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螘魏魏位畏蟽喂维味慰蠀蟽伪喂
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Aristophanes
1,886听books715听followersAristophanes (Greek: 螒蚁喂蟽蟿慰蠁维谓畏蟼; c.鈥�446 鈥� c.鈥�386 BC) was an Ancient Greek comic playwright from Athens and a poet of Old Attic Comedy. He wrote in total forty plays, of which eleven survive virtually complete today. These provide the most valuable examples of a genre of comic drama known as Old Comedy and are used to define it, along with fragments from dozens of lost plays by Aristophanes and his contemporaries.
Also known as "The Father of Comedy" and "the Prince of Ancient Comedy", Aristophanes has been said to recreate the life of ancient Athens more convincingly than any other author. His powers of ridicule were feared and acknowledged by influential contemporaries; Plato singled out Aristophanes' play The Clouds as slander that contributed to the trial and subsequent condemning to death of Socrates, although other satirical playwrights had also caricatured the philosopher.
Aristophanes' second play, The Babylonians (now lost), was denounced by Cleon as a slander against the Athenian polis. It is possible that the case was argued in court, but details of the trial are not recorded and Aristophanes caricatured Cleon mercilessly in his subsequent plays, especially The Knights, the first of many plays that he directed himself. "In my opinion," he says through that play's Chorus, "the author-director of comedies has the hardest job of all."
Also known as "The Father of Comedy" and "the Prince of Ancient Comedy", Aristophanes has been said to recreate the life of ancient Athens more convincingly than any other author. His powers of ridicule were feared and acknowledged by influential contemporaries; Plato singled out Aristophanes' play The Clouds as slander that contributed to the trial and subsequent condemning to death of Socrates, although other satirical playwrights had also caricatured the philosopher.
Aristophanes' second play, The Babylonians (now lost), was denounced by Cleon as a slander against the Athenian polis. It is possible that the case was argued in court, but details of the trial are not recorded and Aristophanes caricatured Cleon mercilessly in his subsequent plays, especially The Knights, the first of many plays that he directed himself. "In my opinion," he says through that play's Chorus, "the author-director of comedies has the hardest job of all."
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June 17, 2019
Kocalar谋n谋n k谋yafetlerini 莽alarak meclise giden kad谋nlar谋n y枚netimi erkeklerden kad谋nlara verdi臒i "Kad谋n Mebuslar / Assembly of Women", Aristophanes'in ne kadar ileri g枚r眉艧l眉 bir komedya yazar谋 oldu臒unu kan谋tlayan 莽a臒谋n谋n 莽ok 枚tesinde bir yergi 枚rne臒i. Ataerkil y枚netim bi莽imini a臒谋r bir dille ele艧tiren yap谋s谋yla "Kad谋n Mebuslar"da kad谋nlar erkeklerin normal olarak g枚rd眉臒眉 艧eyleri kendilerine uyarlayarak e艧itsizli臒i okuyucunun g枚z眉ne sokuyor. Y枚netimi ele ge莽iren kad谋nlar谋n yeni bir yasayla cinsel ili艧kiyi serbest hale getirmesi ve bunu yaparken erkeklerin 枚ncelikli olarak ya艧l谋 kad谋nlarla yatmak zorunda kalmas谋 oyunun mizahi tonunu destekliyor. Ortaya koyulan kom眉nist d眉zenle Platon'un "Devlet"ini fazlas谋yla hat谋rlatan oyunda alttan alta bir Platon'a bir ele艧tiri hissedilse de oyunun "Devlet"ten 枚nce yaz谋lm谋艧 olmas谋 ak谋lda soru i艧areti bar谋nd谋r谋yor. Buna ek olarak m眉stehcen diliyle Hipponax'谋n 艧iirlerini hat谋rlatan oyunun mizahi d眉zeyi o kadar y眉ksek ki san谋r谋m "Kad谋n Mebuslar" Aristophanes'in en sevdi臒im oyunu olarak kalacak.
17.06.2019
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陌stanbul, T眉rkiye
Alp Turgut
January 16, 2025
Ebbene s矛, l鈥檃bito fa il monaco.
Lo sa bene Prassagora che, sottrae, nottetempo, la tunica e il mantello del marito.
Non 猫 la sola, per貌, tutte le altre donne di Atene si travestono con abiti maschili e cos矛 mascherate si dirigono all鈥橝ssemblea cittadina.
Il governo non funziona come si deve: corruzione, ruberie, soprusi e tanto altro scontentano la popolazione.
Cos矛 le donne decidono di prendere in mano la situazione: non si pu貌 fare altro per cambiare rotta.
Con l鈥檃rte della retorica appresa di nascosto, con l鈥檃stuzia del travestimento per aver una possibilit脿 di parlare altrimenti negata, le donne convincono la popolazione che solo loro possono avere le capacit脿 per amministrare il bene comune.
Nasce una forma di governo utopica.
Come altre commedie di Aristofane, ancora una volta, il corpo delle donne 猫 strumento potente che rende forti le donne.
Ancora una volta 猫 la cospirazione delle donne a smuovere una situazione deteriorata dagli uomini. La trama 猫 tuttavia, parodica.
La forma di governo 猫 un鈥檜topia ridicolizzata in una delle scene finali della commedia.
Per la legge appena approvata, infatti:
鈥澛獿e donne hanno deciso che se un giovane
芦desidera una giovane, non possa
芦goderla, se non ha prima goduta
芦la vecchia; e se non vuol suonare questa,
芦e s鈥檃ppicca alla giovane, 猫 permesso
芦alle pi煤 vecchie di ghermire il giovane
芦pel pi貌lo, e tirarlo impunemente.禄鈥�
Insomma, lo spirito e la volont脿 di cambiamento finiscono con una grassa risata.
Donne vogliose e uomini che vogliono abbuffarsi ad un bel banchetto..
"CORO:
E quest鈥檃ltre ragazzette
il ritmo seguano con le cianchette,
ch茅 gi脿 in tavola si mette
ostrichepescedatagliolam-
predegattuccicervelliconsalsapiccantedi-
尘颈别濒辫辞谤谤辞蝉颈濒蹿茂辞尘别谤濒颈辫补濒辞尘产颈肠辞濒辞尘产颈辫颈肠-
肠颈辞苍迟辞谤诲颈肠谤别蝉迟别诲颈驳补濒肠辞诲颈迟谤猫尘辞濒别-
leprimostardadivincartilaginedalidipol!"
Lo sa bene Prassagora che, sottrae, nottetempo, la tunica e il mantello del marito.
Non 猫 la sola, per貌, tutte le altre donne di Atene si travestono con abiti maschili e cos矛 mascherate si dirigono all鈥橝ssemblea cittadina.
Il governo non funziona come si deve: corruzione, ruberie, soprusi e tanto altro scontentano la popolazione.
Cos矛 le donne decidono di prendere in mano la situazione: non si pu貌 fare altro per cambiare rotta.
Con l鈥檃rte della retorica appresa di nascosto, con l鈥檃stuzia del travestimento per aver una possibilit脿 di parlare altrimenti negata, le donne convincono la popolazione che solo loro possono avere le capacit脿 per amministrare il bene comune.
Nasce una forma di governo utopica.
Come altre commedie di Aristofane, ancora una volta, il corpo delle donne 猫 strumento potente che rende forti le donne.
Ancora una volta 猫 la cospirazione delle donne a smuovere una situazione deteriorata dagli uomini. La trama 猫 tuttavia, parodica.
La forma di governo 猫 un鈥檜topia ridicolizzata in una delle scene finali della commedia.
Per la legge appena approvata, infatti:
鈥澛獿e donne hanno deciso che se un giovane
芦desidera una giovane, non possa
芦goderla, se non ha prima goduta
芦la vecchia; e se non vuol suonare questa,
芦e s鈥檃ppicca alla giovane, 猫 permesso
芦alle pi煤 vecchie di ghermire il giovane
芦pel pi貌lo, e tirarlo impunemente.禄鈥�
Insomma, lo spirito e la volont脿 di cambiamento finiscono con una grassa risata.
Donne vogliose e uomini che vogliono abbuffarsi ad un bel banchetto..
"CORO:
E quest鈥檃ltre ragazzette
il ritmo seguano con le cianchette,
ch茅 gi脿 in tavola si mette
ostrichepescedatagliolam-
predegattuccicervelliconsalsapiccantedi-
尘颈别濒辫辞谤谤辞蝉颈濒蹿茂辞尘别谤濒颈辫补濒辞尘产颈肠辞濒辞尘产颈辫颈肠-
肠颈辞苍迟辞谤诲颈肠谤别蝉迟别诲颈驳补濒肠辞诲颈迟谤猫尘辞濒别-
leprimostardadivincartilaginedalidipol!"
October 30, 2020
"Os digo que debemos entregar la ciudad a las mujeres. Despu茅s de todo ya en nuestros hogares nos servimos de ellas como administradoras y tesoreras. Yo os voy a ense帽ar que su modo de ser ellas son mejores que nosotros."
Como estudiante de literatura griega antigua, esta fue una lectura obligada. Las mujeres pudieron enga帽ar a los hombres para hacerse cargo de Atenas y arreglar todas las macanas en la democracia post-guerra.
Como estudiante de literatura griega antigua, esta fue una lectura obligada. Las mujeres pudieron enga帽ar a los hombres para hacerse cargo de Atenas y arreglar todas las macanas en la democracia post-guerra.
June 29, 2020
A group of women don fakes beards and their husbands' cloaks, all to attend the male assembly and convince the Athenians to turn the city's rule over to those more competent: the women.
Ok. This play is, eh... Hmm. I'm struggling to know where I should begin. Let's start off with a different Aristophanes' play, the which is all about the women of Athens hating Euripides' misogynistic plays so much that they decide to kill him. I hoped Euripides replied with some lost Satyr play about the female Athenians reacting to The Ecclesiazusae because, ho-ly shit, is this terrible. I felt near on shellshocked after reading this, and couldn't understand how the same bloke who created the wrote this thing. Then I remember and say 'oh, right'.
Having gained their power, the women essentially create a free love commune. All wealth is put into a public fund, so now theft is impossible. Meals are served at one giant table for all, so everyone's equal (except the slaves). Sex is free and open, with the only stipulations being free folk and slaves cannot have sex with each other, and the ugliest citizens must always be erotically served first *Socrates roars approvingly*. The women are, apparently, perfectly fine with shagging the least appealing of the male sex, but Aristophanes gives us a scene from the opposite perspective, where a handsome young man tries to visit his girlfriend and is apprehended by three old women, who insist he must deal with them first, ignore his protests and drag him away to rape him. What the ever Zeus-loving fuck, Aristophanes?
I remember being very mean spirited, but this play is far worse. The humour is cruder, such as this line about a man with constipation 鈥業 really think there must be a wild pear obstructing my rectum鈥�, there's lots of talk about fondling buttocks or grabbing privates, and some terrible descriptions of the bodies of old women, with suggestions they should 'stop up their holes'.
This is one of those stories that hates everyone: men are stupid and women are devious. Wikipedia informs me this is less a play about female rule, and more an accusation against the Athenian male elite being both incompetent and effeminate. That might have been his argument, but it does nothing to excuse just how tasteless and cruel this whole mess is.
I happened to read this while drunk and, though I don't reccomend you read the play, I would suggest you get utterly pissed if you do, because it'll make it a hell of a lot easier.
Ok. This play is, eh... Hmm. I'm struggling to know where I should begin. Let's start off with a different Aristophanes' play, the which is all about the women of Athens hating Euripides' misogynistic plays so much that they decide to kill him. I hoped Euripides replied with some lost Satyr play about the female Athenians reacting to The Ecclesiazusae because, ho-ly shit, is this terrible. I felt near on shellshocked after reading this, and couldn't understand how the same bloke who created the wrote this thing. Then I remember and say 'oh, right'.
Having gained their power, the women essentially create a free love commune. All wealth is put into a public fund, so now theft is impossible. Meals are served at one giant table for all, so everyone's equal (except the slaves). Sex is free and open, with the only stipulations being free folk and slaves cannot have sex with each other, and the ugliest citizens must always be erotically served first *Socrates roars approvingly*. The women are, apparently, perfectly fine with shagging the least appealing of the male sex, but Aristophanes gives us a scene from the opposite perspective, where a handsome young man tries to visit his girlfriend and is apprehended by three old women, who insist he must deal with them first, ignore his protests and drag him away to rape him. What the ever Zeus-loving fuck, Aristophanes?
I remember being very mean spirited, but this play is far worse. The humour is cruder, such as this line about a man with constipation 鈥業 really think there must be a wild pear obstructing my rectum鈥�, there's lots of talk about fondling buttocks or grabbing privates, and some terrible descriptions of the bodies of old women, with suggestions they should 'stop up their holes'.
This is one of those stories that hates everyone: men are stupid and women are devious. Wikipedia informs me this is less a play about female rule, and more an accusation against the Athenian male elite being both incompetent and effeminate. That might have been his argument, but it does nothing to excuse just how tasteless and cruel this whole mess is.
I happened to read this while drunk and, though I don't reccomend you read the play, I would suggest you get utterly pissed if you do, because it'll make it a hell of a lot easier.
September 11, 2024
Lisistrata la Mulan del 392 a.C
October 3, 2020
Si algo demuestra Arist贸fanes con Les assembleistes es que no sabe dejar t铆tere con cabeza. Su argumento plantea una suerte de sistema comunista planteado por un grupo de mujeres, pero no hace concesiones: las mujeres son tan terribles como los hombres. Su sistema es ca贸tico y lleno de vac铆os legales, pero tambi茅n se establece que los hombres en el poder hacen estragos al interesarse antes por s铆 mismos que por el pa铆s (v茅ase Bl猫pir). Teniendo en cuenta el contexto festivo en que se enmarcaban las representaciones de la obra, casi parece l贸gico que no existan los tapujos en una obra que pretende hacer re铆r mediante la s谩tira.
El argumento en s铆 es bastante irregular. Durante la primera mitad sigue una estructura l贸gica y con un ritmo bien medido para, en la segunda, cortarlo por completo y terminar no tanto con un final abierto como con uno que casi parece incompleto por su falta absoluta de cierre. Cuando est谩n las mujeres, especialmente Prax脿gora, en escena, todo funciona bastante bien. Interacciones f谩ciles de seguir, interrupciones de di谩logo constantes para crear humor, insultos a decenas de hombres de la Asamblea... Pero cuando llegan los dos hombres (Home A y Home B), se vuelve un sinsentido sin mucha gracia y termina en un chiste que se alarga demasiadas p谩ginas. En cierto modo, la propia obra parece transmitir el magnetismo de sus mujeres y el sopor que provocan sus hombres, si bien, como he dicho, Arist贸fanes insultaba a unas y a otros sin distinciones.
Hay que reconocer que Les assembleistes es un libro bastante expl铆cito. Adem谩s de hacer veladas (y no tan veladas) referencias sexuales, hablar abiertamente de relaciones hetero y homosexuales, tratar el coito como tema central e incluso establecer un sistema sexual comunista, hay una buena dosis de humor escatol贸gico y hasta genitales mostrados en escena. Personalmente, no me ha hecho mucha gracia (lo grotesco casi nunca lo hace; se me antoja facil贸n), pero veo que en su 茅poca habr铆a sido un bombazo y casi da miedo saber que muchas de sus cr铆ticas al sistema pol铆tico de entonces pueden trasladarse a la actualidad sin apenas cambios. Ya el encargado de traducir el libro, Eduard Mayans Mevel, se encarga de ofrecer unos comentarios quiz谩 demasiado subjetivos en sus notas al pie. Se agradece el tono cercano y coloquial (que se mezcla con el acad茅mico), pero no niego que alg煤n comentario me ha hecho arquear una ceja, no por inveros铆mil, sino por no venir a cuento. Tampoco puedo destacar mucho negativo de su trabajo: la traducci贸n est谩 hecha con mimo, sus notas son muy informativas y se nota que ha habido toda una investigaci贸n detr谩s. Eso s铆, la introducci贸n es bastante desafortunada; se queda en la superficie y no explora suficientemente la lectura.
Al final, aunque no haya acabado muy satisfecho con la obra, al C茅sar lo que es del C茅sar: este Arist贸fanes estaba un poco loco y no voy a ser yo el que le lleve la contraria. Hay que tener buena mano para saber estrenar una representaci贸n ante miles de personas con el objetivo de insultarlas directamente.
El argumento en s铆 es bastante irregular. Durante la primera mitad sigue una estructura l贸gica y con un ritmo bien medido para, en la segunda, cortarlo por completo y terminar no tanto con un final abierto como con uno que casi parece incompleto por su falta absoluta de cierre. Cuando est谩n las mujeres, especialmente Prax脿gora, en escena, todo funciona bastante bien. Interacciones f谩ciles de seguir, interrupciones de di谩logo constantes para crear humor, insultos a decenas de hombres de la Asamblea... Pero cuando llegan los dos hombres (Home A y Home B), se vuelve un sinsentido sin mucha gracia y termina en un chiste que se alarga demasiadas p谩ginas. En cierto modo, la propia obra parece transmitir el magnetismo de sus mujeres y el sopor que provocan sus hombres, si bien, como he dicho, Arist贸fanes insultaba a unas y a otros sin distinciones.
Hay que reconocer que Les assembleistes es un libro bastante expl铆cito. Adem谩s de hacer veladas (y no tan veladas) referencias sexuales, hablar abiertamente de relaciones hetero y homosexuales, tratar el coito como tema central e incluso establecer un sistema sexual comunista, hay una buena dosis de humor escatol贸gico y hasta genitales mostrados en escena. Personalmente, no me ha hecho mucha gracia (lo grotesco casi nunca lo hace; se me antoja facil贸n), pero veo que en su 茅poca habr铆a sido un bombazo y casi da miedo saber que muchas de sus cr铆ticas al sistema pol铆tico de entonces pueden trasladarse a la actualidad sin apenas cambios. Ya el encargado de traducir el libro, Eduard Mayans Mevel, se encarga de ofrecer unos comentarios quiz谩 demasiado subjetivos en sus notas al pie. Se agradece el tono cercano y coloquial (que se mezcla con el acad茅mico), pero no niego que alg煤n comentario me ha hecho arquear una ceja, no por inveros铆mil, sino por no venir a cuento. Tampoco puedo destacar mucho negativo de su trabajo: la traducci贸n est谩 hecha con mimo, sus notas son muy informativas y se nota que ha habido toda una investigaci贸n detr谩s. Eso s铆, la introducci贸n es bastante desafortunada; se queda en la superficie y no explora suficientemente la lectura.
Al final, aunque no haya acabado muy satisfecho con la obra, al C茅sar lo que es del C茅sar: este Arist贸fanes estaba un poco loco y no voy a ser yo el que le lleve la contraria. Hay que tener buena mano para saber estrenar una representaci贸n ante miles de personas con el objetivo de insultarlas directamente.
June 29, 2015
2500 蠂蟻慰谓喂伪 渭蔚蟿伪, 慰 蔚喂蟽畏纬畏蟿畏蟼 魏伪喂 未喂未伪蟽魏伪位慰蟼 蟿畏蟼 蟽伪蟿喂蟻伪蟼 螒蟻喂蟽蟿慰蠁伪谓畏蟼, 蟿蟻慰渭伪魏蟿喂魏维 蔚蟺喂魏伪喂蟻慰蟼 渭蔚 慰尉蠀未蔚蟻魏萎 渭伪蟿喂维 蟽蟿慰谓 蟿蟻慰蟺慰 蟽魏蔚蠄畏蟼 蟿蠅谓 螘位位畏谓蠅谓: 蟿畏谓 蟽蠀渭蠁蔚蟻慰谓蟿慰位慰纬喂伪, 蟿畏谓 位伪渭慰纬喂维, 蟿畏谓 蟺慰谓畏蟻喂维.
韦喂蟺慰蟿伪 未蔚谓 蠁伪喂谓蔚蟿伪喂 谓伪 蔚蠂蔚喂 伪位位伪尉蔚喂 蟽蟿畏谓 螘位位伪未伪 蟿慰蠀 21慰蠀 伪喂蠅谓伪.
螘谓伪 蔚蟻纬慰 蟺慰蠀 胃伪 蟺蟻蔚蟺蔚 魏伪胃蔚 蔚位位畏谓伪蟼 谓伪 未喂伪尾伪蟽蔚喂 纬喂伪 谓伪 蠁蟿伪蟽蔚喂 位喂纬慰 蟺喂慰 魏慰谓蟿伪 蟽蟿慰 蟽蠀位位慰纬喂魏慰 -萎 蔚胃谓喂魏慰 "纬谓蠅胃喂 蟽伪蠀蟿慰谓"
"螝喂 慰 蠁蟿伪喂蠂蟿畏蟼 蟽 慰位伪 蟿慰蠀蟿伪 蔚喂蟽伪喂 蔚蟽蠀 位伪蔚.
螝伪胃苇谓伪蟼 蟿蟽喂渭蟺慰位慰纬蠅谓蟿伪蟼 蟿慰 未畏渭慰蟽喂慰 蠂蟻畏渭伪
魏慰喂蟿伪味蔚喂 蟿慰 蟽蠀渭蠁蔚蟻慰谓 蟿慰蠀 渭慰谓伪蠂伪,
魏喂 畏 蟺伪蟿蟻喂未伪 伪蟼 魏慰蠀蟿蟽伪喂谓蔚喂 蟽蟿慰谓 魏伪蟿畏蠁慰蟻慰" (- 螒蟺慰未慰蟽畏 螝蠅蟽蟿伪 螔伪蟻谓伪位畏)
韦喂蟺慰蟿伪 未蔚谓 蠁伪喂谓蔚蟿伪喂 谓伪 蔚蠂蔚喂 伪位位伪尉蔚喂 蟽蟿畏谓 螘位位伪未伪 蟿慰蠀 21慰蠀 伪喂蠅谓伪.
螘谓伪 蔚蟻纬慰 蟺慰蠀 胃伪 蟺蟻蔚蟺蔚 魏伪胃蔚 蔚位位畏谓伪蟼 谓伪 未喂伪尾伪蟽蔚喂 纬喂伪 谓伪 蠁蟿伪蟽蔚喂 位喂纬慰 蟺喂慰 魏慰谓蟿伪 蟽蟿慰 蟽蠀位位慰纬喂魏慰 -萎 蔚胃谓喂魏慰 "纬谓蠅胃喂 蟽伪蠀蟿慰谓"
"螝喂 慰 蠁蟿伪喂蠂蟿畏蟼 蟽 慰位伪 蟿慰蠀蟿伪 蔚喂蟽伪喂 蔚蟽蠀 位伪蔚.
螝伪胃苇谓伪蟼 蟿蟽喂渭蟺慰位慰纬蠅谓蟿伪蟼 蟿慰 未畏渭慰蟽喂慰 蠂蟻畏渭伪
魏慰喂蟿伪味蔚喂 蟿慰 蟽蠀渭蠁蔚蟻慰谓 蟿慰蠀 渭慰谓伪蠂伪,
魏喂 畏 蟺伪蟿蟻喂未伪 伪蟼 魏慰蠀蟿蟽伪喂谓蔚喂 蟽蟿慰谓 魏伪蟿畏蠁慰蟻慰" (- 螒蟺慰未慰蟽畏 螝蠅蟽蟿伪 螔伪蟻谓伪位畏)
February 12, 2019
丌鬲賳 丿乇 爻丕賱 391 賯亘賱 丕夭 賲蹖賱丕丿貙 鬲丕乇蹖禺 丕噩乇丕蹖 賳賲丕蹖卮賳丕賲賴 夭賳丕賳 丿乇 丕讴賱夭蹖丕貙 丿乇 蹖讴蹖 丕夭 賮丕噩毓賴 亘丕乇 鬲乇蹖賳 丿賵乇丕賳 鬲丕乇蹖禺 亘丕爻鬲丕賳 禺賵丿 賯乇丕乇 丿丕卮鬲. 賮賯乇 賵 亘蹖讴丕乇蹖 賵 爻蹖丕爻鬲賲丿丕乇丕賳 賮丕爻丿 丌鬲賳 乇丕 丿乇 亘乇 诏乇賮鬲賴 亘賵丿賳丿 賵 丿乇 倬丕蹖丕賳 噩賳诏 爻蹖 爻丕賱賴 賮乇爻丕蹖卮蹖 亘蹖賳 丌鬲賳 賵 丕爻倬丕乇鬲丕 賵 氐賱丨 賲賵賯鬲 亘蹖賳 丿賵 丨讴賵賲鬲貙 亘丕 丨賲丕蹖鬲 倬丕丿卮丕賴蹖 賴禺丕賲賳卮蹖 (賲丕!!!) 噩賳诏 丿蹖诏乇蹖 亘蹖賳 丕蹖賳 丿賵 丿乇 诏乇賮鬲 讴賴 亘乇丕蹖 丌鬲賳 賲賵噩亘 卮讴爻鬲 賴丕蹖 亘爻蹖丕乇 賵 丕夭 丿爻鬲 乇賮鬲賳 亘禺卮 丕毓馗賲 賳丕賵诏丕賳 噩賳诏蹖 丌賳賴丕 卮丿.
丿乇 丕蹖賳 卮乇丕蹖胤貙 丌乇蹖爻鬲賵賮丕賳爻 賳丕丕賲蹖丿 丕夭 賴乇 鬲乇賮賳丿 爻蹖丕爻蹖 賵 丿賲賵讴乇丕鬲蹖讴貙 賳丕 丕賲蹖丿 丕夭 賴乇 爻蹖丕爻鬲賲丿丕乇 倬賵倬賵賱蹖爻鬲 蹖丕 鬲蹖乇丕賳蹖爻鬲 賵 亘賴 胤賵乇 禺賱丕氐賴 賳丕丕賲蹖丿 丕夭 賲乇丿丕賳 貙 丕夭 爻乇 賳丕趩丕乇蹖貙 亘賴 爻蹖丕爻鬲蹖 乇賵蹖 賲蹖 丌賵乇丿 讴賴 丿乇 丌鬲賳 丌賳 丿賵乇賴 禺賳丿賴 丿丕乇 賵 睾蹖乇 賲賲讴賳 賵 丌賵丕賳诏丕乇丿 亘賴 卮賲丕乇 賲蹖 乇賮鬲: 賲丨賵賱 讴乇丿賳 讴丕賲賱 丨丕讴賲蹖鬲 亘賴 夭賳丕賳 賵 亘乇丕亘乇蹖 讴丕賲賱 丨賯賵賯 噩賳爻蹖鬲蹖貙 鬲賯爻蹖賲 賲爻丕賵蹖 爻乇賲丕蹖賴 亘蹖賳 胤亘賯丕鬲 賲禺鬲賱賮 噩丕賲毓賴貙 賲夭乇毓賴 丿丕乇蹖 賵 亘乇丿丕卮鬲 賲丨氐賵賱 丕卮鬲乇丕讴蹖貙 丌夭丕丿蹖 讴丕賲賱 噩賳爻蹖 賵 賱睾賵 賯賵丕賳蹖賳 丕夭丿賵丕噩.
賱丕夭賲 亘賴 丿讴乇 丕爻鬲 讴賴 丌乇蹖爻鬲賵賮丕賳爻 賳賴 蹖讴 賲鬲賮讴乇 倬蹖卮乇賵 亘賵丿貙 賳賴 讴賲賵賳蹖爻鬲(!) 賵 賳賴 賮毓丕賱 丨賯賵賯 夭賳丕賳貙 鬲賲丕賲蹖 丕蹖賳 乇賵卮 賴丕 毓賱蹖 乇睾賲 丕蹖賳讴賴 丿乇 丿賳蹖丕蹖 丕賲乇賵夭 賲丕 鬲丕乇蹖禺 亘賴 卮賲丕乇 賲蹖 丌蹖賳丿貙 丿乇 丌鬲賳 丿賵 賴夭丕乇 賵 倬丕賳氐丿 爻賱 倬蹖卮貙 卮賵禺蹖 賴丕蹖 禺賳丿賴 丿丕乇蹖 亘賴 賲賳馗賵乇 鬲賲爻禺乇 丨讴賵賲鬲 賵 賮乇賴锟斤拷诏蹖 丿乇 丨丕賱 賳丕亘賵丿蹖 亘賵丿賳丿 賵 賲丨讴賵賲 亘賴 卮讴爻鬲 丨鬲賲蹖.
丿乇 丕蹖賳 卮乇丕蹖胤貙 丌乇蹖爻鬲賵賮丕賳爻 賳丕丕賲蹖丿 丕夭 賴乇 鬲乇賮賳丿 爻蹖丕爻蹖 賵 丿賲賵讴乇丕鬲蹖讴貙 賳丕 丕賲蹖丿 丕夭 賴乇 爻蹖丕爻鬲賲丿丕乇 倬賵倬賵賱蹖爻鬲 蹖丕 鬲蹖乇丕賳蹖爻鬲 賵 亘賴 胤賵乇 禺賱丕氐賴 賳丕丕賲蹖丿 丕夭 賲乇丿丕賳 貙 丕夭 爻乇 賳丕趩丕乇蹖貙 亘賴 爻蹖丕爻鬲蹖 乇賵蹖 賲蹖 丌賵乇丿 讴賴 丿乇 丌鬲賳 丌賳 丿賵乇賴 禺賳丿賴 丿丕乇 賵 睾蹖乇 賲賲讴賳 賵 丌賵丕賳诏丕乇丿 亘賴 卮賲丕乇 賲蹖 乇賮鬲: 賲丨賵賱 讴乇丿賳 讴丕賲賱 丨丕讴賲蹖鬲 亘賴 夭賳丕賳 賵 亘乇丕亘乇蹖 讴丕賲賱 丨賯賵賯 噩賳爻蹖鬲蹖貙 鬲賯爻蹖賲 賲爻丕賵蹖 爻乇賲丕蹖賴 亘蹖賳 胤亘賯丕鬲 賲禺鬲賱賮 噩丕賲毓賴貙 賲夭乇毓賴 丿丕乇蹖 賵 亘乇丿丕卮鬲 賲丨氐賵賱 丕卮鬲乇丕讴蹖貙 丌夭丕丿蹖 讴丕賲賱 噩賳爻蹖 賵 賱睾賵 賯賵丕賳蹖賳 丕夭丿賵丕噩.
賱丕夭賲 亘賴 丿讴乇 丕爻鬲 讴賴 丌乇蹖爻鬲賵賮丕賳爻 賳賴 蹖讴 賲鬲賮讴乇 倬蹖卮乇賵 亘賵丿貙 賳賴 讴賲賵賳蹖爻鬲(!) 賵 賳賴 賮毓丕賱 丨賯賵賯 夭賳丕賳貙 鬲賲丕賲蹖 丕蹖賳 乇賵卮 賴丕 毓賱蹖 乇睾賲 丕蹖賳讴賴 丿乇 丿賳蹖丕蹖 丕賲乇賵夭 賲丕 鬲丕乇蹖禺 亘賴 卮賲丕乇 賲蹖 丌蹖賳丿貙 丿乇 丌鬲賳 丿賵 賴夭丕乇 賵 倬丕賳氐丿 爻賱 倬蹖卮貙 卮賵禺蹖 賴丕蹖 禺賳丿賴 丿丕乇蹖 亘賴 賲賳馗賵乇 鬲賲爻禺乇 丨讴賵賲鬲 賵 賮乇賴锟斤拷诏蹖 丿乇 丨丕賱 賳丕亘賵丿蹖 亘賵丿賳丿 賵 賲丨讴賵賲 亘賴 卮讴爻鬲 丨鬲賲蹖.
November 6, 2019
"The Assembly of Women," or, "Ecclesiazusae," reminded me very strongly of my favorite Aristophanes, "Lysistrata." If you loved that play as much as I did, you will enjoy this one as well.
The first scene starts off with a group of wives in Ancient Athens stealing their husband's clothes and setting off to speak at the male-only Assembly. Their novel ideas, which concern land ownership, equality, and even sex, are met with a mixture of both outraged indignation and curious popularity.
This play was very fun, and I loved the spirited, mischievously intelligent women. I cannot leave out their husbands - exaggeratedly slow witted, they were hilarious.
Aristophanes is perhaps the world's first champion of women's rights, and he puts his ideas into comedy very well.
The first scene starts off with a group of wives in Ancient Athens stealing their husband's clothes and setting off to speak at the male-only Assembly. Their novel ideas, which concern land ownership, equality, and even sex, are met with a mixture of both outraged indignation and curious popularity.
This play was very fun, and I loved the spirited, mischievously intelligent women. I cannot leave out their husbands - exaggeratedly slow witted, they were hilarious.
Aristophanes is perhaps the world's first champion of women's rights, and he puts his ideas into comedy very well.
February 10, 2017
It really suprised me that this was written before Plato's Republic 'couse it looks like a really fitting parody of it, some ideas presented are in fact the same (shared property, everyone could be your dad so do not hit older man...) and Proxagora really reminds me of Socrates (much more than Socrates from Clouds ).
It's marvelous how he mixes dealing with serious topics, satirizing more things at once, suprisingly good arguments with very funny comedy. Although response to some crisis they have back then it really interests even contemporary reader. It could have less jokes about shiting but otherwise it's just great.
Read it, especially if you read (at least part) of Republic and felt that it's odd.
It's marvelous how he mixes dealing with serious topics, satirizing more things at once, suprisingly good arguments with very funny comedy. Although response to some crisis they have back then it really interests even contemporary reader. It could have less jokes about shiting but otherwise it's just great.
Read it, especially if you read (at least part) of Republic and felt that it's odd.
July 5, 2014
How very unsurprising that women at the first chance they get implement big nanny government.
December 12, 2024
Leer esto con el audiolibro en x2 de un se帽or argentino muy teatrero ha SIDO UNA EXPERIENCIA
March 8, 2022
Una satira donde las mujeres en Athenas logran llegar al poder y establecen una especie de sistema comunista en lo economico y en lo sexual, si uno se mete en el contexto de la epoca es inmensamente probable que lo que quizo hacer Aristofanes es una burla explicita hacia ellas y tambien explicar que pueden gobernar de una manera igual de caotica segun su obra.
March 19, 2024
Nou ja, tenminste heeft het 位慰蟺伪未慰颅蟿蔚渭伪蠂慰颅蟽蔚位伪蠂慰颅纬伪位蔚慰颅魏蟻伪谓喂慰颅位蔚喂蠄伪谓慰颅未蟻喂渭颅蠀蟺慰颅蟿蟻喂渭渭伪蟿慰颅蟽喂位蠁喂慰颅魏伪蟻伪尾慰颅渭蔚位喂蟿慰颅魏伪蟿伪魏蔚蠂蠀颅渭蔚谓慰颅魏喂蠂位颅蔚蟺喂颅魏慰蟽蟽蠀蠁慰颅蠁伪蟿蟿慰颅蟺蔚蟻喂蟽蟿蔚蟻颅伪位蔚魏蟿蟻蠀慰谓颅慰蟺蟿慰颅魏蔚蠁伪位位喂慰颅魏喂纬魏位慰颅蟺蔚位蔚喂慰颅位伪纬峥澄柯兾瓜佄蔽刮柯参毕單仿勏佄蔽澄蔽轿柯€蟿蔚蟻蠉纬蠅谓
March 21, 2025
moi divertida, ver谩n mais comedia griega neste perfil pr贸ximamente
September 25, 2020
Puan谋m 5/5 (%88/100)
Komedinin Babas谋 olarak 莽a臒r谋lan Aristophanes bir oyununda daha d枚neminin sorunlar谋yla dalga ge莽iyor. Kitap Lysistrata gibi kad谋nlar谋n 艧ehrin y枚netimini ele ge莽irmesini konu ediniyor. Tekrardan bir kad谋n谋 ana karakter yapmas谋yla asl谋nda d枚neminde yaz谋lan di臒er t眉rden eserlerle ve yap谋s谋yla da dalga ge莽iyor Aristophanes. (Tragedya o d枚nemin pop眉ler t眉r眉 ve tragedyalarda kad谋nlar genelde yer almaz, al谋rsa da 莽ok 枚nemsiz ufak rollerde yer al谋r.)
Kitab谋n ana karakteri Praksagora di臒er kad谋nlar谋 topluyor ve erkek k谋l谋臒谋nda bir meclis olu艧turuyor. Bu meclis sayesinde kad谋nlar谋n istedi臒i b眉t眉n kararlar谋 al谋yorlar. 艦ehrin erkekleri de bu abs眉rt kararlara uymak zorunda kal谋yor. Kararlar谋n hepsinden bahsetmem m眉mk眉n de臒il fakat bu kararlar asl谋nda 莽ok 枚nemli bir 枚zellik ta艧谋yor.
Al谋nan kararlar Marksist d眉艧眉ncelere a艧谋r谋 benziyor. Tabi bu eserin 392 gibi bir y谋lda sahnelendi臒ini d眉艧眉n眉rsek Marksist d眉艧眉ncelerin asl谋nda buradan geldi臒ini kabul edebiliriz. Kararlar谋n genel 枚zelli臒i 艧u 艧ekilde; b眉t眉n yiyecek, i莽ecek, 枚nemli m眉cevherler vb. devlete verilecek ve devlet bunu uygun bir 艧ekilde herkese e艧it olarak da臒谋tacak. Bu 艧ekilde h谋rs谋zl谋k, e艧itsizlik, s谋n谋f sistemi gibi 艧eyler ortadan kalkm谋艧 olacak. Tabi ki kararlar sadece bunlardan ibaret de臒il. Kad谋nlar y枚netimi ele ge莽irdi臒i i莽in 艧枚yle kararlar da var: bir erkek gen莽 bir k谋zla yatmadan 枚nce ya艧l谋 bir kad谋n谋 tatmin etmek zorundad谋r.
Kitap iki par莽adan olu艧uyor diyebiliriz. 陌lk k谋s谋m Praksagora'n谋n kararlar谋 a莽谋klad谋臒谋 k谋s谋m, ikincisi ise bu kararlardan sonra 艧ehrin hali. Komedi k谋sm谋 asl谋nda kitab谋n ikinci k谋sm谋nda ortaya 莽谋k谋yor. Bu k谋s谋mda a艧谋r谋 zekice yaz谋lm谋艧, isimlerle yap谋lan s枚zc眉k oyunlar谋ndan tutun da cinsel 艧akalara kadar bir莽ok 艧ey yer al谋yor. (O zaman谋n Yunanistan'谋n谋 d眉艧眉n眉rsek bunlar 莽ok b眉y眉k yenilikler. Ayr谋ca bir o kadar da cesur.)
Kitab谋 莽ok be臒endim ger莽ekten. Okudu臒um en iyi 莽evirilerden olabilir. Espriler ve 艧akalar 莽eviri olmas谋na ra臒men orijinal谋 gibi tat veriyor. Kitab谋 okurken ger莽ekten g眉l眉mseyip durdum.
Komedinin Babas谋 olarak 莽a臒r谋lan Aristophanes bir oyununda daha d枚neminin sorunlar谋yla dalga ge莽iyor. Kitap Lysistrata gibi kad谋nlar谋n 艧ehrin y枚netimini ele ge莽irmesini konu ediniyor. Tekrardan bir kad谋n谋 ana karakter yapmas谋yla asl谋nda d枚neminde yaz谋lan di臒er t眉rden eserlerle ve yap谋s谋yla da dalga ge莽iyor Aristophanes. (Tragedya o d枚nemin pop眉ler t眉r眉 ve tragedyalarda kad谋nlar genelde yer almaz, al谋rsa da 莽ok 枚nemsiz ufak rollerde yer al谋r.)
Kitab谋n ana karakteri Praksagora di臒er kad谋nlar谋 topluyor ve erkek k谋l谋臒谋nda bir meclis olu艧turuyor. Bu meclis sayesinde kad谋nlar谋n istedi臒i b眉t眉n kararlar谋 al谋yorlar. 艦ehrin erkekleri de bu abs眉rt kararlara uymak zorunda kal谋yor. Kararlar谋n hepsinden bahsetmem m眉mk眉n de臒il fakat bu kararlar asl谋nda 莽ok 枚nemli bir 枚zellik ta艧谋yor.
Al谋nan kararlar Marksist d眉艧眉ncelere a艧谋r谋 benziyor. Tabi bu eserin 392 gibi bir y谋lda sahnelendi臒ini d眉艧眉n眉rsek Marksist d眉艧眉ncelerin asl谋nda buradan geldi臒ini kabul edebiliriz. Kararlar谋n genel 枚zelli臒i 艧u 艧ekilde; b眉t眉n yiyecek, i莽ecek, 枚nemli m眉cevherler vb. devlete verilecek ve devlet bunu uygun bir 艧ekilde herkese e艧it olarak da臒谋tacak. Bu 艧ekilde h谋rs谋zl谋k, e艧itsizlik, s谋n谋f sistemi gibi 艧eyler ortadan kalkm谋艧 olacak. Tabi ki kararlar sadece bunlardan ibaret de臒il. Kad谋nlar y枚netimi ele ge莽irdi臒i i莽in 艧枚yle kararlar da var: bir erkek gen莽 bir k谋zla yatmadan 枚nce ya艧l谋 bir kad谋n谋 tatmin etmek zorundad谋r.
Kitap iki par莽adan olu艧uyor diyebiliriz. 陌lk k谋s谋m Praksagora'n谋n kararlar谋 a莽谋klad谋臒谋 k谋s谋m, ikincisi ise bu kararlardan sonra 艧ehrin hali. Komedi k谋sm谋 asl谋nda kitab谋n ikinci k谋sm谋nda ortaya 莽谋k谋yor. Bu k谋s谋mda a艧谋r谋 zekice yaz谋lm谋艧, isimlerle yap谋lan s枚zc眉k oyunlar谋ndan tutun da cinsel 艧akalara kadar bir莽ok 艧ey yer al谋yor. (O zaman谋n Yunanistan'谋n谋 d眉艧眉n眉rsek bunlar 莽ok b眉y眉k yenilikler. Ayr谋ca bir o kadar da cesur.)
Kitab谋 莽ok be臒endim ger莽ekten. Okudu臒um en iyi 莽evirilerden olabilir. Espriler ve 艧akalar 莽eviri olmas谋na ra臒men orijinal谋 gibi tat veriyor. Kitab谋 okurken ger莽ekten g眉l眉mseyip durdum.
November 5, 2022
A learned defense of the rights of the ugly.
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January 23, 2023Lmao Aristophanes
July 29, 2023
Aparecen en escena mujeres vestidas de hombres para participar en la asamblea y dar voz que las mujeres gobiernan la ciudad, al estar de acuerdo la mayor铆a de los 鈥渮apateros鈥�, y es lo que se hace.
As铆 es, sin contexto ni fundamentos es lo que dicta la ley al tratarse de una comedia, bastante divertida la verdad, que los tres temas fundamentales que aparecen y es, pr谩cticamente, subrayado hasta no m谩s poder, es decir que ocupan varias p谩ginas, es: 鈥渃agar鈥�, 鈥渜ue gobiernan las mujeres鈥�, 鈥渏ovenes que tengan sexo con la vieja m谩s fea鈥�.
Ante la 茅poca que fue escrita y que aparecen datos que albergan en nuestro tiempo hoy en d铆a, como la paga de asistir a la asamblea aludiendo de lo que pasa ahora con los pol铆ticos; como as铆 tambi茅n el hincapi茅 hist贸rico de la 茅poca de Grecia para dar uso de conocimiento de que las mujeres eran seres p谩lidos 鈥攏o sal铆an mucho de casa como los hombres que se tostaban en el sol por trabajar y demases acciones鈥�, que solo atend铆an o administraban que haceres del hogar, crianzas de sus hijos, y la reproducci贸n sexual, aunque sin embargo si participaban much铆simo en los ritos religiosos por lo que es all铆 que obtaban 鈥攎ediante un sorteo鈥� ser sacerdoista libres, es decir que no necesitaban la presencia de un hombre en si, o sea un padre, hermano, esposo o tutor.
Por lo que est谩 obra da una vuelta total de tuerca ante la sociedad, haci茅ndonos ver qu茅 tanto con el mandato con los varones como de las mujeres mucho no cambia la cosa, ambos son totalmente terribles ante la ley que imponen.
Seguramente Arist贸fanes cuando espuso la obra no esperaba m谩s all谩 de eso, es decir un cambio de verdad, por lo qued贸 como una comedia que cr铆tica varios casos de pol铆tica, defiende a las mujeres como al mismo tiempo se burla de ellas y que mucho no se pod铆a opinar sino se cumpl铆a con la ley.
As铆 es, sin contexto ni fundamentos es lo que dicta la ley al tratarse de una comedia, bastante divertida la verdad, que los tres temas fundamentales que aparecen y es, pr谩cticamente, subrayado hasta no m谩s poder, es decir que ocupan varias p谩ginas, es: 鈥渃agar鈥�, 鈥渜ue gobiernan las mujeres鈥�, 鈥渏ovenes que tengan sexo con la vieja m谩s fea鈥�.
Ante la 茅poca que fue escrita y que aparecen datos que albergan en nuestro tiempo hoy en d铆a, como la paga de asistir a la asamblea aludiendo de lo que pasa ahora con los pol铆ticos; como as铆 tambi茅n el hincapi茅 hist贸rico de la 茅poca de Grecia para dar uso de conocimiento de que las mujeres eran seres p谩lidos 鈥攏o sal铆an mucho de casa como los hombres que se tostaban en el sol por trabajar y demases acciones鈥�, que solo atend铆an o administraban que haceres del hogar, crianzas de sus hijos, y la reproducci贸n sexual, aunque sin embargo si participaban much铆simo en los ritos religiosos por lo que es all铆 que obtaban 鈥攎ediante un sorteo鈥� ser sacerdoista libres, es decir que no necesitaban la presencia de un hombre en si, o sea un padre, hermano, esposo o tutor.
Por lo que est谩 obra da una vuelta total de tuerca ante la sociedad, haci茅ndonos ver qu茅 tanto con el mandato con los varones como de las mujeres mucho no cambia la cosa, ambos son totalmente terribles ante la ley que imponen.
Seguramente Arist贸fanes cuando espuso la obra no esperaba m谩s all谩 de eso, es decir un cambio de verdad, por lo qued贸 como una comedia que cr铆tica varios casos de pol铆tica, defiende a las mujeres como al mismo tiempo se burla de ellas y que mucho no se pod铆a opinar sino se cumpl铆a con la ley.
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螘魏蟿蔚委谓蔚蟿伪喂 蟽蔚 蟺维谓蠅 伪蟺蠈 5 蟽蟿喂蠂慰蠀蟼 魏伪喂 蔚喂谓伪喂 蟽蠀谓蟿伪纬畏 蠄伪蟻喂魏蠅谓 蟿慰 慰蟺慰喂慰 蟺喂伪蟿慰 胃伪 蟽蔚蟻尾喂蟻喂蟽蟿蔚喂 蟽蟿慰 纬位苇谓蟿喂 蟿慰蠀 蔚蟺喂位蠈纬慰蠀. 螘委谓伪喂 蔚蟺委蟽畏蟼 魏伪喂 畏 蟿蔚位蔚蠀蟿伪委伪 位苇尉畏 蟿慰蠀 苇蟻纬慰蠀. 螘 魏伪喂 萎胃蔚位伪 谓伪 蟿畏谓 未蠅 纬蟻伪渭渭苇谓畏, 魏伪喂 蟽蟿鈥� 伪蟻蠂伪喂伪.
韦蠋蟻伪 蟺苇蟻伪蟽蔚 魏伪喂 蟿慰蟽慰蟼 魏伪喂蟻慰蟼 伪位位伪 胃蠀渭伪渭伪喂 谓伪 蟺伪蟻伪魏慰位慰蠀胃蠋 蟽蟿慰 纬喂慰蠀蟿喂慰蠀渭蟺 蟿畏谓 蟺伪蟻伪蟽蟿伪蟽畏 渭蔚 蟿畏谓 螒蟻蠋谓畏. 螖蔚 胃蠀渭伪渭伪喂 蟿慰 蟿蔚位慰蟼 伪位位维 胃蠀渭伪渭伪喂 谓伪 尾位蔚蟺蠅 蔚谓伪 喂魏伪谓蠈 蟺慰蟽慰蟽蟿蠈 蟿慰蠀 蔚蟻纬慰蠀.
December 1, 2023
Sometimes I forget history and think 鈥渨ow people are entertained by such degenerate humour nowadays.鈥� And then I read an Aristophanes play and remember 鈥渓ol nah we鈥檝e been laughing at the same things for thousands of years.鈥�
Bawdy as they may be, Aristophanes鈥� plays are also chock-full of uncomfortable political truths, and this one is no exception. The underlying premise is that democracy inevitably leads to the rule of the inferior over the superior, which degrades both. Tocqueville said the same thing millennia later, and looking at the current state of America, it鈥檚 hard to argue with.
Bawdy as they may be, Aristophanes鈥� plays are also chock-full of uncomfortable political truths, and this one is no exception. The underlying premise is that democracy inevitably leads to the rule of the inferior over the superior, which degrades both. Tocqueville said the same thing millennia later, and looking at the current state of America, it鈥檚 hard to argue with.
January 1, 2025
3.5*
Comme quoi les Grecs 茅taient r茅ellement plus avanc茅s que nous, puisqu鈥橝ristophane, dans une com茅die grecque, met de l鈥檃vant le f茅minisme et le droit des femmes.
C鈥櫭﹖ait dr么le et vulgaire, mon genre d鈥檋umour.
Mais comme n鈥檌mporte quelle pi猫ce de l鈥櫭﹑oque, il y avait beaucoup trop de trou dans l鈥檋istoire et des formulations 脿 se casser le ciboulot.
Je crois tout de m锚me que 莽a rentre dans les classiques et je suis contente de l鈥檃voir lu.
Comme quoi les Grecs 茅taient r茅ellement plus avanc茅s que nous, puisqu鈥橝ristophane, dans une com茅die grecque, met de l鈥檃vant le f茅minisme et le droit des femmes.
C鈥櫭﹖ait dr么le et vulgaire, mon genre d鈥檋umour.
Mais comme n鈥檌mporte quelle pi猫ce de l鈥櫭﹑oque, il y avait beaucoup trop de trou dans l鈥檋istoire et des formulations 脿 se casser le ciboulot.
Je crois tout de m锚me que 莽a rentre dans les classiques et je suis contente de l鈥檃voir lu.
January 29, 2024
Sehr sehr lustig, aber meine 脺bersetzung war nicht die beste (leider! Ich habe diese Kom枚die geliebt).
August 18, 2021
螘谓未喂伪蠁蔚蟻慰谓 蟿慰 蠈蟿喂 伪蟺慰蟻慰蠉谓 慰喂 蟽蠂慰位喂伪蟽蟿苇蟼 蟺蠅蟼 纬委谓蔚蟿伪喂 慰 螒蚁喂蟽蟿慰蠁维谓畏蟼 谓伪 萎尉蔚蟻蔚 蟿畏谓 慰蠀蟽委伪 蟿畏蟼 蟺位伪蟿蠅谓喂魏畏蟼 蟺慰位喂蟿蔚委伪蟼 魏伪喂 谓伪 蟿畏谓 未喂伪魏蠅渭蠅未慰蠀蟽蔚 未苇魏伪 蠂蟻蠈谓喂伪 蟺蟻喂谓 魏蠀魏位慰蠁慰蟻萎蟽蔚喂.
December 30, 2020
鈥淎s feias e mal acabadas ficar茫o ao lado das mais bonitas, e quem quiser as bonitonas ter谩 que satisfazer primeiro as feiosas鈥�
February 1, 2023
Meget sjov
October 28, 2014
The Ecclesiazusae is another women-centric play by Aristophanes that focuses on women who want to change their domestic roles and experience being men... so they take their husbands' clothes and grow facial hair to become more like men. This play is a lot like Lysistrata in many senses- the plot is similar, the characters are similar, and the message being put across is similar. I think I may have liked this one a little bit more, but I think that is only marginal. Both are great, I just find it funny that this group of women would willingly start growing beards and leg hair.
I really enjoy plays like this because they feel so modern, yet so accurate for the time. In many ways, Aristophanes seemed to be very much ahead of his time, byt not to a degree which inhibited his ability to do well in competitions at the time. In short, I really see him as more than a funny comedian, but as a very scathing thinker as well. Plays that attack a patriarchy that was in place at the time only seem to come from Aristophanes most of the time, which really brings his intellectuality into light.
I really enjoy plays like this because they feel so modern, yet so accurate for the time. In many ways, Aristophanes seemed to be very much ahead of his time, byt not to a degree which inhibited his ability to do well in competitions at the time. In short, I really see him as more than a funny comedian, but as a very scathing thinker as well. Plays that attack a patriarchy that was in place at the time only seem to come from Aristophanes most of the time, which really brings his intellectuality into light.
January 5, 2016
An interesting concept that Aristophanes brings up, being one of the oldest representations of a Communist society I've seen. And while it pokes fun at this society where everyone receives a commonwealth, it also inadvertently pokes fun at women ruling this society, which is a big weakness for Ecclesiazusae. The problem I've seen with Aristophanes' comedies involving politics and women is that you could see him supporting women's rights, but just as easily see him making fun of it. And between this play and Lysistrata, I'd have to say Lysistrata is the more clever and comedic of the two plays.
February 21, 2016
Esos griegos...
July 27, 2020
De nuevo, vengo aqu铆 a decir que Arist贸fanes es un genio.
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