤丕賱 廿賱賶 亘賱丕丿 丕賱兀睾丕乇賯丞貙 賮鬲丕賯賻鬲 賳賮爻購 兀亘胤丕賱賺 毓丿賷丿賷賳 賵兀賲乇丕亍賻 賰孬賷乇賷賳 賵賲賱賵賰賺 毓賽馗丕賲 廿賱賶 丕賲鬲賱丕賰賽 賴匕賴 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞.禄
爻丕賮賻乇 芦賮乇賷賰爻賵爻禄 廿賱賶 亘賱丕丿 賰賵賱禺賷爻 毓賱賶 馗賴乇賽 賰亘卮賺 鈥� 賴賻乇賻亘賸丕 賲賳 鬲賯丿賷賲賴 賲毓 兀禺鬲賴 芦賴賷賱賷禄 賯購乇亘丕賳賸丕 賱賱丌賱賴丞貙 亘丨賷賱丞賺 丿亘賻賾乇鬲賴丕 夭賵噩丞購 兀亘賷賴 鈥� 賮兀賰乇賻賲 賲賱賽賰購 賰賵賱禺賷爻 賵賽賮丕丿鬲賴 賵夭賵賻賾噩賴 丕亘賳鬲賻賴貙 賮賯丿賻賾賲 芦賮乇賷賰爻賵爻禄 丕賱賰亘卮賻 賯乇亘丕賳賸丕 賱賱廿賱賴 芦夭賵爻禄貙 賵噩賽夭賻賾鬲賻賴 丕賱匕賴亘賷丞 賱賱乇亘 芦兀乇賷爻禄貙 賮匕丕毓 氐賽賷鬲購 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞 賮賷 噩賲賷毓 兀賳丨丕亍 丕賱兀乇囟貙 賵胤丕賯鬲 廿賱賷賴丕 賳賮賵爻購 丕賱兀亘胤丕賱 賵丕賱賲賱賵賰貙 賵賰丕賳 廿丨囟丕乇購賴丕 賴賵 丕賱卮乇胤賻 丕賱匕賷 賮乇賻囟賴 芦亘賷賱賷丕爻禄 毓賱賶 芦噩丕爻賵賳禄 賱賷購毓賷丿賻 廿賱賷賴 賲購賱賰賻賴 丕賱匕賷 丕睾鬲氐亘賴 賲賳賴 亘毓丿 賯鬲賱 兀亘賷賴 芦兀賷爻賵賳禄貙 賮丕爻鬲毓丕賳 芦噩丕爻賵賳禄 亘丕賱兀亘胤丕賱 丕賱兀睾丕乇賯丞 賵兀亘丨乇賻鬲 亘賴賲 爻賮賷賳丞 丕賱兀乇噩賵 賮賷 爻亘賷賱 丕賱丨氐賵賱 毓賱賶 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞貙 賱賰賳賴賲 鬲毓乇賻賾囟賵丕 賱賱賰孬賷乇 賲賳 丕賱兀丨丿丕孬 丕賱賲孬賷乇丞 賮賷 乇丨賱鬲賴賲. 賲丕匕丕 丨丿孬 賱賴賲責 賵賴賱 爻賷賳噩丨賵賳 賮賷 丕爻鬲毓丕丿丞 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞責 賴匕丕 賲丕 爻賳毓乇賮賴 賲賳 賯乇丕亍丞 賴匕賴 丕賱賲賻賱丨賲丞 丕賱廿睾乇賷賯賷丞 丕賱爻丕丨乇丞.
爻丕賮賻乇 芦賮乇賷賰爻賵爻禄 廿賱賶 亘賱丕丿 賰賵賱禺賷爻 毓賱賶 馗賴乇賽 賰亘卮賺 鈥� 賴賻乇賻亘賸丕 賲賳 鬲賯丿賷賲賴 賲毓 兀禺鬲賴 芦賴賷賱賷禄 賯購乇亘丕賳賸丕 賱賱丌賱賴丞貙 亘丨賷賱丞賺 丿亘賻賾乇鬲賴丕 夭賵噩丞購 兀亘賷賴 鈥� 賮兀賰乇賻賲 賲賱賽賰購 賰賵賱禺賷爻 賵賽賮丕丿鬲賴 賵夭賵賻賾噩賴 丕亘賳鬲賻賴貙 賮賯丿賻賾賲 芦賮乇賷賰爻賵爻禄 丕賱賰亘卮賻 賯乇亘丕賳賸丕 賱賱廿賱賴 芦夭賵爻禄貙 賵噩賽夭賻賾鬲賻賴 丕賱匕賴亘賷丞 賱賱乇亘 芦兀乇賷爻禄貙 賮匕丕毓 氐賽賷鬲購 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞 賮賷 噩賲賷毓 兀賳丨丕亍 丕賱兀乇囟貙 賵胤丕賯鬲 廿賱賷賴丕 賳賮賵爻購 丕賱兀亘胤丕賱 賵丕賱賲賱賵賰貙 賵賰丕賳 廿丨囟丕乇購賴丕 賴賵 丕賱卮乇胤賻 丕賱匕賷 賮乇賻囟賴 芦亘賷賱賷丕爻禄 毓賱賶 芦噩丕爻賵賳禄 賱賷購毓賷丿賻 廿賱賷賴 賲購賱賰賻賴 丕賱匕賷 丕睾鬲氐亘賴 賲賳賴 亘毓丿 賯鬲賱 兀亘賷賴 芦兀賷爻賵賳禄貙 賮丕爻鬲毓丕賳 芦噩丕爻賵賳禄 亘丕賱兀亘胤丕賱 丕賱兀睾丕乇賯丞 賵兀亘丨乇賻鬲 亘賴賲 爻賮賷賳丞 丕賱兀乇噩賵 賮賷 爻亘賷賱 丕賱丨氐賵賱 毓賱賶 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞貙 賱賰賳賴賲 鬲毓乇賻賾囟賵丕 賱賱賰孬賷乇 賲賳 丕賱兀丨丿丕孬 丕賱賲孬賷乇丞 賮賷 乇丨賱鬲賴賲. 賲丕匕丕 丨丿孬 賱賴賲責 賵賴賱 爻賷賳噩丨賵賳 賮賷 丕爻鬲毓丕丿丞 丕賱噩賽夭賻賾丞責 賴匕丕 賲丕 爻賳毓乇賮賴 賲賳 賯乇丕亍丞 賴匕賴 丕賱賲賻賱丨賲丞 丕賱廿睾乇賷賯賷丞 丕賱爻丕丨乇丞.
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Apollonius of Rhodes
94听books112听followersApollonius of Rhodes (Ancient Greek: 峒埾€慰位位蠋谓喂慰蟼 峥屛次刮肯� Apoll峁搉ios Rh贸dios; Latin: Apollonius Rhodius; fl. first half of 3rd century BCE), is best known as the author of the Argonautica, an epic poem about Jason and the Argonauts and their quest for the Golden Fleece. The poem is one of the few extant examples of the epic genre and it was both innovative and influential, providing Ptolemaic Egypt with a "cultural mnemonic" or national "archive of images",[1] and offering the Latin poets Virgil and Gaius Valerius Flaccus a model for their own epics. His other poems, which survive only in small fragments, concerned the beginnings or foundations of cities, such as Alexandria and Cnidus 鈥� places of interest to the Ptolemies, whom he served as a scholar and librarian at the Library of Alexandria. A literary dispute with Callimachus, another Alexandrian librarian/poet, is a topic much discussed by modern scholars since it is thought to give some insight into their poetry, although there is very little evidence that there ever was such a dispute between the two men. In fact almost nothing at all is known about Apollonius and even his connection with Rhodes is a matter for speculation.[2] Once considered a mere imitator of Homer, and therefore a failure as a poet, his reputation has been enhanced by recent studies, with an emphasis on the special characteristics of Hellenistic poets as scholarly heirs of a long literary tradition writing at a unique time in history.
Alternate spelling:
Spanish: Apolonio de Rodas
Alternate spelling:
Spanish: Apolonio de Rodas
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April 24, 2019
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It's like Home Alone, but with Heracles instead of Macaulay Culkin, and an entirely different plot, setting, concept and theme.
It's like Home Alone, but with Heracles instead of Macaulay Culkin, and an entirely different plot, setting, concept and theme.
November 12, 2022
Let鈥檚 be honest with ourselves here. Apollonius of Rhodes is no Homer. Hell, he鈥檚 even miles away from being a Virgil. This 4 book rendition of Jason and the Argonauts is probably the strangest epic poem you will ever encounter. How Apollonius depicts his heroes is astonishing and complex on many levels. For one thing, Jason is the most 鈥榓verage Joe鈥� hero you will ever meet. The entire trip over to Colchis (for the golden fleece) he鈥檚 thinking about how he鈥檚 gonna make it back to Greece. This is some real gloomy stuff. He鈥檚 crying all the time and in general is consumed by a thick nervousness throughout the trip. Even when it鈥檚 all smooth sailing (literally), Jason鈥檚 anxiety reveals how much he just wants the trip to just be over with. Take this line for example:
鈥� 鈥橳iphys,鈥� he said, 鈥榳hy do you try to comfort me in my distress? I was blind and made a fatal error. When Pelias ordered me to undertake this mission, I ought to have refused outright, even though he would have torn me limb from limb without compunction. But as things are, I am obsessed by fears and intolerable anxiety, hating the thought of the cruel sea鈥︹€� 鈥�.
I mean..... Jesus Christ man. Often times even the other Argonauts are tired of Jason鈥檚 seemingly perpetual anxiousness and irresolution. To put it simply, Jason is not really the Classical mythological leader that the situation desperately needs him to be. To prove this point we need just turn to the beginning of the Argonauts voyage. I鈥檓 talking about the part where the general group consensus is that electing 鈥淗eracles鈥� (Hercules) as the head of the voyage is an obvious choice, despite the fact it was divinely destined for Jason. You know you鈥檙e not cut out for the role of great hero when the others around you think there鈥檚 a better choice (even if he declines).
Jason鈥檚 flimsy courageous traits doesn鈥檛 mean the rest of his company is any better. The way Apollonius writes about the various Argonaut 鈥榩it stop鈥� activities makes it seem like anyone could have been one. In Book 2 when they come face-to-face with the colliding Cyanean rocks they get caught in such a cold grip of panic they鈥檙e practically shitting themselves from fright. Keep in mind, this is after consulting a seer named Phineus who has already mapped out the entire outcome of their trip step by step. The only one who seems to have any real nerve is Heracles, the problem is he鈥檚 abandoned early on because his partner (sexual?) gets abducted by nymphs, a loss the miserable Argonauts as per usual consider a devastating tragedy for themselves. (Waterhouse has a nice representation of 鈥楬ylas and the Nymphs鈥�. Except it was night when he was taken, and there was exact one nymph not seven)
This whole situation is especially disappointing to me considering the Argonaut lineup is absolutely stacked (鈥榤ythologically鈥� speaking). Practically everyone is the son of some god or another. I mean we鈥檙e talking about the likes of: 鈥淗eracles鈥�, 鈥淐astor鈥�, 鈥淥rpheus鈥�, 鈥淧eleus鈥� (Achilles鈥� father), 鈥淭elamon鈥� (Ajax鈥檚 father), etc. Apollonius had so many great figures to work with and basically threw any representational opportunities in the toilet. No one other than Jason and maybe Medea has any real depth to them; they鈥檙e all cardboard side characters (and this has been well documented in academic journals). This roster should be un-dauntingly shredding the terrifying ocean waves and prying the golden fleece from Aeetes鈥� bloody fists, not shivering and moping every time they spot a new obstacle in their path. Some critics have defined Jason鈥檚 unheroic personality in being in accordance with the 鈥榬ealism鈥� genre instead of the epic. Is Apollonius making fun of the old Greek model of manly virtue by depicting his characters in this way? Possibly, but in my opinion Jason鈥檚 鈥楨veryman鈥� personality seems more likely to be a rendering of a more contemporary (3rd cen, BC) world view and less a subversion of the old epic framework.
Either way, the real reason everyone reads the Argonautica is basically for Book 3: and this consideration is largely justified. This is of course where the romantic interlude between Jason and the famous witch Medea develops, along with the long awaited landing at Colchis where the golden fleece is located. To save yourself an incredibly pedantic account of hundreds of inconsequential mythological tidbits you may as well read a quick synopsis of the first two books and just skip to this one for the meaty substance. This isn鈥檛 to say that Book 1 & 2 don鈥檛 have some captivating episodes, it鈥檚 just that the majority of the text consists of: rowing, rowing, rowing, rowing, 鈥榣et鈥檚 stop to sacrifice and sleep鈥�, rowing, rowing, rowing. The list of geographical areas and biographical info on very obscure figures in Greek history just drones on, and if you aren鈥檛 a fan of these types of epic devices it鈥檚 easy to get agitated with the author. One of my favourite episodes actually comes from Book 2 when they land on an unidentified port that belongs to a king (鈥淎mycus鈥�) who is an absolute boxing fiend.
鈥溾€楲isten, sailormen, to something you should know. No foreigner calling here is allowed to continue his journey without putting up his fists to mine. So pick out your best man and match me on the spot. Otherwise you will find to you sorrow that if you defy my laws you will be brought by main force to obey them.鈥� 鈥�
Even the Argonauts can鈥檛 handle someone this blatantly disobeying the laws of hospitality, and Polydeuces exchanges haymakers with the king until the sun sets. In general, I'm confused as to why the great seer 鈥淧hineus鈥�, a man who is supposed to be blessed with all knowledge of the past and future, is so worried about his own fate. I mean, couldn鈥檛 he just predict that Jason and the rest would come save him from his divine curse? Why is he so worried? Furthermore, it鈥檚 mentioned extremely briefly that two members of Jason鈥檚 entourage (Zetes and Calais) can literally fly. I don鈥檛 know if this was common knowledge in the classical world but their flight came so suddenly that I had to reread the passages to make sure my brain wasn't finally resting in peace. Why can鈥檛 they just fly to Colchis and grab the fleece? Why are they sailing in the first place? This would save everyone a tremendous amount of trouble.
If you like the Homeric epics and Greek mythology in general I would give this one a whirl, just note that Apollonius of Rhodes may write in ways that would greatly surprise you. I just wish we had earlier versions of the tale so we could compare it this one.
鈥� 鈥橳iphys,鈥� he said, 鈥榳hy do you try to comfort me in my distress? I was blind and made a fatal error. When Pelias ordered me to undertake this mission, I ought to have refused outright, even though he would have torn me limb from limb without compunction. But as things are, I am obsessed by fears and intolerable anxiety, hating the thought of the cruel sea鈥︹€� 鈥�.
I mean..... Jesus Christ man. Often times even the other Argonauts are tired of Jason鈥檚 seemingly perpetual anxiousness and irresolution. To put it simply, Jason is not really the Classical mythological leader that the situation desperately needs him to be. To prove this point we need just turn to the beginning of the Argonauts voyage. I鈥檓 talking about the part where the general group consensus is that electing 鈥淗eracles鈥� (Hercules) as the head of the voyage is an obvious choice, despite the fact it was divinely destined for Jason. You know you鈥檙e not cut out for the role of great hero when the others around you think there鈥檚 a better choice (even if he declines).
Jason鈥檚 flimsy courageous traits doesn鈥檛 mean the rest of his company is any better. The way Apollonius writes about the various Argonaut 鈥榩it stop鈥� activities makes it seem like anyone could have been one. In Book 2 when they come face-to-face with the colliding Cyanean rocks they get caught in such a cold grip of panic they鈥檙e practically shitting themselves from fright. Keep in mind, this is after consulting a seer named Phineus who has already mapped out the entire outcome of their trip step by step. The only one who seems to have any real nerve is Heracles, the problem is he鈥檚 abandoned early on because his partner (sexual?) gets abducted by nymphs, a loss the miserable Argonauts as per usual consider a devastating tragedy for themselves. (Waterhouse has a nice representation of 鈥楬ylas and the Nymphs鈥�. Except it was night when he was taken, and there was exact one nymph not seven)
This whole situation is especially disappointing to me considering the Argonaut lineup is absolutely stacked (鈥榤ythologically鈥� speaking). Practically everyone is the son of some god or another. I mean we鈥檙e talking about the likes of: 鈥淗eracles鈥�, 鈥淐astor鈥�, 鈥淥rpheus鈥�, 鈥淧eleus鈥� (Achilles鈥� father), 鈥淭elamon鈥� (Ajax鈥檚 father), etc. Apollonius had so many great figures to work with and basically threw any representational opportunities in the toilet. No one other than Jason and maybe Medea has any real depth to them; they鈥檙e all cardboard side characters (and this has been well documented in academic journals). This roster should be un-dauntingly shredding the terrifying ocean waves and prying the golden fleece from Aeetes鈥� bloody fists, not shivering and moping every time they spot a new obstacle in their path. Some critics have defined Jason鈥檚 unheroic personality in being in accordance with the 鈥榬ealism鈥� genre instead of the epic. Is Apollonius making fun of the old Greek model of manly virtue by depicting his characters in this way? Possibly, but in my opinion Jason鈥檚 鈥楨veryman鈥� personality seems more likely to be a rendering of a more contemporary (3rd cen, BC) world view and less a subversion of the old epic framework.
Either way, the real reason everyone reads the Argonautica is basically for Book 3: and this consideration is largely justified. This is of course where the romantic interlude between Jason and the famous witch Medea develops, along with the long awaited landing at Colchis where the golden fleece is located. To save yourself an incredibly pedantic account of hundreds of inconsequential mythological tidbits you may as well read a quick synopsis of the first two books and just skip to this one for the meaty substance. This isn鈥檛 to say that Book 1 & 2 don鈥檛 have some captivating episodes, it鈥檚 just that the majority of the text consists of: rowing, rowing, rowing, rowing, 鈥榣et鈥檚 stop to sacrifice and sleep鈥�, rowing, rowing, rowing. The list of geographical areas and biographical info on very obscure figures in Greek history just drones on, and if you aren鈥檛 a fan of these types of epic devices it鈥檚 easy to get agitated with the author. One of my favourite episodes actually comes from Book 2 when they land on an unidentified port that belongs to a king (鈥淎mycus鈥�) who is an absolute boxing fiend.
鈥溾€楲isten, sailormen, to something you should know. No foreigner calling here is allowed to continue his journey without putting up his fists to mine. So pick out your best man and match me on the spot. Otherwise you will find to you sorrow that if you defy my laws you will be brought by main force to obey them.鈥� 鈥�
Even the Argonauts can鈥檛 handle someone this blatantly disobeying the laws of hospitality, and Polydeuces exchanges haymakers with the king until the sun sets. In general, I'm confused as to why the great seer 鈥淧hineus鈥�, a man who is supposed to be blessed with all knowledge of the past and future, is so worried about his own fate. I mean, couldn鈥檛 he just predict that Jason and the rest would come save him from his divine curse? Why is he so worried? Furthermore, it鈥檚 mentioned extremely briefly that two members of Jason鈥檚 entourage (Zetes and Calais) can literally fly. I don鈥檛 know if this was common knowledge in the classical world but their flight came so suddenly that I had to reread the passages to make sure my brain wasn't finally resting in peace. Why can鈥檛 they just fly to Colchis and grab the fleece? Why are they sailing in the first place? This would save everyone a tremendous amount of trouble.
If you like the Homeric epics and Greek mythology in general I would give this one a whirl, just note that Apollonius of Rhodes may write in ways that would greatly surprise you. I just wish we had earlier versions of the tale so we could compare it this one.
July 29, 2023
Aww, Media and Jason are sweet. I sure hope things work out for those crazy kids.
February 26, 2021
Poema epico che narra del viaggio compiuto da Giasone e gli Argonauti per la conquista del vello d'oro. Gli elementi tipici dell'epica vi sono tutti: il viaggio, l'esaltazione dei valori ritenuti assoluti per un'epoca e una comunit脿, la figura dell'eroe, l'amore quale mezzo per la realizzazione del Fato, ahim茅 anche il tristissimo tradimento compiuto dell'eroe verso la fanciulla che ha provveduto ad aiutarlo rinnegando patria e famiglia (vedi Teseo e Arianna e altri esempi analoghi). Lettura pi霉 scorrevole rispetto ad altre opere simili. Personaggi ovviamente stereotipati e fissi, in quanto veri e propri caratteri esprimenti virt霉 o vizi. Tutela del sistema valoriale dell'epoca praticamente totale.
November 3, 2015
A Mythological Pirate Raid
3 November 2015
Well, here I am sitting at home, on a public holiday, writing a review of a book that I have just finished. Well, maybe I should be out doing something else, but sometimes just sitting at home with a hot cup of tea is just as enjoyable. Anyway, apparently there is a horse race on today, a race that apparently stops a nation. So, while everybody else is gathering around food and joining in office pools to get the chance of maybe winning some money, I am going to continue to sit here, on the second year in a row when I don't have to participate in this national event (seriously, it's a horse race) and actually do something that I enjoy doing. In fact if I don't find out who wins that race (though the Guardian app on my phone will no doubt tell me) it is going to be some knowledge that is simply going to have very little effect upon my life.
Anyway, the first thing that I have to say about this version of the book that I read, particularly since I just read another review where the writer suggests that the American cover of a certain book is a lot worse than the original cover (I've noticed that with some books, particularly the Discworld novels 鈥� the Kirby covers are so much better than the American covers), is that I found the cover to be rather boring. Basically it is a stone carving of Jason. This cover is so much better:
Though I don't remember any scene in the book where the Argo actually flies.
Anyway, I'm sure we are all familiar with the story of Jason and the Argonauts, where Jason is commissioned by the king to sail to the Land of Colchis and steal this golden fleece, so Jason brings together a crew of heroes and makes the perilous journey. Upon arrival he is given some impossible tasks by the king, who then betrays him after Jason successfully completes them, so with the help of the king's daughter Medea they slay the dragon guarding the fleece and then both nick off back to Greece. In fact I remember watching this in Ancient History in High School based on this story. The one thing that I remember from the movie, other than the pretty cool special effects, was the army of skeletons that came out of the ground whom Jason then fought to the death. However, the one thing that disappointed me is that the movie ended with them sailing off into the sunset 鈥� there was no homeward journey.
Anyway, one of the things I like about these modern translations of ancient texts are the introductions because they give you a pretty good rundown of the context of the story. However I have to suggest that I found the introduction in this particular edition to be pretty dull. Okay, Rieu did tell us how back in his student days pretty much nobody liked the Argonautica (and my Classics history lecturer also made a similar observation) and the lecturers would use parts of it as confident in knowing that nobody would have read it. Mind you, if I was studying at Oxford back then, and caught on to this practice, one of the first books I would have read would have been the Argonautica (and I'm sure some of the students would have cottoned on to this as well).
One of the things we must be aware of though, when approaching these ancient stories, is that the characters simply do not exist in a vacuum. These stories aren't like our modern novels where the characters (generally) have no existence prior to the novel or afterwards, and everything we know about the character exists within the novel. Many of these ancient stories are based on well established mythology, so when an ancient would pick up and read one of these epics they would already have a pretty clear idea of the character that the epic is about. As such many of the authors were pretty restricted in how they would create their epics, and in many cases simply tweaked the characters, or explored certain aspects of their personality.
Okay, I would have to say that maybe I have been influenced by the attitudes of many of the scholars when it comes to this book because I would hardly say that it is one of my favourites. However, it is still a rollicking good adventure. In fact this story has everything 鈥� heroes, monsters, battles, betrayals, witches, and of course a treasure. What we must remember is that Jason and his crew are little more than pirates. Okay, he is given the task by a king (who in his mind considers this to be an impossible task, namely because he was warned in a dream to beware of the man with one sandal, and the man who happens to rock up at his gates with one sandal is none other than Jason himself 鈥� though why the king didn't just kill him is beyond me), but he is still simply travelling to another land with the explicit purpose of raiding it and carrying off its treasure.
The thing with the composition of the Argo is that, unlike the Odyssey, the crew are all heroes. Among the crew we encounter Castor and Pollux (or more precisely Polydeuces, though I prefer the name Pollux much better), the musician Orpheus, and of course Heracles. However Heracles does pose a bit of a problem because he is such a famous character that having him as a part of the crew creates the problem that, more likely than not, he is going to steal Jason's thunder. It's sort of like where you cast a minor actor in a leading role, and then have Patrick Stewart in the supporting cast 鈥� it generally doesn't work. However the myth deals with this by having the Argonauts accidentally leave Heracles behind near the beginning of the journey (though Apollonius does make a comment about this because it does seem to be a bit odd).
The story itself is very episodic, much more so than the Odyssey. On the journey up we have Jason and his crew go through various encounters, including getting waylaid by an island of Amazons who killed off all the men and then realised that they need men to procreate so decided that the Argonauts fit that role perfectly. We also have the story of the man who would sit down to eat only to have the harpies dive from the sky, steal all of his food, and then leave again. We have a similar structure on the return journey, though for a while the Argonauts are being chased by the Cholcians. However, once they hit the Mediterranean we suddenly find them taking a very similar route back to Greece that Homer did.
Rieu makes a bit of a comment about this, suggesting that despite the Greeks being very familiar with this region during Apollonius' time, to keep with the mythology of the setting, Apollonius purposely was not very accurate in his descriptions. I'm not really convinced that Apollonius did this on purpose, simply because he was writing about events back in the age of mythology that happened almost two generations prior to Odyssey's travels. Jason isn't following Odysseus, Jason is actually travelling the route prior to Odysseus. Also, what Jason would have encountered as he traversed this route would have been much different to what Apollonius would have seen.
What is interesting is that there are two routes that Jason could have taken, Apollonius's route, and the Orphic route (and considering Orpheus was a member of the crew he probably was much more knowledgeable with the route they took 鈥� though it's not as if we have Orpheus' account 鈥� the guy is a mythological figure). Anyway, this is the route Apollonius uses:
This is the route attributed to Orpheus (which also includes Apollonius' route):
It is interesting that the Orphic route has them come out in the Baltic Sea and then sail around the coast of Western Europe back to the Mediterranean (and no doubt the Greeks, by the time of Apollonius, had sailed out that far 鈥� Herodotus does make mention of somebody circumnavigating Africa). However, it looks as if Apollonius wanted to keep it simple, and by using a similar route to that of Odysseus his readers would have been quite familiar with the area.
3 November 2015
Well, here I am sitting at home, on a public holiday, writing a review of a book that I have just finished. Well, maybe I should be out doing something else, but sometimes just sitting at home with a hot cup of tea is just as enjoyable. Anyway, apparently there is a horse race on today, a race that apparently stops a nation. So, while everybody else is gathering around food and joining in office pools to get the chance of maybe winning some money, I am going to continue to sit here, on the second year in a row when I don't have to participate in this national event (seriously, it's a horse race) and actually do something that I enjoy doing. In fact if I don't find out who wins that race (though the Guardian app on my phone will no doubt tell me) it is going to be some knowledge that is simply going to have very little effect upon my life.
Anyway, the first thing that I have to say about this version of the book that I read, particularly since I just read another review where the writer suggests that the American cover of a certain book is a lot worse than the original cover (I've noticed that with some books, particularly the Discworld novels 鈥� the Kirby covers are so much better than the American covers), is that I found the cover to be rather boring. Basically it is a stone carving of Jason. This cover is so much better:
Though I don't remember any scene in the book where the Argo actually flies.
Anyway, I'm sure we are all familiar with the story of Jason and the Argonauts, where Jason is commissioned by the king to sail to the Land of Colchis and steal this golden fleece, so Jason brings together a crew of heroes and makes the perilous journey. Upon arrival he is given some impossible tasks by the king, who then betrays him after Jason successfully completes them, so with the help of the king's daughter Medea they slay the dragon guarding the fleece and then both nick off back to Greece. In fact I remember watching this in Ancient History in High School based on this story. The one thing that I remember from the movie, other than the pretty cool special effects, was the army of skeletons that came out of the ground whom Jason then fought to the death. However, the one thing that disappointed me is that the movie ended with them sailing off into the sunset 鈥� there was no homeward journey.
Anyway, one of the things I like about these modern translations of ancient texts are the introductions because they give you a pretty good rundown of the context of the story. However I have to suggest that I found the introduction in this particular edition to be pretty dull. Okay, Rieu did tell us how back in his student days pretty much nobody liked the Argonautica (and my Classics history lecturer also made a similar observation) and the lecturers would use parts of it as confident in knowing that nobody would have read it. Mind you, if I was studying at Oxford back then, and caught on to this practice, one of the first books I would have read would have been the Argonautica (and I'm sure some of the students would have cottoned on to this as well).
One of the things we must be aware of though, when approaching these ancient stories, is that the characters simply do not exist in a vacuum. These stories aren't like our modern novels where the characters (generally) have no existence prior to the novel or afterwards, and everything we know about the character exists within the novel. Many of these ancient stories are based on well established mythology, so when an ancient would pick up and read one of these epics they would already have a pretty clear idea of the character that the epic is about. As such many of the authors were pretty restricted in how they would create their epics, and in many cases simply tweaked the characters, or explored certain aspects of their personality.
Okay, I would have to say that maybe I have been influenced by the attitudes of many of the scholars when it comes to this book because I would hardly say that it is one of my favourites. However, it is still a rollicking good adventure. In fact this story has everything 鈥� heroes, monsters, battles, betrayals, witches, and of course a treasure. What we must remember is that Jason and his crew are little more than pirates. Okay, he is given the task by a king (who in his mind considers this to be an impossible task, namely because he was warned in a dream to beware of the man with one sandal, and the man who happens to rock up at his gates with one sandal is none other than Jason himself 鈥� though why the king didn't just kill him is beyond me), but he is still simply travelling to another land with the explicit purpose of raiding it and carrying off its treasure.
The thing with the composition of the Argo is that, unlike the Odyssey, the crew are all heroes. Among the crew we encounter Castor and Pollux (or more precisely Polydeuces, though I prefer the name Pollux much better), the musician Orpheus, and of course Heracles. However Heracles does pose a bit of a problem because he is such a famous character that having him as a part of the crew creates the problem that, more likely than not, he is going to steal Jason's thunder. It's sort of like where you cast a minor actor in a leading role, and then have Patrick Stewart in the supporting cast 鈥� it generally doesn't work. However the myth deals with this by having the Argonauts accidentally leave Heracles behind near the beginning of the journey (though Apollonius does make a comment about this because it does seem to be a bit odd).
The story itself is very episodic, much more so than the Odyssey. On the journey up we have Jason and his crew go through various encounters, including getting waylaid by an island of Amazons who killed off all the men and then realised that they need men to procreate so decided that the Argonauts fit that role perfectly. We also have the story of the man who would sit down to eat only to have the harpies dive from the sky, steal all of his food, and then leave again. We have a similar structure on the return journey, though for a while the Argonauts are being chased by the Cholcians. However, once they hit the Mediterranean we suddenly find them taking a very similar route back to Greece that Homer did.
Rieu makes a bit of a comment about this, suggesting that despite the Greeks being very familiar with this region during Apollonius' time, to keep with the mythology of the setting, Apollonius purposely was not very accurate in his descriptions. I'm not really convinced that Apollonius did this on purpose, simply because he was writing about events back in the age of mythology that happened almost two generations prior to Odyssey's travels. Jason isn't following Odysseus, Jason is actually travelling the route prior to Odysseus. Also, what Jason would have encountered as he traversed this route would have been much different to what Apollonius would have seen.
What is interesting is that there are two routes that Jason could have taken, Apollonius's route, and the Orphic route (and considering Orpheus was a member of the crew he probably was much more knowledgeable with the route they took 鈥� though it's not as if we have Orpheus' account 鈥� the guy is a mythological figure). Anyway, this is the route Apollonius uses:
This is the route attributed to Orpheus (which also includes Apollonius' route):
It is interesting that the Orphic route has them come out in the Baltic Sea and then sail around the coast of Western Europe back to the Mediterranean (and no doubt the Greeks, by the time of Apollonius, had sailed out that far 鈥� Herodotus does make mention of somebody circumnavigating Africa). However, it looks as if Apollonius wanted to keep it simple, and by using a similar route to that of Odysseus his readers would have been quite familiar with the area.
January 13, 2023
This is a great Greek mythological story of Jason who sets sail with sailers on the argo-ship to find the illusive golden fleece. His trip is raught with hair raising adventures.
I highly recommend this book.
I highly recommend this book.
September 4, 2022
This was fun. A really stunning translation.
I enjoy how the tale is at once blatant - no interiority here - but also quite subtle. The boys are described as 鈥榟eroes鈥� but this seems more of a professional category rather than a moral ideal - especially when they are behaving like a pack of lawless pirates on a pretty rackety mission. Apollonius takes Jason down a peg or two: at the start, the Argonauts enthusiastically and unanimously vote for Heracles as leader, but Heracles diplomatically defers to Jason as it鈥檚 his quest. The story stops before the full Medea tragedy, but Apollonius signposts future events clearly. The desperate Jason rashly over-promises to the love-struck Medea, and foolishly underestimates her volatile emotional responses.
Otherwise, the boys are super keen on witnessing Medea鈥檚 skilful magic (which it has to be said usually involves murder). Interesting how black witchcraft rituals have remained remarkably stable since ancient times - what鈥檚 missing is the Christian moral overlay. The attitude seems to be 鈥榯his stuff will work for you if you鈥檙e willing to pay the costs and run the risks. Don鈥檛 look back.鈥� The whole mission is of course entirely dependant on Medea鈥檚 strategies, both in winning the Golden Fleece and getting home. The boys are pretty much useless and will flop about dying at the earliest opportunity unless they get supernatural assistance. I don鈥檛 blame Heracles for bailing out.
I enjoy how the tale is at once blatant - no interiority here - but also quite subtle. The boys are described as 鈥榟eroes鈥� but this seems more of a professional category rather than a moral ideal - especially when they are behaving like a pack of lawless pirates on a pretty rackety mission. Apollonius takes Jason down a peg or two: at the start, the Argonauts enthusiastically and unanimously vote for Heracles as leader, but Heracles diplomatically defers to Jason as it鈥檚 his quest. The story stops before the full Medea tragedy, but Apollonius signposts future events clearly. The desperate Jason rashly over-promises to the love-struck Medea, and foolishly underestimates her volatile emotional responses.
Otherwise, the boys are super keen on witnessing Medea鈥檚 skilful magic (which it has to be said usually involves murder). Interesting how black witchcraft rituals have remained remarkably stable since ancient times - what鈥檚 missing is the Christian moral overlay. The attitude seems to be 鈥榯his stuff will work for you if you鈥檙e willing to pay the costs and run the risks. Don鈥檛 look back.鈥� The whole mission is of course entirely dependant on Medea鈥檚 strategies, both in winning the Golden Fleece and getting home. The boys are pretty much useless and will flop about dying at the earliest opportunity unless they get supernatural assistance. I don鈥檛 blame Heracles for bailing out.
November 3, 2023
{3.5 stars, 4 for content and 3 for entertainment}
The first two books are a catalogue of adventures, these are more interesting for the myths than its drama. It鈥檚 in the last two books, where Jason meets Medea, that the story goes to full throttle with Medea鈥檚 speeches.
I borrowed this translation by Peter Green 3 times from Libby in the last 18 months. It was on this fifth listening that I could finally say I got it. The first two times were daunting with its list of heroes. This threw me back to when I was first trying to read The Iliad. Like the Iliad, the list here is also a who is who and what they鈥檝e done, but the names of Hercules, Orpheus and Atlanta kept me connected to the story.
A lot happens in the first two books, each time I listened to it it did get easier to follow. Reading , also helped. The plot is fairly similar and acted as crib notes.
The last two books is Medea and Jason, these were a lot easier to follow and my favourite of the four (they were also worth revisiting the five times).
I feel pleased that I can now say I have read this. This feels good as I鈥檝e been wanting to read this for a very, very long time. For me, the most fascinating part is discovering
Reading this opens up so many (interesting and exciting) questions for me, of which the answers I hope will emerge as I keep reading.
The first two books are a catalogue of adventures, these are more interesting for the myths than its drama. It鈥檚 in the last two books, where Jason meets Medea, that the story goes to full throttle with Medea鈥檚 speeches.
I borrowed this translation by Peter Green 3 times from Libby in the last 18 months. It was on this fifth listening that I could finally say I got it. The first two times were daunting with its list of heroes. This threw me back to when I was first trying to read The Iliad. Like the Iliad, the list here is also a who is who and what they鈥檝e done, but the names of Hercules, Orpheus and Atlanta kept me connected to the story.
A lot happens in the first two books, each time I listened to it it did get easier to follow. Reading , also helped. The plot is fairly similar and acted as crib notes.
The last two books is Medea and Jason, these were a lot easier to follow and my favourite of the four (they were also worth revisiting the five times).
I feel pleased that I can now say I have read this. This feels good as I鈥檝e been wanting to read this for a very, very long time. For me, the most fascinating part is discovering
Reading this opens up so many (interesting and exciting) questions for me, of which the answers I hope will emerge as I keep reading.
March 12, 2019
Las argon谩uticas una de mis obras favoritas de los 肠濒谩蝉颈肠辞蝉 griegos, quiz谩s mucha parte de ello tiene que ver con la gran informaci贸n que aporta sobre la leyenda del gran Jas贸n que considero muchas veces relegado de los mitos por otros h茅roes.
Jas贸n es uno de los pocos h茅roes en no tener origen divino y a煤n as铆 destaca sobre los dem谩s sobre todo por su nobleza y capacidad de diplomacia que es lo que resalta en el libro.
Es dif铆cil pensar a veces que este relato muchas veces postergado (es m谩s Apolonio de Rodas es un autor muy tard铆o, casi con Grecia en decadencia) fue a su vez inspiraci贸n de las leyendas m谩s famosas como la Odisea o la Iliada, pues el mito de Jas贸n ya era muy conocido en ese entonces.
Qu茅 decir de los dem谩s h茅roes que acompa帽an a Jas贸n en tremenda empresa, tales como el mism铆simo H茅rcules. La relaci贸n de Jas贸n con Medea es cosa aparte y se teje una novela dentro del mismo libro.
En resumen una historia fascinante digna de ser narrada que Apolonio de Rodas considero maneja muy bien.
Jas贸n es uno de los pocos h茅roes en no tener origen divino y a煤n as铆 destaca sobre los dem谩s sobre todo por su nobleza y capacidad de diplomacia que es lo que resalta en el libro.
Es dif铆cil pensar a veces que este relato muchas veces postergado (es m谩s Apolonio de Rodas es un autor muy tard铆o, casi con Grecia en decadencia) fue a su vez inspiraci贸n de las leyendas m谩s famosas como la Odisea o la Iliada, pues el mito de Jas贸n ya era muy conocido en ese entonces.
Qu茅 decir de los dem谩s h茅roes que acompa帽an a Jas贸n en tremenda empresa, tales como el mism铆simo H茅rcules. La relaci贸n de Jas贸n con Medea es cosa aparte y se teje una novela dentro del mismo libro.
En resumen una historia fascinante digna de ser narrada que Apolonio de Rodas considero maneja muy bien.
July 17, 2021
No other version of this will suffice. Not only is the translation simply extraordinary, but the wealth of supplementary material and commentary takes up almost double the space of the text itself, meaning there is more than enough for the amateur. My first reading of this in a prose translation many years ago left me completely cold, this version enthralled, inspired and entertained. Highly recommended.
December 21, 2018
Jason ve Alt谋n Post efsanesini destans谋 艧iir diliyle kaleme alan "Argonautika", Homeros鈥檜n izin gitmesine ra臒men dize say谋s谋n谋n azl谋臒谋yla daha 莽ok Aristoteles鈥檌n "Poetica"da tan谋mlad谋臒谋 sanat tan谋m谋na uyan bir eser. Olay 枚rg眉s眉n眉n olduk莽a s眉r眉kleyici bir 艧ekilde kurguland谋臒谋 hikaye "陌濒测补诲补"dan ve "Medea"dan 枚nce ge莽iyor. Hak etti臒i taht谋 alabilmek i莽in Alt谋n Post鈥檜 Kolhis鈥檛en 莽almakla g枚revlendirilen Jason鈥櫮眓 Achilles鈥檌n babas谋 Peleus, Herakles ve Orpheus鈥檜n bulundu臒u bir ekiple 莽谋kt谋臒谋 yolculukta ayn谋 "Odysseus" gibi birbirinden s眉r眉kleyici ser眉venlere tan谋kl谋k ediyoruz. Hikayenin k谋r谋lma noktas谋 ise Jason ile Kolhis kral谋 Aetes鈥檌n k谋z谋 Medea aras谋nda ba艧layan a艧k. Jason鈥檃 olan a艧k谋 sebebiyle Aetes鈥檌n verdi臒i imkans谋z g枚revi ge莽mesine yard谋m eden Medea鈥檔谋n a艧k谋 u臒runa babas谋na ihanet etmesi ve Argo gemisiyle Jason鈥櫮眓 memleketine d枚nmesi ger莽ekten etkileyici. Buna ek olarak, ikilinin aras谋nda ya艧anan diyaloglar sayesinde Euripides ve Seneca鈥檔谋n "Medea" eserindeki olaylar daha 莽ok anlam kazan谋yor. Sonu莽 olarak, Homeros ve Vergilius鈥檜n destans谋 艧iirlerinin 莽arp谋c谋l谋臒谋n谋 ta艧谋yamasa da sanat tarihine y枚n veren bir destan olan "Argonautika", her edebiyat谋n severin g枚z atmas谋n谋 d眉艧眉nd眉臒眉m olduk莽a de臒erli bir eser.
陌stanbul, T眉rkiye
16.12.2018
Alp Turgut
陌stanbul, T眉rkiye
16.12.2018
Alp Turgut
April 4, 2019
The Argonautica (A.K.A. Jason & the Argonauts or Jason & the Golden Fleece) is a Greek epic that is far superior to the Illiad or the Odyssey. Instead of individual glory, the Argonautica is about the importance of bonds between loved ones and keeping one's word. Although the story starts with a painfully lengthy discussion of each crew member, their lineages, and their glorious past deeds, the purpose of that become immediately clear - each crew member is equally important.
- Hercules/Heracles (Yes, that Hercules.) is the most famous crew member and is universally voted as captain. He turns down the honor and encourages the crew to support Jason as the captain, because Jason did the hard work of bringing them all together for the voyage. Jason is touched. Throughout the epic, Jason demonstrates great leadership skills and motivates his crew every step of the way. He's also complimentary, humble, and brave.
Hercules is included in the story to make a point. While Hercules, Achilles, and Odysseus are supernatural warriors and paragons of then traditional masculinity, Jason is a softer soul. He has a need for human connection and dreams of romantic love.
- The epic isn't the Jasonautica, but instead is named after the ship, the Argo. Everyone on the ship-the Argonauts-are heroes. Moreover, the ship is named after Prince Argus, the crew member who built the ship (not named after Jason or Hercules).
- The Argonauts each have their little adventures along the way, although Jason, naturally, has the larger story arch. (Hercules's divine labors are not part of this epic.) They each have their time to shine and help each other succeed without jealousy or bitterness. They also learn all kinds of life lessons together as a group, especially the nature of Fate, prophecies, omens, and the gods. Compared to the Illiad and Odyssey, the gods in the Argonautica are considerably less involved in mortal affairs. Much of the decision-making and responsibility are left up to the humans.
- The epic is best known for the epic romance between Prince Jason and Princess Medea. Jason falls for her hard and fast. His vows to Medea are just as important as his vows to his crew, if not more important. Eros/Cupid nudges Medea in Jason's direction, but Medea seems to have a lot of choice in the matter, because she thinks long and hard about her choice between her family and homeland or Jason. It doesn't hurt that Jason is exceedingly handsome and charming. Medea, powerful and complex woman that she is, helps Jason on his quest. Jason delegates tasks based on his crew members' individual skills; and Medea, who is a priestess, helps the Argonauts with her adept witchcraft and by having the favor of various goddesses. There is a nice balance of masculine power and male gods with feminine power and goddesses.
- Hercules/Heracles (Yes, that Hercules.) is the most famous crew member and is universally voted as captain. He turns down the honor and encourages the crew to support Jason as the captain, because Jason did the hard work of bringing them all together for the voyage. Jason is touched. Throughout the epic, Jason demonstrates great leadership skills and motivates his crew every step of the way. He's also complimentary, humble, and brave.
Hercules is included in the story to make a point. While Hercules, Achilles, and Odysseus are supernatural warriors and paragons of then traditional masculinity, Jason is a softer soul. He has a need for human connection and dreams of romantic love.
- The epic isn't the Jasonautica, but instead is named after the ship, the Argo. Everyone on the ship-the Argonauts-are heroes. Moreover, the ship is named after Prince Argus, the crew member who built the ship (not named after Jason or Hercules).
- The Argonauts each have their little adventures along the way, although Jason, naturally, has the larger story arch. (Hercules's divine labors are not part of this epic.) They each have their time to shine and help each other succeed without jealousy or bitterness. They also learn all kinds of life lessons together as a group, especially the nature of Fate, prophecies, omens, and the gods. Compared to the Illiad and Odyssey, the gods in the Argonautica are considerably less involved in mortal affairs. Much of the decision-making and responsibility are left up to the humans.
- The epic is best known for the epic romance between Prince Jason and Princess Medea. Jason falls for her hard and fast. His vows to Medea are just as important as his vows to his crew, if not more important. Eros/Cupid nudges Medea in Jason's direction, but Medea seems to have a lot of choice in the matter, because she thinks long and hard about her choice between her family and homeland or Jason. It doesn't hurt that Jason is exceedingly handsome and charming. Medea, powerful and complex woman that she is, helps Jason on his quest. Jason delegates tasks based on his crew members' individual skills; and Medea, who is a priestess, helps the Argonauts with her adept witchcraft and by having the favor of various goddesses. There is a nice balance of masculine power and male gods with feminine power and goddesses.
November 15, 2019
Si bien entretiene al tratarse de aventuras mar铆timas adem谩s de mezclar dioses con humanos est谩 lejos de la calidad de La 滨濒铆补诲补 o La Odisea, sin embargo los lectores que apreciaron estas obras sin duda gustar谩n tambi茅n de los argonautas.
May 3, 2019
Like an ancient Greek Avengers. A bunch of mythological superheroes go on a quest, fight some enemies, and have dealings with the gods.
June 26, 2019
*Rated 3.5/5 stars
April 22, 2009
Here is an adventure tale that continues to impress itself upon our lives. Though little is known about the author, the story is one of iconic legend accompanied by many a commentary on Hellenic origin myths. The writing is often quite lyrical, and many situations are dealt with in a humorous combination of overstatement and wry remark.
What impressed me the most as I read this book was the author's keen eye for human nature and the dramatic moment. This story is in many ways still as lively and entertaining as when it was written. Part of the success of this work is that Apollonius portrays Jason not as an epic hero but as an ordinary man. This distinction becomes quite clear when Jason is faced by task he must complete to win the Golden Fleece. Ultimately love wins the day, which becomes one of the genuine surprises of this book. The narrative very skillfully changes from a tale of violent conquest into a highly-symbolic romance.
Further, this story is in a way the antipodes of Homer's Odyssey in that Odysseus is fighting to find his way home to his wife while Jason is fighting to find the woman he is destined to marry. In the end, The Voyage of Argo has a great deal to say about the fickleness of love. The passages on Medea's romance still strike the right chords. There are moments that are downright heartbreaking, and one is left wondering at how little people have changed in all these many years.
What impressed me the most as I read this book was the author's keen eye for human nature and the dramatic moment. This story is in many ways still as lively and entertaining as when it was written. Part of the success of this work is that Apollonius portrays Jason not as an epic hero but as an ordinary man. This distinction becomes quite clear when Jason is faced by task he must complete to win the Golden Fleece. Ultimately love wins the day, which becomes one of the genuine surprises of this book. The narrative very skillfully changes from a tale of violent conquest into a highly-symbolic romance.
Further, this story is in a way the antipodes of Homer's Odyssey in that Odysseus is fighting to find his way home to his wife while Jason is fighting to find the woman he is destined to marry. In the end, The Voyage of Argo has a great deal to say about the fickleness of love. The passages on Medea's romance still strike the right chords. There are moments that are downright heartbreaking, and one is left wondering at how little people have changed in all these many years.
April 11, 2024
芦Zaten biz ac谋 莽eken 枚l眉ml眉ler ayaklar谋m谋z谋 mutlulu臒un 眉zerine hi莽 tamamen basamad谋k.禄
Okumas谋 莽ok keyifliydi. Ger莽ek bir mitolojik ser眉ven. 陌lyada ve Odesa i莽in i艧tah kabartt谋. 陌leride mutlaka bir kez daha okurum.
Okumas谋 莽ok keyifliydi. Ger莽ek bir mitolojik ser眉ven. 陌lyada ve Odesa i莽in i艧tah kabartt谋. 陌leride mutlaka bir kez daha okurum.
September 7, 2022
Se potessi gli darei 15 stelle.
Ero tentata di non scrivere una recensione. Ho pensato che tanto non la legge nessuno, che gli stranieri che danno due stelline a questo libro non se la meritano, e altri pensieri vari. Alla fine ho deciso di farlo per la me di 13 anni che ha letto questo poema e non ricorda nulla della lettura e per la me di 17 che lo ha riletto innamorata di Medea.
Questo poema epico 猫 un capolavoro. Che lo leggiate per studio o per interesse personale non potete non rimanere stupiti dalle capacit脿 espressive di Apollonio. Ma andiamo per ordine.
1) Non 猫 Omero, va bene, ma certo che non 猫 Omero. Apollonio vive molti secoli dopo Omero, il mondo greco 猫 drasticamente cambiato, gli uomini non sono pi霉 liberi cittadini ma sudditi. La visione di Omero 猫 epica nel senso proprio del termine, ottimista, crede nelle capacit脿 dell'uomo. Apollonio 猫 pessimista, il mondo 猫 un luogo in cui gli esseri umani vagano senza meta. Il rinnovamento interno che Apollonio fa all'epica 猫 strabiliante, perch茅 prende l'epica e la svuota e la rende altro.
2) Lo stile di Apollonio 猫 l'unione di epica, lirica e tragedia. Le similitudini sono davvero amalgamate alla storia, a differenza di quelle omeriche che non sono di cos矛 ampio respiro. Ma poi utilizza tecniche moderne come quella dello scorcio (perch茅 la formularit脿 non 猫 pi霉 necessaria e quindi si possono saltare alcune scene ritenute inutili) e del discorso indiretto legato.
3) L'analisi dei sentimenti dei personaggi 猫 cos矛 moderna da far paura. Per la prima volta nell'epica viene dato uno spazio cos矛 ampio all'amore e, come ha detto qualcuno di pi霉 esperto di me, 猫 la prima volta che l'amore viene visto come una parabola che ha un prima e un dopo. Vi sfido davvero a leggere le Argonautiche e a non riconoscere il vostro primo amore nell'amore passionale di Medea per Giasone. L'amore di una ragazzina, giovane e ingenua, che divampa e brucia tutto quello che c'猫 attorno. E Medea stessa da ragazzina diventa donna adulta attraverso tradimenti e spargimenti di sangue fino a "crearsi un cuore malvagio".
4) Per quanto l'Odissea sia il primo viaggio dell'eroe formale (molto pi霉 dell'Iliade), a me sembra che le Argonautiche siano ancora pi霉 moderne da questo punto di vista. Un po' perch茅 Giasone 猫 un eroe riluttante, che non ha voglia di portare a termine la sua missione, un po' perch茅 c'猫 l'arco di Medea che si inscrive perfettamente nel viaggio dell'Eroina. Se il passaggio nel Bosforo non 猫 un varco della soglia, cos'altro lo 猫?
Mi fermo qui, perch茅 non mi basterebbe un saggio per dire tutto quello che penso di questo poema e in particolare del personaggio di Medea, dei suoi tre monologhi e del suo arco di trasformazione. Vi invito di caldamente a leggere le Argonautiche perch茅 vi stupiranno (e non date retta alle recensioni degli stranieri che "boh non mi 猫 piaciuto perch茅 Giasone 猫 noioso").
Ero tentata di non scrivere una recensione. Ho pensato che tanto non la legge nessuno, che gli stranieri che danno due stelline a questo libro non se la meritano, e altri pensieri vari. Alla fine ho deciso di farlo per la me di 13 anni che ha letto questo poema e non ricorda nulla della lettura e per la me di 17 che lo ha riletto innamorata di Medea.
Questo poema epico 猫 un capolavoro. Che lo leggiate per studio o per interesse personale non potete non rimanere stupiti dalle capacit脿 espressive di Apollonio. Ma andiamo per ordine.
1) Non 猫 Omero, va bene, ma certo che non 猫 Omero. Apollonio vive molti secoli dopo Omero, il mondo greco 猫 drasticamente cambiato, gli uomini non sono pi霉 liberi cittadini ma sudditi. La visione di Omero 猫 epica nel senso proprio del termine, ottimista, crede nelle capacit脿 dell'uomo. Apollonio 猫 pessimista, il mondo 猫 un luogo in cui gli esseri umani vagano senza meta. Il rinnovamento interno che Apollonio fa all'epica 猫 strabiliante, perch茅 prende l'epica e la svuota e la rende altro.
2) Lo stile di Apollonio 猫 l'unione di epica, lirica e tragedia. Le similitudini sono davvero amalgamate alla storia, a differenza di quelle omeriche che non sono di cos矛 ampio respiro. Ma poi utilizza tecniche moderne come quella dello scorcio (perch茅 la formularit脿 non 猫 pi霉 necessaria e quindi si possono saltare alcune scene ritenute inutili) e del discorso indiretto legato.
3) L'analisi dei sentimenti dei personaggi 猫 cos矛 moderna da far paura. Per la prima volta nell'epica viene dato uno spazio cos矛 ampio all'amore e, come ha detto qualcuno di pi霉 esperto di me, 猫 la prima volta che l'amore viene visto come una parabola che ha un prima e un dopo. Vi sfido davvero a leggere le Argonautiche e a non riconoscere il vostro primo amore nell'amore passionale di Medea per Giasone. L'amore di una ragazzina, giovane e ingenua, che divampa e brucia tutto quello che c'猫 attorno. E Medea stessa da ragazzina diventa donna adulta attraverso tradimenti e spargimenti di sangue fino a "crearsi un cuore malvagio".
4) Per quanto l'Odissea sia il primo viaggio dell'eroe formale (molto pi霉 dell'Iliade), a me sembra che le Argonautiche siano ancora pi霉 moderne da questo punto di vista. Un po' perch茅 Giasone 猫 un eroe riluttante, che non ha voglia di portare a termine la sua missione, un po' perch茅 c'猫 l'arco di Medea che si inscrive perfettamente nel viaggio dell'Eroina. Se il passaggio nel Bosforo non 猫 un varco della soglia, cos'altro lo 猫?
Mi fermo qui, perch茅 non mi basterebbe un saggio per dire tutto quello che penso di questo poema e in particolare del personaggio di Medea, dei suoi tre monologhi e del suo arco di trasformazione. Vi invito di caldamente a leggere le Argonautiche perch茅 vi stupiranno (e non date retta alle recensioni degli stranieri che "boh non mi 猫 piaciuto perch茅 Giasone 猫 noioso").
August 14, 2022
鈥淛ason and the Argonauts,鈥� for me, was a movie long before it was a book. As a child, I revelled in the special-effects wizardry through which Ray Harryhausen, in his film Jason and the Argonauts (1963), brought to life a vivid array of mythical monsters 鈥� harpies, a bronze giant, an army of skeletons, a many-headed dragon 鈥� as antagonists for Jason of Thessaly and his crew of adventurers on board the ship Argo. As I grew older, I came to appreciate the nuanced take on classical Greek mythology that the film offered, as embodied by the way the film presents the Argonauts鈥� adventures as part of a cosmic board game being played by the Olympian gods Zeus and Hera. And I could more clearly understand the ways in which Harryhausen鈥檚 film drew upon, and in some ways modified, its source material: an epic poem written in the 3rd century B.C. by Apollonius of Rhodes. The poem鈥檚 formal title is Argonautica (峒埾佄澄课轿毕呄勎刮何�), though I think the good people at Penguin Books did well to apply the well-loved Jason and the Argonauts title to this 2014 translation of the poem.
Not much is known about Apollonius of Rhodes, except that he worked at the Library of Alexandria during the era of the Ptolemies. His work is associated with the Hellenistic period, the time after the death of Alexander the Great in 323 B.C. Alexander鈥檚 conquests brought Greek culture and various Eastern cultures together, and an intriguing cultural mix resulted. It is interesting to contemplate how the Argonautica (literally, The Tale of the Argonauts) might incorporate storytelling traditions from other major cultures of the time 鈥� Persia or India, for example 鈥� along with those of classical Greece.
As Jason and the Argonauts begins, Pelias of Thessaly has consolidated power in his kingdom, in part by imprisoning any potential rivals 鈥� including Aeson, father of Jason. Yet Pelias does not feel secure in the crown he wears: 鈥淧elias had received/a prophecy: a miserable doom/awaited him, a murder brought about/by someone he would see come from the country/wearing a single sandal.鈥�
When Jason arrives at Thessaly, wearing a single sandal, Pelias knows that the person who can hurl him from his throne is standing before him. Therefore Pelias assigns Jason what he hopes will be an impossible task: to sail all the way from Thessaly to Colchis 鈥� a Black Sea kingdom located in what is now the western part of the Republic of Georgia 鈥� and bring back the Golden Fleece. The fleece is the golden skin and wool of Chrysomallos, a winged ram that rescued Phrixus of Boeotia from a murder plot devised by Phrixus鈥� stepmother. The winged ram carried Phrixus to Colchis, where Phrixus sacrificed the ram and gave the golden fleece to Colchis鈥� king, Ae毛tes. The fleece, for Ae毛tes, symbolizes divine sanction of his kingship, and therefore he will not give it up without a fight.
Accepting Pelias鈥� challenge, Jason oversees the building of a great ship, the Argo, and undertakes the task of finding a crew worthy of this epic quest. The Argonauts (鈥渟ea voyagers of the Argo鈥�) who accept the challenge constitute a true All-Star Team of classical Greek worthies, including Orpheus the great musician, Heracles and his companion Hylas, Meleager who hunted the Calydonian boar, the twin half-brothers Castor and Polydeuces (sons of Leda), Argus the shipwright, and Acastus son of Pelias.
The influence of Homer is evident when one reads the Argonautica. Some of the moving scenes in the Iliad and the Odyssey are understated scenes of human emotion 鈥� Helen expressing gratitude to Hector, because he is the only Trojan who has been kind to her; the baby Astyanax crying out in fear when he sees the feather plume on the helmet that his father Hector is wearing; Odysseus and his aging dog Argos silently recognizing one another when Odysseus returns in disguise to Ithaca. Apollonius of Rhodes also provides such moments, as when Jason tries to comfort his mother as he prepares to leave on a mission that looks like certain death: 鈥淪udden are the woes/the gods allot to mortals. Strive to bear/your portion of them, though it pains your heart.鈥�
As Heracles 鈥� the son of a god, and eventually a god himself 鈥� literally and figuratively stands head and shoulders above all other Greek heroes, perhaps it should be no surprise that the Argonauts initially want Heracles to lead the expedition. But Heracles, to his credit, declines the leadership of the Argonauts, insisting that that distinction properly belongs to Jason who organized the voyage: 鈥淣o, no, let no one offer me this honour./I won鈥檛 accept. What鈥檚 more, I will prevent/the rest of you from standing for the job./The man who called us here should lead our party.鈥�
Another pre-eminent quality of the Argonautica is its depiction of Jason and other characters in terms of imperfections and uncertainties that make the characters seem quite modern. After the seer Idmon (who had foreseen that he would die on the journey, but elected to sail with the Argonauts anyway) has been killed by a boar in Bithynia, Jason is disheartened, and cannot bring himself to join the other Argonauts over their evening wine: 鈥淛ason, however, like a man in sorrow,/minutely scrutinized within himself/All that might leave him feeling still more helpless.鈥�
As in the Iliad, so in the Argonautica, disputes among the heroes on the expedition sometimes threaten to undo the expedition. After the death of Idmon, Idas of Messene, who killed the boar that had fatally wounded Idmon, challenges Jason, accusing him of failing as leader of the Argonauts. An extended quarrel between Jason and Idas follows, while 鈥淥rpheus鈥id his best to calm them./He took up his lyre in this left hand/And played a song he had been working on.鈥�
On their way north towards the straits that lead from the Aegean into the Black Sea, the Argonauts visit Lemnos. That Greek island is known for the 鈥淟emnian crime,鈥� the murder by the Lemnian women of the all the men on Lemnos. Hypsipyle, who managed to save her father from the Lemnian crime, is Queen of Lemnos, and she and Jason feel an immediate attraction toward one another. Jason鈥檚 attractiveness to Hypsipyle is emphasized when the poem鈥檚 narrator describes how Jason 鈥渟trode on toward the city like the star/Young brides who are confined to new-built chambers/Watch rising radiantly above their houses.鈥�
The Lemnian women, at Hypsipyle鈥檚 urging, accept the Argonauts as lovers and protectors, and Hypsipyle herself has an affair with Jason 鈥� though she expresses a fatalistic sense that, sooner or later, the Argonauts will move on, and Jason will leave her to bear alone the children that she has conceived by Jason.
As the voyage of the Argo continues, more and more of the Argonauts鈥� heroic adventures come to seem more like unheroic misadventures. At one point, the Argonauts, who have helped their hosts and allies the Doliones fight an army of six-armed giants, leave their hosts, only to be blown back off course; they then end up fighting the Doliones, who in the darkness and confusion of night assume that the Argonauts are Pelasgian enemies of the Doliones. The narrator responds to this unfortunate event by setting forth the fatalistic world-view of the poem 鈥� 鈥淢ortals can never sidestep fate; the cosmic/Net is extended round us everywhere.鈥�
Heracles鈥� handsome young companion Hylas is kidnapped by a love-struck water nymph; and Heracles, grief-stricken and enraged at the loss of his friend, ends up being accidentally left behind when the Argo sails. While the Argonauts argue over who is at fault for the abandonment of the greatest of their company, Jason again exhibits some of the unheroic qualities that become more and more apparent as the poem goes on: 鈥淛ason was so dumbstruck and at a loss/He uttered nothing one way or the other 鈥� /No, he just sat there gnawing at his heart,/Feeling the burden of catastrophe.鈥� It becomes increasingly clear, over the course of the Argonautica, that Jason of Thessaly has his limitations as an expedition leader.
Once the Argonauts realize that Heracles has been left behind, Telamon of Aegina accuses Jason of deliberately abandoning the greatest of all Greek heroes. It takes divine intervention 鈥� in the form of the sea-god Glaucus coming up out of the sea, holding on to the keel of the Argo, and telling the Argonauts of Hylas鈥� fate 鈥� to get the heroes back on course.
Indeed, deus ex machina interventions, a hallowed tradition in classical Greek literature, are very much in evidence throughout the Argonautica. The goddesses Hera and Athena in particular offer help to Jason and the Argonauts as they make their way through a number of the exciting episodes dramatized in Harryhausen鈥檚 film 鈥� saving Phineus of Thrace from tormenting Harpies; getting the Argo safely through the Clashing Rocks that have crushed every vessel that has previously tried to pass through; battling the bronze giant Talus; encountering a great serpent that guards the Golden Fleece.
A particularly important example of divine help to Jason comes after the Argonauts鈥� arrival at Colchis, when the love goddess Aphrodite (at the urging of Hera and Athena) has her son Eros shoot the Colchian princess Medea, daughter of king Ae毛tes, with darts of love for Jason. Eros, who is depicted as a spoiled, selfish little boy, accedes to his mother鈥檚 request (she has promised him a shiny new toy), and Medea falls immediately and desperately in love with Jason:
[S]he fired scintillating glances over
And over at the son of Aeson. Anguish
Quickened her heart and panted in her breast,
And she could think of him, him only, nothing
But him, as sweet affliction drained her soul.
Medea emerges here as a sympathetic figure: a pawn in a game among gods, compelled by divine forces to fall in love with a man who will become the enemy of her country 鈥� to turn traitor in the name of love.
Ae毛tes, for all of the reasons stated above, doesn鈥檛 want to give up the Golden Fleece; therefore, he assigns Jason the challenge of harnessing two fire-breathing oxen and with them plowing the plains of Colchis. Argus, builder of the Argo, offers to seek Medea鈥檚 favour and assistance, and Jason gives his consent, adding, 鈥淏ut, mind you,/If we entrust our homecoming to women,/Our hopes are very pitiful indeed.鈥�
Gaining the fleece, and leaving Colchis, Jason and Medea and the Argonauts take shelter with Alcino枚s and Arete at the island of Dr茅pan茅. Ae毛tes has promised to put Medea to death by slow torture if he ever catches her. Alcino枚s has decreed that if Medea is still a virgin, he must return her to Ae毛tes; if she is not, Alcino枚s will shelter and protect her. Accordingly, Jason and Medea, who had hoped for a palace wedding back in Thessaly, must have a hurry-up marriage in Alcino枚s鈥� court:
The truth is, we
The members of the woe-struck tribes of mortals
Never tread the pathways to delight
With confidence. Some bitter anguish always
Shambles along beside our happiness.
Thus, after Jason and Medea鈥檚 souls
Dissolved in sweet lovemaking, terror gripped them:
Would King Alcino枚s, in fact, deliver
The verdict Queen Arete had described?
The reader of the Argonautica is always thinking ahead to what will happen beyond the bounds of the poem. We know that Jason and Medea will eventually settle in Corinth 鈥� that Jason, over time, will seek to improve his situation by divorcing Medea and marrying the princess Creusa (or Glauce) 鈥� and that Medea will respond to Jason鈥檚 faithlessness by taking a truly terrible revenge, as Euripides chronicles in his play Medea. Harryhausen鈥檚 film alludes gently to the unhappy future of these characters, when the film鈥檚 Zeus (played by Niall MacGinnis) says that 鈥渇or Jason, there are other adventures. I have not finished with Jason.鈥�
Today, Jason and the Argonauts come up in all sorts of contexts. Dante Alighieri sends Jason to Hell, assigning him to the First Bolgia of the Inferno's 8th circle where "Seducers and Panderers" are punished, because of Jason's seduction and abandonment of Hypsipyle. Toronto鈥檚 professional football team has been called the Argonauts since 1873. Senator William Proxmire of Wisconsin, from 1975 to 1988, would give a 鈥淕olden Fleece Award鈥� to the federal official who he felt had been most wasteful of public money. The 1982 song 鈥淛ason and the Argonauts,鈥� by the British rock band XTC, declares that 鈥淭here may be no Golden Fleece,/But human riches I鈥檒l release鈥�. And whether one wants to read the Argonautica in its larger mythological context, or for its long-term cultural influence, or simply as a rousing tale of adventure, it is a journey well worth taking.
Not much is known about Apollonius of Rhodes, except that he worked at the Library of Alexandria during the era of the Ptolemies. His work is associated with the Hellenistic period, the time after the death of Alexander the Great in 323 B.C. Alexander鈥檚 conquests brought Greek culture and various Eastern cultures together, and an intriguing cultural mix resulted. It is interesting to contemplate how the Argonautica (literally, The Tale of the Argonauts) might incorporate storytelling traditions from other major cultures of the time 鈥� Persia or India, for example 鈥� along with those of classical Greece.
As Jason and the Argonauts begins, Pelias of Thessaly has consolidated power in his kingdom, in part by imprisoning any potential rivals 鈥� including Aeson, father of Jason. Yet Pelias does not feel secure in the crown he wears: 鈥淧elias had received/a prophecy: a miserable doom/awaited him, a murder brought about/by someone he would see come from the country/wearing a single sandal.鈥�
When Jason arrives at Thessaly, wearing a single sandal, Pelias knows that the person who can hurl him from his throne is standing before him. Therefore Pelias assigns Jason what he hopes will be an impossible task: to sail all the way from Thessaly to Colchis 鈥� a Black Sea kingdom located in what is now the western part of the Republic of Georgia 鈥� and bring back the Golden Fleece. The fleece is the golden skin and wool of Chrysomallos, a winged ram that rescued Phrixus of Boeotia from a murder plot devised by Phrixus鈥� stepmother. The winged ram carried Phrixus to Colchis, where Phrixus sacrificed the ram and gave the golden fleece to Colchis鈥� king, Ae毛tes. The fleece, for Ae毛tes, symbolizes divine sanction of his kingship, and therefore he will not give it up without a fight.
Accepting Pelias鈥� challenge, Jason oversees the building of a great ship, the Argo, and undertakes the task of finding a crew worthy of this epic quest. The Argonauts (鈥渟ea voyagers of the Argo鈥�) who accept the challenge constitute a true All-Star Team of classical Greek worthies, including Orpheus the great musician, Heracles and his companion Hylas, Meleager who hunted the Calydonian boar, the twin half-brothers Castor and Polydeuces (sons of Leda), Argus the shipwright, and Acastus son of Pelias.
The influence of Homer is evident when one reads the Argonautica. Some of the moving scenes in the Iliad and the Odyssey are understated scenes of human emotion 鈥� Helen expressing gratitude to Hector, because he is the only Trojan who has been kind to her; the baby Astyanax crying out in fear when he sees the feather plume on the helmet that his father Hector is wearing; Odysseus and his aging dog Argos silently recognizing one another when Odysseus returns in disguise to Ithaca. Apollonius of Rhodes also provides such moments, as when Jason tries to comfort his mother as he prepares to leave on a mission that looks like certain death: 鈥淪udden are the woes/the gods allot to mortals. Strive to bear/your portion of them, though it pains your heart.鈥�
As Heracles 鈥� the son of a god, and eventually a god himself 鈥� literally and figuratively stands head and shoulders above all other Greek heroes, perhaps it should be no surprise that the Argonauts initially want Heracles to lead the expedition. But Heracles, to his credit, declines the leadership of the Argonauts, insisting that that distinction properly belongs to Jason who organized the voyage: 鈥淣o, no, let no one offer me this honour./I won鈥檛 accept. What鈥檚 more, I will prevent/the rest of you from standing for the job./The man who called us here should lead our party.鈥�
Another pre-eminent quality of the Argonautica is its depiction of Jason and other characters in terms of imperfections and uncertainties that make the characters seem quite modern. After the seer Idmon (who had foreseen that he would die on the journey, but elected to sail with the Argonauts anyway) has been killed by a boar in Bithynia, Jason is disheartened, and cannot bring himself to join the other Argonauts over their evening wine: 鈥淛ason, however, like a man in sorrow,/minutely scrutinized within himself/All that might leave him feeling still more helpless.鈥�
As in the Iliad, so in the Argonautica, disputes among the heroes on the expedition sometimes threaten to undo the expedition. After the death of Idmon, Idas of Messene, who killed the boar that had fatally wounded Idmon, challenges Jason, accusing him of failing as leader of the Argonauts. An extended quarrel between Jason and Idas follows, while 鈥淥rpheus鈥id his best to calm them./He took up his lyre in this left hand/And played a song he had been working on.鈥�
On their way north towards the straits that lead from the Aegean into the Black Sea, the Argonauts visit Lemnos. That Greek island is known for the 鈥淟emnian crime,鈥� the murder by the Lemnian women of the all the men on Lemnos. Hypsipyle, who managed to save her father from the Lemnian crime, is Queen of Lemnos, and she and Jason feel an immediate attraction toward one another. Jason鈥檚 attractiveness to Hypsipyle is emphasized when the poem鈥檚 narrator describes how Jason 鈥渟trode on toward the city like the star/Young brides who are confined to new-built chambers/Watch rising radiantly above their houses.鈥�
The Lemnian women, at Hypsipyle鈥檚 urging, accept the Argonauts as lovers and protectors, and Hypsipyle herself has an affair with Jason 鈥� though she expresses a fatalistic sense that, sooner or later, the Argonauts will move on, and Jason will leave her to bear alone the children that she has conceived by Jason.
As the voyage of the Argo continues, more and more of the Argonauts鈥� heroic adventures come to seem more like unheroic misadventures. At one point, the Argonauts, who have helped their hosts and allies the Doliones fight an army of six-armed giants, leave their hosts, only to be blown back off course; they then end up fighting the Doliones, who in the darkness and confusion of night assume that the Argonauts are Pelasgian enemies of the Doliones. The narrator responds to this unfortunate event by setting forth the fatalistic world-view of the poem 鈥� 鈥淢ortals can never sidestep fate; the cosmic/Net is extended round us everywhere.鈥�
Heracles鈥� handsome young companion Hylas is kidnapped by a love-struck water nymph; and Heracles, grief-stricken and enraged at the loss of his friend, ends up being accidentally left behind when the Argo sails. While the Argonauts argue over who is at fault for the abandonment of the greatest of their company, Jason again exhibits some of the unheroic qualities that become more and more apparent as the poem goes on: 鈥淛ason was so dumbstruck and at a loss/He uttered nothing one way or the other 鈥� /No, he just sat there gnawing at his heart,/Feeling the burden of catastrophe.鈥� It becomes increasingly clear, over the course of the Argonautica, that Jason of Thessaly has his limitations as an expedition leader.
Once the Argonauts realize that Heracles has been left behind, Telamon of Aegina accuses Jason of deliberately abandoning the greatest of all Greek heroes. It takes divine intervention 鈥� in the form of the sea-god Glaucus coming up out of the sea, holding on to the keel of the Argo, and telling the Argonauts of Hylas鈥� fate 鈥� to get the heroes back on course.
Indeed, deus ex machina interventions, a hallowed tradition in classical Greek literature, are very much in evidence throughout the Argonautica. The goddesses Hera and Athena in particular offer help to Jason and the Argonauts as they make their way through a number of the exciting episodes dramatized in Harryhausen鈥檚 film 鈥� saving Phineus of Thrace from tormenting Harpies; getting the Argo safely through the Clashing Rocks that have crushed every vessel that has previously tried to pass through; battling the bronze giant Talus; encountering a great serpent that guards the Golden Fleece.
A particularly important example of divine help to Jason comes after the Argonauts鈥� arrival at Colchis, when the love goddess Aphrodite (at the urging of Hera and Athena) has her son Eros shoot the Colchian princess Medea, daughter of king Ae毛tes, with darts of love for Jason. Eros, who is depicted as a spoiled, selfish little boy, accedes to his mother鈥檚 request (she has promised him a shiny new toy), and Medea falls immediately and desperately in love with Jason:
[S]he fired scintillating glances over
And over at the son of Aeson. Anguish
Quickened her heart and panted in her breast,
And she could think of him, him only, nothing
But him, as sweet affliction drained her soul.
Medea emerges here as a sympathetic figure: a pawn in a game among gods, compelled by divine forces to fall in love with a man who will become the enemy of her country 鈥� to turn traitor in the name of love.
Ae毛tes, for all of the reasons stated above, doesn鈥檛 want to give up the Golden Fleece; therefore, he assigns Jason the challenge of harnessing two fire-breathing oxen and with them plowing the plains of Colchis. Argus, builder of the Argo, offers to seek Medea鈥檚 favour and assistance, and Jason gives his consent, adding, 鈥淏ut, mind you,/If we entrust our homecoming to women,/Our hopes are very pitiful indeed.鈥�
Gaining the fleece, and leaving Colchis, Jason and Medea and the Argonauts take shelter with Alcino枚s and Arete at the island of Dr茅pan茅. Ae毛tes has promised to put Medea to death by slow torture if he ever catches her. Alcino枚s has decreed that if Medea is still a virgin, he must return her to Ae毛tes; if she is not, Alcino枚s will shelter and protect her. Accordingly, Jason and Medea, who had hoped for a palace wedding back in Thessaly, must have a hurry-up marriage in Alcino枚s鈥� court:
The truth is, we
The members of the woe-struck tribes of mortals
Never tread the pathways to delight
With confidence. Some bitter anguish always
Shambles along beside our happiness.
Thus, after Jason and Medea鈥檚 souls
Dissolved in sweet lovemaking, terror gripped them:
Would King Alcino枚s, in fact, deliver
The verdict Queen Arete had described?
The reader of the Argonautica is always thinking ahead to what will happen beyond the bounds of the poem. We know that Jason and Medea will eventually settle in Corinth 鈥� that Jason, over time, will seek to improve his situation by divorcing Medea and marrying the princess Creusa (or Glauce) 鈥� and that Medea will respond to Jason鈥檚 faithlessness by taking a truly terrible revenge, as Euripides chronicles in his play Medea. Harryhausen鈥檚 film alludes gently to the unhappy future of these characters, when the film鈥檚 Zeus (played by Niall MacGinnis) says that 鈥渇or Jason, there are other adventures. I have not finished with Jason.鈥�
Today, Jason and the Argonauts come up in all sorts of contexts. Dante Alighieri sends Jason to Hell, assigning him to the First Bolgia of the Inferno's 8th circle where "Seducers and Panderers" are punished, because of Jason's seduction and abandonment of Hypsipyle. Toronto鈥檚 professional football team has been called the Argonauts since 1873. Senator William Proxmire of Wisconsin, from 1975 to 1988, would give a 鈥淕olden Fleece Award鈥� to the federal official who he felt had been most wasteful of public money. The 1982 song 鈥淛ason and the Argonauts,鈥� by the British rock band XTC, declares that 鈥淭here may be no Golden Fleece,/But human riches I鈥檒l release鈥�. And whether one wants to read the Argonautica in its larger mythological context, or for its long-term cultural influence, or simply as a rousing tale of adventure, it is a journey well worth taking.
February 10, 2017
62. The Argonautika (Expanded Edition) by Apollonius Rhodius, translated with Introduction, commentary and glossary by Peter Green
composition: circa 200鈥檚 bce,
translation 1997? (notes completed 2008)
format: 490 page paperback, University of California press (I read 383 pages, skipping 60+ page glossary, etc)
acquired: March, from amazon.com
read: Sep 23 - Oct 12
rating: 4
Part 1 - some setting
Homer left me wondering about Jason and his voyage in the Argo with his Argonauts and his quest for the golden fleece. The Iliad and the Odyssey reference the stories...because they have to. It was the children of the Argonauts who fought the Trojan War. And one has to wonder how much of the tales of the Odyssey were taken from Argonauts voyage, if any. But these Homeric epics never get involved enough to write out the story lines. It seems the Jason resides, along with the Calydonian Boar Hunt, in the darker shadows of mythology - fundamental and yet lost along with the oral storytelling past. His story chronicles the first shipboard odyssey aboard the mythical first ship, but it lacks any standard truly ancient version.
What Apollonius created is something far removed from Homer. Apollonius lived in what was maybe the peak of Alexandria's cultural flowering - when that library was collecting all the ancients works. We know the names of several head librarians from the 3rd century BCE Alexandria - Zenodotus, Eratosthenes, Aristophanes of Byzantium, Aristarchus of Samothrace, and Apollonius of Rhodes, our author. These surely must be the most famous librarians in history. Callimachus is credited with writing the first catalogue of the library, but was never a librarian. Apollonius, his student, appears have been chosen over him and there is a mythology of sorts around their rivalry. In a nutshell, Callimachus wrote shorter, original works of poetry, while Apollonius, more a traditionalist, clung to Homer and the epic.
Part 2 - mythical background
The background myth behind the Argonautika is complicated tossed salad of stories involving a golden ram rescuing a brother and sister, Phrixos and Hell茅, and racing them off away from Greece proper to the far side of the Black Sea. Hell茅 falls off a cliff, now named Hellespont after her. Phrixos finds shelter under the barbarian king of Kolchis, Ai毛t茅s, and rewards his ram by fleecing it...hence the golden fleece.
Jason, meanwhile, walks into a trap, one that says a lot about what's not going on in his head. The local king, Pelias, foretold that the Jason, who is the son of Aison from whom Pelias stole his crown, would ruin him, sends Jason off on an adventure sure to kill him. He is to the cross the Black Sea and get the golden fleece and bring it back to Pelias. Unfortunately for Pelias, goddess Hera intervenes. In the various myths Jason will acquire a magical ship built by Argos and the goddess Athena, and acquire a heroic crew that would include Orpheus, Heracles and the fathers of some heroes of the Iliad. He will sail himself and his crew into a barbarian trap in Kolchis and be rescued only because of the emotional swings of the king's daughter, Medea, who decides to help him, use him, or whatever. She saves Jason from sure doom, gets him the fleece, kills her brother, Ai毛t茅s' heir, and thoroughly ruins Ai毛t茅s. It's not clear whether this plays any part in the origin of the word "fleeced".
Part 3 - the actual book
There were several written versions of the Argonautika, and I think other than Apollonius's version they are all lost, although some summaries and commentaries survive. So, depending on how you look at it, we both blessed and stuck with Apollonios's version. And actually there is a lot going for it. I don't know how it stands on poetic grounds, since I read it in translation, but the epic reads quickly. It's an adventure with many curiosities, typically based on the world knowledge of the times. In a sense it's a natural history of the (poorly) known non-Asian world. Apollonios's geography is quite cooked, as he has Jason go up the Danube and come out the Adriatic Sea. Then go up the Po, and through some mythical Swiss lake reach the Rhine, make a u-turn and come out of something like the Rhone. That obviously doesn't fly, but he's trying to match the Odyssey in (mythical) geography and there wasn't anyone around to correct him in the 3rd century bce. But, regardless, Apollonius was influential, and had a huge impact on Virgil, from the Roman era. pulls from this version of the Argonautika freely, using the same phrases and similes. The Argonautika pulls from the Odyssey, and Euripides play Medea and many other sources, but also appears to have many original aspects to it and these then fed into the future literary traditions.
The Argonautika is probably most noteworthy for its anti-heroes. Herakles is essentially humor and quickly dispatched (or the story wouldn't work). Many of the other heroes are noteworthy for silly aspects, and some are simply not so smart. But Jason especially stands out as a fop, a second rate leader at best, only saved by Medea and his guardian goddesses. All this is told straight, it's in there as an understated irony, Alexandrian humor I supposed. It's an irony that stands in a marked contrast the glory sincerely sought by Homer's heroes.
The one aspect that most disappointed me by Apollonius was his women. First of all he kicks Atalanta off the Argo(!). He gives some brief sorry explanation. Medea has some original and creative aspects, and probably is his most important creation especially with her psychological complexity and emotional wavering, but this is not Euripides' dominant force of a character. This is a emotionally vulnerable woman struck down by Aphrodite for a second rate hero, eventually strung out to dry by her own silly decisions. Homer's women of the Odyssey are all notable for their strengths, and the Athenian tragic Greek poets of the 5th century wrote wonderfully terribly strong female characters. That's all gone here. Apollonius sees women simply as a lesser sex.
Part 4 - translation
A note about the translator, . The translation is merely one part of this physical and quietly beautiful book. The notes are actually longer than the text. They are another whole book, 200 pages of really nicely done commentary. And then there is a 60 page glossary that is, simply, wonderful. I actually tried to read it, and made it about 12 pages in (I was still on 'A' and all the names were blending together because they were too similar. So, I gave it up.). Finally his bibliography has it's own format that identifies whether the book was actually cited in the notes, or is an un-cited reference. What I'm trying to say is this was a labor of love. I was very impressed.
In summary...
Right, so what was my overall impression? I really liked the beginning, the rapid moving story, and the extensive notes there to slow me down. But I felt like Apollonius got a bit lost along the way trying to get all his odd story details in. By the time I got to the last book (there are four) I was ready to just rush through it and be done. But, for 50 pages of text there were 70 pages of notes, and I simply found that, all those notes, overwhelming, regardless of how I tried to break them up. I'm glad I read this, but I hope I don't read it again. I now feel very well prepped for Virgil.
composition: circa 200鈥檚 bce,
translation 1997? (notes completed 2008)
format: 490 page paperback, University of California press (I read 383 pages, skipping 60+ page glossary, etc)
acquired: March, from amazon.com
read: Sep 23 - Oct 12
rating: 4
Part 1 - some setting
Homer left me wondering about Jason and his voyage in the Argo with his Argonauts and his quest for the golden fleece. The Iliad and the Odyssey reference the stories...because they have to. It was the children of the Argonauts who fought the Trojan War. And one has to wonder how much of the tales of the Odyssey were taken from Argonauts voyage, if any. But these Homeric epics never get involved enough to write out the story lines. It seems the Jason resides, along with the Calydonian Boar Hunt, in the darker shadows of mythology - fundamental and yet lost along with the oral storytelling past. His story chronicles the first shipboard odyssey aboard the mythical first ship, but it lacks any standard truly ancient version.
What Apollonius created is something far removed from Homer. Apollonius lived in what was maybe the peak of Alexandria's cultural flowering - when that library was collecting all the ancients works. We know the names of several head librarians from the 3rd century BCE Alexandria - Zenodotus, Eratosthenes, Aristophanes of Byzantium, Aristarchus of Samothrace, and Apollonius of Rhodes, our author. These surely must be the most famous librarians in history. Callimachus is credited with writing the first catalogue of the library, but was never a librarian. Apollonius, his student, appears have been chosen over him and there is a mythology of sorts around their rivalry. In a nutshell, Callimachus wrote shorter, original works of poetry, while Apollonius, more a traditionalist, clung to Homer and the epic.
Part 2 - mythical background
The background myth behind the Argonautika is complicated tossed salad of stories involving a golden ram rescuing a brother and sister, Phrixos and Hell茅, and racing them off away from Greece proper to the far side of the Black Sea. Hell茅 falls off a cliff, now named Hellespont after her. Phrixos finds shelter under the barbarian king of Kolchis, Ai毛t茅s, and rewards his ram by fleecing it...hence the golden fleece.
Jason, meanwhile, walks into a trap, one that says a lot about what's not going on in his head. The local king, Pelias, foretold that the Jason, who is the son of Aison from whom Pelias stole his crown, would ruin him, sends Jason off on an adventure sure to kill him. He is to the cross the Black Sea and get the golden fleece and bring it back to Pelias. Unfortunately for Pelias, goddess Hera intervenes. In the various myths Jason will acquire a magical ship built by Argos and the goddess Athena, and acquire a heroic crew that would include Orpheus, Heracles and the fathers of some heroes of the Iliad. He will sail himself and his crew into a barbarian trap in Kolchis and be rescued only because of the emotional swings of the king's daughter, Medea, who decides to help him, use him, or whatever. She saves Jason from sure doom, gets him the fleece, kills her brother, Ai毛t茅s' heir, and thoroughly ruins Ai毛t茅s. It's not clear whether this plays any part in the origin of the word "fleeced".
Part 3 - the actual book
There were several written versions of the Argonautika, and I think other than Apollonius's version they are all lost, although some summaries and commentaries survive. So, depending on how you look at it, we both blessed and stuck with Apollonios's version. And actually there is a lot going for it. I don't know how it stands on poetic grounds, since I read it in translation, but the epic reads quickly. It's an adventure with many curiosities, typically based on the world knowledge of the times. In a sense it's a natural history of the (poorly) known non-Asian world. Apollonios's geography is quite cooked, as he has Jason go up the Danube and come out the Adriatic Sea. Then go up the Po, and through some mythical Swiss lake reach the Rhine, make a u-turn and come out of something like the Rhone. That obviously doesn't fly, but he's trying to match the Odyssey in (mythical) geography and there wasn't anyone around to correct him in the 3rd century bce. But, regardless, Apollonius was influential, and had a huge impact on Virgil, from the Roman era. pulls from this version of the Argonautika freely, using the same phrases and similes. The Argonautika pulls from the Odyssey, and Euripides play Medea and many other sources, but also appears to have many original aspects to it and these then fed into the future literary traditions.
The Argonautika is probably most noteworthy for its anti-heroes. Herakles is essentially humor and quickly dispatched (or the story wouldn't work). Many of the other heroes are noteworthy for silly aspects, and some are simply not so smart. But Jason especially stands out as a fop, a second rate leader at best, only saved by Medea and his guardian goddesses. All this is told straight, it's in there as an understated irony, Alexandrian humor I supposed. It's an irony that stands in a marked contrast the glory sincerely sought by Homer's heroes.
The one aspect that most disappointed me by Apollonius was his women. First of all he kicks Atalanta off the Argo(!). He gives some brief sorry explanation. Medea has some original and creative aspects, and probably is his most important creation especially with her psychological complexity and emotional wavering, but this is not Euripides' dominant force of a character. This is a emotionally vulnerable woman struck down by Aphrodite for a second rate hero, eventually strung out to dry by her own silly decisions. Homer's women of the Odyssey are all notable for their strengths, and the Athenian tragic Greek poets of the 5th century wrote wonderfully terribly strong female characters. That's all gone here. Apollonius sees women simply as a lesser sex.
Part 4 - translation
A note about the translator, . The translation is merely one part of this physical and quietly beautiful book. The notes are actually longer than the text. They are another whole book, 200 pages of really nicely done commentary. And then there is a 60 page glossary that is, simply, wonderful. I actually tried to read it, and made it about 12 pages in (I was still on 'A' and all the names were blending together because they were too similar. So, I gave it up.). Finally his bibliography has it's own format that identifies whether the book was actually cited in the notes, or is an un-cited reference. What I'm trying to say is this was a labor of love. I was very impressed.
In summary...
Right, so what was my overall impression? I really liked the beginning, the rapid moving story, and the extensive notes there to slow me down. But I felt like Apollonius got a bit lost along the way trying to get all his odd story details in. By the time I got to the last book (there are four) I was ready to just rush through it and be done. But, for 50 pages of text there were 70 pages of notes, and I simply found that, all those notes, overwhelming, regardless of how I tried to break them up. I'm glad I read this, but I hope I don't read it again. I now feel very well prepped for Virgil.
September 10, 2023
Leggere le Argonautiche significa avere a che fare con un esperimento, l鈥檃nello di congiunzione tra la bellezza arcaica dei poemi di Omero e la perfezione classica dell鈥橢neide di Virgilio. Significa avere a che fare con un racconto mitologico tutto sommato breve, erede di una tradizione tragica, lirica e filosofica di altissimo spessore, e tuttavia, in un certo senso, non ancora matura. Verrebbe da dire quasi che le Argonautiche sono un poema non abbastanza ellenistico.
Apollonio si propone un compito, nello scrivere questo poema, piuttosto tecnico: molti poeti, infatti, avevano gi脿 cantato riguardo il viaggio degli Argonauti, e molte tradizioni locali, indipendenti tra loro e spesso contraddittorie, vantavano il passaggio, in un momento o nell鈥檃ltro del viaggio, della comitiva di eroi. Al poeta spettava dunque l鈥檃rdua fatica di mettere ordine tutto questo patrimonio mitologico e culturale in un鈥檜nica narrazione coesa: si capisce dunque come il poema, specie quando segue le peripezie degli eroi per mare, abbia un andamento quasi catalogico, in particolare nei libri II e IV, che rende la narrazione poco pi霉 di un susseguirsi di scene e di episodi; e se nella prima parte essa contribuisce a costruire l鈥檃ngosciosa attesa dell鈥檈pisodio centrale, lo stesso non si pu貌 dire per il libro IV, che narra il ritorno degli eroi, in cui, fatta eccezione per alcuni episodi, la narrazione si fa veramente pesante e ripetitiva.
Il libro III per貌, che costituisce il fulcro del poema, 猫 un piccolo capolavoro di poesia: la vicenda di Medea, figura intrigante e vittima dell鈥檌ntera impresa, 猫 costruita con toni tragici e scuri, e l鈥檌ntera permanenza nella Colchide, dallo sbarco fino al recupero del Vello d鈥橭ro, ha un clima tenebroso e cupo.
La psicologia di Giasone, invece, l鈥檈roe e protagonista del poema, 猫 un elemento che risalta lungo tutta la narrazione: ben lungi dall鈥檃vere i tratti tipici dell鈥檈roe arcaico, Giasone 猫 un uomo che piange, che vive momenti di incertezza e di vera e propria disperazione, ed 猫 in quei momenti che risalta il ruolo fondamentale del gruppo, che in un modo o nell鈥檃ltro si risolleva sempre: pi霉 che dell鈥檌mpresa di un singolo, infatti, questo mito ci parla dell鈥檌mportanza della fiducia e della collaborazione.
Le Argonautiche sono un poema difficile, oscuro, lontano sia dai canoni narrativi odierni che da quelli classici. Certo 猫 che chiunque voglia leggerlo dovr脿 armarsi di pazienza e di buona volont脿.
Apollonio si propone un compito, nello scrivere questo poema, piuttosto tecnico: molti poeti, infatti, avevano gi脿 cantato riguardo il viaggio degli Argonauti, e molte tradizioni locali, indipendenti tra loro e spesso contraddittorie, vantavano il passaggio, in un momento o nell鈥檃ltro del viaggio, della comitiva di eroi. Al poeta spettava dunque l鈥檃rdua fatica di mettere ordine tutto questo patrimonio mitologico e culturale in un鈥檜nica narrazione coesa: si capisce dunque come il poema, specie quando segue le peripezie degli eroi per mare, abbia un andamento quasi catalogico, in particolare nei libri II e IV, che rende la narrazione poco pi霉 di un susseguirsi di scene e di episodi; e se nella prima parte essa contribuisce a costruire l鈥檃ngosciosa attesa dell鈥檈pisodio centrale, lo stesso non si pu貌 dire per il libro IV, che narra il ritorno degli eroi, in cui, fatta eccezione per alcuni episodi, la narrazione si fa veramente pesante e ripetitiva.
Il libro III per貌, che costituisce il fulcro del poema, 猫 un piccolo capolavoro di poesia: la vicenda di Medea, figura intrigante e vittima dell鈥檌ntera impresa, 猫 costruita con toni tragici e scuri, e l鈥檌ntera permanenza nella Colchide, dallo sbarco fino al recupero del Vello d鈥橭ro, ha un clima tenebroso e cupo.
La psicologia di Giasone, invece, l鈥檈roe e protagonista del poema, 猫 un elemento che risalta lungo tutta la narrazione: ben lungi dall鈥檃vere i tratti tipici dell鈥檈roe arcaico, Giasone 猫 un uomo che piange, che vive momenti di incertezza e di vera e propria disperazione, ed 猫 in quei momenti che risalta il ruolo fondamentale del gruppo, che in un modo o nell鈥檃ltro si risolleva sempre: pi霉 che dell鈥檌mpresa di un singolo, infatti, questo mito ci parla dell鈥檌mportanza della fiducia e della collaborazione.
Le Argonautiche sono un poema difficile, oscuro, lontano sia dai canoni narrativi odierni che da quelli classici. Certo 猫 che chiunque voglia leggerlo dovr脿 armarsi di pazienza e di buona volont脿.
June 27, 2019
Medea'n谋n 枚yk眉s眉n眉 枚zellikle merak etti臒im i莽in okumak istemi艧tim Argo gemisinin yolculu臒unu. Fakat k谋sa bir eser (188 sayfa) olmas谋na ra臒men okuma s眉rem 莽ok uzad谋. Medea'n谋n Eros'un att谋臒谋 ok ile b眉y眉lenip Iason'a a艧谋k olmas谋 ve ard谋ndan Medea etrafinda geli艧en olaylar d谋艧谋nda kitaptan keyif almadim. Apollonius 莽ok fazla araya girerek hikayenin ak谋c谋l谋臒谋n谋 engellemi艧 bana g枚re. Fakat Euripides'ten Medea'y谋 okuyup, Euri'nin yanl谋 bak谋艧 a莽谋s谋ndan ho艧lanmad谋ysan谋z (benim gibi) bu kitaptaki lirik k谋s谋mlar谋 etkileyici bulabilirsiniz.
January 16, 2024
Una historia de aventuras emocionante, entretenida y en cierta forma educativa al estar trufada de referencias hist贸rico-mitol贸gicas. Puede decirse que las 础谤驳辞苍谩耻迟颈肠补蝉 es la madre de las historias basadas en el viaje de b煤squeda, un asunto que aparecer铆a de manera recurrente en la narrativa posterior hasta nuestros d铆as e incluso en el cine.
Claramente, Apolonio de Rodas (295 AC-215 AC) bebi贸 de la forma y recursos literarios de la 滨濒铆补诲补 y la Odisea para escribir su poema 茅pico, aun cuando la acci贸n de las 础谤驳辞苍谩耻迟颈肠补蝉 se sit煤a una generaci贸n antes de los acontecimientos de la 滨濒铆补诲补. A su vez, las 础谤驳辞苍谩耻迟颈肠补蝉 influyeron poderosamente en Eneida de Virgilio, que imita partes enteras.
Una gran lectura, un gran libro y un gran poeta.
Claramente, Apolonio de Rodas (295 AC-215 AC) bebi贸 de la forma y recursos literarios de la 滨濒铆补诲补 y la Odisea para escribir su poema 茅pico, aun cuando la acci贸n de las 础谤驳辞苍谩耻迟颈肠补蝉 se sit煤a una generaci贸n antes de los acontecimientos de la 滨濒铆补诲补. A su vez, las 础谤驳辞苍谩耻迟颈肠补蝉 influyeron poderosamente en Eneida de Virgilio, que imita partes enteras.
Una gran lectura, un gran libro y un gran poeta.
September 21, 2020
Jason and the Golden Fleece was somewhat interesting and entertaining. In it, you will meet Jason and his crew. Without know much about Jason to begin with, and my brain slowly melting away from my crazy work day, I found the story just okay.
The beginning started off pretty great but with all the extra side notes I got easily confused and lost. Maybe it's just because today was not the day to dive into this book and I still somehow made it through.. or maybe I just wasn't invested into Jason to begin with. He kind of reminded me of the cartoon version of Hercules. Like just a little bit.
I feel like things started to pick up for me once we met Medea. There was just something about her and their love in a way that woke me up. Even for a little bit. I mean don't get me wrong - I love most of the Greek Gods/Heroes mentioned in this book but for some reason it didn't work for me today. Maybe I will re-read this later in life and my opinion might change.
The beginning started off pretty great but with all the extra side notes I got easily confused and lost. Maybe it's just because today was not the day to dive into this book and I still somehow made it through.. or maybe I just wasn't invested into Jason to begin with. He kind of reminded me of the cartoon version of Hercules. Like just a little bit.
I feel like things started to pick up for me once we met Medea. There was just something about her and their love in a way that woke me up. Even for a little bit. I mean don't get me wrong - I love most of the Greek Gods/Heroes mentioned in this book but for some reason it didn't work for me today. Maybe I will re-read this later in life and my opinion might change.
December 29, 2021
In a way it's impossible to put an ancient classic on the 5-star scale, at least for me, since, as a writer myself, I feel like they must be read simply to understand something of the history of the forms in which we writers work. Aesthetically speaking, however, I will say that the Argonautica is a bit rough. It falls between the pristine and beautiful innocence of the orally transmitted Homeric epics and the refined Latin cursus of the extra-literary Aeneid. If anything, the Argonautica reminded me of much medieval literature with its encyclopedic travelogue of the Mediterranean. The first book seemed an information dump--characters, situation. The second book seemed like mostly travelogue with one slightly interesting story, but it's wholly without drama and of course one is anxious to get to Medea and the Golden Fleece. Book three is the most dramatically satisfying as we do get to the heart of the story and finally the text seems to loose itself in the drama. then book four is again a bit clunky as the main drama has passed and again we're on the sea filled with random, learned information about geography, cities, and civilizations--with some semi-interesting episodes of escape on the return trip.
Thus, to a modern reader, the information dumps are a bit of a slog, and the exposition is way too obvious to please, but the heart of the story and the character of Medea, her betrayal of her father for love, and her guilt over it, are all pretty engrossing, even if, in the end, that's only a chunk and not at all the whole of the tale.
What I did notice about the whole thing, and which endlessly fascinated me, is how utterly female the epic is. I swear it reads like a female writer's postmodern sendup of classical epos. The first people the Argonauts meet is a race of women who've slain all their men because the men got too sexually obsessed with the slave girls they stole. Then there's a sea nymph who runs off with one of Herakles' buddies and marries him (rape!), which is how H. gets separated from the crew and drops out of the story. Up on Olympus the only gods concerned with the Argonauts are Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite--this latter who then spurns on her son Eros to make Medea fall in love with Jason and give this "glowing," but otherwise rather bland and quite timorous hero, his only chance of completing his quest theft. I mean, he has to do it as ordered, but it's not a super noble enterprise, is it? Circe, another witch demigoddess, purifies the murderous lovers of the murder of Medea's brother (who caught up with them as they escaped and wanted to take them back to dad to receive justice). Then, at the end, in the final escape from any kind of comeuppance, the goddess tells Jason to stop despairing and lamenting and push on in order to honor the mother who bore him. The Argonauts read this augury as a reference to their ship, the Argo itself, which has carried them in its womb all this time.
So, Iin the end, we have a group of pretty much interchangeable, rather fearful, pessimistic, and not very vivid "heroes," controlled by goddesses, who are helped by women without men to take a journey to the East where they precipitate a drama between a woman (the text's most interesting and vividly drawn character) and her father, a dangerous situation that only other demigoddesses and important female advisors can fix enough to give them a happy homecoming. Fascinating.
PS Yes, I did read this 1919 Loeb Classics edition I picked up when a used bookstore minion back in the 1980s and I've had for years. It's a prose translation I imagine literal enough to aid those reading the original in a learning situation, but not so great for the casual reader. I know there are better modern verse translations, I just can't afford to buy them now and I've been wanting to read this for a very long time. I hope one of those modern verse versions comes my way cheaply enough I can grab it one day for a second reading. Or a philanthropist out there can simply send me one. Thanks in advance!
Thus, to a modern reader, the information dumps are a bit of a slog, and the exposition is way too obvious to please, but the heart of the story and the character of Medea, her betrayal of her father for love, and her guilt over it, are all pretty engrossing, even if, in the end, that's only a chunk and not at all the whole of the tale.
What I did notice about the whole thing, and which endlessly fascinated me, is how utterly female the epic is. I swear it reads like a female writer's postmodern sendup of classical epos. The first people the Argonauts meet is a race of women who've slain all their men because the men got too sexually obsessed with the slave girls they stole. Then there's a sea nymph who runs off with one of Herakles' buddies and marries him (rape!), which is how H. gets separated from the crew and drops out of the story. Up on Olympus the only gods concerned with the Argonauts are Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite--this latter who then spurns on her son Eros to make Medea fall in love with Jason and give this "glowing," but otherwise rather bland and quite timorous hero, his only chance of completing his quest theft. I mean, he has to do it as ordered, but it's not a super noble enterprise, is it? Circe, another witch demigoddess, purifies the murderous lovers of the murder of Medea's brother (who caught up with them as they escaped and wanted to take them back to dad to receive justice). Then, at the end, in the final escape from any kind of comeuppance, the goddess tells Jason to stop despairing and lamenting and push on in order to honor the mother who bore him. The Argonauts read this augury as a reference to their ship, the Argo itself, which has carried them in its womb all this time.
So, Iin the end, we have a group of pretty much interchangeable, rather fearful, pessimistic, and not very vivid "heroes," controlled by goddesses, who are helped by women without men to take a journey to the East where they precipitate a drama between a woman (the text's most interesting and vividly drawn character) and her father, a dangerous situation that only other demigoddesses and important female advisors can fix enough to give them a happy homecoming. Fascinating.
PS Yes, I did read this 1919 Loeb Classics edition I picked up when a used bookstore minion back in the 1980s and I've had for years. It's a prose translation I imagine literal enough to aid those reading the original in a learning situation, but not so great for the casual reader. I know there are better modern verse translations, I just can't afford to buy them now and I've been wanting to read this for a very long time. I hope one of those modern verse versions comes my way cheaply enough I can grab it one day for a second reading. Or a philanthropist out there can simply send me one. Thanks in advance!
June 5, 2015
It is hard to pin down why Argo is not a particularly satisfying read. It is unfair to compare any author to Homer, although the style, antiquity, and subject matter of this book invite the comparison. Apollonius is at his best when he is describing scenes like Medea's indecision over whether to go to Jason or obey her father. Unfortunately long sections of the book read like this line from page 180. "Later on, the Bacchiadae, whose native place was Ephyra, settled there too, and the Colchians crossed to an island opposite, only to leave it at a later date and pass over to the Ceraunian Mountains where the Abantes lived, to join the Nestaeans, and so reach Oricum." Beg pardon?
The biggest let down for me was Jason himself. He may be the subject of one of the most popular heroic legends of Ancient Greece, but he doesn't come across as much of a hero. He frequently despairs of completing his quest and returning home and one of his crew men has to encourage him, when as captain he should really be the one encouraging his crew. Most of the great deeds of the journey are performed by other heroes, such as the defeat of the harpies by Zetes and Calais or Tiphys steering the ship through the clashing rocks. Jason's greatest moment, passing the trail of Aeetes, is only made possible by the magic of Medea, not by Jason's cleverness, courage, or strength. Jason is basically just the guy whose existence sets the story in motion and then the other characters provide the great accomplishments.
The biggest let down for me was Jason himself. He may be the subject of one of the most popular heroic legends of Ancient Greece, but he doesn't come across as much of a hero. He frequently despairs of completing his quest and returning home and one of his crew men has to encourage him, when as captain he should really be the one encouraging his crew. Most of the great deeds of the journey are performed by other heroes, such as the defeat of the harpies by Zetes and Calais or Tiphys steering the ship through the clashing rocks. Jason's greatest moment, passing the trail of Aeetes, is only made possible by the magic of Medea, not by Jason's cleverness, courage, or strength. Jason is basically just the guy whose existence sets the story in motion and then the other characters provide the great accomplishments.
June 25, 2016
Written in the C3rd BCE Apollonius' Argonautica revisits and revises Homeric epic and takes a cynical look at the concept of heroism. Here Jason is frequently at a loss, only manages the heroic task through a combination of magic and Medea, and ends up murdering a pursuer - a far cry from either the warlike Achilles or the resourceful Odysseus of epic past.
While being immensely literarily learned (as is the case with other Hellenistic literature) this is still a good read: full of wonders, magic, adventures and exotic set pieces. But a sense of both past versions of these stories (Euripides' Medea, and his Andromache for the future of the marriage between Peleus and Thetis) as well as future texts which deliberately recall Apollonius (Catullus' c.64, Vergil's Aeneid for another version of the epic hero in Aeneas, and even another Medea in Dido) contextualise this text far better than reading it in isolation.
But even if you're not interested in its literary place, it's still a great mythic tale, well told.
While being immensely literarily learned (as is the case with other Hellenistic literature) this is still a good read: full of wonders, magic, adventures and exotic set pieces. But a sense of both past versions of these stories (Euripides' Medea, and his Andromache for the future of the marriage between Peleus and Thetis) as well as future texts which deliberately recall Apollonius (Catullus' c.64, Vergil's Aeneid for another version of the epic hero in Aeneas, and even another Medea in Dido) contextualise this text far better than reading it in isolation.
But even if you're not interested in its literary place, it's still a great mythic tale, well told.
November 24, 2021
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O livro II, em que 茅 apresentado a Medeia e realizado o desafio da l茫 dourada, 茅 sem duvida o mais belo. Medeia 茅 uma personagem fascinante, e tenho pena de a verem apenas como uma bruxa e n茫o como a mulher tra铆da. Sem ela, Jason jamais teria tido sucesso em completar a tarefa. N茫o voltaria a sua terra. A sobrinha de Circe e os argonautas s茫o os verdadeiros her贸is desta obra.
O livro II, em que 茅 apresentado a Medeia e realizado o desafio da l茫 dourada, 茅 sem duvida o mais belo. Medeia 茅 uma personagem fascinante, e tenho pena de a verem apenas como uma bruxa e n茫o como a mulher tra铆da. Sem ela, Jason jamais teria tido sucesso em completar a tarefa. N茫o voltaria a sua terra. A sobrinha de Circe e os argonautas s茫o os verdadeiros her贸is desta obra.
April 1, 2020
My first ancient text and I really enjoyed it! The introduction and explanatory notes were extremely helpful and though I'm sure I missed out on a few references I still had a great time with the story. Definitely one to reread in the future and has spurred me on to tackle the Odessy!
January 15, 2023
An excellent translation of the Hellenistic classic following a troubling hero, a boatful of demigods, and a troubling young lady.
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