Anthony Gottlieb is a British writer, former Executive Editor of The Economist, historian of ideas, and the author of The Dream of Reason. He was educated at Cambridge University and has held visiting fellowships at All Souls College, Oxford, and Harvard University. He has taught at the CUNY Graduate Center and the New School in New York, and been a visiting scholar at New York University and fellow at the Cullman Centre for Scholars and Writers at the New York Public Library. He is a fellow of the New York Institute for the Humanities and the series editor of The Routledge Guides to the Great Books.
I am absolutely floored that people did not give this book five stars. I was so impressed that now that I am done with the book I am planning on turning right around to read it immediately again. Absolutely a new favorite. I have studied the more ancient philosophers very heavily and have never read such beautiful correlations between great minds as put forth by Gottlieb. Extremely simple and very elegant. This is exactly what I was looking for to solidify time periods and thinkers together. I don't care what anyone else says this book was hands down fantastic!
For some reason I鈥檝e always felt essentially uneducated because I didn鈥檛 have a 鈥渃lassical education鈥�. I didn鈥檛 learn Latin or Greek (though I worked a fair way through a Teach Yourself Latin book once when I was reading Ulysses and felt my lack most particularly). I never studied Greek or Roman history either after high school. My interests tended to be contemporary and American. I also only remember taking one philosophy class and it was not very memorable. I鈥檝e read some Plato and Aristotle, The Iliad and the Odyssey and a fair number of Greek plays. I want to read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire but I started it and was lost because I had so little background (though I could see the writing was superb鈥攏o wonder it鈥檚 lasted so long.). Hence my interest in this book.
It鈥檚 well written and even humorous in spots; Gottlieb doesn鈥檛 stand in awe of classical philosophy as a subject or of classical writers because they鈥檙e classical. I鈥檓 not knowledgeable enough to know whether he treats them fairly. It made sense to me. I note that Amazon reviewers rate the book either 5 or 1 which means it鈥檚 probably a book worth looking at, certainly by non-specialists. I was least interested in the pre-Socratics though and most interested, modernist that I am, in the last chapter, called The Haven of Piety: From Late Antiquity to the Renaissance. It was particularly interesting to see how increasingly western philosophy had to 鈥渁ccommodate itself鈥� to Christianity. The themes were not all that different from controversies which have been raging ever since, no matter how often they were put to rest, like whether the world was created all at once by God or existed or evolved independently.
Two things this book reminded me of particularly. First that philosophy first embraced all learning and only later separated itself out into first philosophy and theology and later into literature and science and history and mathematics, etc. etc. It was particularly interesting to see the evolution of science out of what was called 鈥渘atural philosophy鈥� and to discover that pre-Socratic philosophers first came up with the 鈥渁tomistic theory鈥濃€攁 crude hypothesis about the 鈥渢iny particles鈥� that made up all matter. Secondly, it reminded me that in the period that we call the 鈥淒ark Ages鈥� in Europe, much of the learning of the classical period was preserved and advanced by Arab scholars. It鈥檚 so easy to forget, in today鈥檚 focus on fundamental Islamist politics that glorious period of academic brilliance in the Arab world
I will confess to having a degree in Philosophy, which, from a practical stand point, may seem kind of pointless. My father certainly thought so when I was in college. 'What are you going to do with that?' he would say. 'There's no jobs in it.' His degree was in accounting and he worked as an auditor. He knew about money. And because he did, I didn't feel I needed to. That was back when I was young and not especially aware of the need to actually earn an income of my own some day. My insufferable reply was usually something like, 'I'm going to college for an education, not for job training.' Yeah, great comeback. Very philosophical, but try paying the rent with it!
Admittedly, a degree in Philosophy isn't for everyone, but we all have a philosophy, at least as it's broadly defined. We each have a particular way of looking at the world, complete with reasons (or at least rationalizations) of why we see it this way. Our personal philosophies form the foundations of everything we think and do. They color our perceptions and shape our actions. In this respect, our philosophies are pretty important, so sparing a thought or two for them is probably worthwhile.
In this book, Gottlieb takes us back to some of the earliest recorded reflections on ways of seeing the world, from ideas about what it 'really' is, to how people should live in it. I don't recall ever reading a better summation of the main points of the most prominent thinkers: from ancient Greece (where all sorts of ideas, both wild and insightful were espoused and criticized) to the Renaissance (when rationalization tended to dominate over rationality). He also clears up a few common misconceptions about some philosophers. I, personally, gained a greater appreciation for Aristotle from this book. Like many, I tended to view his philosophy as one of the things impeding progress in the Middle Ages. But it wasn't the fault of Aristotle or Ptolemy or Galen that their works were regarded as something close to sacred long after their deaths, and they probably would not have approved to learn that they were.
The Dream of Reason is a great read. It's concise, informative, even entertaining. Gottlieb achieves the latter through clear prose and by providing just a bit of analysis from a modern perspective, which puts the ideas he's explaining in context and shows their progression over time. If you're a student of philosophy or just someone with a mild interest, you should read this.
One of the things that I wish that I could have had in my youth is a classical education. Economic impracticality aside, at the time I did not even know that such a thing even existed so needless to say it was impossible on multiple levels. Over the years though I've tried to supplement the gaps in my knowledge with a basic overview of classical philosophy, provided by people like Bertrand Russell, Will Durant and Arthur Herman. I've noticed other people doing this today through YouTube popularizers of vastly uneven quality. Classical knowledge has a growing prestige in our minds today. That makes sense given the epistemological crisis that we are collectively experiencing.
Perhaps since I've already read many similar surveys, this book did not reveal much about classical philosophy that I was not already familiar with. It did teach me a valuable lesson though: how not to write a book. It's not that the writing was bad, it was fine. It is just that there was nothing impelling the book along. There was no original argument or contention underlying the chapter discussions. They were just like individual Wikipedia articles stacked on top of each other without any necessary relationship. Maybe I am asking a lot, but in Arthur Herman's sublime The Cave and the Light he manages to make a compelling argument for the continuing relevance and dynamism of Platonic and Aristotelian thought in the present day. In comparison this book by Gottlieb is like an encyclopedia. That is, superfluous in the age of the cloud.
Gottlieb has a certain contempt or dismissiveness towards many of the ancient philosophers he is writing about. This critically undermines the book in my opinion. To put it this way: if some obscure ancient guy was just wrong and believed a bunch of nonsense with no impact on the present day; why should we care about them then? Just vanity knowledge? It actually needs to be explained afresh, or with some enthusiasm for he subject.
The author's own apparent positivistic/materialistic leanings are not so subtly expressed throughout the book. If your own beliefs are similar it might make the overall discussion more tolerable. To be fair, I always appreciate the effort to present anew old knowledge. It is vital and needs to be done for every generation, lest they fall under the sway of charlatans. And it's not that this book is without redeeming qualities 鈥� it does teach you the basics of Aristotle and Plato for example. But if you are a philistine who feels pained by your lack of classical knowledge please read The Cave and the Light instead. You will get something more clearly meaningful, relevant and enjoyable out of it.
One can learn Philosophy best of all by going to the primary sources themselves and studying them, but by doing it that way the student losses the context and the relationship between the different schools of thought and how a school of thought relates to the others of its time period and how it is relevant today. The author, a journalist, does that connecting for the reader by analyzing what each school of thought says and how it connects giving the reader the modern perspective the school requires.
I can give a for instance what the author does with the school of thought with the Skeptics. First he puts them in the context after the Socratics and why they relate as they do, then he shows the contrast they had with the Epicureans and Stoics, and then how they relate to the Logical Positivists of the relatively modern Vienna Circle by the fact that the Skeptics see the world at most by the empirical facts based upon the absolute foundation and aren't necessarily needing the theory (theoria, the binding glue that holds the world together by a narrative or description) to understand the world (Hume, a Skeptic and empiricist would say you never can see the effect, just the cause, and the vase staying upon the table is all that you can really see and the 'gravity' is not materially real and is just a 'construct', a narrative, within the mind).
I think the author some what excels at explaining each school of thought and putting the context and relevance in its proper place. I think Bertrand Russel and Will Durant each have written a very similar book as this one and did as good or better job. I'm not sure if there was anything really new within this book that wasn't in the other two books, but he is a good writer and the book is an interesting read.
(The author really likes the short play "The Clouds" by Aristophanes and must have mentioned it 10 times with the pre-Socratics and the Socratics. I would recommend listening to the free version available at LibriVox before listening to this story since it is entertaining, laugh out loud funny, free, and is such a big part of the narrative to the first part of this book).
An enjoyable read. I did get lost, especially with the Ancient philosophers, where many, many names were mentioned, but what was a serious eye opener was how Anthony Gottlieb took these philosophers down from their high pedestals and talked about them in more earthly tones; I was always under the impression that Plato was this super human being who has done much for Western thinking, though not that he isn鈥檛 but now he seems more human to me. However, it didn鈥檛 stop there as Anthony Gottlieb described the unfolding of Western philosophy, he gave many examples of how its reporting has been altered and it didn鈥檛 quite happen in how it鈥檚 popularly spoken of. Both these elements I found helpful in making the difference to make this subject less intimidating.
Really good summary of western philosopher before the Renaissance.
1. Earliest philosophy is 6th c. BC in Miletus, allegedly predicting a solar eclipse. 2. c. 500 BC, the Pythagoreans studied the harmony of the universe and worshipped numbers. 3. Heraclitus (540-480 BC): one cannot step twice in the same river. 4. Parmenides wrongly believed we can鈥檛 talk about non-existence. A good joke about nobody (p. 56). 5. Zeno is Parmenides鈥檚 student and had an infinity paradox refuted every century. 6. Empedocles (no note). 7. Anaxagora (500-428 BC) developed materialist thinking which led to 鈥渁tomists鈥� Leucippus and Democritus. 8. Atomists: Incidentally, the latter reached the conclusion of the paradox of Zeno is wrong because he assumed everything can be divided ad infinitum. 9. Sophists: One of the first to teach all kinds of things and earn money is Protagoras. Before this time, sophists meant wise men and sages. Plato is against their unprincipled approach of teaching practical success. In one of his plays, Aristophanes framed Socrates as a sophist. 10. 4 main witnesses of Socrates鈥檚 thought: Plato, Xenophon, Aristophanes, and Aristotle. Xenophon implausibly tried to pass on his own tips about farming and military tactics through the figure of Socrates. If X tried too hard to make S respectable, Aristophanes tried the opposite. S鈥檚 character strength is his weakness in philosophy: he believes that once people really know justice, they would immediately become just themselves. Plato describes Cynic Diogenes as S gone mad. 11. Plato鈥檚 Academy teaches well-off elite who were hungry for higher education. The utopia in the Republic is in one sense not ideal. What he is really urged is no more than what guides a prudent parent: we don鈥檛 allow children to be free until we establish a constitution in them, just as in a city, we try to equip them with a guardian and rule within them to take our place. For Plato, being rational does not primarily mean being calculating and intellectual. Greek reason is not cold, but hot. It has been aptly defined as 鈥渢hat in a man which enables him to live for something鈥�. 12. Aristotle: 1. His contribution in logic and biology stands above other contributions. 2. He writes like a modern professor (because we copied dutifully his style). So much so, someone aptly said 鈥淎鈥檚 works are full of platitudes in much the same way as Shakespeare鈥檚 Hamlet is full of quotations鈥�. 3. His concepts of 4 causes, quintessence. 4. His syllogism is perhaps due to Socrates鈥檚 style of argument. It needs to be complemented by propositional logic. 5. To A, virtue is the ability to steer a middle course between defect and excess. 6. To A, a good life will require a certain minimum of material comfort and general good fortune, but the crucial thing is to do all the characteristically human things well and from the right motives. Such a life will bring the sort of pleasures that a wise man judges to be best. A new twist is added to the story when it emerges that one particular activity is even more valuable than the rest, so that the very best form of life would be the one devoted to that. This activity turns out to be (risking a bit of self-serving on A鈥檚 part) theoria: intellectual contemplation. 7. Mere rational argument is not enough. Virtue is a matter of character, which is in turn a matter of habits. 8. In A鈥檚 view, poetry (脿 la Iliad and Oedipus Tyrannus) is something more worthy of serious attention than history (by which he means mere particular facts). 13. Epicurean, Stoics, and Skeptics. Aristotle died one day after his student AtG. The subsequent Hellenistic period brought a new era in philosophy in which it is above all a guide to life and source of comfort. Though a bit too oversimplified, the following Victorian profiles of Epicureans and Stoics are quite useful: 1. There have ever been stern, upright, self-controlled, and courageous men, actuated by a pure sense of duty, capable of high efforts of self-sacrifice, somewhat intolerant of the frailties of others, somewhat hard and unsympathizing in the ordinary intercourse of society, but rising to heroic grandeur as the storm lowered upon their path, and more ready to relinquish life than the cause they believed to be true. There have also always been men of easy tempers and of amiable dis-position, gentle, benevolent, and pliant, cordial friends and forgiving enemies, selfish at heart, yet ever ready, when it is possible, to unite their gratifications with those of others, averse to all enthusiasm, mysticism, utopias, and superstition, with little depth of character or capacity for self-sacrifice, but admirably fitted to impart and to receive enjoyment, and to render the course of life easy and harmonious. The first are by nature Stoics, and the second Epicureans. 2. On the other hand, the earliest Skeptics were hoping to find tranquillity by finding out the truth about things. They were unable to find the truth, so they gave up and suspended judgement-whereupon they instantly started to feel better. Thus it turns out to be the suspension of judgement, and not the pursuit of inquiry, which brings contentment. 14. Late antiquity and the Middle Ages: By year 1000, all branches of knowledge collapse in the west. Christianity bears some blame as it emphasizes that the only thing to know about the world is that it鈥檚 made by God. During this period, Hypatia鈥檚 story is recycled onto St. Catherine of Alexandria. There were already argument against heavier objects falling much faster than lighter ones (by Philoponus), 1000 years before Galileo. 15. Renaissance: By that time, Platonists restored love of math and also venerated sun. These help prepared the ground for 17th.c. development. Mid 15th. C., European books numbered in the 1000s, by the end of the century, there were at least 10M in circulation. Luther and the Protestants unleashed the 鈥渉ow do you know鈥� question. Montaigne brought the issue to a wider audience. Both Descartes and Bacon resolved to try and put human knowledge on a firmer footing.
so my man Harjan Singh at the BK lounge on Manor Park Rd be all lyk "Lookie here paji: I'm not saying that Aristotelean syllogism necessitates the interminable pretzels of dem analyticz, but all Whopperz be teh cholesterol; all Harjan Singhz be da Whopperz; ergo all Harjan Singhz be the cholesterol. Yar wut u eat, boiiieeee." Indeed, the man had a point, spumey froth of mustard oozing from his lips, and who was I to argue the niceties of Medieval theologians, pan-seared or otherwise? Lamentably, I digress; Goobles presents a swarthy survey, less curmudgeonly than the Roosel yet chock with verve. Kudos, fine sir!
This is an enjoyable and thorough overview of Western Philosophy from its origins in Greek Asia Minor up through the 16th century. Gottlieb has dug in and his deep understanding of the schools of thought and their intricate relationships makes this the ideal book to get the timelines straight without just skimming the surface.
I can't decide if his humor (which I like) detracts a little from the grandeur of the subject or makes what could be an overwhelming trudge much lighter. I think I just decided, when in doubt go with humor, that's my philosophy.
I'm interested in the current revival of Stoic philosophy. There is a Stoic Week and good discussions led by Massimo Pigliucci on youtube and blogs.
Gottlieb鈥檚 focus is on the ancient Greeks who laid out the main themes found in Western philosophy, including whether ultimate reality is something that transcends the natural world. The Milesians (Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes) first articulated the materialist side of this debate by dispensing with supernatural explanations and looking for the 鈥渘atural causes of things.鈥� Parmenides and Pythagoras provided an alternative reality, a world of eternal oneness that superseded the world of senses, change and multitude.
The book鈥檚 title, 鈥淭he Dream of Reason,鈥� captures this debate between these two metaphysical positions, but the meaning of 鈥淒ream鈥� and 鈥淩eason鈥� is ambiguous. For the Milesians and their successors, reason was about looking for the material, logical linkages between cause and effect. It was a mind frame that would lead to Western science and the progressive explanation about how the material world worked. This was one way to define the 鈥渄ream of reason.鈥�
Plato鈥檚 鈥渞eason鈥� was the other. Here, Gottlieb鈥檚 account is problematic. 鈥淲hat struck Plato about the objects dealt with in mathematics,鈥� Gottlieb writes, 鈥渋s that they are ideal, eternal, unchanging and pleasingly independent of earthly, visible things.鈥� This is the world of Forms and it鈥檚 difficult to read the dialogues without this as the overarching perspective. But Gottlieb does not go there. Socrates, the dominant voice in Plato鈥檚 dialogues, is said by Gottlieb to be a figure who is not interested in the cosmic underpinnings of philosophy. The dialogues were, he says, 鈥済enerally explanatory discussions鈥� by Socrates about how we 鈥渙ught to live鈥� and that, in a 鈥渘on-dogmatic鈥� way, Socrates was interested only in questioning established wisdom and ferreting out the truth through dialogue. Though this is the standard account of Socrates, it is counter to what Gottlieb says elsewhere and what one might gather from reading of Socrates, directly, without filters, in the dialogues. (1) For his interpretation of Socrates鈥� views, Gottlieb relies mainly on Plato who, he writes, put 鈥渕ystical glasses on Socrates鈥� and eventually, 鈥渃oming under the influence of Italian Pythagoreans,..invoked the name of Socrates to expound on all sorts of subjects.鈥�
Gottlieb steers his presentation on Plato away from any other-worldly orientation. Early on, commenting on the similarities between Plato鈥檚 philosophy and the Christianity that developed a few centuries later, Gottlieb notes that 鈥渢he [Platonic] God of the Timaeus鈥� could be misinterpreted as 鈥渢he God of Genesis,鈥� stating that,鈥淩eading Plato without biblical blinkers, we can see that this required plenty of imaginative interpretation.鈥� Gottlieb then notes the 鈥渟pecific differences鈥� where this is so. While it鈥檚 not surprising that there would be differences in specific details between Genesis and Plato, it does not take 鈥渂iblical blinkers鈥� to reasonably speculate about the Christian roots in Plato's thought - the notion of another world, the badness of this world, the need to perfect our being to be worthy of an ascent to this higher world. (2) Now 鈥渢he dream of reason鈥� means something other than what Gottlieb conveys. In Gottlieb鈥檚 take on Plato, happiness is the rule of reason. It鈥檚 to 鈥渞ule oneself properly.鈥� Is that, though, about this world? Or is it about mirroring the world of Forms, of Perfection and Harmony that stand in contrast to 鈥渆arthly good鈥� and the 鈥渞elativist and subjectivist Sophists?鈥�
鈥淔or the first twelve centuries of the Christian era,鈥� Gottlieb states, 鈥渢he Timaeus formed the basis of most cosmology in the West鈥� and 鈥減hilosophy...remained more or less the slave of Christianity.鈥� He calls this 鈥渁 posthumous conversion of Plato.鈥� From 529 A.D. (the Roman ban on non-Christian philosophy), he says that 鈥淩eason got sidetracked by faith.鈥� Commenting on Proclus鈥檚 Elements of Theology, this was all about an attempt of 鈥渁ntiquity to provide an elaboration of the 鈥楶latonic鈥� system that had sprouted on Plato鈥檚 grave.鈥� Gottlieb tells us that these reputed other-worldly elements stem from Neoplatonism, a term coined in the 19th century to refer to those religious elements that, in Gottlieb鈥檚 words, went 鈥渂eyond anything found in Plato.鈥�
In Gottlieb鈥檚 view, Plato 鈥渄id little more than gesture towards a higher world.鈥� Gottlieb rescues Plato from Christianity by having Plato鈥檚 thought reflect a more modern-day conception of reason, one that is stripped of mysticism yet alludes to an independent, objective reality nonetheless. (3) For Gottlieb, the antecedents of this modern-day perspective on Plato go back to the atomists and to Aristotle. (4) After the long Christian interlude, this tradition was resuscitated in the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, which began the process that would 鈥渞eplace faith with earthly reason.鈥� In the end, the reader of Gottlieb鈥檚 book is left with the impression that the reason of Plato was reunited with the reason of science.
But it could be argued just as well that such reconciliation never happened and that a good part of the ancient debate about the two conceptions of 鈥淩eason鈥� continues to this day. In science, this ambivalence is not consequential as reason is applied to understanding cosmic realities regardless of their ultimate origin and it鈥檚 not uncommon to learn of mathematicians and scientists who are drawn to something like Plato鈥檚 Forms. In moral philosophy, though, it is different. Some Plato adherents posit the existence of a universal and eternal moral realm, which is accessed by reason in Plato鈥檚 sense. For many, that world has been seriously undermined by modern-day science that operates, comfortably, within a purposeless universe. Without Plato鈥檚 overarching firmament, what happens then to moral philosophy? Is it the relativism of the Sophists or is it, worse, nihilism? But in a Platonic framework we are not able to look to science for answers. That鈥檚 a subjectivism that is not allowed, even though, along with the problem of self-interest, the foundation for philosophical values and principles such as freedom and equality, compassion and mutual respect are embedded in, or logically derived from, who we are as biological beings.
(1) A straight-up reading of Socrates in the dialogues can reveal a man on a mission, a man with a hidden agenda, a man who engages in one-way dialogue. In other words, not a person one might want to hang out with.
(2) Of Marsilio Ficino鈥檚 translation (1484) that 鈥渂rought Plato back into circulation鈥� Gottlieb writes that, 鈥淟ike St Augustine, Ficino believed that Platonism contained important anticipations of Christianity.鈥�
(3) See Frank M. Turner, The Greek Heritage in Victorian Britain (1981), for a discussion of 19th century efforts to rehabilitate Plato鈥檚 thought.
(4) Gottlieb is excellent in his treatment of Aristotle, correcting the misimpression given by a mechanistic conception of life that humans are not goal-driven beings: 鈥淗aving Darwinian details does not mean that we can do without Aristotle鈥檚 final causes. Quite the reverse: the mechanism of natural selection spells out how nature involves final causes, not how it can dispense with them鈥�.Bacon, and many others since, have said that Aristotelian final causes are a piece of juvenile rubbish that has to be cleared out of the way before any grown-up science can move in. This may be true of the pseudo-Artistotelian final causes of some of his followers, but not of Aristotle鈥檚 own.鈥�
鈥淭he Dream of Reason鈥� by Anthony Gottlieb is a comprehensive book which scrupulously explores the philosophy of the Greeks to the Renaissance period. Admittedly, I did struggle through the early pre-Socratic chapters a bit. Thales (the water guy), Heraclitus, Anaxagoras, Democritus and their collective atomic musings, frankly, didn鈥檛 really do it for me; but I suppose the fact that they were even talking about atoms in 4th century Athens is worthy of a bit of respect!
Interestingly, the Sophists were cast in an entirely different light by Gottlieb, not necessarily the scourge of the earth as Plato and Aristotle would condemn them. Gottlieb explains the practical applications of Sophist teachings on rhetoric, and how their contributions to theories of morality - particularly in the context of law and jurisprudence - cannot be dismissed as merely subversive teachings. Also exonerated are the Epicureans, who apparently were quite partial to a bit of physics when they weren鈥檛 indulging in more carnal pleasures.
The Stoics were covered a tad prosaically for my taste; a slightly rudimentary 鈥渙h do I have to, they鈥檙e not that good鈥�. Interestingly, Gottlieb notes Cicero as being quite philosophically capricious, bit of a fence-sitter as it would turn out; half-epicurean, half-stoic - my eyebrow imperceptibly rose under the incandescence of the lamplight, and I damn near lost a half-soaked digestive biscuit to the murky depths of my scolding tea on learning of this revelation dear reader.
Of course, Plato and Aristotle take centre stage, and their respective philosophies are assiduously balanced and explained with refreshing clarity. If you have read the Platonic dialogues or Aristotle鈥檚 ethics, these chapters will serve as an indispensable supplementary refresher. Gottlieb is adept at preempting the questions that invariably arise in our minds and elucidating conflicting aspects of philosophical theories. He explains what issues were resolved, at least temporarily, by the work of one thinker, and what questions their philosophy engendered.
鈥淭he Dream of Reason鈥� ends up reading like a continuous dialogue between the entire pantheon of philosophers throughout the ages. We end up in the Middle Ages after centuries of theologians squabbling amongst themselves or ganging up on the reject basket of mystics, alchemists, astrologists, and Neoplatonists, ironically enough, almost back where we started - as Platonic and Aristotelian ideas are incorporated into or reconciled with Christianity. The extent to which Plato鈥檚 Forms and Aristotle鈥檚 ideas on substance/matter have influenced and shaped Christian thought is far greater than I think most people realise.
He makes some shallow and, I think, unnecessary criticisms of religion throughout the book, even when it seems like a side track.
For example, the implication that Milesian philosophers are somehow more rational for trying to explain things via naturalism seems absurd. Why should the reader think a naturalistic explanation is more rational than an agential one? This criticism seems more poignant since the Milesian theories often seem even more absurd than some of the agential theories they would have had access to.
Gottlieb also implies that these naturalistic explanations are superior than the overly complex and mysterious godidit explanations. But how is "waterdidit" simpler and less mysterious? Or how about undefined-substance-did-it??
These sort of quick surface-level criticisms of religion and, specifically, Christianity, are present throughout the book.
His treatment of the Greeks is pretty good. It would be great, but his bias against any form of supernaturalism leads him to take a revisionist approach towards the supernaturalism that was present in Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and virtually every other thinker he covers.
Of course, according to Gottlieb, respectable minds like Socrates and Plato couldn't have seriously entertained ideas about gods and being commissioned by gods. After all, that would mean they were superstitious "goddidit" types, and we know they were too smart for that sort of thing. So when we read anything in their writings about gods or the supernatural, we have to realize that they didn't really mean any of that. Of course, that's absurd and one could apply Gottlieb's methodology to also try and prove that Moses or any of the other biblical authors didn't really believe in God.
His treatment of Medieval philosophy is horrible. His attitude towards it is summed up in the following: "Given limited time and space, most medieval philosophy is best left to slumber in its arguably dark and undeniably thorny forrest" (348). Although he does admit that "to imply that the best minds of the medieval West had produced nothing of any 'substance or profit' was going too far" (ibid; said in references to other criticisms of medieval philosophy).
Basically, I think Gottlieb sees the "dream of reason" dying in the medieval era. It was only fully alive with those Greeks who took a naturalistic view of the world, but this is partly just wishful thinking on Gottlieb's part. There was no naturalism in any of the thinkers that he covers, at least not in the modern sense of the word. And why did philosophy start to die off? Well because virtually all of the prominent philosophers from then on were Christian, supernaturalist godidit types. For example, "In one sense, Augustine turned back the clock of intellectual history" (383). Why? Because he believed in stories about God (384).
One begins to suspect that for Gottlieb the history of "the dream of reason" is a history of the battle between faith and reason. But this wouldn't be too fair. Gottlieb doesn't seem to consciously set out to write the book in this way. He's no Sam Harris or Christopher Hitchens. Rather, he simply has a prejudice against religion and he lets that come out clearly in his evaluative remarks throughout the book.
I guess I can't fault him too much for that. He has every right to give his evaluations of the matters and if he thinks religion is the bane of reason he has every right to say so. But I disagree and I don't think his criticisms were very reasonable.
I also didn't like the note format. There were not endnote markings in the book (and I prefer footnotes) and aside from his block-quotes, it was very hard to tell when he was paraphrasing something a philosopher said or whether this was just his own spin on the philosopher's words. And given his clear bias, it would be nice to distinguish the two.
If he treated the medieval philosophers with the same respect that he treated the Greeks and if he had toned down the surface level shots at religion, I would have given the book at least 4 stars. I would like to give it at least 2 1/2, since I thought it was more than just "okay," but that option isn't available.
This three-star review is the product of my completist tendencies. The book I really wanted to read is the sequel, Gottlieb's The Dream of Enlightenment, and I should have just started there. Gottlieb is a former journalist, and I love his writing: entertaining and to-the-point and frequently points out nonsense. But the book spends so much time on pre-Socratic philosophers鈥攖hose very ancient Greeks who were just making shit up with no discipline鈥攁nd I don't care about them AT ALL. The rest of the book was an excellent refresher on Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. In particular, Gottlieb has rehabilitated Aristotle in my eyes. What an ambitious thinker! I had no idea that we still have millions of his words intact, which is wonderful even if he was convinced that ladies have fewer teeth (?!?!) than gentlemen.
I was also interested to learn about the Stoics and Epicureans, which are both pretty interesting and totally misrepresented by the zeitgeist. Whatever associations you have with them are likely wrong.
So yes, in these troubled times, this book is a mostly soothing look back at ancient naval-gazers. Plato's discussion of tyrants was a bit of a gut-punch, but hey, it still rings true after all these centuries.
I was not very enthusiastic about this book to start with; I agreed with some of the reviews that there was a lot of interpretation from the author. However, a few chapters into the book, I started to find this a strength. It certainly is not a history book like the Copleston-series (or even Russell), but it provides much more context. Some parts were very well written. To name just a few: Plato on democracy; Aristotle鈥檚 logic, Epicurism. The book could use a better editor, as there are some simple factual mistakes. E.g. the elementary particles are not divided into two classes of quarks and leptons (p108). Such minor mistakes are not sufficient to give anything less than 5 stars.
It took me a while to finish, but it was definitely worth the read. I would recommend this book to anyone who wants to learn/read something about philosophy, but doesn't know where to begin. It is a difficult read because of its subject, not its writer. Gottlieb writes about philosophy as if it is a story, offers interesting and funny comments, and repeats himself to make the content of his writing more accessible. I have never enjoyed reading scholarly writing this much.
The Dream of Reason takes a human, popular view at philosophy from the ancient Greeks forward to the Renaissance, treating this conversation as one of wise, fallible, and occasionally funny humans through the ages. These were people grappling with Big Questions, namely what is the universe made of, how did it come to be, and how do people lead meaningful lives, and while their answers do not match modern understandings, they are foundational. For someone with a fairly weak background in philosophy, especially the older stuff, it's a good supplement to a missed classical education.
The first few chapters, on the pre-Socratics, are necessarily weaker, given that the surviving works of these authors is measured in a few hundred lines, and sometimes even a handful of direct words and a maze of quotations and commentaries. The book fully arrives with Socrates, who's method of systematic questioning set the form for much of what follows. Plato and Aristotle get detailed overviews as well, with their foundational works on ethics, metaphysics, as well as more practical topics like logic and biology.
What follows after the big three is less good. Gottlieb has less sympathy for the efforts of the stoics, epicureans, and skeptics to flesh out frameworks in the wake of Aristotle. Medieval theology, and the effort to synthesize non-heretical Christian theology with neoplatonist mysticism is mostly a dead end. One thing which I learned was that the scientific reaction against Aristotle was more rhetoric than reality. Aristotle couldn't have been the stifling authority on Western learning during the Middle Ages, because he was almost lost entirely, only being preserved by Arab philosophers (a sadly absent chapter). The abstruse commentary style of the scholastics has little in common with Aristotle, who can be tedious, but is generally a model of clarity. While Aristotle's physics lack the tools of quantified measurement which make modern physics work, he was a dedicated empiricist.
Fun and informative, and not exactly unbiased, The Dream of Reason is a solid introduction and overview.
I鈥檝e read of lot of greek and Roman histories, but my lack knowledge of the ancient philosophers caused me to pick up this book. I was looking for a general survey so that I could pick and choose the thinkers that I wanted to learn about. Gottlieb does an amazing job of summarizing the different schools of thought and personalities of over a thousand years of thought. There is a lot to digest here, but the narrative flows well and I鈥檝e already learned so much.
I took me nearly 5 months to finish this book and it only has 500 pages. This is not always the book's fault. Sometimes my life is too hectic to focus on reading a certain book or books in general. This time, it was the book's fault.
You see, I love philosophy. I studied it for a couple of semester. Being familiar with the basic facts I don't expect too learn lots of new things but I believe you can always find something new to think about. Even a book like this which promised a general overview on western philosophy. In fact, is an all-time favorite of mine.
When I first picked up the book I liked it. The part on early Greek philosophy was well-written and offered some new insights. However, the book became difficult once it reached Socrates and lost me with Plato. Honestly, I love to read about Socrates, Plato and Aristotle but the author managed to write lots of different aspects together without a central theme. The chapters were longer than necessary and instead of focusing on certain topics the author tried to talk about all the aspects. Seriously, you can only do one thing. Either write a book on Plato and his philosophy and discuss everything in detail or focus on some parts. All the information was just thrown in there and I believe it would have been more than difficult to follow the author's discussion if I hadn't known about them that much beforehand. For me, it was more than confusing because I can't understand why any author would want to cram all the information together.
In the end, the book is not all bad. I liked the beginning and enjoyed the ending. It was the middle part that killed any joy I had. Luckily, there are awesome books on philosophy out there and I look forward to pick up another one.
A powerhouse of a study on the foundation and evolution of western philosophy. Beginning with pre-Socratic thinkers and going all the way up to post-Reformation theologians, Gottlieb takes the reader on a journey of critical examination through the names many people hear, but seldom take the time to understand.
The bulk of the book naturally covers Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, but later delves into the writings and discoveries of these thinkers' followers, notably the Epicureans, Stoics, and Cynics. We then see how middle-age Christianity largely pushed aside these Hellenistic writers, and then their re-emergence in the time of the Renaissance and beyond.
Gottlieb not only provides a history of what these thinkers thought and said, but impressively compares their notions of reality, science, God, etc. in a way that highlights the important similarities and differences. We see where certain schools of thought built off of and diverged from each other. Ultimately, the reader is able to see how throughout the long march of time, our notions of justice, morality, virtue, pleasure, purpose, etc. came about and evolved. To a casual reader such as myself, this book occasionally got bogged down in mundane specifics. Overall, however, it was a highly-enjoyable read and one that I will probably read again at some time in the future.
Gottlieb does not live up to his name (i.e. he does not like God)! His presentation of ancient philosophy is both profoundly erudite and interesting to read/listen. But his evaluation of anything Christian from late antiquity to the 16th century is dishonest and quite shameful. He certainly let his emotions get the hold of him and ruined what started as a fantastic history of philosophy.
This book is similar to Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy, however I think this one does justice to Aristotle. It finishes just before Ren茅 Descartes. The author has promised another volume that covers the later philophers.