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Dune #2-3

袦械褋褋懈褟 袛褞薪褘. 袛械褌懈 袛褞薪褘

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袙 泻薪懈谐褍 胁泻谢褞褔械薪褘 胁褌芯褉芯泄 懈 褌褉械褌懈泄 褉芯屑邪薪褘 懈蟹 褕械褋褌懈, 薪邪锌懈褋邪薪薪褘褏 肖褉褝薪泻芯屑 啸械褉斜械褉褌芯屑 芯 锌谢邪薪械褌械 袛褞薪邪: "袦械褋褋懈褟 袛褞薪褘" 懈 "袛械褌懈 袛褞薪褘".

608 pages, Hardcover

First published January 1, 1979

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Frank Herbert

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Franklin Patrick Herbert Jr. was an American science fiction author best known for the 1965 novel Dune and its five sequels. Though he became famous for his novels, he also wrote short stories and worked as a newspaper journalist, photographer, book reviewer, ecological consultant, and lecturer.
The Dune saga, set in the distant future, and taking place over millennia, explores complex themes, such as the long-term survival of the human species, human evolution, planetary science and ecology, and the intersection of religion, politics, economics and power in a future where humanity has long since developed interstellar travel and settled many thousands of worlds. Dune is the best-selling science fiction novel of all time, and the entire series is considered to be among the classics of the genre.

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437 reviews154 followers
May 1, 2023
Paul is now omnipotent but has trouble getting his consort pregnant and gets blinded so must be half omnipotent which is impossible. Not much at all about the worms which I found fascinating in Dune #1. Most often read phrase is "you speak in riddles." This leads to lots of confusion in the narrative.
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449 reviews11 followers
June 9, 2024
3.85 - Dune: Messiah ends with the birth of Paul's children Leto II & Ghanima. At the end of Messiah Paul loses his ability to see and since Paul follows the Fremen way of life, he is sent to the desert. The book ends as Paul walks off to his unknown fate, and Alia ultimately becomes a mother figure to her niece and nephew. This book was a short but interesting one to end Paul Atreides reign on Dune, and introduce us to the future of Dune.
In Children of Dune we heavily follow Alia and Leto II as they narrate. Alia ultimately loses herself to the spice and her grandfather Baron corrupts her mind from the afterlife, which causes Jessica to return to Dune.
The events that happen in Children of Dune leave us with Leto II accepting the worm suit and deciding to give himself up to the worms of Dune, preserving him and Dune. This leads us into the future by 1,500 years... Due to Leto II adopting the worms suit and years later he has become a tyrant.
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316 reviews6 followers
April 15, 2020
Like 'Dune', I read these 2 sequels many years ago and wanted to re-aquaint myself to the saga. 'Dune Messiah' was originally written in 1969 and 'Children of Dune' written in 1976, but I'm looking at the Science Fiction Book Club version that I picked up in 2002 for my son.

If you didn't like the original 'Dune', you won't much like these either. But if you were caught up in Herbert's desert world of Dune, then these 2 additions are a welcome fleshing out of his vision. (Sorry for the pun.)

Like 'Dune', Herbert weaves threads of religion, ecology, personal relationships and prescience into a compelling (if oft confusing) narrative mostly following the Atreides family. To me, one of the signs of a good book is one's disappointment in finishing because you wish it would continue. Both of these stories fit the bill. Now that I've once again finished these trio of stories, I'll see if I can find my old copy of 'God Emperor...' somewhere. I wish to continue the saga.
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7,226 reviews52 followers
July 21, 2022
DUNE MESSIAH
This sequel is better than the first. Plot moves faster and had all the spiciness that GRRM uses to flavour his ASOIAF.
鈥� 鈥淚 told him that to endure oneself may be the hardest task in the universe.鈥� 鈥� Hayt/Duncan, the ghola.
鈥� 鈥淚鈥檝e heard enough sad histories of gods and messiahs.鈥� 鈥� Paul
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鈥� 鈥淭ruth suffers from too much analysis. -Ancient Fremen Saying鈥�
鈥淓mpires do not suffer emptiness of purpose at the time of their creation. It is when they have become established that aims are lost and replaced by vague ritual.鈥� -Words of Muad'dib by Princess Irulan.鈥�
鈥� 鈥淚f you need something to worship, then worship life - all life, every last crawling bit of it! We're all in this beauty together!鈥�
鈥淐onstitutions become the ultimate tyranny," Paul said. "They鈥檙e organized power on such a scale as to be overwhelming. The constitution is social power mobilized and it has no conscience. It can crush the highest and the lowest, removing all dignity and individuality. It has an unstable balance point and no limitations.鈥�

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CHILDREN OF DUNE
There is plenty of weirdness in this novel. As readers we get attached to, or repulsed by, the characters we encounter. So there is always a sense of disappointment when they do not meet up to expectations.
The plot is much slower, and the internal monologues of philosophy or calculated manoeuvring fill most of the novel.
Herbert鈥檚 descriptions of the dunes is captivating: 鈥淚t was difficult to take his gaze away from the sands, the dunes鈥攖he great emptiness. Here at the edge of the sand lay a few rocks, but they led the imagination outward into the winds, the dust, the sparse and lonely plants and animals, dune merging into dune, desert into desert.鈥�
Good story, but I am just wondering if I should proceed with the fourth book if the quality begins to diminish.

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鈥� 鈥淗e possessed inherited memories which could inflict him with profound nostalgia for that beautiful planet where House Atreides had ruled.鈥� (p29)
鈥� 鈥淏eyond the oasis, he could see in this failing light the land Fremen called "The Emptiness" 鈥� the land where nothing grows, the land never fertile.鈥� (p31)
鈥� 鈥淚gnorance has its advantages. A universe of surprises is what I pray for!鈥� 鈥� Leto II (p97)
鈥� 鈥淕ood government never depends upon laws, but upon the personal qualities of those who govern. The machinery of government is always subordinate to the will of those who administer that machinery. The most important element of government, therefore, is the method of choosing leaders.鈥� (p154)
鈥� 鈥淭here鈥檚 no real mystery about this at the moment. This is what we want now. It may prove wrong later, but we鈥檒l correct that when we come to it.鈥� The full quote is: 鈥淎bove all else, the mentat must be a generalist, not a specialist. It is wise to have decisions of great moment monitored by generalists. Experts and specialists lead you quickly into chaos. They are a source of useless nit-picking, the ferocious quibble over a comma. The mentat-generalist, on the other hand, should bring to decision-making a healthy common sense. He must not cut himself off from the broad sweep of what is happening in his universe. He must remain capable of saying: 鈥淭here鈥檚 no real mystery about this at the moment. This is what we want now. It may prove wrong later, but we鈥檒l correct that when we come to it.鈥� The mentat-generalist must understand that anything which we can identify as our universe is merely part of larger phenomena. But the expert looks backward; he looks into the narrow standards of his own specialty. The generalist looks outward; he looks for living principles, knowing full well that such principles change, that they develop.鈥� (p232)
鈥� 鈥淚s your religion real when it costs you nothing and carries no risk? Is your religion real when you fatten upon it? Is your religion real when you commit atrocities in its name?鈥� 鈥� The Preacher (p236)
鈥� 鈥淭here鈥檚 no mystery about a human life. It鈥檚 not a problem to be solved, but a reality to be experienced.鈥� 鈥� Leto II (p.282)
鈥� 鈥淭he spirit of Muad'Dib is more than words, more than the letter of the law which arises in his name. Muad'Dib must always be that inner outrage against the complacently powerful, against the charlatans and the dogmatic fanatics. It is that inner outrage which must have its say because Muad'Dib taught us above all others, that humans can endure only in a fraternity of social justice. -- The Fedaykin Compact鈥� (p.338)


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1,419 reviews
March 15, 2022
1-23-09 DUNE MESSIAH: Paul is now the Emperor of the universe, and he is worshipped as a God, by all on Dune. This is further complicated by him battling other planets to bow to him and his sister's attributes to his godliness. Alia is also troubled because she can not see the future that Paul so easily sees and is not able to avoid. There is a plot out against Paul's life, and the Bene Gesserit are determined to salvage his blood line.
7-29-11 CHILDREN OF DUNE: The planet once called Dune is now known as Arrakis, because of the dramatic and rapid environmental changes. Arrakis is being transformed into a green planet. This is one of the several abominations that are mentioned in this book. Alia, the regent, plans to make the spice even rarer than it is now. With only a handful of worms, there will not be enough spice for all in the Imperium.
Another abomination is the religion of Muad鈥橠ib, which the Preacher speaks out against. The Preacher鈥檚 goal is to bring Paul down from a religious god to just a man. However the question on everyone鈥檚 mind is, is the Preacher really Paul Atreides?
The obvious abomination is that of Alia, filled by all the voices in her genetic line. She repeatedly and purposefully goes into a spice trance, which is the invitation to her possession. The twins fear the possibility of abomination which Alia is not able to withstand against.
Adding to Alia鈥檚 stress is her mother Jessica鈥檚 return to Arrakis, as a Bene Gesserit. His Golden Path is the only way to escape from what has been done to Arrakis.
17 reviews
January 5, 2023
Finished in 2021

Dune Messiah is about the death of Paul and Chani to protect the Freeman. One interesting fact is that with the raise of power and r religious status, the ruler still have troubles, now is to worry about people trying to kill him.
Children of Dune details the life of the Messiah鈥檚 son, and his powerful yet also dangerous sister. The world in Dune is stretched to become big because the society became complex but the presence of harm did not diminish.
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21 reviews
July 20, 2022
談斋 铡盏宅 寨铡謤眨斋 窄崭斩铡謤瞻崭謧沾 諃榨謤闸榨謤湛斋斩 战榨斩謥 辗謩榨詹 崭謧 铡咋栅榨謥斋寨 寨斋斩 寨榨謤蘸铡謤斩榨謤斋 瞻铡沾铡謤, 乍栅 诈站榨謤斋 崭謧 湛詹铡沾铡謤栅 眨謤崭詹斋 瞻铡沾铡謤 铡瞻铡站崭謤 铡斩战崭站崭謤 闸铡斩 铡謮

袦械褋褋懈褟 袛褞薪褘
苑战 蘸铡瞻斋 栅謤崭謧诈盏铡沾闸 铡沾榨斩铡辗铡湛炸 瞻铡站铡斩铡债战 瞻铡湛崭謤斩 铡: 諑榨謤栈斋斩 乍栈榨謤斋斩 瞻铡沾铡謤盏铡 宅铡謥榨宅 榨沾謮


袛械褌懈 袛褞薪褘
論斋宅斋战崭謨铡盏崭謧诈盏崭謧斩炸 铡站榨宅斋 辗铡湛 乍謤, 炸斩栅瞻铡斩謤铡蘸榨战 栅盏崭謧斩铡斩 寨铡謤栅铡宅崭謧謥 蘸斋湛斋 斋沾铡斩铡战, 崭謤 宅斋謩炸 闸铡斩榨謤 炸斩诈铡謥謩崭謧沾 展榨战 瞻铡战寨铡斩铡宅崭謧, 瞻榨湛崭, 寨铡謤崭詹 铡 斩崭謧盏斩斋战寨 沾盏崭謧战 瞻铡湛崭謤斩榨謤崭謧沾 斩崭謤 蘸铡謤咋铡闸铡斩站榨斩 栅謤铡斩謩, 闸铡謤栅崭謧诈盏锟斤拷謧斩炸 乍斩 铡, 崭謤 蘸榨湛謩 铡 崭謧詹詹铡寨斋 沾湛铡蘸铡瞻榨战 沾斋 毡謬 乍栅 铡斩瞻铡战寨铡斩铡宅斋 蘸铡瞻榨謤炸 寨铡沾 瞻榨湛崭 沾斋 瞻铡湛 乍宅 眨崭斩榨 诈榨謤诈榨战, 崭謤 湛榨詹炸 炸斩寨斩斋謮 請斩謥 謪謤斋斩铡寨 战謤铡 站榨謤栈崭謧沾 斩崭謤 蘸铡謤咋 栅铡謤毡铡站 诈榨 諍崭宅炸 斋斩展斋 乍謤 湛榨斩謥 窄崭謧战铡謨崭謧沾 斋謤铡 湛榨战铡债 铡蘸铡眨铡盏斋謥, 斋斩展斋謥 乍謤 湛榨斩謥 站铡窄榨斩崭謧沾, 斋斩展斋謥 謨铡窄铡站, 站榨謤栈炸 謨辗铡謩铡詹站榨宅崭站 榨战 寨铡謤栅崭謧沾謮
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Author听46 books385 followers
April 29, 2020
Goes like this. Tense situation implied. Everybody has heightened awareness. Prescience, spice sense, Bene Gesserit, Tleilax, mentat. Think think think about current problem. Something happens. Switch to next scenario. Repeat. The problem is that writing about sitting at the top of an empire of this magnitude and complexity is just hard. Feels inert even when something is trying to happen. I admire the ideas. Have waited since the 60s to reread Dune Messiah; hated it when I was young. Never read Children of Dune. Now that I am reading them, I find myself mostly in awe of the scope, the layers of ideas one after the other, but the books are a slog. If Paul and Leto were female characters they would be Mary Sues. Always seeing, seeing, thinking, thinking, always right. At last some action comes. Doesn't quite save the books. But I will always admire this universe and am looking forward to the newest movie version of Dune.
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60 reviews
November 9, 2022
Quite a big improvement on the writing style from book one to these following two. From flat characters and minimal description in book 1 to them both being handled more adeptly and given stories that are genuinely interesting. Really glad I didnt leave off with the first book, these two were worth reading.
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78 reviews
April 25, 2024
I appreciate and understand the significance of Leto II's actions but I really really really can't get over the fact that THEY TURNED HIM INTO I KNOW WHY BUT WHY!
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1,443 reviews1 follower
November 26, 2019
Weirdly enough I felt like Dune was fine as a stand-alone, but these other two in the series were good as well! They were still a great continuation of the story lines and I鈥檓 interested to see what happens next.
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December 9, 2020
today i had finished read this one.i read the whole dune series.and,after i lll read one thousands nights-arabian tales.and after....a year,or two i lll not read nothing,cause illl have other preocupatios
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13 reviews
October 10, 2017
You can get lost in the worlds of Frank Herbert...
165 reviews
February 24, 2021
I loved the return to Arrakis and the mix of political machinations, science fiction, philosophy and religion that makes up these stories. Along with engaging storytelling.
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7 reviews21 followers
May 17, 2021
I enjoyed this one better than Dune and I loved Dune!
70 reviews
May 14, 2022
Meh. Just don鈥檛 understand the desire to kill your little darlings.
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115 reviews3 followers
June 29, 2022
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574 reviews
August 21, 2022
This is a reread me. I had forgotten so much! Especially about Hayt. Now on to Children of Dune.
9 reviews1 follower
November 8, 2023
Horrible. This seems written by a Dune-fanboy high on acid, the suspense and mystique of the first book do not carry over in the second and third.
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157 reviews1 follower
August 19, 2018
Dune Messiah wasn't the epic tale the first novel was. It was a totally different reading experience. Of course, everything that made the first book great (introduction to the strange desert planet, Paul discovering himself and coming into his own, discovering the mysterious Fremen, etc.) couldn't be repeated. This book did open up to the larger Dune universe by way of introduction to the Tleilaxu and their creations. In a relatively short amount of time, Paul has gone from the young Kwisatz Haderach to the cynical, world-weary, bitter Emperor - but I guess having to rule the universe and being worshipped as a god will do that to you. I did enjoy this book, but not as much as the original.

Children of Dune started out pretty slow for me. I was still getting over having the "good triumphs over evil and everything is right in the universe" ending of the original Dune spoiled by the sequels - I even considered putting this one down, but then about 150 pages in something happened. I realized I had become totally edge-of-my-seat invested in this dodgy, layer upon layer of grey universe with its morally ambiguous characters. By the end I had come to appreciate what Herbert achieved in smashing all of the idols of the original Dune novel (though it's still my favorite). All in all, highly recommended - but if you like happy endings, you may want to stop after the first novel.
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117 reviews4 followers
May 1, 2009
Umm. Can I just say that I don't get it? What is all the hype about? I don't like any of the characters and I don't see the point of the plot. It is just a mishmash of a bunch of power-hungry people as far as I can tell. I think I will TRY to finish the series, but I am not hopeful.

This is not even close to my top 10 favorite sci fi books.
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Author听2 books7 followers
September 25, 2012
This one really did confuse me a lot of times. Too much philosophy and I admit I skipped some of it by just reading across it without grasping the meaning.

I finished the book rather quickly and enjoyed the story. However after the finale I am not sure I want to read the next books of the series. Too much confusion and do I really want to read about Leto after this ...?

9 reviews
June 2, 2019
Hmmm.... too many speeches on loop. At the end it gets a bit power ranges. The first two books were great... and this kept me reading until the end... but I am not down with the conclusion at all... or at least the way it was handled. I feel a little guilty give a 3 but I have to leave room for the previous two books.
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