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1984 by George Orwell
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it was amazing


This book is far from perfect. Its characters lack depth, its rhetoric is sometimes didactic, its plot (well, half of it anyway) was lifted from Zumyatin’s We, and the lengthy Goldstein treatise shoved into the middle is a flaw which alters the structure of the novel like a scar disfigures a face.

But in the long run, all that does not matter, because George Orwell got it right.

Orwell, a socialist who fought against Franco, watched appalled as the great Soviet experiment was reduced to a totalitarian state, a repressive force equal in evil to Fascist Italy or Nazi Germany. He came to realize that ideology in an authoritarian state is nothing but a distraction, a shiny thing made for the public to stare at. He came to realize that the point of control was more control, the point of torture was more torture, that the point of all their "alternative facts" was to fashion a world where people would no longer possess even a word for truth.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face � forever.

Orwell’s vision of the world is grim; too grim, some would argue, for it may deprive the faint-hearted among us of hope. But Orwell never wanted to take away hope. No, he wished to shock our hearts into resistance by showing us the authoritarian nightmare achieved: a monument of stasis, a tribute to surveillance and control.

Here, in the USA, in 2017, our would-be totalitarians are a long way from stasis. Right now they’re stirring up chaos and confusion, spreading lies and then denying they spread them, hoping to gaslight us into a muddle of helplessness and inactivity. They are trying to destroy a vigorous democracy, and they know it will take much chaos and confusion to bring that democracy down. They hate us most when we march together, when we occupy senate offices and jam the congressional switchboard, when we congregate in pubs and coffee houses and share our outrage and fear, for they know that freedom thrives on solidarity and resistance, and that solidarity and resistance engender love and hope. They much prefer it when we brood in solitude, despairing and alone.

Which reminds me...one of the things we should never do is brood about the enemy’s ideology (Is Steve Bannon a Fascist? A Nazi? A Stalinist?), for while we try to discern his “ideological goals,� the enemy is busy pulling on his boots, and his boots are made with hobnails, with heel irons, and equipped with toecaps of steel.

Finally, it does not matter who heads up the authoritarian state: a bully boy like Mussolini, a strutting coprophiliac like Hitler, a Napoleonic pig like Stalin, or a brainless dancing bear like Trump. Whatever the current incarnation of “Big Brother� may be, the goal is always the same:
A nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting - three hundred million people all with the same face.
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“The object of terrorism is terrorism. The object of oppression is oppression. The object of torture is torture. The object of murder is murder. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?”
George Orwell, 1984


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message 151: by Julie (new) - rated it 5 stars

Julie Reading these comments, I now realize why ŷ allows a reviewer to limit commenting to one’s followers only. Partisan sniping should stay where it belongs—on Twitter. Nice review by the way!


message 152: by frank (new) - rated it 4 stars

frank wills William wrote: "“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.�
- John Kenneth Galbraith"

that sounds like the 'progessive ' left. every argument comes from some moral high ground . just my observations


message 153: by William (last edited Sep 17, 2019 08:30AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

William Except that progressives have the opposite of immoral, conservative-selfishness at heart.

Evolution Cannot See the Future

so it produces a wide range of behaviours and skills for the best chance at some of the parents begetting successful offspring. It is a genetic gamble against good or bad times coming.

A billion years of evolution has created a spectrum of human, from insanely greedy through to hopelessly charitable.

During famine and bad times, the selfish and greedy are more likely to survive and pass on their (selfish) genes to the future.

During good times and plenty, the charitable build societies and civilisations freely and openly for the good of all, and in such a society most human's genes (including the selfish) are likely to be passed on to the future.

We might not imagine having children with greedy personna, but if we were starving, we might have no choice.


Perhaps this is all due to your only having read 6 books since you joined in 2013? Or are you just a 1984 troll?


message 154: by frank (new) - rated it 4 stars

frank wills William wrote: "Except that progressives have the opposite of immoral, conservative-selfishness at heart.

Evolution Cannot See the Future

so it produces a wide range of behaviours and skills for the best chance ..."


i read a ton but use this site rarely . i also read 10+ hours a day on different perspectives in politics and social behaviors. maybe you are biased and can't see out your world view , maybe an old worldview , but every argument from any so called 'progressive' comes from a 'morally superior ' position. anyway these are just easily recognizable observations i noticed after reading 1984.


message 155: by Mariana (new) - added it

Mariana Excellent review!


message 156: by Adrian (new) - rated it 5 stars

Adrian "It's characters lack depth..."

Can you please elaborate on why this matters in THIS book?


message 157: by Helena (new) - rated it 3 stars

Helena K Don Incognito wrote: "I think I just accept that the characters don't have depth because, as people, they aren't deep. Winston Smith is shown to have no admirable qualities, between O'Brien's exposure of his character a..."

As to me, it was not about betraying or not betraying someone - it was all about the life people had to live in such conditions. The End cames to Winston in the very beginning, and he knows it. He knows that he will never win, but the question was - to start living or to spend the whole life as a silent shadow of a man.

That is why I am sure that Winston is on the opposite - a really strong character. It is a real character.
As to Julia - I am sure, she loves Winston, and she is just a human being. She doesn't see any use of fighting with the party, that is why she may seem annoying.

That was nice of You to point out that that must be not O'Brien, who wrote The Book. Me, I was just too frightened in the end while following the fates of characters to notice it. :-)


message 158: by Diep Tu Du (new) - added it

Diep Tu Du so excitingggg


message 159: by Mcrudo (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mcrudo So weird that you think it’s Trump and those that voted for him causing the chaos. He’s the one giving people a voice again instead of allowing government (the Party) to control us...Obamacare for one! Also, the Hate?! Antifa ring a bell? Mr Parson’s children remind me of the little girls wearing pu**y hats & kids holding signs saying “F*** Trump.� Talk about a brainwash of a generation! Socialism is an idea that must be taught in the heart, but never forced by government because then it becomes a tool of control.


message 160: by Mcrudo (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mcrudo Also, the use of the name comrade implies the communist Soviet Union. You lead cattle from a fenced pasture (socialism) into the slaughterhouse (communism).


message 161: by Mcrudo (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mcrudo Also, the “Revolution� & the “Party� brought down capitalism. Why anyone wouldn’t understand that this book is a commentary on the inadequacies & control of socialism is beyond me.


message 162: by William (last edited Dec 18, 2019 02:47AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

William The definition of the words communism and socialism have little to do with the governmental system of the Soviet empire.

Democratic Socialism has been extraordinarily successful in Europe.

Have a look at these charts "Share of National Income"



"Policy, it turns out, matters. More aggressive redistribution through taxes and transfers has spared Europe from the acute disparities that Americans have grown used to. Unequal access to education is helping reproduce inequality in the United States down the generations. "

Full article here:



message 163: by William (last edited Dec 18, 2019 07:15AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

William I also note that the Mcrudo has rated only 66 books and provided 0 reviews since joining in 2016.

Troll?


message 164: by Mcrudo (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mcrudo No troll here William. I have a voice too. Just because I don’t believe your NY Times article (could be lies...like in the book) doesn’t make me a troll. I’m not much on reading reviews because I like to form my own opinions, but I was curious. I love how people like to put spins on socialism like calling it democratic makes it sound better. Coffee is coffee no matter how much cream & sugar you add to it to make it go down easier. Like I said, socialism is like a green pasture. You think you’re getting fed & taken care of, but the reality is the farmer (government) has to eat too. So...off to the slaughterhouse (communism) you go. Btw, you do know that the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is Boris Johnson right? He beat out socialist, Jeremy Corbin. Even the Brits are tired of the lies...


William Pure sophistry. Troll. Blocks you.


message 166: by Mcrudo (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mcrudo Oh, my. No intellect...figures.


message 167: by Deborah (new) - added it

Deborah Name such as McRudo speaks troll


message 168: by Sakar (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sakar Winston wanted love above all
He somehow thought he found love
When he was put in a life and death situation
He betrayed that love
There is where big brother has won and winston lost.


message 169: by Hasnain (new) - added it

Hasnain Hsni You, yourself should try to write something, my God you're eloquent!


Kate Geesaman i liked your comment and agreed but i don't appreciate the swipe at trump.


BluiMafia William, you proved the guys point about moral superiority being a pretense you hold with your ironic- unintentionally I’m sure- retort.


message 172: by Cookie (new) - rated it 5 stars

Cookie Do any of the people talking about how this book is anti-antifa (fa?) or anti-socialist have a functioning brain? Mcrudo seems especially low-IQ. Orwell was a literal socialist himself. He fought with the Trots and the anarchists against the fascists in Spain. Please don't act like idiots. If you want to argue against socialism, sure, go ahead. Most of the people here have unfortunately come up with a strawman against socialism and fail to even make a compelling argument against that strawman. To get your brain juices flowing for what appears to be the first time in your lives, I simply have one question to ask you.

What is socialism? Think about it, google it, I don't care. Just please don't come back with something like "socialism is big government, and the more big government it is, the more socialister it is," because that is not what socialism is. Good luck.


Fergus, Weaver of Autistic Webs Kudos for your courage, William! My hat’s off to you.


message 175: by Joseph (new) - added it

Joseph Harry Truman, one of the most underrated modern presidents.


message 176: by Mcrudo (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mcrudo Robert, please tell me what socialism is...proponents always argue what it isn’t, but never can say what it is...I noticed you want to read Karl Marx’s The Communist Manifesto...hmmm...

On Truman’s quote. Social security is a failed program as the funds are drying up. Labor unions once started out to benefit the worker, but have now become corrupt, money machines serving only their political views (fascists) Also, I work for a bank. Your money is insured, but on a crumbling, fragile system of bank notes that are just promises of no real value. The whole system of “insured� bank deposits is a house of cards. 1984 is a precautionary to government control. Left wing, right wing...it’s all a great circle. The more left you go, the more fascist you become. Too far right and you become communist. You end up exactly where you were trying to avoid. 1984 cautions us against more government. Those who sit back and get drunk on the lies & pleasures of more government are proles.


message 177: by Mcrudo (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mcrudo Also William, I apologize for saying you have no intellect. That was just a quick rebuttal because I was/am confused why I was called a troll & blocked for having an opinion. I didn’t think I did anything wrong but try to have a healthy debate. I’m sure you have plenty of intellect.


ericlindgr 1984 has come and gone: society is well on the way, the way it's going.
Science fiction has predicted many of today's amazing occurences .
How good is George Orwell's story in your mind?
EL.


message 179: by Barry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Barry 1984 is now. Try disagreeing with the far left right now. You may very well get fired from your job. Wear a MAGA hat at your own risk. Say something really controversial like “All lives matter� and you’ll be lucky if all that happens is that your called a racist. Big Brother is alive and well. If I wasn’t retired I wouldn’t be saying this.


Sabrina Martin “They much prefer it when we brood in solitude, despairing and alone”…sounds familiar in spring 2020. A well timed read.


message 181: by Cookie (new) - rated it 5 stars

Cookie > The more left you go, the more fascist you become. Too far right and you become communist
Mcrudo, you're an excellent troll. I salute you.
> I noticed you want to read Karl Marx’s The Communist Manifesto...hmmm...
I've read it a while ago. I already read it when I last commented.
> 1984 is a precautionary to government control
I agree

> Try disagreeing with the far left right now. You may very well get fired from your job
Barry, you goddamn snowflake. People who get fired from their jobs for being actual fascists are fully deserving of it. If people are being fired for being conservative while not being racist or anything, or if they're being fired because they said something years ago and no longer hold to those positions, then I agree, that is bad.
> Big Brother is alive and well
It sure is. The government, of which your dear leader is in control of, has the most insane surveillance system. Trump seems to approve of this, considering he reauthorized the Patriot Act, which gives the government spying powers. If anyone is Big Brother, it is Trump and the corporations that control him and the rest of the politicians.


William Cookie, ditto.

And... breaking news today....

At least 25 of the largest corporations donate secretly to police brotherhoods, benevolent societies, charities, etc.

Why do you think they would do that?


message 183: by Charlie Gorman (new)

Charlie Gorman Great review Bill, excellent take.


message 184: by Curtis (new) - rated it 5 stars

Curtis R Absolutely on point, and pertinent to the times.


message 185: by Judy (new) - rated it 3 stars

Judy Marshall Your review has helped me understand 1984 in the context of Trumpian politics in 2020. Thank you!


message 186: by Mcrudo (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mcrudo Oh Cookie, why do you keep changing your name? What are you so scared of?

The Patriot Act is for known terrorists, not for law abiding citizens.

As Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) said about the Patriot Act, "we simply cannot prevail in the battle against terrorism if the right hand of our government has no idea what the left hand is doing" (Press release, 10/26/01)

As Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) explained during the floor debate about the Act, "the FBI could get a wiretap to investigate the mafia, but they could not get one to investigate terrorists. To put it bluntly, that was crazy! What's good for the mob should be good for terrorists." (Cong. Rec., 10/25/01)

I don’t have to worry about that because I follow the law. And it seems the Democrats supported it as well...

China is a GREAT example of the community that Winston belonged to in 1984.

You know like Li-Meng Yan who had to secretly flee China to tell the truth about China’s COVID-19 cover-up? What’s weird is if you google her name, India Times comes up, the Australian comes up, Fox News comes up, but where are CNN, MSNBC, the rest of the msm? In China’s pocket?

Seems like a pretty big deal to me!


Kristina Catherine Wait, what? You think that Trump is the totalitarian threat after reading this book? Which side controls the media, which side is literally changing history and controls the schools, which side is tearing down statues?!?


Kristina Catherine . .also it's funny looking back now that you called Trump of all people a "brainless dancing bear" when in 2020 that is an almost perfect description of his current opponent.
I actually feel bad for Biden going through an electoral race (even if only technically at this point) in his declining state...though that pity has subsided significantly since his campaign has found an excuse to mostly just keep him home and only release edited video statements.


message 189: by Tom (new) - added it

Tom Mathews Kristina wrote: "Wait, what? You think that Trump is the totalitarian threat after reading this book? Which side controls the media, which side is literally changing history and controls the schools, which side is ..."

God, give me strength.


William Kristina wrote: "Wait, what? You think that Trump is the totalitarian threat after reading this book? Which side controls the media, which side is literally changing history and controls the schools, which side is ..."





message 191: by Tryn (new) - rated it 5 stars

Tryn This just might be the most amazing review I've ever read. Damn near better than the book itself 😏


message 192: by Emily (new) - rated it 5 stars

Emily I thought that this was a great review until I realized that you think that Trump is the problem with today’s world. You seem very intelligent. Perhaps you should remove the wool from your eyes and then re-read this book from the right perspective.


message 193: by Ambar (new)

Ambar I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on what’s happening today! You did very accurately explained and correlate the book and today’s events! Thank you.


message 194: by Ashley (new) - rated it 3 stars

Ashley Nicole Great review� though I personally couldn’t ignore the flaws and granted fewer stars.


Matthew The comments on this comment... yikes. Great review original reviewer, thank you for spending the time to write it.


message 196: by Heather Peets (new)

Heather Peets Trump is not a brainless dancing bear. Nor is he Big Brother. The fact that the media abhor him is enough to tell us that.


William The most dangerous thing?

That so many avaricious politicians see the success of Trump. We can already see reflections of him in Poland, Hungary, Brazil, The Philippines, etc


message 198: by Nisrine (new)

Nisrine Alghawi Amazing.


message 199: by Marcus (new) - added it

Marcus C the characters aren’t supposed to have much depth- did you not get that this is a society that has abolished individuality?


Viviane It was interesting to read some of the comments in response to a personal review of a book that talks about an oppressed society buried in a system where nobody is allowed, or even capable, to think different than what is fed to them through their mainstream (aka propaganda).
Don’t be an O’Brian.


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