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Prince Caspian by C.S. Lewis
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bookshelves: fantasy-and-some-sci-fi, fer-teenagers-kids-and-younguns, 2008
Read 4 times. Last read January 1, 1990.

November 19, 2008. I've read these books a zillion and one times and surely I shall read them a zillion more. Because every single time, I realize new truths and find more honor in their pages.

Today, I've read a passage that I find disturbing and quite out of character for CS Lewis:

p.72 "Shall we go farther up for you, up to the crags? There's an Ogre or two and a Hag that we could introduce you to, up there." "Certainly not," said Caspian. "I should think not, indeed," said Trufflehunter. "We want none of that sort on our side."

Seems a bit racist, if you ask me. It really makes me wonder exactly what CS Lewis is getting at here. It's totally the opposite of what happens in The Last Battle when Aslan sorts the good guys from the bad guys by whether they're good oir evil in their hearts. So anyway, it seems weird and I don't like it. The Hag does ends up being a bad guy in the end, but still... I dunno.

I'll keep reading and blame the racism on the 1950s for now.

Oh yeah, as a side note, whenever I read British literature, I talk to myself in a British accent and rhythm for a while afterward. It's so dorky!!!

Later...
I've read a bit more now. The race issue didn't come up again.

The battle scenes are not the same as you might see these days. There's something more frank and quick about them. Lewis doesn't explain every little move and maneuver, so in fact, if you're reading too fast, you might even miss a fight going on. Here's an example of a battle overview without much in the way of specifics:
P. 187
But the new bout went well. Peter now seemed to be able to make some use of his shield, and he certainly made good use of his feet. He was almost playing Tig with Miraz now, keeping out of range shifting his ground, making the enemy work.

I think if this book had been written today by a different author, it might be about 500 pages of battle scenes. I'm glad its not. Instead, the book is more about people standing on the side of good. Here's a passage that I just love which describes Edmund who may be a boy, but is also a king:
P.174An hour later two great lords in the army of Miraz, the Lord Glozelle and the Lord Sopespian, strolling along their lines and picking their teeth after breakfast, looked up and saw coming down to them from the wood the Centaur and Giant Wembleweather, whom they had seen before in battle, and between them a figure they could not recognise. Nor indeed would the other boys at Edmund's school have recognised him if they could have seen him at that moment. For Aslan had breathed on him at their meeting and a kind of greatness hung about him.

Ahhhhh... See? For Narnia and the North!


Also, you Tolkien fans will recognize the onslaught of trees which comes in at the end of the battle--Two Towers--and the river emerging (with the help of Bacchus and his grapevines) to take out the bridge and thwart the enemy in its path--Fellowship. Who came up with it first, I wonder... :)



Later still...
As I finish reading this lovely little novel, allow me to drop off to sleep with feet towards the fire and good friends on either side... Thank you, Mr. Lewis. I have had a time.
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Valerie This makes me want to read them for the zillionth time, too.


Jackie "the Librarian" Now I want to roast apples over a fire in the ruins of a castle. And explore the castle with my torch afterwards.
Oh, how that puzzled me as a kid. Torches? They had torches in their pockets?


message 3: by Kim (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kim Prince Caspian is hawt


message 4: by Mary (new)

Mary You know, this whole book is full of allegories, where a character's outward appearance is symbolic of its heart. That is possibly why Caspian would already know those creatures do not hold to true Narnian ideals. Just a thought.


message 5: by Mark (last edited Feb 22, 2010 09:22PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Mark The torch mentioned was a flashlight. I do remember them talking about the batteries running low.

I'm glad the battles weren't drawn out as well.

About the racism, you should note that an author of a book does not have to be racist to have racist characters. I'm not saying C. S. Lewis is or is not racist, but I am saying that his characters can have different beliefs, feelings and logic than he does. I don't believe everything in the book is meant to be an analogy or allegory in the sense you think. I think he was just showing the ignorance of these animals by writing that, and/or their fear for those who had once done them ill. Fear can help more ignorant types to overgeneralize sometimes and it seems plain that Lewis understood this, even if but subconsciously.

Having said all that, I don't mean to argue for or against him being racist, but I do mean to argue against this being proof of it.

I certainly wouldn't want to be judged by what my characters believe; I'm too abstract to stand for that.


Melissa Pop This book is life changing


James Amanda, this review is wrong, wrong, wrong. You are accusing Lewis of being racist on account of ogres and hags—evil entities? Why, you may as well have said that he was a misogynist because he made it clear that summoning Jadis was a bad idea!

To counter your accusation of racism with a point you did not address, I will now present to you the black dwarfs and the red dwarfs; it is implied in "Caspian" that the black dwarfs are usually bad, whilst the red dwarfs are usually good. The answer to this lies in the Svartálfar of Norse mythology: the line betwixt these "black elves" and dwarfs is very indistinguishable at best, as they are described as being short and deformed, living in darkness. An associated entity to the Svartálfar is the mara, or nightmare.

So back to your original statement, I am not aware of any märchen in which a good hag or a good ogre ever existed. And it makes sense that Lewis's black dwarfs (a very nice reconciliation of the Svartálfar) would associate with other wicked mythic entities—it is not racist to not want an ogre or hag to help you in the cause of good when they do not even possess the capacity for good.

In short, Mr. C.S. Lewis was not racist—Jack just had a good handle on mythology.


message 8: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl Foggo Amanda, on the subject of Tolkien and Lewis - Tolkien read The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings to Lewis (and others of their group of friends - called themselves The Inklings) as he was writing them. Lewis started writing the Narnia series after LOTR. They were great friends and Lewis loved LOTR. Tolkien said he's not sure he would have been able to finish it without Lewis's encouragement. So where you see parallels between the books - Tolkien was first:) Although a lot of those themes were based on mythologies with which both writers were familiar.


Heidi Cheryl, they read each others books actually and gave each other notes and opinions. They had a mutual admiration for each other. I am glad you answered the question Amanda posed and am happy to elaborate a bit more on the subject.


Frances I agree with the former comments on Tolkien and Lewis (possibly the greatest bromance of all time) they were close. I believe Tolkien came first but they worked on the books together so you can find a lot of similarities. It is also true about the mythology. It isn't racist it's specieist. But the difference is that these species of magical creature are actually creatures of evil. Also The dwarf comment made me pretty happy. Like the Inklings I am a HUGE fan of Norse Myth (unlike them I don't speak icelandic. They sat around and had conversations in the language of their favorite myths! And I thought I was a nerd!)


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