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Babel by R.F. Kuang
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DNF at 60% but I skipped around until the end. Dark academia is hot right now, and Babel was supposed to be THE dark academia novel of the year. However, I absolutely despised Babel, and here's why...

RANT INCOMING:

What a boring, mean-spirited book. It had little charm and came from a place of hate. And can this author write about anything other than one person starting a revolutionary war? Even her dark academia novel ends up going in the same direction as her Poppy War trilogy. Sis hasn't gotten over her Hunger Games phase, it seems.

This book is SO dull. The only creative aspect was how the author managed to find different ways to say the same thing on every page: white people suck and they're evil. By the billionth time, a white person came along to crap on the main characters or say something stupid, I was like, 'Okay, we get it: whitey = evil.'

And the footnotes were annoying and useless. They didn't add anything to the story, and you could predict exactly what they were going to say before you even read them because 90% of them were just there to tear down every aspect of British history and culture. They'd pop in every now and then to tell you that some random thing was 'problematic.' No shit, Sherlock. Everything from 200 years ago (Sherlock Holmes included) is problematic. That's just history for you.

The characters:



Quick note: I remember seeing this fan art when Kuang announced on Twitter that she was writing a dark academia novel a couple of years back. It got me so excited to read this book, and I'm really disappointed that I ended up not liking it.

These are some of the most boring, one-dimensional characters I've read about in a while.

Robin - The author legit forgot to give Robin a personality. His defining trait was basically just noticing and reacting to racism.

Victoire - She was a perfect human with a flawless personality, which made her annoying. If she ever got mad at someone, the story would bend over backward to make her point of view justified.

Ramy - Ramy's defining trait was that he hates British people and their culture with every fiber of his being, but gets really upset when someone questions why he chose to study in Britain. The author was trying to do something with the hypocrisy of this, but because she was so hell-bent on portraying whites as evil and everyone else as good she missed the mark.

And then there's Letty, the blonde-haired white girl...

Letty breathes

Everyone in her friend group: 'Will this fcking btch ever shut up?'

Also...

Robin kills someone

The gang: Let's keep it a secret.

Letty: Hey... is this really the right thing to do?

The gang: I knew this btch was going to betray us at some point.

Letty was the author's favorite punching bag and outlet for all her hatred of white people. It was weird because Letty was created to be bullied and ostracized by the others. Was I supposed to enjoy this dynamic? There were scenes where the other three couldn't wait for Letty to leave the room so they could talk freely among themselves. It took all of their efforts to tolerate Letty being in their presence.

At one point Robin says that he feels sorry for Letty and describes her as the innocent one in the group. I thought the author was giving her favorite chew toy a break. But actually, this whole section was about how Letty's innocence came from her ignorance. She could never understand the others or truly experience things alongside them, and her attempts at caring and trying to connect with them were portrayed as annoying. When she grew impatient with their bad moods, it was supposed to be like a 'gotcha' moment, a confirmation that she's not one of them. Maybe this is a dig at white allies and the suggestion is that they'll always benefit from white culture. Even if they think they're being helpful, they're still part of the problem and will always be. See what I mean about this book being mean-spirited? lol

The cherry on top of this crap sundae was Letty's inevitable character arc. It turns out that Letty had a huge crush on Ramy, but Ramy could barely tolerate her presence. Because she couldn't have him, her entitled, sociopathic white rage finally came out for everyone to see. She betrayed her friend group and got Ramy killed (I don't know the full details because I was skipping around by this point). She destroyed him because she couldn't get her way with him. Maybe Kuang's message here is that the white woman's true self will come out when she's denied something because white culture teaches her that she can have anything she wants and minorities must fall in line with her will. Jesus... what a point of view lol. Then, to drive the point home, Victoire reflects back on her friendship with Letty and says that Letty was always a horrible, abusive person and now she finally sees it. Well I didn't see it. In the beginning anyway, I mean, Letty was acting like a fairly normal person. Does that mean the author wanted us to read negatively into everything she did just because... she's white?

All I wanted was for Kuang to present a more balanced view of humanity through the inclusion of Letty in the friend group. But nope lol! She thoroughly destroys any chance of that by making sure we know that all along Letty was a bad person, which means she was never really friends with them.

Another aspect of Letty that frustrated me was that the only sympathetic quality she was given was her minority status as a woman in college at that time. It was the only thing allowed to be good about her. So basically in the world of the book, if a character had a minority status they were allowed at least one point for sympathy. But unfortunately for Letty, being the whitest of whites gave her about minus 99 points automatically.

It was almost impressive how Kuang made sure that not a single white character is remotely likable. Even the cook, who was initially nice to Robin when he arrived in Britain, is later revealed to be a terrible person because she saw Robin getting beaten and didn't do anything about it. So yeah, kudos to the author for her dogged determination to make sure no white gets away seeming likeable.

The Message:

The book's message about the harmful effects of British colonization is important and worth discussing. It's undeniable that the countries under British rule suffered greatly. But while I can understand Kuang's strong feelings on the matter, I personally believe that British colonization is a complex issue that cannot be reduced to a simple dichotomy of good or bad.

I come from a culture that has been affected by British colonialism, too. My mother is from a small South Pacific island that was colonized by the British in the 1800s. The traditional customs of my mother's culture were replaced with western ones, and the actions of the British at the time caused trauma that still affects my mother's culture today. However, the reality is that if things had not happened as they did, I and many others would not be here now. We also might not have had the opportunities we have right now to create a positive future for ourselves and others.

While it's important to acknowledge historical injustices, dwelling on them and harboring resentment towards white people today is not right. The thing I don't like about Babel is that there are very few gray areas (from what I read), it's like 545 pages of encouraging the reader to see white people as one-dimensional caricatures, and embracing feelings of resentment and victimization and then feeling justified in these thoughts.

I think this book might encourage POCs to adopt a victim mentality. When I was younger I bought into the idea that as a POC, I had been wronged in some way because of the past. But these beliefs aren't even true and they also caused a lot of unnecessary insecurity and deppression. And I realized that there is no end to the blame game. I deeply regret wasting my energy on all of that. So I hate seeing my fellow POCs waste theirs by buying into victimhood and resentment when they could be doing things to actually bring themselves up. I understand that people are at different stages of healing, and I'm not saying that people should just shut up and be happy. I'm also not saying that my people's relationship with British colonization is equal to other nations. All I know is that this book tries to make it okay to judge others based on their minority status, rather than on just being who they are. This is a terrible way to view others. Further, I believe the book promotes a victim mentality, which, from my experience, only harms mental health in the long run.

Anyway so yeah, if you were to study at Oxford in the 1800s as a non-white international student, you would have been treated poorly by the locals. But even the book admits that at that time, Robin's home country of Canton was rife with misogyny. Every nation was committing vile and foolish acts 200 years ago. For example, my people used to literally eat their enemies. The last time I visited my mother's island, I purchased a history book about people being kidnapped and eaten by rival clans. This was not only for revenge, but it was also believed that the person consuming the victim would gain some of their powers. When the British arrived, they condemned cannibalism (and some of the missionaries were even speared and eaten as a result). The British may have butt in, but their decision to act as custodians over the islands set off a chain of events that led my mother's people into the modern world.

Last thoughts:

Each to their own, but I find myself side-eying the white people who are so eager to give this book five stars. Perhaps they're far less irritable than me or they enjoy masochism. Or maybe after reading 545 pages of white-people bashing, they've been worn down?

Additionally, many might be feeling like they need to be cautious when discussing the book because they know they'll be attacked for expressing their true opinions on it. It doesn't need to be said, you and I just know that calling out a minority's resentment of white people is not the done thing and opens one up to being attacked.

We've just accepted that white people are now punching bags for minorities in order to make up for the past. And whites have accepted this role and are expected to endure it because they supposedly "come from a place of privilege". When a POC spews hatred over whites, they're punching up, and therefore whites shouldn't be offended.

Firstly, that is not my idea of equality.

Secondly, I understand that white people mean well when they say they come from a place of privilege, etc, but it's cringey and minorities don't need to be coddled like that. If anything, the fact that we are bending over backwards to avoid calling out a minority author for this type of bigotry does not imply that whites are the privileged ones, now does it? Kuang is free to write whatever she wants, but her mean-spirited approach in this book is ultimately destructive. At least for me, it completely destroys any interest I had in this book or any of her future works.

Summing up:

Considering how popular this book is, it will likely encourage more people to buy into the blind hatred that leads to a lifetime of anger, suffering, and victimhood. That's sad because I would rather see minorities breaking the cycle of our intergenerational trauma by living well and thriving. You can't achieve that by being vengeful and expecting others to tolerate you, sorry.

This book was engaged in a mean-spiritedness that felt fundamentally gross to me. I call out gross shit when I see it, and if that makes me an uncultured swine, so be it

*Edited on 1/09/23 to make my points a bit clearer*

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message 451: by lauryn (new) - rated it 5 stars

lauryn You¡¯ve completely misunderstood the writing of Letty though. You wrote your review like the three of them hated Letty when in fact they loved her so much they couldn¡¯t stay mad at her even after she did something terrible. Did you forget she killed someone too? They did not ostracise her for majority of the book, and they waited for her to leave AFTER they joined the resistance they could not talk openly about. I feel that your hurt feelings gave you tunnel vision so bad that you were unable to read the same book we all did. Btw, Letty wasn¡¯t ¡°racist¡±, she was just someone who couldn¡¯t understand the others. You misinterpreted everything and exaggerated it all in this comment.


Cayli?? Letty is this your Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ account??


message 453: by aryeh (new) - rated it 3 stars

aryeh not the whitey!


message 454: by Medollga (new)

Medollga Since I was studying translation at university, this book sounded interesting to me for it's translation angle. I even assumed it would be inspired by the legend of Babel Tower...your review saved me my time and nerves!


Elizabeth I think the point the author was making with Lettie¡¯s character arc was how difficult it is for the white, British people to really see what POC were going through. Every time her friends explained (patiently I might add) the struggles they faced as people of color and who were taken from their homeland, she constantly argued back. Letty did not want to truly believe what they were saying, and once she started accepting it, she was having a nervous breakdown. At the end of the day, it showed how easily Letty could walk away from Hermes because she wasn¡¯t struggling with being white and British, and therefore has no true convictions to stay in Hermes.


message 456: by Vince (new) - rated it 5 stars

Vince You really said British colonialism... maybe a good thing.. maybe a bad thing.. we may never know ?


message 457: by JM (new) - rated it 4 stars

JM You complained about missed details¡­ when you DNF¡¯d and skimmed ?


message 458: by Ro (new) - added it

Ro This review reads like it was written from someone who decided what their stance on the book would be before they read enough of it to grasp the concept in its entirety. So much anger for a book you didn¡¯t finish.


message 459: by Anna (new) - rated it 5 stars

Anna Sadlo What a crazy thing to write on the internet¡­ I cannot imagine putting myself on blast for being an ignorant white person with zero literacy skills for anyone to see¡­


Madison DNF at 60% of this review, what a garbage take


Phyre ÈÕ•Ÿ You admitted to not really reading the book and then proceeded to post an essay review with half baked opinions on a topic you¡¯ve clearly never researched or cared for. Did you forget about Professor craft? Or would your entire rant fall flat by mentioning her being white AND being for the revolution. Perhaps you just didn¡¯t read that part. If the style of the book wasn¡¯t written in your taste just say that


message 462: by Melike (new) - rated it 4 stars

Melike The effort you put into your review should have been put into reading and understanding the book.. Saying that your mothers culture was colonialized and then coming to the conclusion to be grateful to have opportunities you wouldnt have if that didnt happen is exactly what is discussed in the book and a problem Robin suffers from.


message 463: by sav (new) - rated it 5 stars

sav lmfao okay


message 464: by Della (new) - rated it 5 stars

Della Dickerson I bet you¡¯re fun at parties *eye roll*


message 465: by Robin (new) - rated it 5 stars

Robin Your claim that Kuang only portrays white people as horrible only shows how much you didn¡¯t understand babel because there are white people in the book who actively choose to overcome their prejudices like professor craft,the labor union that worked with Hermes and their were also many people on the inside who helped Hermes that weren¡¯t POC ???


message 466: by Robin (new) - rated it 1 star

Robin Herriot I've joined GR to reply to your comment. Maybe I'll stick around.

I've just given up on p270 after racing through the first 50 pages or so. Only the second book I've not finished that I can remember - the other is A Little Life.

I won't comment on race or colonialism - as others and your review does that much better - but safe to say it just got boring after a while. My main objection is making linguistics the basis of some kind of magic. And the author is a linguist. So lazy and borderline arrogant. Once I got to the point where it was clear that the promising premise of 'magical silver' was just an ego trip I gave up. The tedium about race etc didn't help.


message 467: by Alex (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alex Enciso For a book you didn¡¯t even finish, you sure had a lot to say. While yeah, most of the white characters are portrayed negatively, I don¡¯t think the author is trying to make readers hate white people¡ªshe¡¯s just showing history as it was. Babel is deeply rooted in the realities of colonialism, and for minorities like the main characters, this kind of oppression wasn¡¯t just a subplot¡ªit was their entire existence. Plus, the author is incredibly well-educated on this topic, so it¡¯s not like these portrayals are coming out of nowhere. Maybe the discomfort isn¡¯t about the book being unfair, but about it holding up a mirror to a history that¡¯s often downplayed.


Alethea Watre Momin Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ need to make an update to downvote.


message 469: by abi (new) - rated it 5 stars

abi i aim reading allat?


Matthew Murry I think this is a very short-sighted and shallow reading of this novel. I think you are taking the anti-colonialism rhetoric too personally and not understanding what Kuang is trying to say. Letty is a "punching bag," not because the author hates white people, but because Letty is a character that benefits from colonialism and is unwilling to see the way that her life has benefitted. She has had a difficult life and has a whole interlude dedicated to explaining her choices, which tells me that Kuang has sympathy for her and her situation. Unlike the other characters, though, Letty can afford to live in her privilege. Britain does not wage war on women or enslave them in exactly the same way they do to others. She is subjugated, yes, but not in the same way. There is a fundamental gap between what Letty experiences and what the others in her cohort experience. That is what it feels like you are missing. That is why she believes that peace is still a solution when the others resort to violence. That explains why she is fearful of extremism -- her minority group is not subjugated to the same extremes as racial minorities. There is a fundamental gap in her experiences WHICH IS THE POINT. She is not evil and the others don't see her that way. They just don't know how to get her to see their worldview and she is fundmentally incapable because her oppression is so different than theirs.


message 471: by nabi (new) - rated it 5 stars

nabi What a emptyminded review istg???¡â????¡â????¡â?


Yazhini Manimudi ³Ò³Ü¨«


message 473: by Alex (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alex let me guess¡­ hearing too much about what colonialism has done to more than half of the world was too hard for you? imagine living it¡­ it¡¯s like letty wrote this comment ?


message 474: by Odin (new)

Odin Honestly. this review actually makes this book have a certain appeal


message 475: by Renee (new)

Renee genuinely thought a white person wrote this review until they mentioned being a poc... what on earth


message 476: by Amy Savvides (new) - added it

Amy Savvides I've just started reading this and came to see if anyone else was in any way bothered by the heavy-handed way this book seems to deal with racism and colonialism.


message 477: by mehak (new) - rated it 4 stars

mehak no way ur a poc bruh¡­. i haven¡¯t even finished the book yet and this is the dumbest take ive ever heard


message 478: by Cardan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Cardan R an entire essay crying about the hatred of white people is fucking hilarious


message 479: by Ai (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ai You must be white.


message 480: by shay (new) - rated it 2 stars

shay naw you¡¯re definitely projecting


message 481: by Velda (new) - rated it 5 stars

Velda There was so much salt in this review that my eyes burned.


Isabella Cretens writing such an extensive review of a book that you didn¡¯t even fully read is very funny. im white asf, and i related to letty through moments in this book and it was really able to open my eyes to how much of my privelge i take for granted. it truly feels like the entire point of the book has flown way over your head. the reality of life is that white people have done some shitty ass things. this book discussed the very real issue of the opium war on china, which not surprisingly caused by white people. sometimes people get mad about that stuff, and sometimes they have things to say. since such a large chunk of this book takes place in the 40% of the book that you didnt read i would largely reccomend actually reading that, as a lot of the things that you said actually kinda have a direct rebuttal in the text. but you could also not do that and keep up this incredibly uninformed review.


message 483: by ky (new) - added it

ky see when i first saw this i was like oh that makes sense then i kept reading when you said white = evil i realized, you must be white!


message 484: by Breann (new) - rated it 5 stars

Breann O'Shea Clearly someone didn¡¯t read the entire last section in which an alliance of the oppressed is built (of all races) to fight against the oppressors who are rich white men benefitting on the construct of race and exploitation of resources. Simple history here.. to be so offended by the reality of racism and violence of colonialism that you won¡¯t even finish the book is why history repeats itself.


message 485: by Zoe (new) - rated it 4 stars

Zoe Mwangi Kuang writes in gruelling detail why colonialism is bad every 3-5 pages and somehow you still missed the point. Get well soon.


message 486: by broe (new) - rated it 5 stars

broe Genuinely how is this your take ??


message 487: by Ashley (new) - added it

Ashley Philipp This review definitely needs the spoiler warning checkmark, lol


anoushka You¡¯re so dense


ayan🦢 Writing a review about how this book portrayed white people as bad, while acting like A white person is the reason why you shouldn't open your mouth about this book?


message 490: by aeva ?? ?* (new) - added it

aeva ?? ?* dont read a HISTORICAL fiction novel written by a poc, with a main character thats also a poc, and expect it to not talk about white supremacy. imagine being this stupid omg.


message 491: by aeva ?? ?* (new) - added it

aeva ?? ?* this is crazy coming from someone who isnt even white themselves


message 492: by Miranda (new) - added it

Miranda wow. someone is very unwilling to confront their own racism.


Cheyanne Petty rage bait


Shannon The Co-captain I¡¯m reading this now. I just finished book 1 (chapter 4). I didn¡¯t finish the review because I felt like it might get into some spoilers but I¡¯m definitely feeling what you¡¯re talking about. It¡¯s the BOTM for a challenge I¡¯m doing but I feel a big 1 star coming. Especially if I¡¯m going to have read 500 pages of how bad Britain is and how evil white people are. So far, everyone white has been an ass. Since Britain is so terrible I suppose Robin would have been better off staying behind in poverty and famine in Canton. Anyone presenting only the evils of colonialism while directly benefiting from the advancements it brought is hypocrite. I just realized this is the same author who wrote Yellowface and I¡¯m not the audience for this.


message 495: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Kirchherr ^ Shannon The Show Stopper - Are you seriously saying that colonialism is okay in the end because there were ¡°advancements?¡± What if these countries didn¡¯t want the ¡°advancements¡± and preferred to be left the fuck alone and avoid the violence and genocide? For fuck¡¯s sake, white people did not save the countries they colonized because of whatever ¡°advancements¡± you¡¯re deluding yourself into thinking was worth the violence.


message 496: by Chichi (new) - added it

Chichi ^^ or to think that colonized countries weren¡¯t advanced in ways Europeans couldn¡¯t even imagine. Colonization is the reason for most colonized country¡¯s issues with poverty and famine, not something that allowed people to escape from it. I haven¡¯t even started the book but how upset it¡¯s making certain people with certain opinions makes me definitely want to get started ??


message 497: by m (new) - rated it 5 stars

m what an incredibly shallow and narrow-sighted perspective on this book. just because colonialism to you is a complicated matter than cannot be classified as good or bad, you think every poc should share that opinion? isn¡¯t that basically what your entire coke rant is about? - that kuang¡¯s view on colonialism is entire reductionist? but ironically enough, your perspective about her view on colonialism within the book is also reductionist. also, i find it extremely hard to believe you¡¯re poc lmao. if you are, then perhaps consider how pandering to these colonial structures within our history and our society serves you as a poc. especially in a time where it¡¯s clear that society is in regression.


message 498: by lari (new) - rated it 5 stars

lari brito loud and wrong ?


message 499: by Bee ?? (new) - added it

Bee ?? I refuse to believe a poc could ever say something like this. Most countries that the british has colonized has suffered more bc of the colonization. Maybe your tiny island was better off but many people's country including me have been labelled as 3rd world country bc of the 200 years of being slaves of the whites and are still reeling from the aftereffects and may continue till only God knows how long. The Britishers have only bought pain and death for us and looted us till we were left with nothing and even today refuse to accept the atrocities they commited. It's so embarrassing to see a poc who's white washing the crimes the Britishers have commited to be accepted by the whites. Please learn some history and get out of this narrow mindset that you have got. If white people are villainized, maybe it's bc they have always been one of the vile villains in history. Even without the british colonization my country would have thrived just like it had been doing when the british came to loot us.


message 500: by Paul (new) - rated it 1 star

Paul I have been incredibly frustrated by this novel, but I thoroughly enjoyed your review. This novel is a weird mix of American progressivism and Xi Jinping historical revisionism. At one point, I asked myself out loud, "is she REALLY trying to rehabilitate the late Qing dynasty? Who does that?"

It was a very childish book, which is a shame. The linguistics were pretty enjoyable.


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