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Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents
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I agree with the central thesis of the book, but I feel the author failed to sufficiently prove it. Perhaps more importantly, I feel that she was completely unable to prove the necessity of her thesis.
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1. Wrong lens
She starts right off by emphasizing that it's not racism on which USA is founded, but casteism... based solely on race. She then refutes her own point by talking almost exclusively about examples of racism from white people towards black people. There was very little mention of other castes in the US (Latinos, Native Americans, middle Eastern/South Asian, etc), except as they relate to either the white or black caste. Also, she only uses two caste systems for comparison: India (which seems to be the archetypal caste system) and Nazi Germany (which... doesn't). Surely there are other disadvantaged groups of people elsewhere in the world she could have used for more depth? Uigher Muslims immediately spring to mind.
2. Too many anecdotes
The thing that really got me though is that the book relies so heavily on anecdotes. The tales given are terrible, stomach-churning stuff, but they don't add up to a bigger picture. Her personal anecdotes, while unjust, were even less impactful in demonstrating her thesis. I would have liked more depth or context on the concepts she was trying to illustrate.
3. Ok... so what?
"casteism", "racism"... the distinction feels unimportant by the end of the book since they're effectively describing the same thing. By the end I failed to see why reframing everything in terms of caste is more beneficial to understanding and hopefully fixing the inequalities rife in society.
Overall I would not recommend this book, although the concept is interesting and one I would consider exploring further.
Comments:
1. Wrong lens
She starts right off by emphasizing that it's not racism on which USA is founded, but casteism... based solely on race. She then refutes her own point by talking almost exclusively about examples of racism from white people towards black people. There was very little mention of other castes in the US (Latinos, Native Americans, middle Eastern/South Asian, etc), except as they relate to either the white or black caste. Also, she only uses two caste systems for comparison: India (which seems to be the archetypal caste system) and Nazi Germany (which... doesn't). Surely there are other disadvantaged groups of people elsewhere in the world she could have used for more depth? Uigher Muslims immediately spring to mind.
2. Too many anecdotes
The thing that really got me though is that the book relies so heavily on anecdotes. The tales given are terrible, stomach-churning stuff, but they don't add up to a bigger picture. Her personal anecdotes, while unjust, were even less impactful in demonstrating her thesis. I would have liked more depth or context on the concepts she was trying to illustrate.
3. Ok... so what?
"casteism", "racism"... the distinction feels unimportant by the end of the book since they're effectively describing the same thing. By the end I failed to see why reframing everything in terms of caste is more beneficial to understanding and hopefully fixing the inequalities rife in society.
Overall I would not recommend this book, although the concept is interesting and one I would consider exploring further.
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She started to raise so many points that I wanted her to explore further. She started talking about how poor white are the most insecure about their status so they are the most likely to see themselves as "above" the lower castes--so that there's at least someone they can be "better than." I found that extremely interesting. I've heard the argument before that the "elite" in the past intentionally pitted poor whites against black people in order to maintain their own power, and I thought maybe she was going somewhere with that, but then she just went to an unrelated anecdote from the 1940s. I would think that would help her thesis--elites intentionally using a caste structure to stay in power to the detriment of others in the "upper caste," but she didn't go there.
Some of her stories had me scratching my head, like the one where three white women are discussing their ancestry. Apparently, Nordic is the "best" white you can be, followed by Anglo Saxon. Somewhere in the middle is Celtic and Central European, and then the bottom is formed by Eastern European and Southern European. Well, that's the first I've heard of any of that. For the most part, other than recent immigrants, the only people I know who know their ancestry have taken DNA tests, so I really don't see how there's a hierarchy there at all. Maybe it's more of an "upper class white" thing?
I also really wanted to see where the middle castes fit in. She discussed it a bit to say that they try to imitate the higher caste in order to distance themselves from the lowest caste. She gave some examples, like a South American claiming a blonde-hair, blue-eyed relative. But surely there are better examples of brown immigrants imitating whites than that? Also, she barely mentioned Native Americans, but put them in the middle caste. I think arguments could be made (I'm not personally making them, just observing that they could be) that Native Americans could be placed in the lower caste with African Americans. They weren't enslaved on the same scale, but is mass genocide really better?
She raised a lot of good points about unconscious bias and systemic racism (or casteism, I suppose), but I was left with "now what?" What difference does it make if we change the framework from racism to casteism?

I wonder does she ever deal with the term "racism" as a barrier to discussion of bigotry and bias? I find sometimes that people simply cannot get past the term, they cannot see their own bias and simply go nuts when their prejudice is labeled racism. That would be one reason to approach it as caste instead. It should allow some people who cannot otherwise look at these issues, to see them from a new perspective.