ŷ

Andre's Reviews > Pale Kings and Princes

Pale Kings and Princes by Cassandra Clare
Rate this book
Clear rating

by
6431131
's review

did not like it
bookshelves: fantasy, don-t-read-it

We already had the stuff with Helen so wasn't that enough advertisement for Dark Artifices? Apparently not. We needed some snippets from that “new� trilogy.

Just like we didn’t have enough of Simon’s whining so far. Here we get that he wasn’t a Shadowhunter, not yet—but he wasn’t exactly a mundane anymore, either, and he was tired of pretending to be. He should better get used to it as it would be part of his future job to pretend. If this were done by better writers I could assume this and his fantasies about the "better, braver Simon" were part of an interesting story arc, but based on all, this is just pointless whining. And after him apparently making Isabelle sit through a Star Wars: The Clone Wars marathon and didn’t notice when she fell asleep, accidentally insulted her taste and the dates ending with a good night handshake I asked half-jokingly whether Magnus's dad didn't alter Simon's entire personality after all. Or was it just Clare?
You know what is really hard in these stories? Knowing whether something is from Simon or the narrator. I mean how would he know whether the Clave considered the faeries worthy of extinction? Is he that judgmental? He also considered all Shadowhunters (also his “friends?�) idiots. Which is an elephant in the glashouse situation here. Furthermore I do wonder whether Simon is the bigger asshole. I get why Helen� no wait Julie� or was it Beatriz? No idea, I cannot keep them apart, it was the one whose brother was sliced in half by faeries. I get why she acts the way she does, but what is his excuse?
And the idiocy only continues when we get to the story of how Helen and her brother were conceived. Apparently her father fell for the old trick of hurting someone in the fairy realm and per reflex he sucked the blood, thereby took in fluid and so belonged to the faerie queen. A trick the hunters really should be prepared for, and yet these people are claimed to be clever and the faeries even more so. The same faeries that are stated to break the rules whenever they can get away with it. So why should anyone trust such people?
As a matter of fact Helen's conception was basically due to rape according to the story told here. Or is this "spell does not count" as rape? After all, this isn't just pheromones or so, her father was under a spell and the same faerie tortured her uncle at the same time. And according to this, he was not just whipped but burned alive several times. How exactly are you supposed not to feel harsh towards faeries after that? This is pretty sick shit. But yet the story seems to blame the hunters entirely despite from their perspective every faerie being pretty damn evil. And if her biological father and her stepmother allegedly knew deep down that she and her brother could never fully be trusted due to their faerie heritage, then why keep them to begin with? And based on what was shown in prior books I doubt the preferred faerie weapon is "human love", I would say it is Shadowhunter idiocy. Sure, the authors later did a complete cop-out and tell us, completely as a narrator, that in truth Helen’s mother loved her father (she is still an asshole though) but his “useless brother� (who was actually tortured by another faery) came between it and her lover found out about the torture. So it was all memory wipe and all, but no one would ever know because the faery died. Not that this cop-out surprises me but damn is that idiotic, especially since now the former “do not blame faeries� makes “sense,� because the authors could not actually separate what they know from what the characters would know. Which is probably why the possibility of faery rulers using Helen and Mark was never brought up.
The authors were apparently to busy somehow claiming Beatriz is anti-Downworlder and full of self-righteousness when she straight up says that she does get along with vampires, werewolves and warlocks. Simon of course never considers the possibility that she might know more than he does. He rather insults Shadowhunters. Which brings up the question I had for some time already and which I think has never been answered: why does Simon want to be a Shadowhunter if he apparently constantly thinks they are so terrible?
However, naturally, the story does not dwell on that but rather wants to press on with its screwed up tolerance message by coming with “you don’t blame all because of what one does.� Which is really fucked up because from all the books from the series I read so far there were maybe 2, maybe 3 (maybe I forgot one), faeries that weren't deceiving, back-stabbing assholes or generally presented as a danger. So "one" is a bit of an understatement. Later on Isabelle’s statements get ridiculed also; at least I have no idea what other purpose that Star Trek reference was supposed to have.
And of course it never occurs to anyone that since during the "war" faeries either attacked or stayed out of the fight, no one knows which ones to trust after maybe 1 year. But screw that, we instead got this:
He’d spent enough time in Hebrew school to know how that kind of thing ended.
I know too, genocide sanctioned by Yahwe, but this book probably means Nazis. Who of course have sooooo much in common with the Clave. Even though if they had been as incompetent as the Clave they would have never posed a danger to anyone.
Funny enough, one bit of Clave doing that could be considered competent is just used to whine some more:
It seemed hideously unfair to Simon, that the people who cared most for Helen were the ones least involved in deciding her fate.
Yeah, because they would be biased towards her and not think clearly, which is why surgeons should not operate on their relatives or juries not decide about people they know.
This story reads like being written for pre-teens and not someone on the way to adulthood. Speaking of that, the attempts to make Simon seem troubled become more ridiculous as the stories go on. Now he freaks out about not being able to deliver what Helen, a person who barely knows of him, might expect something of him.
Also apparently too many memories is not exactly his problem, even though he could have fooled me there (not that these authors seem to know how memory loss works). Just like being able to have me fooled into thinking that Alicante would not be neutral dating territory. Or fooled me into thinking that Catarina Loss would rather do hospital work than be a teacher, then again, using her is easier than creating a new warlock, right?
The authors cannot even handle the characters they have though. You see, Isabelle was taking dating advice from Jace. The rampage psychopath. So these characters here are neither Isabelle nor Simon. This is totally out of character for both. She even states dating Jace would be disgusting when in COB she said the direct opposite. Not to mention that of course this story had to bring up the great love between Jace and Clary, and confuse love with obsession. That and the idiotic Naruto and D&D references we had before.
In the end we get some token anti-racist message:
But I know your blood doesn’t define you. What defines you is the choices you make.
To which I say: Sorry, not based on what was presented in this series. In fact this very story constantly acted as if Shadowhunter behavior and culture is deeply embedded in their genes. And it is no different for vampires, werewolves and faeries, or demons for that matter, in the other books. So this story stating something like that is pretty hypocritical.

In non-faery-related stuff:
Apparently Simon now has some sort of switching back and forth between Shadowhunters being so awesome and them sucking. However, as usual the reasons for it are pretty screwed. It is stated that Shadowhunters make everything look so easy.� True, except for normal human interactions, strategy, common sense, making a society work, having realistic relationships, keeping the Accords going.... really, by any means they should be the biggest fuckups there are.
Leave it to Clare to make Magnus's coffee theft in COB look even more criminal then it already was. Or am I supposed to belief the shop he stole it from had such a magical coffeemaker as the one he made for Helen?
Also Simon was always for gun control and is already proficient with every weapon� after 1 year at the academy�. No comment

PS. The title is from a poem by Keats, that is quoted here and includes “I saw pale kings and princes too�... so... where were they here? This had no connection to the stories except maybe that both works contain faeries.

flag

Sign into ŷ to see if any of your friends have read Pale Kings and Princes.
Sign In »

Reading Progress

December 20, 2017 – Started Reading
December 20, 2017 – Shelved
December 22, 2017 –
11.0% "Maybe he wasn’t a Shadowhunter, not yet—but he wasn’t exactly a mundane anymore, either, and he was tired of pretending to be.
Get used to it. It is part of your job now!!!
If this were done by a better writer I could assume this and his fantasies about the "better, braver Simon" were part of an interesting story arc, but based on all, this is just pointless whining. After all, how would he know?"
December 22, 2017 –
12.0% " Oh, George, you bronze Scottish love god, tell me what to do with Isabelle.
Shut up Jace... I mean George. It can be difficult to tell the males of this universe apart you know."
December 22, 2017 –
14.0% "... made her sit through a Star Wars: The Clone Wars marathon and didn’t notice when she fell asleep, then I accidentally insulted her taste because how was I supposed to know she once dated some warlock with a tail and not that I wanted to know that anyway and then: Zoom in on yet another good night handshake.
Are sure Magnus's dad didn't alter Simon's entire personality after all? Or was it just Clare?"
December 22, 2017 –
16.0% "Something about a demonic beetle infestation
I have the suspicion the authors want this to be like Hogwarts or Newts suitcase but the problem is that these were "normal" schools and a conservatory. But this is an academy to train furture warriors. If they cannot keep out demons they might as well commit suicide. After all, Hogwarts didn't have vampires, swooping evils and dementors everywhere. Or is it a joke?"
December 22, 2017 –
17.0% "Mayhew believed it was his responsibility to persuade his students that faeries were shrewd, untrustworthy, coldhearted, and—not that the “lily-livered politicians� running the Clave would admit it any time soon—worthy of extinction.
You know what is really hard in these stories? Knowing whether something is Simon or the narrator. I mean how would he know that? Is he that judgmental?"
December 22, 2017 –
19.0% "... despite her bravery in the Dark War, despite her impeccable history, despite the fact that her younger siblings were orphans and had no one to care for them but an uncle they barely knew, she couldn’t be trusted in their midst. The Clave thought that even though her skin could bear the angelic runes, she wasn’t a real Shadowhunter.
Simon thought they were all idiots.

Elephant in the glashouse, Simon!"
December 22, 2017 –
19.0% "Simon felt for her, or tried to. During the final hours of the Dark War, a faerie had murdered Julie’s sister right in front of her. But that wasn’t Helen’s fault. Helen was only half-faerie, and it wasn’t the half that counted.
I do wonder whether Simon is the bigger asshole here. I get why Helen acts the way she does, but what is his excuse?"
December 22, 2017 –
21.0% "But it didn’t stop them from breaking the rules where they thought they could get away with it...
Without thinking, he sucked the blood from a small wound—and, with it, took in a bit of the juice. Drinking something in Faerie bound him to the Queen’s whim...
The Academy teachers ....always been rather clever... fey were more so. What passed as one day ...lasted for years.

So both sides are assholes an idiots."
December 22, 2017 –
22.0% "So Helen's conception was basically due to rape. Or is this "spell does not count" as rape? After all, this isn't just pheromones or so, he is under a spell and the same faerie tortured her uncle at the same time. And according to this, he was not just whipped but burned alive several times. How exactly are you supposed not to feel harsh towards faeries after that. This is pretty sick shit."
December 22, 2017 –
26.0% ". But I’m assured that Andrew and Eleanor Blackthorn were the best of Shadowhunters. So they would have been smart enough to know, deep down, that we could never truly be trusted.
Then why keep them to begin with?
And based on what was shown in prior books I doubt the preferred faerie weapon is "human love", I would say it is Shadowhunter idiocy."
December 22, 2017 –
26.0% "They make it look so easy, Simon thought in wonder. But then, that was the thing about Shadowhunters—they made everything look so easy.
Except for normal human interactions, strategy, common sense, making a society work, having realistic relationships, keeping the Accords going.... really, by any means they should be the biggest fuckups there are."
December 22, 2017 –
27.0% "“I think a lot of things aren’t fun,� Julie said coldly. “I think watching your sister get sliced in half isn’t so fun, either. So you’ll excuse me if I don’t care much about this halfling thing or her so-called feelings.� Her voice shook on the last word, and very abruptly she slid out from under Jon’s arm and raced off down the hallway.
Gee, wonder why I can't sympathize with Simon."
December 22, 2017 –
28.0% "Simon snorted. “Yeah, because the Clave is always right.�
“Her brother rides with the Wild Hunt,� Beatriz argued. “How much more faerie can you get?�
“That’s not his fault,� Simon protested. Clary had told him the whole story of Mark Blackthorn’s capture.

Not only are there the Accords but who says that the fey won't use Helen or Mark for their purposes. After all, such magic is possible here."
December 22, 2017 –
29.0% "I’m not anti-Downworlder,� Beatriz insisted, full of self-righteousness.
No, she is actually right, if she does get along with vampires, werewolves and warlocks.
Don’t you think it’s possible they know a little more about it than you do?�
Simon rolled his eyes. “Spoken like a true Shadowhunter.

Spoken like someone who knows more than you, Simon the idiot!!!!"
December 22, 2017 –
29.0% "Beatriz gave him an odd look. “Simon—do you realize that you almost always say ‘Shadowhunter� like it’s an insult?�
That stopped him. Beatriz rarely spoke to anyone sharply like that, especially not him. “I . . .�
“If you think it’s so terrible, being a Shadowhunter, I don’t know what you’re doing here.�

I had the excact same thoughts. Why is he there to begin with? Why does he want to be a Shadowhunter?"
December 22, 2017 –
31.0% "“Of course I do,� George said. “You don’t fence off a whole herd just because one sheep’s nibbling at the wrong grass, right?�
ONE??? From all the books from the series I read so far there were maybe 2, maybe 3 (maybe I forgot one) faeries who weren't lying, back stabbing assholes or generally presented as a danger. So "One" is a bit of an understatement."
December 22, 2017 –
31.0% "as if, because some faeries had betrayed the Shadowhunters, all Faeries were guilty, now and forevermore.
Or maybe, since during the "war" faeries either attacked or stayed out of the fight, no one knows which ones to trust after maybe 1 year.

He’d spent enough time in Hebrew school to know how that kind of thing ended.
Yeah, genocide sanctioned by Yahwe, ups... he means Nazis."
December 22, 2017 –
32.0% "Catarina still insisted on calling him Daylighter. According to her, once a Downworlder, always, in some tiny, subconscious, embedded-in-the-soul part, a Downworlder.
Sounds like she is no different than the Clave.

George, who’d been a bit nervous around Catarina ever since she had, very briefly, turned him into a sheep
Warcraft reference?"
December 22, 2017 –
34.0% "It seemed hideously unfair to Simon, that the people who cared most for Helen were the ones least involved in deciding her fate.
Yeah, because they would be biased towards her and not think clearly, which is why surgeons should not operate on their relatives or juries not decide about people they know.
This story reads like being written for pre-teens and not someone on the way to adulthood."
December 22, 2017 –
34.0% "t was his least favorite thing, meeting someone he’d known in his before life, as he’d come to think of it. There was always the fear they would expect something of him he couldn’t deliver, or assume he knew something he’d forgotten.
Like what? He is meeting Hellen, a person he knows he barely met. These attempts to make Simon seem troubled become more ridiculous as the stories go on."
December 22, 2017 –
37.0% "“Magnus magicked me up a nonelectric coffeemaker,� Helen said, grinning. “Kind of a parting gift before we left for Wrangel Island. Now I can’t live without it.�
Leave it to Clare to make Magnus's coffee theft in COB look even more criminal then it already was. Or am I supposed to belief the shop he stole it from had such a coffeemaker?"
December 22, 2017 –
40.0% "She laughed bitterly. “For one day and one night, to be married.�
Why do I have the feeling that this is some dumb attempt to be poetic?

I know I’ve developed a habit of ambushing you at school.
This was true. Isabelle had popped up more than once when he’d least expected her. Every time she showed up on campus

I remember only two."
December 22, 2017 –
45.0% "“Too many memories is not exactly my problem.�
Really? Could have fooled me there.
And you could have fooled me in thinking that Alicante would not be neutral dating territory. Or fooled me into thinking that Catarina Loss would rather do hospital work than be a teacher, then again, using her is easier than creating a new warlock, right?"
December 22, 2017 –
45.0% "animals in Idris behaved differently from how they did back home, almost as if they could understand what their humans wanted and, if you asked nicely enough, were willing to deliver
When did that became part of Idris? It was never mentioned before, not even the Codex...oh right, someone tries to be "magical" here by making this up as they go along."
December 22, 2017 –
49.0% "So Simon is already "proficient with every weapon she’d named?" And apparently back home he was for gun control and had many rants about it? Well that was never even hinted at before. And if Clary is as passionate about her sword as Isabelle is about her whip, maybe there is something in the genes.
And why does the seller in Idris wear "spiky Mohawk and a faded Arcade Fire T-shirt"?"
December 22, 2017 –
54.0% "Simon had always considered himself a man of words, as opposed to a man of deeds...His mother liked to say he could talk her into almost anything.
Really? Are we sure, this is the same Simon from TMI?
And I am not sure what the "trying to defend J. J. Abrams to a hard-core Trekkie: hopeless" is supposed to to with Isabelle's statements about why so many Shadowhunters don't trust faeries except for ridicule?"
December 22, 2017 –
59.0% " “This stupid weapons-shopping idea. Last time I take dating advice from Jace.�
Ok, this is not Isabelle and that is not Simon. This is totally OOC for both. She even states dating Jace would be disgusting when in COB she said the direct opposite. Not to mention that of course this story had to bring up the great love between Jace and Clary. That and the idiotic Naruto and D&D reference."
December 22, 2017 –
62.0% "Like I’m remembering two different things at the same time. Sometimes one seems more real, sometimes the other does. Sometimes everything is blurry.
That is not how memory loss works. Not to mention that he remembers Jordan but not Isabelle. And Isabelle's "of course you remember Clary" is idiotic as well as she knows they were best friends. Plus Clary actually put in some effort here."
December 22, 2017 –
72.0% "Helen just exploded in front of Simon with her emotional baggage... and Magnus telling private stuff to strangers in COB was considered dumb. Also "If you really loved Aline, you would do everything you can to hold on to her" is confusing obsession with love.
And the title is from a poem by Keats, that is quoted here and includes I saw pale kings and princes too... so... where were they here?"
December 22, 2017 –
74.0% "But I know your blood doesn’t define you. What defines you is the choices you make.
Sorry, not based on what was presented in this series.But if this weren't enough, we get some narrator story that basically says that everything Helen knew about her mother was wrong, that some other faerie tortured her uncle and she truly loved her father. But you know "lie to protect him."
BS!!!!!"
December 22, 2017 –
75.0% "And so the lady kept her boy close to her side, kept this beautiful creature who swore his fealty to her, and when her sister lay claim to the other, the lady let him be taken away, for he was nothing.
Is this supposed to endear her to us?
The lady set the useless brother free and allowed him to believe he had freed himself.
Wow...."
December 22, 2017 –
79.0% "We already had the stuff with Helen so wasn't that enough advertisement for Dark Artifices? Apparently not."
January 1, 2018 – Shelved as: fantasy
January 1, 2018 – Shelved as: don-t-read-it
January 1, 2018 – Finished Reading

No comments have been added yet.