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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Harry Potter, #7)
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Ok, before I start a few warnings. This will contain spoilers (though since I'm writing this a year after the release I don't think it's too much of a tragedy), it will be long and it will be negative because I really didn't like this book.
Reading books one to five I was very impressed with the storytelling from a novice novellist. There was magic, there were characters you could love, and sure there were some cliche'd storylines, but they were interspersed with really interesting sidestories (Peeves, SPEW, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes). I was enthralled as a teenager and I am enthralled now as an adult when I re-read them.
But I have to say the the quality dropped markedly in books six and seven. The ramblings (that started out cute in GoF and OotP) have become pronounced and boring. The characters have lost much of what made them endearing, and the plot has gone to hell.
Focusing on Deathly Hallows, I had a very strong feeling that six months before her deadline, JKR went on to the internet, discovered that everyone had guessed her 'twists' (honestly, who didn't know that Harry was an accidental Horcrux, RAB was Sirius's brother, the diadem was at Hogwarts, the locket was at Grimmauld Place, Dumbledore ordered Snape to kill him, Snape was in love with Lily and Ron would be a it and abandon Harry and Hermione?), and felt the need to come up with a new plot device. This would explain the incredible stupidity that is the deathly hallows and the plot holes and gaps in logic that involve them.
Now, it has been a while since I read it so some of my names and such might be wrong, and if it does answer the questions in the book in such a round about way I apologise, but the Elder Wand does not make sense. I'm willing to accept that it follows it's own set of rules separate from those of other wands (where Haary can use Hermione's wand almost as well as his own and all of the disarming they did in book five didn't make their wands all change ownerships) but the course of events whereby Harry became the owner of the wand are just plain silly. If Grindelwald simply stole the wand from Gregorovich (sp?), how did that make him the wands owner? If the wand is unbeatable, how did Dumbledore defeat Grindelwald (I know Rita Skeeter theorised that Grindelwald surrended, but how does that pass the wand's ownership to Dumbledore. Surrender is not the same as defeat). And if the wand is unbeatable, why was Dumbledore unable to defeat Voldemort when they dueled on OotP? And also, is Harry really so conceited and stupid to think that no one would ever defeat or disarm him, making them the owner of the wand? Shouldn't he have broken it? If he does become an auror in later life someone is bound to disarm him eventually, and if they knew about the wand, they could easily steal it back from Dumbledore's tomb.
The other major thing that ticked me off was the characterisation. Hermione, Harry and Ron have always been some of my favourite characters, but here they are acting completely different from previous books. Harry using Unforgivable curses without a hint of remorse, and not comforting Hermione when Ron takes off, instead staring at a 'Ginny-dot'. Can we say creepy and stalkerish?
And Hermione, who for the most part was still loyal and brave and smart (loved the bottomless bag bit, and her being there for Harry at Godric's Hollow), was so pathetic when it came to Ron. I know love makes people do the wacky, but crying for days on end when they're supposed to be searching for Horcruxes, kissing him in the middle of the war because he finally showed a tiny inkling of care towards the house-elves.
And Ron. Gah! I mean, I love Ron, but you would have thought he could have grown up a little, just a smidgen. But no, running away because of the locket (one ring to rule them all...). Those who defend him saying it affected him more than Harry or Hermione because he had more insecurities is just dumb. Harry and Hermione had just as much to be insecure about. Harry, with his saving-people-thing, could easily have gone nuts with the locket around his neck and ran away from the others because he was terrified that they'd get killed. And Hermione has always been insecure, about being Muggle-born, about proving herself, about Ron and Harry and their friendships. Sure, he wanted to come back the moment he left, but he still left. Which I could accept were it not for such a stupid reason. And then he got his 'super-moment' which was so lame. Honestly, 'Ron can remember and copy paseltongue', uhuh. Wouldn't it have made much more sense to say, have Ginny come along, who could possibly still say the word from when she opened it under Tom's control in CoS. And then Ron mentioned the house-elves, to make himself 'worthy' (JKR's words, not mine) of Hermione. For one thing, why does he need to make himself 'worthy' since she already loved him for all his insensitivity and insecurity, and why did that 'worthiness' have to be something that Harry already had in abounds?
Yes, I am a H/Hr shipper, but that is by no means the reason I hated this book (as you can see from above). If H/Hr had been handled as badly as R/Hr or H/G, I would have hated it. But the fact remains that the most romantic scenes in this book were between Harry and Hermione. At Grimmauld Place when Harry showed Hermione the picture, at the wedding where Hermione beamed at Harry, at Godric's Hollow where they strolled arm in arm under the kissing gate in the snow. While in canon, Harry married Ginny and Ron married Hermione, that will never convince me that they are the better couples. Harry and Hermione had the friendship, the trust, the alchemy. They were the most developed relationship in the series, and the fact that they didn't end up together in the book doesn't change that.
The final things I feel like picking on - the epilogue came across as being written by a teenage fangirl. No depth, no meaning, just stupid-named kids. I get that JKR wanted Harry to end the book with the normal family life he never had, it could have been handled so much better. And seriously, Albus Severus? That poor kid must have been teased horribly. And why Severus? Sure, he turned out to be not evil, but for Harry to chance his mind about the man after seven years of abuse and ill treatment just because he was scamming on Lily. It's just gross. And unrealistic. I was so hoping there was more to Snape's story than twenty years of unrequited love. Gah. It may have been a sweet way for him to become not evil, but Lily was very, very dead for a very long time, and no one holds on that hard to love. If caring for her wasn't enough for him to stray away from the dark arts while she was alive, why was it enough when she was dead?
Also, the invisibility cloak was supposed to be infallible, and yet Moody saw through it in OotP and Dementor's could see through it in PoA, supposedly. And, my god did the death scene's suck in this book. Yes, its a war so plenty of people, including main characters were going to die, but when I felt worse about Dobby than I did about Remus (who is one of my favourite characters) you just know that the author hasn't put enough emotion into it. He was the last of the Marauders, for god's sake, he deserved an on-page death at the very least. Maybe defending Harry or Tonks. Something!
Well, there ends the rant. There were a few good points in the novel (like Godric's Hollow, before the stupidity of Harry not realising that Bathilda was Nagini, and the awesomeness of Neville) but they were few and far between and do not at all make up for the rest of the drivel.
Read it because it is the conclusion to a series that took seventeen years to write, but do not expect the fireworks that such a finale could have been. There's better fanfics out there.
Reading books one to five I was very impressed with the storytelling from a novice novellist. There was magic, there were characters you could love, and sure there were some cliche'd storylines, but they were interspersed with really interesting sidestories (Peeves, SPEW, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes). I was enthralled as a teenager and I am enthralled now as an adult when I re-read them.
But I have to say the the quality dropped markedly in books six and seven. The ramblings (that started out cute in GoF and OotP) have become pronounced and boring. The characters have lost much of what made them endearing, and the plot has gone to hell.
Focusing on Deathly Hallows, I had a very strong feeling that six months before her deadline, JKR went on to the internet, discovered that everyone had guessed her 'twists' (honestly, who didn't know that Harry was an accidental Horcrux, RAB was Sirius's brother, the diadem was at Hogwarts, the locket was at Grimmauld Place, Dumbledore ordered Snape to kill him, Snape was in love with Lily and Ron would be a it and abandon Harry and Hermione?), and felt the need to come up with a new plot device. This would explain the incredible stupidity that is the deathly hallows and the plot holes and gaps in logic that involve them.
Now, it has been a while since I read it so some of my names and such might be wrong, and if it does answer the questions in the book in such a round about way I apologise, but the Elder Wand does not make sense. I'm willing to accept that it follows it's own set of rules separate from those of other wands (where Haary can use Hermione's wand almost as well as his own and all of the disarming they did in book five didn't make their wands all change ownerships) but the course of events whereby Harry became the owner of the wand are just plain silly. If Grindelwald simply stole the wand from Gregorovich (sp?), how did that make him the wands owner? If the wand is unbeatable, how did Dumbledore defeat Grindelwald (I know Rita Skeeter theorised that Grindelwald surrended, but how does that pass the wand's ownership to Dumbledore. Surrender is not the same as defeat). And if the wand is unbeatable, why was Dumbledore unable to defeat Voldemort when they dueled on OotP? And also, is Harry really so conceited and stupid to think that no one would ever defeat or disarm him, making them the owner of the wand? Shouldn't he have broken it? If he does become an auror in later life someone is bound to disarm him eventually, and if they knew about the wand, they could easily steal it back from Dumbledore's tomb.
The other major thing that ticked me off was the characterisation. Hermione, Harry and Ron have always been some of my favourite characters, but here they are acting completely different from previous books. Harry using Unforgivable curses without a hint of remorse, and not comforting Hermione when Ron takes off, instead staring at a 'Ginny-dot'. Can we say creepy and stalkerish?
And Hermione, who for the most part was still loyal and brave and smart (loved the bottomless bag bit, and her being there for Harry at Godric's Hollow), was so pathetic when it came to Ron. I know love makes people do the wacky, but crying for days on end when they're supposed to be searching for Horcruxes, kissing him in the middle of the war because he finally showed a tiny inkling of care towards the house-elves.
And Ron. Gah! I mean, I love Ron, but you would have thought he could have grown up a little, just a smidgen. But no, running away because of the locket (one ring to rule them all...). Those who defend him saying it affected him more than Harry or Hermione because he had more insecurities is just dumb. Harry and Hermione had just as much to be insecure about. Harry, with his saving-people-thing, could easily have gone nuts with the locket around his neck and ran away from the others because he was terrified that they'd get killed. And Hermione has always been insecure, about being Muggle-born, about proving herself, about Ron and Harry and their friendships. Sure, he wanted to come back the moment he left, but he still left. Which I could accept were it not for such a stupid reason. And then he got his 'super-moment' which was so lame. Honestly, 'Ron can remember and copy paseltongue', uhuh. Wouldn't it have made much more sense to say, have Ginny come along, who could possibly still say the word from when she opened it under Tom's control in CoS. And then Ron mentioned the house-elves, to make himself 'worthy' (JKR's words, not mine) of Hermione. For one thing, why does he need to make himself 'worthy' since she already loved him for all his insensitivity and insecurity, and why did that 'worthiness' have to be something that Harry already had in abounds?
Yes, I am a H/Hr shipper, but that is by no means the reason I hated this book (as you can see from above). If H/Hr had been handled as badly as R/Hr or H/G, I would have hated it. But the fact remains that the most romantic scenes in this book were between Harry and Hermione. At Grimmauld Place when Harry showed Hermione the picture, at the wedding where Hermione beamed at Harry, at Godric's Hollow where they strolled arm in arm under the kissing gate in the snow. While in canon, Harry married Ginny and Ron married Hermione, that will never convince me that they are the better couples. Harry and Hermione had the friendship, the trust, the alchemy. They were the most developed relationship in the series, and the fact that they didn't end up together in the book doesn't change that.
The final things I feel like picking on - the epilogue came across as being written by a teenage fangirl. No depth, no meaning, just stupid-named kids. I get that JKR wanted Harry to end the book with the normal family life he never had, it could have been handled so much better. And seriously, Albus Severus? That poor kid must have been teased horribly. And why Severus? Sure, he turned out to be not evil, but for Harry to chance his mind about the man after seven years of abuse and ill treatment just because he was scamming on Lily. It's just gross. And unrealistic. I was so hoping there was more to Snape's story than twenty years of unrequited love. Gah. It may have been a sweet way for him to become not evil, but Lily was very, very dead for a very long time, and no one holds on that hard to love. If caring for her wasn't enough for him to stray away from the dark arts while she was alive, why was it enough when she was dead?
Also, the invisibility cloak was supposed to be infallible, and yet Moody saw through it in OotP and Dementor's could see through it in PoA, supposedly. And, my god did the death scene's suck in this book. Yes, its a war so plenty of people, including main characters were going to die, but when I felt worse about Dobby than I did about Remus (who is one of my favourite characters) you just know that the author hasn't put enough emotion into it. He was the last of the Marauders, for god's sake, he deserved an on-page death at the very least. Maybe defending Harry or Tonks. Something!
Well, there ends the rant. There were a few good points in the novel (like Godric's Hollow, before the stupidity of Harry not realising that Bathilda was Nagini, and the awesomeness of Neville) but they were few and far between and do not at all make up for the rest of the drivel.
Read it because it is the conclusion to a series that took seventeen years to write, but do not expect the fireworks that such a finale could have been. There's better fanfics out there.
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Tara, I didn't read your whole review, but I skimmed it, and I think I can explain the Elder Wand to you. Transferring it was if they KILLED them, not defeated them. Grindelwald wasn't the wand's owner. That's why Dumbledore defeated him. I thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess that some people just didn't get it.


Probably the most problematic thing about the entire series is that Harry is the central character, therefore, all of the action that HE sees is all that WE the reader get to see. And everything else that happens We and Harry learn via hearsay or the spiritual connection between Harry and Voldemort. I did miss Hogwarts more than anything else in DH. Guess we'll never know what happened while H, R & H were out traipsing through the forests, unless Rowling decides to make a sideline story detailing what we missed.





A few counterpoints: Moody's magical eye was more powerful than the magic of the cloak; the dementors don't see but sense emotion which the cloak doesn't hide. Snape's obsession with Lily is strange but not unbelievable. He had an epiphany about evil. That's what was keeping him good. His guilt about Lily was making him keep his promise. Lily is a Mary Sue because we only see brief interactions with her Harry who idolizes her. Any mom can be sweet to her son twice in 17 years. I don't think she's infallible in her youth.
I didn't think the trio were out of character other than a little older but just as teenage annoying as ever. Hermoine cries in several books, Ron has always been a hot-head who doesn't back Harry, and the anger/conceit in Harry has been building. What I was disappointed with was Snape. I wanted more scenes, something more courageous from his death, and an explanation for the flying (though not plot holes). Plus I wanted to see his picture on the wall in the headmaster's office.
Do you really think people had all those twists figured out? I'd worked out a few, but I was pleasantly surprised. While I agree with the discrepency of the wands, I still loved the book. There were so many great scenes and the way it ended--while I know a lot of people who didn't like--brought the series full circle and changed the tone of the earlier books. It may have been unnecessary but I didn't want it to end and I for one was glad she included it. For me the biggest disappointment in this book was that it had to end. The last two books are what made me love the series.
Sorry so long :). I hope you are enjoying better reads this year.

However, I'm not exactly sure how you think so many people could've figured out all those plot twists. Maybe the people who were so obsessed with the series that they were threatening Rowling's life because she ended the series, but I can't imagine too many other people figuring out ALL of those plot twists. I didn't figure out any of them and I read (listened to I should say) the entire series in 6 months so everything was fresh in my mind.


And as far as not reading childrens books, it took JK 11 years to write this series. Anyone who was a child when they started this, say 10 years old or so, would be 21 years old now. Hardly a child anymore. As the readers grew up so did the books so you can't really call any of the books past book 4 children's books.

I agree with Sara and Ryan! I LOVED all of the Harry Potter books, number 6 was my favorite, but 7 and 3 tie for 2nd!

I am one of those people who was 10 when it started and 21 when it ended, so I have a lot of emotions and time invested in this series, (and I was what you would call an "obsessive fan") but I would agree with Tara. Although, I didn't really guess very many of the twists (except for RAB- I mean, really! Come on! That one was way to simple), this book was still lacking in the magic the first six had.

I am one of those people who was 10 when it started and 21 when it ended, so I have a lot of emotions and time invested in this series, (and I was what you would call an "obsessive fan") but I would agree with Tara. Although, I didn't really guess very many of the twists (except for RAB- I mean, really! Come on! That one was way to simple), this book was still lacking in the magic the first six had.

I also hoped than Remus Lupin receive greater value since he played an important role in the series.




Even if you take out the dismal plot and contrived action (Hermione=walking plot point), this book still wouldn't be my favorite. The pacing was just so off from the tight, exciting action of books 1-3.


I agree! The Harry Potter-series is a good excuse to get away from reality.

Alright, first of all the invisibility cloak was infallible. Moody's magical eye is why he could see through it. And Dememtors can't "see" at all. They can feel a person's feelings. That's why they could tell if anyone was there under an invisibility cloak.
I do however think that Lupin's death could've been more emotional. I was very depressed about Dobby, and thought that it was probably way more emotional than all of the battle of hogwarts.
I started writing a retort and then I scrolled up and saw this. It was almost exactly the way I felt and I cna't believe that anyone doesn't like Harry Potter.

all harry potter fans out there! yay for us!


That? Is simply not true. It's not fact, it is your interpretation of the text, based on the your previously stated H/Hr preferences. I didn't find those scenes romantic in the slightest, I found them to be adorable touching scenes between two best friends. Your insistence that they have the most chemistry and all the history and other blah blah blah is also your opinion, based on your preference for H/Hr.
So your insistence that you didn't like who everyone ended up with is not only because you are a H/Hr shipper doesn't ring entirely true.
So hey, sorry 'bout ya there.

It is easy to say "honestly, who didn't know Harry was a horcrux etc" after you've read the book. Admit it, you had suspicions and you went back and reread the books delving for the cleverly hidden clues, then you spent delicious hours with your friends discussing your theories. You even joined forums online where you discovered more clues that you hadn't thought of. Please don't fob off the writing as
incredible stupidity just because you spent the time to work it out. Remember how much fun that was?
As for the Elder wand, I agree I found wand lore confusing and a bit tedious but if you reread the book (which you won't because you hated it) I am sure you will find there are no loose ends.
I don't think Harry is the least bit "stupid and conceited" when it comes to the Elder wand, he just doesn't want anything to do with what it represents. You're right though, he should have broken it.
Your review came across very well thought out but you lost me at "Harry uses Unforgivable Curses without remorse" I could be wrong but I don't ever remember Harry using Avada Kadavra, Crutiatus or Imperio... can anyone quote the passages?
Wait... he did try the Crutiatus curse on Bellatrix but it didn't work very well because he isn't evil enough. (And no one would blame him for being unremorseful - she had just killed Sirius for gods sake).
and "Staring at a Ginny dot.. can we say creepy and stalkerish?". I think most people would have read that the way it was intended, that is to say Harry is a nice guy, taking a private moment from his miserable predicament to mourn for the company of the girl he loves. A girl who loves him back and wouldn't mind at all to know he was thinking of her.
Harry and Hermione? Really? Wow!
Ron... Don't you think it takes a grown up to return to the scene of the crime and face up to the music?
Snapes love for Lily. It is true that there are very few people in the world who would stay true to unrequited love, but Snape had the kind of loner intensity that that made it believable. And it gave him a redeeming quality to balance out the rest- the fact that we worked it out before it was published doesn't mean JKR is any less of a brilliant writer. It was all planned to happen the way it did from the very beginning.
The "quality" didn't "drop markedly"... the tone did. How do you escalate a war against an evil wizard and keep everyone laughing at the same time? Why would you?



The wand would have chosen Dumbledore anyway because the wand chooses the wizard. Grindelwald's surrender was his weakness to the wand, so that is why Dumbledore was able to wield it.
Why did Dumbledore not defeat Voldemort if he had it? Again, the wand isn't unbeatable. Besides, Dumbledore's main concern during that fight was the safety of Harry. If you noticed, Dumbledore was being completely defensive where as Voldemort was on the offense. Dumbledore was unable to defeat Voldemort? No, it was the other way around. Voldemort couldn't get past Dumbledore's defenses. So, I don't know what you were reading.
No one holds on that hard to love? Are you kidding me? So, now you're deciding in what ways people can feel? I know they're characters in a book, and they don't have real feelings, but give me a break. Snape was responsible for the death of the only person that EVER cared about him. How would that make you feel? Would you get over it? Sorry, I disagree with you there.
And you're upset because your favorite character didn't get the death he deserved? Seriously? If anything, Rowling's portrayal of death is spot on. Did Cedric deserve to die the way he did? Did Dumbledore deserve the way he died? That's the way death works. You can be the most noble, heroic person on the planet, and the reality of it all is someone can still break into your house and slit your throat in your sleep. Death doesn't care what you deserve, and I think Rowling portrays that realism wonderfully.
I would go into your other points about characterization, but you're nitpicking over the stupid, most insignificant things. Hermione's pathetic for crying over Ron? He LEFT her alone in the middle of nowhere. Wrap that around your brain. Harry is creepy and stalkerish for checking the map to see if Ginny is okay? Uhuh. It's a problem that Ron can copy Parsletongue? Not really. I can hear someone say "open" in Russian or Icelandic, and repeat it. I don't have to know what it means to say it.
Yeah, you complain about Rowling not putting enough heart and thought into the book, and here you're doing the same thing with your review.


And the epilogue!!! Oh my god! Horrendous! You were definitely correct in saying it was as if a fangirl had written it. How unrealistic and cliche!
Thank you for sharing your opinions. Its hard because other fans get so upset when people say bad things about the 7th book, but it really wasn't that good. Simple as that.

I aggree, They totally did not get the whole point of the book. I sat through it cringing at all the points that he made that showed how much he did not get it.

How on earth could have proclaimed to have *known* something almost completely untouched upon by JKR?'
silly.

I also found it interesting that you found the books so predictable, and that it was common knowledge. I didn't make any of the guesses you did.
I also enjoyed the character development right through to the end.
As far as the parts of the book that didn't make sense, well, I don't think they spoiled the book from an enjoyment perspective. I'm kind of amazed that you think so poorly of it, though it's been really interesting to read your thoughts.




It depends on your definition of brilliant. If you limit the word only to mean something that gives you a life altering experience then very little would be brilliant.
For me, brilliant encompasses things that I genuinely enjoy, characters I like and feel are real and carry a weight of their own, as well as imagination in plot and wit in story telling.
I think it's more than possible to feel passionate about a story that didn't change your life.