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468 pages, Paperback

First published January 1, 1997

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Terry Pratchett

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Sir Terence David John Pratchett was an English author, humorist, and satirist, best known for the Discworld series of 41 comic fantasy novels published between 1983鈥�2015, and for the apocalyptic comedy novel Good Omens (1990), which he co-wrote with Neil Gaiman.
Pratchett's first novel, The Carpet People, was published in 1971. The first Discworld novel, The Colour of Magic, was published in 1983, after which Pratchett wrote an average of two books a year. The final Discworld novel, The Shepherd's Crown, was published in August 2015, five months after his death.
With more than 100 million books sold worldwide in 43 languages, Pratchett was the UK's best-selling author of the 1990s. He was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in 1998 and was knighted for services to literature in the 2009 New Year Honours. In 2001 he won the annual Carnegie Medal for The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents, the first Discworld book marketed for children. He received the World Fantasy Award for Life Achievement in 2010.
In December 2007 Pratchett announced that he had been diagnosed with early-onset Alzheimer's disease. He later made a substantial public donation to the Alzheimer's Research Trust (now Alzheimer's Research UK, ARUK), filmed three television programmes chronicling his experiences with the condition for the BBC, and became a patron of ARUK. Pratchett died on 12 March 2015, at the age of 66.

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October 4, 2020
A homage to the always funny punchline of saber rattling with the danger of an escalating, raging war because of instrumentalized patriotism around a small piece of worthless land, in this case, a tiny island.

Diplomacy is an art of its own and wait what Vetinari has prepared towards the end, it麓s a masterpiece of interstate relationship longtime planning. Possibly many real life troubles, quarrels, and close to Mutual Assured Destruction WW3 scenarios went, are just going, and will go a similar way, one better doesn麓t start thinking about it. Pratchett mixes the economic incentives with patriotism, politics, and faith, showing how the different forces develop their different grades of madness, who is more influenced by which dogma, and how this affects the military capabilities.

Racism is a big player in here too, I should consider making a list which of the critical complexes gets most of Pratchett麓s attention, but possibly he was so ingenious to make a balanced mix to satirize all of them and my endeavor would be useless.

Leonard of Quirm, symbolizing the power of science, is one of the most meta potential characters, the idea of Vetinari controlling technological and thereby sociological and economical development is fascinating, because the has profound and longtime ideas about how society should or should not develop. How often similar things happened, are happening, and will happen in real history, is a fascinating subject, just take not avoiding giving people universal basic income by suddenly using all secret military prototypes to make most jobs useless, giving cures for aging that make 200 years lifetime possible, and all the real before and possible later developments.

It麓s interesting to watch Samuel Vines麓 development, one of the rare character transformations Pratchett included in his work, and how the executive force, be it police, incompetent or capable generals, mercenary armies,鈥s always an important, unpredictable factor on the battlefield. Much of what was masterfully planned in theory, even with logic and good statistics, failed because of such, suddenly appearing, factors.

Humankind ought consider to start thinking why it would still easily be possible to start major wars because of ridiculous territorial disputes and faith, if it would at least be a question of survival, cultural identity, or half of the territory of the state in question, it wouldn麓t seem that silly.

Tropes show how literature is conceptualized and created and which mixture of elements makes works and genres unique:


This one is added to all Pratchettian reviews:

The idea of the dissected motifs rocks, highlighting the main real world inspirational elements of fiction and satire is something usually done with so called higher literature, but a much more interesting field in readable literature, as it offers the joy of reading, subtle criticism, and feeling smart all together.
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December 26, 2024
Sam Vimes, Lord Vetinari, where are you in Roundworld's greatest hour of need?!!
鈥�---鈥�----------------------

鈥榃hy are our people going out there?鈥� said Mr Boggis of the Thieves鈥� Guild.
鈥楤ecause they are showing a brisk pioneering spirit and seeking wealth and . . . additional wealth in a new land,鈥� said Lord Vetinari.
鈥榃hat鈥檚 in it for the Klatchians?鈥� said Lord Downey.
鈥極h, they鈥檝e gone out there because they are a bunch of unprincipled opportunists always ready to grab something for nothing,鈥� said Lord Vetinari.


'Wazir comes from Smale, you see,' said Carrot. 'And Mr Goriff comes from Elharib, and the two
countries only stopped fighting ten years ago. Religious differences.'
'Ran out of weapons?' said Vimes.
'Ran out of rocks, sir. They ran out of weapons last century.'
Vimes shook his head. 'That always chews me up,' he said. 'People killing one another just because their gods have squabbled-'
'Oh, they've got the same god, sir. Apparently it's over a word in their holy book, sir. The Elharibians say it translates as "god" and the Smalies say it's "man".'
'How can you mix them up?'
'Well, there's only one tiny dot difference in the script, you see. And some people reckon it's only a bit of fly dirt in any case.'
'Centuries of war because a fly crapped in the wrong place?'
'It could have been worse,' said Carrot. 'If it had been slightly to the left the word would have been 鈥榣iquorice'.'


On consideration, I would say "Jingo" is my 2nd favourite book of the Ankh-Morportk City Watch series (right after ) and my 3rd favourite in the complete Discworld series (after and ).

It was due to this book I decided that I want Sir Samuel Vimes as my literary husband (I am truly sorry, Mr Darcy, but you just have to move on. In any case, you have Lizzy Bennet and the adoration of the rest of the world to console you and yes, we can still be friends.) and my (secret) crush for Vetinari started.

And if I were an educational authority preferably with international competence, I would make all the politicians of the world read it and discuss it in class and write essays about it and if they scored higher than C+, then and only then would I allow them to hold office of any kind. But it is wishful thinking as well as longing for more Vetinaris and Sam Vimeses in the world.

In "Jingo" Terry Pratchett is actually waging a bitter and deeply sad one-man war against nationalism, racism, religious fundamentalism, territorialism and all kinds of nasty-ISMS invented by men and he does it the way he knows best: by making you laugh out loud and think! And there is no better way to do it, in my book anyway.
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November 15, 2024
"Gen'rals gathered in their masses,
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction,
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning,
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind,
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh Lord yeah" 鈥� Ozzy

War on the Discworld.

Sir Terry Pratchhett鈥檚 satire on war and all things warlike 鈥� from the martial to the blindly jingoistic - was a lot of fun. Seems a lost and forgotten island bubbles up from the depths in waters contested between Klatch and Anhk-Morpork and both sides are quick to let the fans of discord blow them to extremes.

More than just a parody of war, Pratchett examines the unhealthy but apparently primal urges of some to lean that way despite all sense otherwise. Pratchett鈥檚 character Lord Rust sees to embody all that is nonsensical about the 鈥渦s versus them鈥� populist rhetoric. We also get to meet 71 Hour Ahmed, one of Pratchett鈥檚 most memorable Discworld players.

I also very much enjoyed the Lovecraft references.

For Discworld fans and for Pratchett fans everywhere.

*** 2024 reread -

Before Monstrous Regiment, there was Jingo, and while this is a Discworld book and is therefore funny, it is also one of his most serious as this involves a serious subject and Pratchett, like satirists before him and since, can make playful fun of a subject while still holding true to the reasons why we're here.

Not just war between nations but the machinations of war, the behind the scenes lunacy that gets young men killed and makes some old men rich.

Sir Terry dedicated this book to "all the fighters for peace" and such a double entendre is perfectly Pratchett. We also discover a dwarf named Bashful Bashfulson, a magic carpet ride, a host of cultural and literary references and a lots more time in Klatch while we get to know Vetinari even better.

There is a character named The Artful Nudger, in a clear allusion to Dickens, but I submit that here Pratchett has channeled his inner Charles to a far far better place and we have in Jingo a strident, though still funny anti-war novel.

The scenes with Fred and Nobby and Vetinari in Klatch were golden.

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Jingo (Discworld #21), Terry Pratchett

Jingo is a fantasy novel by British writer Terry Pratchett, part of his Discworld series. It was published in 1997.

With the opening of the novel, the island of Leshp, which had been submerged under the Circle Sea for centuries, rises to the surface. Its position, exactly halfway between Ankh-Morpork and Al Khali (the capital of Klatch), makes the island a powerful strategical point for whoever lays claim to it, which both cities do.

In Ankh-Morpork, a Klatchian Prince named Khufurah is parading through Ankh-Morpork, where he will be presented with a Degree in Sweet Fanny Adams (Doctorum Adamus cum Flabello Dulci), but an assassination attempt occurs, and the Prince is wounded. Sir Samuel Vimes, Commander of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch, begins investigating the crime, originally suspecting both a Klatchian named 71-Hour Ahmed and a senior Morporkian peer, Lord Rust, of being involved.

The attempted assassination breaks off relations between Ankh-Morpork and Klatch as Prince Khufurah's brother, Prince Cadram, effectively declares war on the city of Ankh-Morpork. At this point, Havelock Vetinari, Patrician of Ankh-Morpork, resigns鈥攁pparently of his own free will鈥攁nd Lord Rust takes command of the city.

Vetinari has refused to become involved in the war with Klatch, due to the fact Ankh-Morpork does not have an army to stand against any opposing forces (the reason given being that killing enemy soldiers makes it difficult to sell them things afterwards), but Rust declares Martial law and orders the city's noble families to revive their old private regiments.

Vimes, refusing to follow Rust, stands down as Commander of the Watch. Captain Carrot resigns as well, as do Sergeant Colon, Sergeant Detritus and Corporal Angua.

The idea of putting the watch under the command of Corporal Nobbs is rejected by the ruling Council of Guild leaders and the Watch is disbanded.

Vimes then recruits the Watch into his own private army regiment, reasoning that, as an official noble, he is entitled to do so by law and by Lord Rust's command, with the group remaining independent as knights legally fall under command of the king or his duly appointed representatives, neither of which exist in Ankh-Morpork.

Angua, following 71-Hour Ahmed, is captured by the Klatchians and taken to Klatch. Carrot, rather than rush off to save her, reports back to Vimes, who gets his private army to head for Klatch.

Meanwhile, Nobby and Sergeant Colon have been recruited by Vetinari and his pet inventor, Leonard of Quirm, on a secret mission of their own, unknown to Vimes.

Vetinari, Leonard of Quirm, Colon, and Nobby end up in Leonard's "Going-Under-the-Water-Safely Device" and discover that Leshp is actually floating on top of a huge bubble of gas, and that the gas is escaping from said bubble, meaning that Leshp will, ultimately, sink back under the sea again.

Vimes catches up with 71-hour Ahmed and has, by this time, figured out that Ahmed is a fellow policeman.

Ahmed tells Vimes that Prince Cadram was responsible for the assassination attempt on Prince Khufurah. Ahmed and his band of Klatchian D'regs and Vimes' army head towards Gebra, in Klatch, where the war is due to start. ...

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鬲丕乇蹖禺 亘賴賳诏丕賲 乇爻丕賳蹖 14/01/1400賴噩乇蹖 禺賵乇卮蹖丿蹖貨 丕. 卮乇亘蹖丕賳蹖
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April 11, 2014


I am a Granny Weatherwax guy. With no hesitation. You ask me which Pratchett story arc is the best and I will yell to the world how awesome the witches of Lancre are. But I got a dirty secret; it wasn鈥檛 always this way to me. Granny is the other woman, the one I left my first love for. Before I fell in love with Granny, I was a city watch man through and through. Reading Jingo again has reminded me exactly why.

It is not the best book of the Discworld series, not by a long shot. Even against the other city watch books it probably sits in, well, bottom half for sure. Behind Guards! Guards!, Feet of Clay, and Night Watch definitely. Been too long since I read The Fifth Elephant, but I remember it being pretty good too. So, let鈥檚 give it the fifth spot and go from there. So the fourth or fifth best book in my second favorite subplot of a large series and I still flew through and gobbled up every damn word.

A small, tactically worthless island appears out of nowhere between Ankh-Morpork and Klatch. Of course both sides claim it and suddenly peaceful relations turn sour. A diplomatic mission from Klatch goes sour and soon enough war appears to be the only result. But it should be over quickly right, just as soon as those foreign dogs get a taste of cold steel they will run to the hills, right?

Not the most subtle of book, but Pratchett is known to hide a single piccolo in a brass band. If you are looking for the in jokes they are always there, but there are plenty of big jokes to play around with even if you don鈥檛 see them. This time we are dealing with national politics, war, racism and immigration, and of course, national jingoism.

There is an early scene in this book that sums up everything I love about Pratchett, and it is only a few pages long. But our good friends Colon and Nobby are watching the cities jingoistic sailors prepare for way, specifically a sign painter who has missed a letter 鈥榚鈥� in the Pride of Ankh-Morpork. And while they wait for their minor schadenfreude Colon 鈥榚ducates鈥� Nobby on the politics of the situation; strait from the reliable sources of 鈥榳hat some bloke told me in a pub.鈥� Nobby sits and pokes holes in every amount of Colon鈥檚 non PC argument by agreeing with in in a very telling way. It is a conversation that could be held in any bar across the country and it is damn near perfect. All tied together at the end by the two sharing a minor victory as the man painting his ship finds the mistake they have been watching for.

At this point the City Watch as grown so large that only a few members get any actual development in the book, most just stick to their old roles or give a bit of comic relief. Carrot is established at this point; certainly not a king but a man people can鈥檛 help but follow (all the way to a foreign country if need be). Sadly Angua may as well be invisible; this is a rare Pratchett outing that forgets to give the female characters anything to do at all. Nobbs learns a bit more about love, and Vimes learns once again that he is bought and sold. I had never before noticed that Vimes shows apparent growth in each book of his story arc, yet in each is in the exact same place by the end; he just gets a new title or concession thrown his way after the Patrician is done pulling all the right strings (well, wasn鈥檛 the Patrician this time, but strings were still pulled).

Not sure why I don鈥檛 rate this one as high as some of the earlier ones. Perhaps it is because all the watch is present but few have much to do. The relative lack of Angua especially is missed. It is very over the top in making its point this time around; the Ankh-Morporkians are so stupidly sure of themselves against their 鈥榰ncivilized鈥� neighbors it should be laughable (if history didn鈥檛 show people with that misplaced confidence time and again). And of course the whole Vimes is in a rut thing is starting to show.

But I liked it better than I remembered. Humor? Still top notch. If you don鈥檛 find a zombie catching rats and calling it a foreign disease hilarious you have no soul (especially when you learn of the cure). And who can forget rival street gangs putting their thumbs in their ears and chanting together a silly little nonsense. Good stuff. And I have always wondered where you find lowerglyphics, what it means when seaweed is wet, and why someone would carry around a life sized inflatable donkey. I enjoyed Vimes鈥� new rival, 71 Hour Ahmed, who has a very unique way of keeping people off guard. I was also fairly impressed about the eventual conclusion to the early stories crime (the war itself came later). Everyone suspects everyone, even themselves, and both sides wanted to claim the criminal as their own is a different type of thing.

Not the best, but a solid entry.

4 Stars
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November 30, 2024
Re-Read 11/29/24:

Still a great anti-war read, Discworld-style..

Fun fact, it came out in 1997, with memories of the first Gulf War still fresh in everyone's minds and a whole slew of echoes of a world full of complicated issues and uncomplicated jingoisms.

Of course, with enough PR, any war can be turned into something glorious... right? Even stupid islands rising up out of nowhere can be a good enough reason to go to war, right?

Yeah, well, there are worse. And TP seems to be pretty great at skewering them all. :)





Original Review:

War. War never changes.

Unless you're talking about Discworld.

And then history tends to change based on what you had to eat and whether or not a football is involved. And then, you need to remember the importance of knowing your neighbor's names.

You know... this second time reading this was much more interesting than the first. I simply had a much better time going to war. There's nothing like a bit of stabby stabby or running away from a certain man of the watch dressed up like a woman to get the blood moving.

Still, I have to say... poor Vimes. A dukedom? The poor man!!!



Personal note:
If anyone reading my reviews might be interested in reading my own SF, I'm going to be open to DM requests. I think it's about time I get some eyes on them.

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July 23, 2023
I read the entire series of Discworld many years ago and have all the paperbacks sitting on my shelves.
It was so nice to dip into them again - I must do it more often!

All my favourite characters turn up in . Sam Vimes and Carrot are there along with the rest of the Watch. Veterinari performs his usual discreet handling of events. Even Death shows up a couple of times. Of course, being Pratchett, the humour is laugh aloud funny, and the story is entertaining and cleverly put together.

This was an amazing series written by an excellent author. A great legacy for us to remember him by. Now which one will I read next?
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November 28, 2024
Bingly-bingly-bingly beep!

It was time for my monthly dose of Discworld!

Once upon a time, I would have sworn that NOTHING could ever surpass one of the witches novels in this series. Today, I have to confess that might no longer be the case.

This 21st novel, initially unbeknownst to me, is one of the novels featuring The Watch. As such, we get Sgt. Colon, Nobby, Angua, Captain Carrot, Detritus (my favourite) and Commander/Lord/Sir Vimes and the rest of their weird bunch as well as the entirety of Ankh-Morpork including Lord Vetinari.

An island has risen out of the ocean, sporting all the buildings and stuff it originally sank with. Soon after, the first two fishermen start fighting (despite their sons best efforts to stop them) about who the island belongs to: Ankh-Morpork or Klatch.

Thus, a Klatchian delegation arrives in the city, there is to be a pompous ceremony, fights break out (yes, nothing new in that city, but still entertaining), a diplomat is killed, a certain werewolf gets "kidnapped", and some people with titles think they need to get the old dusted book of traditions out and start a war.
You know those movies (or even real-life scenes) where two neighbours are starting a war across their fence? Yeah, like that. With the difference that the dwarves are actual people in this one and the "tools" used include useful-but-tragically-long-named-inventions. Oh, and swords. The kind that is so big it carries you, not the other way around.
Never fear though, because no matter how reluctant he is, Vimes is not gonna let any crime go unpunished, no matter how many diplomats he needs to get rid of first.

In this novel, even more than in others I know so far, the author once again proves why he is known and loved around the world. He is a word smith who weaves puns and images into sharp criticism about xenophobia, misogyny, duty ... He also nicely points out the difference between the military and police force and all I can say is that many people, then and now, should rather read this book than any modern rules and regulations. Could get some sense between those thick ears.
Which proves that Pratchett was not only a fantastic writer but also a keen observant. He actually saw the world, the politics, the diplomacy, crime and punishment, social affairs, human psychology (hell, even the distinction over who is the leader of anything on paper and who REALLY knows what's going on) - and he knew that you best get them when you are making them laugh first.
He paints a scene, several scenes actually, and lets loose a host of characters you either already know and love or will fall in love with after 3 seconds. And not just Carrot, who even gets the gutter rats to do as they are told. I mean, I almost lost it when !
Not to mention that I want someone like Vetinari ruling the city/state I live in with someone like Vimes to make sure it's (relatively) safe. *lol*

The Watch was, again, hilarious. Be it Colon and Nobby on their way with Vetinari and that inventor; or Vetinari himself showing that rather unexpected and yet totally familiar side; or the Arch-Chancellor when trying to herd a procession; or Vimes meeting his Klatchian counterpart; or Vimes' and Lady Sybil's butler in a whole new uniform. But they also made you think - like Colon when he reminisced about his days in the military.
Just look at those quotes! The humour is just there to soften the blow while simultaneously driving the knife in even deeper.

Veni, vici ... Vetinari! You best believe me or I'll ask Nobby to show you his "lady-parts". BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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March 26, 2017
"It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things."

Jingo is an anti-war book in the guise of an absurdist farcical satire.

I've been working on getting though the Discworld books since I was sixteen, which is now exactly half my life ago. Fitting that I am also now halfway through Terry Pratchett's most famous series of books, and just now really getting to the ones that start hitting harder. Judging from this book, a Pratchett book will never be serious, but their silliness is more and more being undercut with a pathos that is riveting, an anger that drives the story. That combo of laughter and rage is something I've not found anywhere else but a Pratchett book. And the more the series goes on, the bolder he gets.

The inciting incident of Jingo is a long-lost island floating up from the middle of the Circle sea, right smack dab in the middle of Ankh-Morpork and Klatch, and both nations claim ownership of it. This leads, of course, to war. Both nations start plotting and scheming. But this isn't a war book like normal war books. This is a book that backs ass backwards into war, after first lighting everything on fire and then everyone plays football*.

*British football, not American. And I'm being quite literal here.

But really all of this is just an excuse for Captain Sam Vimes to get involved. After all, if war is a crime, then who better to go after the criminals and stop it than a copper? And he brings the whole Watch with him. It's not just war that Pratchett sends up here. He also takes jabs at racism, sexism, nationalism. Lots of -isms.

I always have such a hard time writing about these books. I don't know why. Maybe it's just because they're so chock full of everything. Characters, one-liners, elaborately set up satirical gags. Or maybe I just personally have a hard time writing about humor. It's so . . . ineffable.

The only thing here is that I wasn't super in the mood for this type of book when I picked it up. I put it down several times to read other books, and had a hard time picking it back up (but always really enjoyed myself while reading). Next time I pick one of these books up (next up is The Last Continent, a Rincewind book, so I've got to be extra in the mood for that) I'm gonna make sure I'm in the mood. I only have so much Pratchett left.
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December 1, 2020
Originally I rated as three star, but lately I changed my mind after reading a discussion on a forum for Terry Pratchett's fans. This novel might be have less fun story than Feet of Clay, but this book has more memorable quotes (at least for me, and the quotes affecting my life) than majority of other Discworld novels.

The Watch have been growing since the first Watch arch story, with diversity and number of force. The criminal case is getting more complicated too, now there setting is not only on Ankh-Morpork. And I love Lord Vetinari has more active role in this novel.
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September 13, 2019
Full review to come. I loved this much more the second time round! A fine addition to the Night's Watch.
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November 29, 2024
The 21st in my re-read of the entire Discworld series and it was like coming home!

One reason why I decided to re-read the series is that I can never just indulge in one of the volumes. The other is that the audiobooks were newly produced and the casts looked amazing.

Reading this 21st book (in chronological order) are:


Oh yes, we're back in Ankh-Morpork. Kinda. We start in the sea in front of the city where two fisherman (one Klatchian) are first trying to get away from a weathercock and are subsequently fighting over the island rising from the sea to which said weathercock is attached. It's interesting the everything is preserved the way it must have been when it sank.
Anyway, while Ankh-Morpork and Klatch have had good trade relations so far, some people have to get stupid, more people join them and ... well, crowds have never been intelligent, have they?
It doesn't help that there are some "noble" people thinking their moment of glory has come - whatever that means.
So you see, Vimes is not having a good time. Again. Not only does he have to disperse several mobs, he has to be dimplomatic too! Not that he isn't a natural. Too bad the others aren't willing to be sensible.
Oh and then he gets harrassed by his own personal organizer keeps reminding him that today's todo says "dying". While he has to dodge the people on his own side, there is a murder, his own butler wants to join the not-yet-formed army, before war is officially declared even, and some idiots do everything in their power to fuck things up.

Sound familiar? Yeah! I can see a lot of political things from back when this was written, from throughout TP's life, AND from RIGHT NOW that are aptly allegorically represented here.
It's not just baseless xenophobia - it's also the war-mongering, the fear-mongering, the mob-mentality, the over-zealous people who force issues and escalate situations to the disadvantage of everyone and who are (of course) absolutely BAD at giving orders because they don't actually have the first clue about anything.
And then there was the misogyny. God, how much I enjoyed that part - not least thanks to Nobby. Spot on. The author is, usually, but especially here and in a wonderfully extra-sharp-tongued way too.

While it is disheartening seeing current issues represented in old(er) books because it amkes you realize we're not really getting anywhere as a civilisation, at least Pratchett's books also give comfort. Maybe there is no Samuel Vimes anywhere other than these books, but someone DID think him up and create him within the confines of the pages at least. Balm for a tortured soul.

So much (more) happening in this one book. Carrot's heroic sense of duty, for example. Pratchett knew how to counter-balance the good and the moronic with the funny and the endearing / heart-warming.

He was also utterly observant, dragging the idiots then and now in front of a mirror by their ears. To this day, these books are way better than so many "serious" approaches to the themes presented in the various volumes and a more expert examination of them as well.

Veni, vici ... Vetinari! And if that fails, we'll get Nobby and anyone who still doesn't behave then, will be shown his "lady-parts". *cackles evilly*

Yes, the audiobook was a delight again. The only complaint about this new audio version I have is that the narrator of the City Watch books doesn't get the Bingly-bingly-bingly beep! of the imp (inside the personal organizer) right. That was always soooo funny in the original production!

Nevertheless, one of the best installments of the entire series.
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效械褌胁械褉褌邪 泻薪懈谐邪 锌褉芯 胁邪褉褌褍, 褔懈褌邪谢邪 胁锌械褉褕械. 袧邪谐邪写邪谢邪 屑械薪褨 褌褨 褌懈锌懈 械锌褨蟹芯写褨胁 胁 谐褍褉褌芯胁芯屑褍 邪薪褨屑械 泻芯谢懈 "袗 褌械锌械褉 胁褋褟 泻芯屑锌邪褕泻邪 褩写械 薪邪 屑芯褉械". 袨褌 褌褨谢褜泻懈 褌褍褌 薪械 屑芯褉械, 邪 胁褨泄薪邪 蟹 啸邪锌芯薪褨褦褞 (谢芯谢, 褟 褌褨谢褜泻懈 锌芯褌褨屑 写芯褌褍屑泻邪谢邪, 褖芯 啸邪锌芯薪褨褟 褑械 褌邪泻 锌械褉械泻谢邪谢懈 袣谢邪褔 -clutch - 褏邪锌邪褌懈, 褋褌懈褋泻邪褌懈 胁 褉褍褑褨 - 胁 褨薪褕懈褏 泻薪懈谐邪褏 褟 褍褟胁谢褟谢邪 褋芯斜褨 褖芯褋褜 褟锌芯薪褋褜泻械, 邪 褌褉械斜邪 斜褍谢芯 褖芯褋褜 邪褉邪斜褋褜泻械). 袙蟹邪谐邪谢褨 斜邪谐邪褌芯 褋邪褌懈褉懈 薪邪 胁褨泄薪褍, 褨 薪邪 褋褌械褉械芯褌懈锌懈 锌褉芯 褔褍卸懈薪褑褨胁. 袧邪褕褨 褍谢褞斜谢械薪褨 袙邪褉褌芯胁褨 胁卸械 胁褋褌懈谐谢懈 蟹褉芯斜懈褌懈褋褜 褉褨写薪械褋械薪褜泻懈屑懈 (袦芯褉泻胁邪 - 胁褨褔薪懈泄 泻褉邪褕). 些械 胁 褑褨泄 泻薪懈蟹褨 袧芯斜斜褨 写褍卸械 褋屑褨褕薪懈泄, 泻芯谢懈 锌械褉械胁褌褨谢褞褦褌褜褋褟 胁 卸褨薪泻褍 褨 褉芯蟹褍屑褨褦 胁褋褞 锌械褔邪谢褜 卸褨薪芯褔芯谐芯 写芯褋胁褨写褍. 袟胁褨褋薪芯 胁 泻褨薪褑褨 胁褋械 写芯斜褉械. 孝邪泻芯卸 蟹始褟胁懈谢芯褋褜 斜邪卸邪薪薪褟 薪邪斜懈褌懈 褋芯斜褨 Veni, Vidi, Vetinari, 斜芯 械锌褨褔薪芯.

袨写懈薪 屑芯屑械薪褌 蟹 锌械褉械泻谢邪写芯屑 蟹邪褋屑褍褌懈胁, 褌邪屑 斜褍胁 泻邪谢邪屑斜褍褉 薪邪 褋芯斜邪泻褍, 薪邪 褟泻褨泄 褌褉械薪褍褞褌褜 褍屑芯胁薪褨 褉械褎谢械泻褋懈 (褋芯斜邪泻邪 锌邪胁谢芯胁邪), 褟泻邪 褩谢邪 袩邪胁谢芯胁褍 (写械褋械褉褌), 邪谢械 褔芯屑褍褋褜 胁懈褉褨褕懈谢懈 锌械褉械泻谢邪褋褌懈 "褩谢邪 锌芯谢褍薪懈褔薪械 斜械蟹械", 褨 卸邪褉褌 胁褌褉邪褔邪褦褌褜褋褟. 袧褍 邪谢械 褑械 写械褌邪谢褨.
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May 4, 2024
Just okay.
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September 6, 2022
Reading this volume in the marvelous Discworld series puts me just over the half-way mark! I am pacing myself, interspersing these books in between other reading to appreciate them to their fullest. I find that I enjoy some more than others, Jingo was one that is in the 'liked' category, as I didn't feel quite as engaged.

Update 9/5/22 - I truly enjoyed it more second time around. This time, I listened with my husband and daughter. We laughed out loud at intervals!

Here are some examples of what we found so amusing:

"You'd have to call what he was wearing a turban because it wasn't moving fast enough to be called a badger."

鈥淎lready old Fred's face was creasing up in the soft expression of someone who has been mugged in Memory Lane."

"'Mr Vimes?' Only Carrot could whisper like that. He associated whispering with concealment and untruth and compromised by whispering very loudly."

"Brigands, maybe, the dry land equivalent of pirates, but Carrot would have said they were jolly good chaps for all that. If you were content to be their guest then they were as nice as pie, or sheep's eyeball and treacle or whatever you got out here."

One of our very favorite scenes includes Angua, the werewolf: "'I heard her earlier. She's probably enjoying herself. She doesn't really get much of a chance to let herself go in Ankh鈥揗orpork.'
'Er... no...' Vimes had a mental picture of a werewolf letting go."

Then, when asked how he and Angua are getting along living together, Carrot responds, "She buys her own dog biscuits and she's got her own flap in the door." We roared at that!

An ode to mother-in-law jokes: "There was something hauntingly familiar about her and Nobby realized if you cut her in half the words 'mother-in-law' would be all the way through." This is a reference to the sticks of rock you get at the seaside in England, where the place name appears all the way through the candy.

"The door snapped open. The woman within had one of those faces that had settled over the years, as though it had been made of butter and then left in the sun. But age hadn't been able to do much with her hair. It was a violent ginger and piled up like a threatening thunderhead."

All in all this was a wonderful listen that we thoroughly enjoyed. Nigel Planer's narration was excellent as usual.
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August 22, 2023
My friend Chisom got me this ^^

Pratchett takes on the war machine. It doesn't hold up super well, but if you squint past the caricatures and the blurred line of militarized home policing, there's still some good anger towards using fear for profit, told in a very charming Pratchettian way.
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August 23, 2016
English | Espa帽ol (m谩s abajo)

This is the Spanish edition of , I'll try to write a review soon. I haven't had much time lately and I have an awful lot of pending reviews 卢卢. In short: go read it, every single Terry Pratchett book is worth your money and time; especially this one since it's one of the best books in the Discworld series.

Even though each novel can be read as a standalone book, It's highly recommended to read the previous books of the Guards series to get to know the background of some characters.


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隆Voto a Br铆os! Es el cuarto libro de la saga de los Guardias (mi saga favorita dentro de la locura que es Mundodisco) y en 茅l se empieza a notar el progreso de la guardia de Ankh-Morpork en comparaci贸n con el primer libro. Ya no est谩 compuesta 煤nicamente por el capit谩n Vimes, Colon y Nobby, sino que ahora es una verdadera fuerza integrada por miembros de todas las variedades de seres que habitan la ciudad m谩s poblada de Mundodisco: golems, trolls, enanos, hombres lobo, g谩rgolas, e incluso zombies.

Esta enorme variedad de personajes le sirve a Pratchett para hacer lo que se le da mejor y lo que m谩s disfruto de sus novelas: criticar los aspectos m谩s rid铆culos de las diferentes culturas y religiones, creando estereotipos absurdos, pero a la vez sumamente entretenidos de leer. No considero ofensivas estas burlas, sino que por el contrario me parecen una forma bastante inteligente de criticar nuestra realidad sirvi茅ndose de criaturas fant谩sticas; ese aspecto es lo que hace que Mundodisco sea una saga 煤nica, diferente a cualquier historia de fantas铆a que vas a encontrar.

Los guardias son mis personajes favoritos justamente porque reflejan la variedad de culturas y costumbres que existen en el mundo, y como, cuando se dejan estas diferencias de lado, los seres humanos (y los "no tan humanos") son capaces de alcanzar grandes cosas.

Volviendo a lo que es la trama, la misma cobra una mayor dimensi贸n cuando se investiga un poco (busqu茅 todo en Google, tremenda investigaci贸n (?) al respecto. Para escribir esta novela Pratchett se bas贸 en un incidente ocurrido en 1830, en el cual una isla emergi贸 en el Mar Mediterr谩neo y desat贸 un conflicto entre Gran Breta帽a y otros pa铆ses de la zona para ver qui茅n anexaba la isla a su territorio.
A partir de esta premisa, el autor escribe una graciosa historia que se burla de las est煤pidas razones por las cuales se producen las guerras, como en este caso, un pedazo de tierra in煤til en todo sentido.

En esta novela, Pratchett tambi茅n se burla del nacionalismo extremo. El t铆tulo de la novela en ingl茅s es Jingo, el cual es una abreviaci贸n de "jingo铆smo", una idea de imperialismo basada en la expansi贸n violenta sobre otras naciones que surgi贸 en Inglaterra a finales de la era victoriana. Es una filosof铆a extremadamente racista e intolerante que en la novela es plasmada de manera brillante, poniendo de un lado a Klatch que se asemeja a un pa铆s 谩rabe 鈥攃on todas sus costumbres que a nosotros nos resultan aberrantes鈥� y por el otro a Ankh-Morpork, que vendr铆a a representar la civilizaci贸n occidental.

鈥斅縃ace falta una excusa para ir a la guerra? 鈥攄ijo Nobby鈥�. O sea, 驴para qui茅n? 驴No vale con que vayas y digas: 芦T煤 tienes montones de dinero y tierras pero yo tengo una espada muy grande as铆 que ya est谩s d谩ndome lo m铆o, chop chop禄? Es lo que yo dir铆a 鈥攄ijo el cabo Nobbs, estratega militar鈥�. Y ni siquiera lo dir铆a hasta despu茅s de atacar.鈥擜h, pero eso es porque no sabes nada de pol铆tica 鈥攄ijo Colon."

Lo que me parece brillante de los libros de Mundodisco es que logra tocar todos estos temas sin hacerlo de forma aburrida y "repartiendo" para todos lados: en los libros de Pratchett vas a encontrar cr铆ticas y burlas hacia absolutamente todos los aspectos de nuestra vida cotidiana; a veces de forma bastante clara, como ocurre en esta novela, y otras veces de forma m谩s sutil, a trav茅s de peque帽as referencias y gui帽os a diferentes elementos de la "cultura popular".

En fin, como siempre me pasa al escribir acerca de un libro de Mundodisco, me resulta imposible calificarlo porque adoro esta saga. Considero que son libros excelentes y muy recomendables para todo el mundo, sean o no fan谩ticos de las novelas de fantas铆a. Por supuesto que hay algunos libros que no son tan graciosos como otros, e incluso hay algunos bastante flojos, pero es indudable que cada novela de Mundodisco es, como dice Neil Gaiman, "un peque帽o milagro" y rara vez la vas a pasar mal leyendo a Pratchett.

隆Voto a Br铆os! es de los mejores libros que he le铆do hasta el momento dentro de esta enorme y divertid铆sima saga. A pesar de que cada libro de Mundodisco se puede leer de manera independiente, en este caso recomiendo leer por lo menos los tres libros anteriores de la saga de los guardias para poder apreciar c贸mo evolucionan los personajes.

Para conocer los posibles 贸rdenes de lectura de Mundodisco o cu谩les libros recomiendo leer para comenzar la saga,


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September 13, 2023
小 胁褋褟泻邪 泻薪懈谐邪 蟹邪 褋褌褉邪卸懈褌械 屑薪械薪懈械褌芯 屑懈 褋械 蟹邪褌胁褗褉卸写邪胁邪 胁褋械 锌芯胁械褔械 懈 锌芯胁械褔械 - 褌芯胁邪 褋邪 屑芯懈褌械 褏芯褉邪 芯褌 褋胁械褌邪 薪邪 褋褗褉 袩褉邪褌褔械褌!
袣褗写械 写褉褍谐邪写械 懈屑邪 褌芯谢泻芯胁邪 锌褗褋褌褉邪 褋斜懈褉褖懈薪邪 芯褌 懈薪写懈胁懈写懈 斜械蟹 屑芯蟹褗泻 懈 褋 屑芯蟹褗泻 锌芯写 胁褗锌褉芯褋, 泻芯懈褌芯 芯褑械谢褟胁邪褌 锌芯 褍写懈胁懈褌械谢薪懈 薪邪褔懈薪懈 胁 薪邪泄-褖褍褉懈褟 谐褉邪写 胁 屑褍谢褌懈胁褋械谢械薪邪褌邪?
啸邪褉械褋邪 屑懈 懈 褍褔邪褋褌懈械褌芯 薪邪 袙械褌懈薪邪褉懈, 泻芯泄褌芯 褔械褋褌芯 屑懈 芯褋褌邪胁邪 薪褟泻邪泻 胁褋褌褉邪薪懈.
小邪屑芯 泻褉邪褟褌 (褉械褕械薪懈械褌芯 薪邪 锌褉芯斜谢械屑邪) 屑懈 斜械褕械 屑邪谢泻芯... 邪斜械 薪褟泻邪泻... 屑芯卸械褕械 锌芯-懈薪邪褔械, 薪邪谢懈... 袧芯 锌褉芯褖邪胁邪屑.
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January 20, 2025
袩褉械胁褗蟹褏芯写薪邪 褋邪褌懈褉懈褔薪邪 泻薪懈谐邪, 芯褋芯斜械薪芯 邪泻褌褍邪谢薪邪 胁褗胁 胁褉械屑械薪邪 薪邪 斜械褋械薪 薪邪褑懈芯薪邪谢懈蟹褗屑 懈 写械蟹懈薪褎芯褉屑邪褑懈褟! 袪邪蟹斜懈褉邪 褋械, 鈥炐ㄐ拘残感叫秆佈傗€� 械 褋褗褖芯 褌邪泻邪 械写薪邪 芯褌 薪邪泄-蟹邪斜邪胁薪懈褌械 懈褋褌芯褉懈懈 薪邪 孝械褉懈 袩褉邪褌褔械褌 蟹邪 袚褉邪写褋泻邪褌邪 褋褌褉邪卸邪! 小邪屑 袙邪泄屑褋 械 芯褌褋褌褉邪薪械薪 芯褌 锌芯蟹懈褑懈褟褌邪 薪邪 泻芯屑邪薪写懈褉, 薪芯 薪械 褋械 芯褌泻邪蟹胁邪 芯褌 芯锌懈褌懈褌械 褋懈 写邪 褋锌褉械 锌褉械写褋褌芯褟褖邪褌邪 胁芯泄薪邪 屑械卸写褍 袗薪泻褏-袦芯褉锌芯褉泻 懈 袣谢邪褔...




鈥炐浶狙€写 袙械褌懈薪邪褉懈 褋械 胁蟹懈褉邪褕械 褋 谐芯谢褟屑芯 胁薪懈屑邪薪懈械, 蟹邪褖芯褌芯 芯褌 屑薪芯谐芯谐芯写懈褕薪懈褟 褋懈 芯锌懈褌 斜械褕械 褍褋褌邪薪芯胁懈谢, 褔械 褋褗褋褉械写芯褌芯褔械薪芯褌芯 褋谢褍褕邪薪械 薪邪 褋褗斜械褋械写薪懈泻邪 芯斜懈泻薪芯胁械薪芯 谐芯 懈蟹胁邪卸写邪 芯褌 褉邪胁薪芯胁械褋懈械.
袗 薪邪 褋褉械褖邪 泻邪褌芯 褌邪蟹懈, 泻芯谐邪褌芯 袙械褌懈薪邪褉懈 褔褍胁邪褕械 褋褗胁械褌懈褌械 薪邪 谐褉邪写褋泻懈褌械 锌褗褉胁械薪褑懈, 褌芯泄 褋谢褍褕邪褕械 芯褋芯斜械薪芯 褋褗褋褉械写芯褌芯褔械薪芯, 蟹邪褖芯褌芯 褌芯胁邪, 泻芯械褌芯 褏芯褉邪褌邪 泻邪蟹胁邪褏邪, 斜械褕械 芯薪芯胁邪, 泻芯械褌芯 褌械 懈褋泻邪褏邪 写邪 褔褍械. 袟邪褌芯胁邪 袩邪褌褉懈褑懈褟褌 芯斜褉褗褖邪褕械 芯谐褉芯屑薪芯 胁薪懈屑邪薪懈械 薪邪 锌褉芯褋褌褉邪薪褋褌胁邪褌邪 屑械卸写褍 写褍屑懈褌械. 孝邪屑 褋械 薪邪屑懈褉邪褏邪 薪械褖邪褌邪, 蟹邪 泻芯懈褌芯 褋褗斜械褋械写薪懈褑懈褌械 屑褍 褋械 薪邪写褟胁邪褏邪 褌芯泄 写邪 薪械 蟹薪邪械 懈 蟹邪 泻芯懈褌芯 薪械 懈褋泻邪褏邪 褌芯泄 写邪 薪邪褍褔懈.鈥�


鈥炐⌒笛€卸邪薪褌 袣芯谢褗薪 懈屑邪褕械 褕懈褉芯泻邪 芯斜褖邪 泻褍谢褌褍褉邪. 孝芯泄 斜械褕械 屑懈薪邪谢 锌褉械蟹 褕泻芯谢邪褌邪 薪邪 袘邪褖邪 袦懈 袙懈薪邪谐懈 袣邪蟹胁邪褕械, 蟹邪胁褗褉褕懈谢 斜械褕械 泻芯谢械卸邪 袙褋懈褔泻懈 袟薪邪褟褌, 邪 胁 屑芯屑械薪褌邪 锌褉邪胁械褕械 邪褋锌懈褉邪薪褌褍褉邪 胁 褍薪懈胁械褉褋懈褌械褌邪 袝写懈薪 效芯胁械泻 袙 袣褉褗褔屑邪褌邪 袚芯 袪邪蟹锌褉邪胁褟.鈥�


鈥炐� 械写胁邪 锌芯-泻褗褋薪芯 芯褋褗蟹薪邪 蟹邪褖芯 胁褋褗褖薪芯褋褌 屑懈褋谢懈 胁褗褉褏褍 胁褋懈褔泻芯 褌芯胁邪.
袟邪褖芯褌芯 屑褍 褋械 懈褋泻邪褕械 蟹邪写 褑褟谢邪褌邪 褉邪斜芯褌邪 写邪 懈屑邪 薪褟泻邪泻胁邪 泻芯薪褋锌懈褉邪褑懈褟. 袦薪芯谐芯 锌芯-谢械褋薪芯 斜械褕械 褔芯胁械泻 写邪 褋懈 锌褉械写褋褌邪胁懈 谐褉褍锌邪 屑褗卸械, 褋褗斜褉邪谢懈 褋械 胁 薪褟泻邪泻胁邪 蟹邪写懈屑械薪邪 褋褌邪褟, 锌芯斜褗褉泻邪薪懈 芯褌 胁谢邪褋褌褌邪 懈 锌褉懈胁懈谢械谐懈懈褌械, 褋 泻芯懈褌芯 褉邪蟹锌芯谢邪谐邪褌, 写邪 锌褉邪胁褟褌 褑懈薪懈褔薪懈 蟹邪谐芯胁芯褉懈, 写芯泻邪褌芯 褋懈 锌懈褟褌 斜褉械薪写懈褌芯. 效芯胁械泻 斜懈 褌褉褟斜胁邪谢芯 写邪 褋械 锌褉懈写褗褉卸邪 泻褗屑 锌芯写芯斜薪懈 芯斜褉邪蟹懈, 蟹邪褖芯褌芯 邪泻芯 薪械 谐芯 锌褉邪胁懈, 斜懈 褋械 薪邪谢芯卸懈谢芯 写邪 褋械 懈蟹锌褉邪胁懈 芯褔懈 胁 芯褔懈 褋 褎邪泻褌邪, 褔械 谢芯褕懈褌械 薪械褖邪 褋械 褋谢褍褔胁邪褌, 蟹邪褖芯褌芯 芯斜懈泻薪芯胁械薪懈 褏芯褉邪, 泻芯懈褌芯 懈薪邪褔械 褉械褕邪褌 泻褍褔械褌芯 懈 褔械褌邪褌 薪邪 写械褑邪褌邪 褋懈 锌褉懈泻邪蟹泻懈 蟹邪 谢械泻邪 薪芯褖, 褋邪 褋锌芯褋芯斜薪懈 写邪 懈蟹谢褟蟹邪褌 褋谢械写 褌芯胁邪 懈 写邪 锌褉懈褔懈薪褟胁邪褌 褍卸邪褋薪懈 薪械褖邪 薪邪 写褉褍谐懈 芯斜懈泻薪芯胁械薪懈 褏芯褉邪. 孝芯谢泻芯胁邪 锌芯-谢械褋薪芯 斜械褕械 写邪 褏胁褗褉谢懈褕 胁懈薪邪褌邪 胁褗褉褏褍 孝褟褏. 袧芯 薪褟泻邪泻 褉邪蟹褋褌褉芯泄胁邪褖邪 斜械褕械 屑懈褋褗谢褌邪, 褔械 孝械 鈥� 褌芯胁邪 褋屑械 袧懈械.鈥�


鈥炐⑿� 懈褋泻邪褕械 写邪 褋械 胁褋谢褍褕邪屑 胁 谐谢邪褋邪 薪邪 薪邪褉芯写邪. 小褌褉邪薪薪芯 薪械褖芯, 薪械 屑懈褋谢懈褕 谢懈鈥� 褋褉械褖邪褕 褏芯褉邪 锌芯 锌褗褌褟 褋懈, 褌械 褌懈 懈蟹谐谢械卸写邪褌 褋械褉懈芯蟹薪懈 懈 锌芯褔褌械薪懈, 懈屑邪褌 邪泻褗谢 胁 谐谢邪胁懈褌械鈥� 写芯泻邪褌芯 薪械 褋械 褋褗斜械褉邪褌 蟹邪械写薪芯 胁 褌褗谢锌邪 懈 褌芯谐邪胁邪 褔褍胁邪褕 薪邪褉芯写薪懈褟 谐谢邪褋. 袛邪 褌懈 褉褗屑卸懈 薪邪褋褉械褖邪.
鈥� 孝芯胁邪 械 蟹邪泻芯薪褗褌 薪邪 褌褗谢锌邪褌邪!
鈥� 袨, 薪械, 褋褗褋 褋懈谐褍褉薪芯褋褌 薪械 械. 袗蟹 斜懈褏 谐芯 薪邪褉械泻褗谢 写械屑芯泻褉邪褌懈褔薪芯 锌褉邪胁芯褉邪蟹写邪胁邪薪械.鈥�


鈥� 鈥� 袩邪泻 小泻邪谢芯谢懈泻懈褟 谢懈? 袠 褌芯胁邪 械 褔邪褋褌 芯褌 胁褋懈褔泻芯, 褌邪泻邪 谢懈? 小褌邪褌褍褟 薪邪 小泻邪谢芯谢懈泻懈褟?
鈥� 袛芯褋械褌谢懈胁 褋懈 鈥� 芯写芯斜褉懈 谢芯褉写 袙械褌懈薪邪褉懈. 鈥� 袧械 褌胁芯褟 褋褌邪褌褍褟, 芯褔械胁懈写薪芯. 袠蟹胁邪泄胁邪薪械褌芯 薪邪 褋褌邪褌褍褟 薪邪 薪褟泻芯泄, 泻芯泄褌芯 褋械 械 芯锌懈褌邪谢 写邪 褋锌褉械 胁芯泄薪邪, 薪械 懈蟹谐谢械卸写邪 写芯褋褌邪褌褗褔薪芯, 褏屑, 胁械谢懈褔械褋褌胁械薪芯. 袪邪蟹斜懈褉邪 褋械, 邪泻芯 斜械褕械 懈蟹斜懈谢 锌械褌褋褌芯褌懈薪 芯褌 褋芯斜褋褌胁械薪懈褌械 褋懈 胁芯泄薪懈褑懈 锌芯褉邪写懈 薪械斜褉械卸薪芯褋褌, 胁械褉芯褟褌薪芯 胁械褔械 褖褟褏屑械 写邪 谢械械屑 斜褉芯薪蟹邪. 袧械. 袗蟹 谐芯胁芯褉械褏 蟹邪 锌褗褉胁懈褟 袙邪泄屑褋, 泻芯泄褌芯 褋械 械 芯锌懈褌邪谢 写邪 褋褗蟹写邪写械 斜褗写械褖械, 邪 胁屑械褋褌芯 褌芯胁邪 锌褉芯褋褌芯 褋褗蟹写邪谢 懈褋褌芯褉懈褟.鈥�
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226 reviews55 followers
November 8, 2024
小邪屑芯 袩褉邪褌褔械褌 屑芯卸械 写邪 褋写褗胁褔械 械写薪懈 芯褌 薪邪泄-褋械褉懈芯蟹薪懈褌械 懈 薪邪斜芯谢械谢懈 褌械屑懈 薪邪 薪邪褕械褌芯 胁褉械屑械 懈 写邪 懈蟹锌谢褞械 邪斜褋芯谢褞褌械薪 褕械写褜芯胁褗褉.

袧邪 谐褗褉斜邪 薪邪 泻邪屑懈谢邪, 锌芯写 胁芯写邪 懈谢懈 胁 锌褍褋褌懈薪褟褌邪, 薪懈褖芯 薪械 屑芯卸械 写邪 褋锌褉械 谐褉邪写褋泻邪褌邪 褋褌褉邪卸邪 薪邪 袗薪泻褏 - 袦芯褉锌芯褉泻 写邪 褋械 褋锌褉邪胁懈 褋 薪邪写懈谐邪褖邪褌邪 褋械 胁芯泄薪邪. 鈥溞捬佇秆囆盒� 械 锌芯谢懈褌懈泻邪鈥�, 薪芯 薪械 懈 蟹邪 袙邪泄屑褋. 孝芯泄 锌褉芯褋褌芯 褋懈 胁褗褉褕懈 褉邪斜芯褌邪褌邪, 邪 褌褟 械 写邪 蟹邪褌胁邪褉褟 锌褉械褋褌褗锌薪懈褑懈 懈 写邪 锌邪蟹懈 屑懈褉邪.

袙械谢懈泻! 袧褟屑邪 写邪 褋锌褉邪 写邪 谐芯 锌芯胁褌邪褉褟屑, 写芯褉懈 写邪 蟹胁褍褔邪 泻邪褌芯 褉邪蟹胁邪谢械薪邪 锌谢芯褔邪.
124 reviews
April 14, 2025
Dieses Mal verhandelt Pratchett Themen wie Diplomatie, Krieg und Rassismus in einem Milit盲rkonflikt zwischen der Stadt Ankh-Morpork und dem Gro脽reich Klatsch. Es gibt durchaus viele Ankn眉pfungspunkte an aktuelle Ereignisse, allerdings ohne imperialistische Einfl眉sse allzusehr in den Fokus zu nehmen. Man kann leider nicht alles haben.
In seiner goldenen 脛ra kann Pratchett nichts Falsches machen, wie es scheint.
Den Vorg盲nger 'Hohle K枚pfe' zu kennen, ist bei diesem Buch allerdings sehr ratsam, besonders weil auf Samuel Mumms Vorfahren Altes-Steingesicht-Mumm Bezug genommen wird. Man muss sie nicht direkt nacheinander lesen, aber ohne den vorigen Band der Stadtwachen-Serie fehlt etwas.
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1,072 reviews468 followers
October 14, 2022
鈿擆煇�
鈥淚t was much better to imagine men in some smokey room somewhere, made mad and cynical by privilege and power, plotting over brandy. You had to cling to this sort of image, because if you didn't then you might have to face the fact that bad things happened because ordinary people, the kind who brushed the dog and told the children bed time stories, were capable of then going out and doing horrible things to other ordinary people. It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, then what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.鈥�

I took a short break from my Discworld reading journey, after wrapping up the end of 2021 having read little else. I enjoyed taking the time to get to some other books that I have been looking forward to reading, but I was excited to return to the series. With the Terry Pratchett biography coming out later this year, I'm aiming to finish the core Discworld books and then read that as a kind of conclusion.

This really applies to all the Discworld books so far, but Jingo is an immediate favourite. I've come to love Commander Vimes and the rest of The Watch. As ever Terry Pratchett eloquently weaves a dizzying number of brilliant ideas, perfect observations, fascinating characters and humour and it works beautifully.

鈥淥h, my dear Vimes, history changes all the time. It is constantly being re-examined and re-evaluated, otherwise how would we be able to keep historians occupied? We can't possibly allow people with their sort of minds to walk around with time on their hands.鈥�

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鈥淗istory was full of the bones of good men who'd followed bad orders in the hope that they could soften the blow. Oh, yes, there were worse things they could do, but most of them began right where they started following bad orders.鈥�
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November 11, 2024
i had a whole detailed review planned out but then i got to "Veni vici.... Vetinari" and was left speechless. the rizz the sass the CUNT!!! and don't even get me started on "Vetinari's terrier"!!! there is VetVimes everywhere for those with the eyes to see.*

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and i'm BACK for more Discworld-posting! the "detailed review" thing is obviously not in the cards for me, but!! i have compiled a numbered list of thoughts and impressions! let us commence:

1) i was talking to a friend about how Jingo, just like any other Watch book, is basically "Racism Bad: The Police Procedural". but what's interesting here is that unlike most Discworld books, where the races in questions are humans, trolls, dwarves, etc., here we have... hwhite people being racist against people from the Middle East?! mind you, this book came out in the 90s, so before the huge rise of anti-Arab/Muslim racism in the wake of 9/11 (not that i'm implying there wasn't anti-Arab sentiment before that). honestly idk why pratchett decided to do a human racism book in the fantasy racism subseries, but it was good so i'm not complaining.

2) Vetinari's terrier. it does bear repeating. Vimes is all like "welp, i guess we're all someone's dog" BUT ARE WE, SAMUEL. ARE WE.

3) bit of a continuity error - it's established pretty early on (and definitely matches with the impression i got from all the other discworld books i've read) that Anhk-Morpork hasn't been in a war in ages. when we are first introduced to Colon and Nobby back in Guards! Guards! we find out that they used to be soldiers (well, that Colon used to be a soldier and that Nobby used to scavange battlefields for boots to nick), but it's sort of a throway introduction that a lot of characters got and that was liable to being retconned. certainly nothing about the way Ankh-Morpork functions seems to indicate that it is at all militaristic. but THEN mid-way through the book we have Colon reminiscing about his terrible time in the war (which we have to assume took place some 20-25 years ago). and THEN some 100 pages later we have Vimes thinking about how nobody has been to war in so long that the only combatants he can remember were very old men he knew when he was very young??? i legit think this is something that wasn't caught in the edit?? anyway it was weird.

4) i will never get angua and carrot. i still think sir terry just wrote two hot young people and smashed them together like barbie dolls. don't get me wrong, both of them are interesting in their own right, and it's even cool reading about one through the eyes of the other, but you cannot convince me these people are in love or that they have ever had sex. iirc in one of the later books angua legit has better banter/chemistry with gaspode, and he's A TALKING DOG.

5) that being said, carrot's superpower (other than, you know, the charisma of being a mythical king figure) is the fact that he takes an interest in people, and that is so wasteland baby coded, you have no idea. i know i'll never be as Good(TM) of a person as carrot is, but i read "he makes space in his head for people" and i was like YESSSSSS THAT'S ME BABY!! finally i can relate to someone cooler than magrat garlick!!!

6) other than the inconsistency i mentioned before, my major problem with Jingo is the slight whiff of casual queerphobia. which is not to say that i think *sir terry* was homophobic or transphobic - i think anyone who had the good fortune to grow up reading his work has a very keen sense of his deep humanism. rather, i think that there is an element of "teeeheee let's imply something might be queer but then we learn it's not and everyone is relieved" that is probably a sign of the times, but i found it really offputting. the most obvious example being Nobby's Beti arc (she/her Nobby Nobbs you will always be famous!!!) - because i can so easily imagine a version of this book where literally everything about that subplot is the same, but a few jokes are omitted or subtly changed, and all of a sudden it doesn't bother me at all. it's weird, coming across jokes that one feels cross the line or don't land quite right (i remember feeling a similar way about a lot of Maskerade). sigh.

7) 71-hour ahmed was a really fun counterpoint to vimes! "all i know, there must be a policeman, even for kings" and here's vimes - "all it really meant was that he was allowed to chase the little criminals, who did the little crimes. there was nothing he could do about the crimes that were so big you couldn't even see them. you lived in them" UGH EXCELLENT. and of course we mustn't forget one of the best passages of the whole book:
"it was much better to imagine men in some smoky room somehere, made mad and cynical by privilege and power, plotting over the brandy. you had to cling to this sort of image, because if you didn't then you might have to face the fact that bad things happened because ordinary people, the kind who brushed the dog and told their children bedtime stories, were capable of then going out and doing horrible things to other ordinary people. it was so much easier to blame it on Them. it was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. if it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. if it was Us, what did that make Me? after all, i'm one of Us. i must be. i've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. no-one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. we're always one of Us. it's Them that do the bad things."

8) that climactic scene where vimes is kinda going loco bcs of his dis-organizer reporting everyone's deaths in the other timeline and he is THIS CLOSE to shooting the ruling price of klatch and you're like ??? sammy my boy??? but then all of a sudden you read "Ah....Commander Vimes...." <3333

9) vimes trying to arrest both of the armies for disruption of peace and carrot restoring peace by having them play football... find me a better dynamic duo

10) "'i feel certain i ought to be wearing more chains,' said lord vetinari, as they paused in the doorway and looked at the assembled crowd.
'are you taking this seriously, sir?' said vimes.
'incredibly seriously, commander, i assure you. but if by some chance i survive, i authorize you to buy some shackles. we must learn to do this sort of thing properly.'
'i shall keep them handy, i assure you.'
'good.'

this is a romcom. to me.

11) veni vici VETINARI, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!

*just googled this to double-check the article usage and apparently my beloved tumblr meme "there are cathedrals everywhere for those with the eyes to see" (most commonly seen crossing my dash when concerning matters of unhinged rpf) is a jordan peterson original. something this ridiculous somehow seems right, for a terry pratchett review.
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156 reviews226 followers
November 3, 2016
Con: largely disposable within the context of Discworld and feels a little like an afterthought. Highly patronising, with vague suggestions of some somewhat iffy political assumptions. Inadequate plot (partly I think on purpose).


Pro: very funny. Surprisingly enjoyable. A chance to see the Watch characters in a slightly more normal situation and at a relaxed pace, at least in the first half of the book.


Summary: I always remembered the downsides and thought this was one of the worst Discworld novels; it's definitely in the bottom half or bottom third, but it's actually much more enjoyable that I thought it was. Shouldn't be on many favourites lists, but you needn't actively avoid it when reading the Watch books.


My review is

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6,533 reviews520 followers
February 5, 2018
June 20, 2013

An ancient island appears halfway between Klatch and Anhk-Porpork and a war is brewing. Vimes and the Watch; the Patrician, Leonardo, Nobbs and Colon; and various other characters are all trying to avert or encourage the war for their various purposes. I just love how Pratchett gets sharper in his satire, more pointed, while retaining the slapstick. In this case, it's an anti-war book that manages to acknowledge why people want to have wars, even while coming up with a clever solution. And I really just enjoyed the hell out of the character development of Nobbs. Picking a favorite Pratchett character would be like picking a favorite child, that is, inadvisable for any reason. But I appreciate that even characters who've been present for quite a while can still be developed.


I bought it.
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Author听84 books848 followers
August 20, 2021
Re-read 6/22/21: I'm not sure why this is my least favorite of the Guards novels. It's not that it's less impactful--it's about war and mankind's obsession with conflict--and it's not that it lacks the elements that make a great Discworld novel (see below about "Beti"). I've just never warmed to it as a whole despite its having some of my favorite scenes from the series. Which is why I have nothing new to say that I didn't say in the earlier review, except that this volume is clearly, in hindsight, an important stepping stone to the book I consider a major turning point in the Discworld series as a whole, .

Read 1/10/16: When I need something comfortable on a Sunday afternoon, I generally pick up a Terry Pratchett novel. I'm not sure why I opted for this one over all the others, since it's not one of my favorites--or maybe that's why; it came across as fresher than one I might have read more recently. In this novel, Pratchett skewers the idea of the noble war and the instinct of mankind to distrust and hate the Other. The appearance of a mysterious island sets Morporkians against Klatchians, despite the fact that most Klatchians living in Ankh-Morpork are second- or third-generation residents, and Sam Vimes and the City Watch end up at the center of the conflict. Vimes' insistence that he is not a military man sets up the premise that there is a difference between being a policeman and being a soldier, which plays out throughout the main plot. A secondary plot featuring Fred Colon and Nobby Nobbs being shanghaied by the Patrician and Leonard of Quirm at first looks like mere comedy (Nobby as the dancing girl Beti makes me laugh every time) but turns out to be key to the solution of keeping both countries from destruction.

This book mostly hits all the notes you expect from a City Watch novel (for example, the inevitable kidnapping and hostage-holding of Angua) but I'm struck by how powerful one aspect of the ending is.

Fun, funny, and a great way to spend an afternoon.
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453 reviews124 followers
June 17, 2015
6/10

This is the weakest Watch novel I鈥檝e read to date, quite simply the bar has been set too high in the previous novels meaning that a small blip is quite a noticeable drop in quality. Whilst entertaining in parts it became a bit of a chore to finish this one with a very convoluted plot which started tangling itself up the further things progressed and I was losing the threads the longer I read.

The first 1/3 of the novel is the usual top notch quality writing with a mystery being looked into by the Watch, witty back and forths between Vimes and Vetinari and the usual capers that happen throughout a normal Watch novel set in Ankh-Morpork with all the side characters. Then things take a sharp turn and go way off left-field and the Watch go invading like an army in a foreign country, Vetinari enlists Nobbs and Colon to do some spying whilst travelling in a submarine and the humour and high standards that are normally expected take a sharp drop.

I鈥檝e said it previously about the Watch novels, the best parts are the interactions between Vimes and Vetinari. These are few and far between in this novel and swapping Vimes for Nobbs on Colon definitely didn鈥檛 have the same impact for me. Other enjoyable parts are Vimes struggling to work out how a certain murder has happened whereas this took a back seat in this story and at times I鈥檇 forgot that a murder had taken place.

I鈥檇 been warned that this one wasn鈥檛 viewed as highly as the others before reading it so that might have had an impact on me when things went a little boring but fingers crossed for a return to form in the next novel and back to the usual hijinks of the previous books.

If you like this try: 鈥淭he Island of the Sequined Love Nun鈥� by Christopher Moore
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1,331 reviews256 followers
March 11, 2019
Part of the Pratchett reread with the SpecFic Buddy Reads group in 2019.

This entry in the Watch series sees Vimes and Vetinari dealing with the sudden reappearance of the of the lost island of Leshp and the political consequences. In particular, a brewing war with neighboring Klatch. Vimes, as ever, is struggling with the fast-growing Watch and the responsibilities that creates for a very hands-on Watch Commander with everything suffering, including sleep and his relationship with Sybil.

While the Watch and Vimes are front and center here, this book is unusual in that it shows Lord Vetinari taking a direct hand in events and he makes an excellent major character for a change. This is also Pratchett's platform for having a conversation about racism and nationalism, particularly from his supremely humanist mindset. It's wryly funny at most points, only occasionally venturing into hilarity and tragedy as needed with Pratchett's deft touch for both. It's not the best Watch book, but it continues the trajectory of the Watch series in getting better as they go. Highly recommended (as most of the Discworld books are).
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294 reviews129 followers
February 19, 2020
Terry Pratchett鈥檚 take on War. Funny and absurd, with a satyrical view on why people start a war: greed, racism, prejudice, religion, sheer stupidity.

鈥淲hy are our people going out there,鈥� said Mr. Boggis of the Thieves鈥� Guild.
"Because they are showing a brisk pioneering spirit and seeking wealth and 鈥� additional wealth in a new land,鈥� said Lord Vetinari.
鈥淲hat鈥檚 in it for the Klatchians?鈥� said Lord Downey.
鈥淥h, they鈥檝e gone out there because they are a bunch of unprincipled opportunists always ready to grab something for nothing,鈥� said Lord Vetinari.
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February 22, 2025
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