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This book is far from perfect. Its characters lack depth, its rhetoric is sometimes didactic, its plot (well, half of it anyway) was lifted from Zumyatin’s We, and the lengthy Goldstein treatise shoved into the middle is a flaw which alters the structure of the novel like a scar disfigures a face.
But in the long run, all that does not matter, because George Orwell got it right.
Orwell, a socialist who fought against Franco, watched appalled as the great Soviet experiment was reduced to a totalitarian state, a repressive force equal in evil to Fascist Italy or Nazi Germany. He came to realize that ideology in an authoritarian state is nothing but a distraction, a shiny thing made for the public to stare at. He came to realize that the point of control was more control, the point of torture was more torture, that the point of all their "alternative facts" was to fashion a world where people would no longer possess even a word for truth.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face � forever.
Orwell’s vision of the world is grim; too grim, some would argue, for it may deprive the faint-hearted among us of hope. But Orwell never wanted to take away hope. No, he wished to shock our hearts into resistance by showing us the authoritarian nightmare achieved: a monument of stasis, a tribute to surveillance and control.
Here, in the USA, in 2017, our would-be totalitarians are a long way from stasis. Right now they’re stirring up chaos and confusion, spreading lies and then denying they spread them, hoping to gaslight us into a muddle of helplessness and inactivity. They are trying to destroy a vigorous democracy, and they know it will take much chaos and confusion to bring that democracy down. They hate us most when we march together, when we occupy senate offices and jam the congressional switchboard, when we congregate in pubs and coffee houses and share our outrage and fear, for they know that freedom thrives on solidarity and resistance, and that solidarity and resistance engender love and hope. They much prefer it when we brood in solitude, despairing and alone.
Which reminds me...one of the things we should never do is brood about the enemy’s ideology (Is Steve Bannon a Fascist? A Nazi? A Stalinist?), for while we try to discern his “ideological goals,� the enemy is busy pulling on his boots, and his boots are made with hobnails, with heel irons, and equipped with toecaps of steel.
Finally, it does not matter who heads up the authoritarian state: a bully boy like Mussolini, a strutting coprophiliac like Hitler, a Napoleonic pig like Stalin, or a brainless dancing bear like Trump. Whatever the current incarnation of “Big Brother� may be, the goal is always the same:
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This book is far from perfect. Its characters lack depth, its rhetoric is sometimes didactic, its plot (well, half of it anyway) was lifted from Zumyatin’s We, and the lengthy Goldstein treatise shoved into the middle is a flaw which alters the structure of the novel like a scar disfigures a face.
But in the long run, all that does not matter, because George Orwell got it right.
Orwell, a socialist who fought against Franco, watched appalled as the great Soviet experiment was reduced to a totalitarian state, a repressive force equal in evil to Fascist Italy or Nazi Germany. He came to realize that ideology in an authoritarian state is nothing but a distraction, a shiny thing made for the public to stare at. He came to realize that the point of control was more control, the point of torture was more torture, that the point of all their "alternative facts" was to fashion a world where people would no longer possess even a word for truth.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face � forever.
Orwell’s vision of the world is grim; too grim, some would argue, for it may deprive the faint-hearted among us of hope. But Orwell never wanted to take away hope. No, he wished to shock our hearts into resistance by showing us the authoritarian nightmare achieved: a monument of stasis, a tribute to surveillance and control.
Here, in the USA, in 2017, our would-be totalitarians are a long way from stasis. Right now they’re stirring up chaos and confusion, spreading lies and then denying they spread them, hoping to gaslight us into a muddle of helplessness and inactivity. They are trying to destroy a vigorous democracy, and they know it will take much chaos and confusion to bring that democracy down. They hate us most when we march together, when we occupy senate offices and jam the congressional switchboard, when we congregate in pubs and coffee houses and share our outrage and fear, for they know that freedom thrives on solidarity and resistance, and that solidarity and resistance engender love and hope. They much prefer it when we brood in solitude, despairing and alone.
Which reminds me...one of the things we should never do is brood about the enemy’s ideology (Is Steve Bannon a Fascist? A Nazi? A Stalinist?), for while we try to discern his “ideological goals,� the enemy is busy pulling on his boots, and his boots are made with hobnails, with heel irons, and equipped with toecaps of steel.
Finally, it does not matter who heads up the authoritarian state: a bully boy like Mussolini, a strutting coprophiliac like Hitler, a Napoleonic pig like Stalin, or a brainless dancing bear like Trump. Whatever the current incarnation of “Big Brother� may be, the goal is always the same:
A nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting - three hundred million people all with the same face.
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“The object of terrorism is terrorism. The object of oppression is oppression. The object of torture is torture. The object of murder is murder. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?”
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- John Kenneth Galbraith"
that sounds like the 'progessive ' left. every argument comes from some moral high ground . just my observations

Evolution Cannot See the Future
so it produces a wide range of behaviours and skills for the best chance at some of the parents begetting successful offspring. It is a genetic gamble against good or bad times coming.
A billion years of evolution has created a spectrum of human, from insanely greedy through to hopelessly charitable.
During famine and bad times, the selfish and greedy are more likely to survive and pass on their (selfish) genes to the future.
During good times and plenty, the charitable build societies and civilisations freely and openly for the good of all, and in such a society most human's genes (including the selfish) are likely to be passed on to the future.
We might not imagine having children with greedy personna, but if we were starving, we might have no choice.
Perhaps this is all due to your only having read 6 books since you joined in 2013? Or are you just a 1984 troll?

Evolution Cannot See the Future
so it produces a wide range of behaviours and skills for the best chance ..."
i read a ton but use this site rarely . i also read 10+ hours a day on different perspectives in politics and social behaviors. maybe you are biased and can't see out your world view , maybe an old worldview , but every argument from any so called 'progressive' comes from a 'morally superior ' position. anyway these are just easily recognizable observations i noticed after reading 1984.

As to me, it was not about betraying or not betraying someone - it was all about the life people had to live in such conditions. The End cames to Winston in the very beginning, and he knows it. He knows that he will never win, but the question was - to start living or to spend the whole life as a silent shadow of a man.
That is why I am sure that Winston is on the opposite - a really strong character. It is a real character.
As to Julia - I am sure, she loves Winston, and she is just a human being. She doesn't see any use of fighting with the party, that is why she may seem annoying.
That was nice of You to point out that that must be not O'Brien, who wrote The Book. Me, I was just too frightened in the end while following the fates of characters to notice it. :-)




Democratic Socialism has been extraordinarily successful in Europe.
Have a look at these charts "Share of National Income"

"Policy, it turns out, matters. More aggressive redistribution through taxes and transfers has spared Europe from the acute disparities that Americans have grown used to. Unequal access to education is helping reproduce inequality in the United States down the generations. "
Full article here:

Troll?


He somehow thought he found love
When he was put in a life and death situation
He betrayed that love
There is where big brother has won and winston lost.


What is socialism? Think about it, google it, I don't care. Just please don't come back with something like "socialism is big government, and the more big government it is, the more socialister it is," because that is not what socialism is. Good luck.

On Truman’s quote. Social security is a failed program as the funds are drying up. Labor unions once started out to benefit the worker, but have now become corrupt, money machines serving only their political views (fascists) Also, I work for a bank. Your money is insured, but on a crumbling, fragile system of bank notes that are just promises of no real value. The whole system of “insured� bank deposits is a house of cards. 1984 is a precautionary to government control. Left wing, right wing...it’s all a great circle. The more left you go, the more fascist you become. Too far right and you become communist. You end up exactly where you were trying to avoid. 1984 cautions us against more government. Those who sit back and get drunk on the lies & pleasures of more government are proles.


Science fiction has predicted many of today's amazing occurences .
How good is George Orwell's story in your mind?
EL.



Mcrudo, you're an excellent troll. I salute you.
> I noticed you want to read Karl Marx’s The Communist Manifesto...hmmm...
I've read it a while ago. I already read it when I last commented.
> 1984 is a precautionary to government control
I agree
> Try disagreeing with the far left right now. You may very well get fired from your job
Barry, you goddamn snowflake. People who get fired from their jobs for being actual fascists are fully deserving of it. If people are being fired for being conservative while not being racist or anything, or if they're being fired because they said something years ago and no longer hold to those positions, then I agree, that is bad.
> Big Brother is alive and well
It sure is. The government, of which your dear leader is in control of, has the most insane surveillance system. Trump seems to approve of this, considering he reauthorized the Patriot Act, which gives the government spying powers. If anyone is Big Brother, it is Trump and the corporations that control him and the rest of the politicians.

And... breaking news today....
At least 25 of the largest corporations donate secretly to police brotherhoods, benevolent societies, charities, etc.
Why do you think they would do that?

The Patriot Act is for known terrorists, not for law abiding citizens.
As Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) said about the Patriot Act, "we simply cannot prevail in the battle against terrorism if the right hand of our government has no idea what the left hand is doing" (Press release, 10/26/01)
As Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) explained during the floor debate about the Act, "the FBI could get a wiretap to investigate the mafia, but they could not get one to investigate terrorists. To put it bluntly, that was crazy! What's good for the mob should be good for terrorists." (Cong. Rec., 10/25/01)
I don’t have to worry about that because I follow the law. And it seems the Democrats supported it as well...
China is a GREAT example of the community that Winston belonged to in 1984.
You know like Li-Meng Yan who had to secretly flee China to tell the truth about China’s COVID-19 cover-up? What’s weird is if you google her name, India Times comes up, the Australian comes up, Fox News comes up, but where are CNN, MSNBC, the rest of the msm? In China’s pocket?
Seems like a pretty big deal to me!


I actually feel bad for Biden going through an electoral race (even if only technically at this point) in his declining state...though that pity has subsided significantly since his campaign has found an excuse to mostly just keep him home and only release edited video statements.

God, give me strength.







That so many avaricious politicians see the success of Trump. We can already see reflections of him in Poland, Hungary, Brazil, The Philippines, etc
