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Dubliners by James Joyce
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My first Joyce. The right choice. A collection of stories that some may describe as beautiful, others as boring, maybe even brilliant, but that I want to describe as “apt�. Dublin is richer, I am sure, due to the fact that it has Dubliners to represent it. From the first story, The Sisters, to the last, The Dead, each story is apt � it is perfectly appropriate, perfectly suitable and fitting for the occasion which it describes. Not a word is out of place. No character does or says anything that is alarming. There are many pieces of praise and criticism that are widely available, all concerning themselves with the careful dissection of this collection, down to a word-by-word level. Lots of these pieces mention the 4-way split in overarching themes for these stories: childhood, adolescence, maturity, and public life. With these 4 pieces, you dive into Dublin, seeing the interaction of trials and tribulations across a variety of ages. Class, caste, gender, societal issues, all apparent in a manner that does not take away from the main point of any story.

With Dubliners, I got a little bit of everything. Some stories were interesting to witness from a third-party perspective (I wonder if saying that is arbitrary, seeing as most stories are experienced as such). For instance, An Encounter, where two boys skip out on school for a day, seeing what life brings them. They come across a strange, weird, shady character� an older gentleman that is weirdly obsessed with “beating� little boys. Yeah� I got as creeped out as the main character of this story. Some of the tales were boring. Ivy Day in the Committee Room, a story about a collection of people canvassing in preparation for the mayoral elections, had lots of elements about Irish nationalism and independence. I am sure it would have meant much more to someone for whom these issues are a matter of pride and blood. Where this collection was at its strongest, however, was when it was conveying the pathos of everyday life � this is a phenomenon that is similar across nations, time, and class structure. Counterparts, a story that brings to a sharp focus the problem(s) of alcoholism, does much more than just present a set of stereotypes about the Irish. It characterizes the ailment in a person, Farrington, who is not going about life willy-nilly. He is trying, he really is. You find yourself caring for his life, holding a moment of silence for his troubles, and accepting his massive flaws as a human. A Painful Case, a story that shows the depth of loneliness, the abyss that becomes a leech to certain people’s personalities, as they become increasingly unable to shake off the narcissism surrounding solitude in favour of a genuine human connection. And finally, who can read Dubliners without commenting on The Dead? The climax of the collection, a story that highlights the relativity of all of our lesser or greater concerns in relation to mortality. If you read nothing else but one story from this book, let it be this.

I have learned more about Dublin and the Irish with this one book than I may ever have done. Any city would be lucky to have such a candid encyclopedia to its name.
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Started Reading
July 1, 2021 – Shelved
July 1, 2021 – Shelved as: origin-irish
July 1, 2021 – Finished Reading
December 31, 2021 – Shelved as: author-joyce
July 12, 2022 – Shelved as: type-short-stories

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message 1: by Regina (new)

Regina Lovely review, Alan. Or should I say apt?


Matthew Ted I adore that final line, Alan. I might read this one again this year to see if my views have changed now I'm a solidified Joyce-fan. (Which also makes me a bastard, right?)


Alan Regina wrote: "Lovely review, Alan. Or should I say apt?"

Thanks Regina - apt is a high compliment for sure.


Alan Matthew Ted wrote: "I adore that final line, Alan. I might read this one again this year to see if my views have changed now I'm a solidified Joyce-fan. (Which also makes me a bastard, right?)"

Thanks Ted. You and I are both bastards for many reasons, but appreciating Joyce isn't one of them. Hope the revisit is smooth.


Adina (notifications back, log out, clear cache) Thanks for liking my review even though we clearly disagree on this book. :))


Alan Adina wrote: "Thanks for liking my review even though we clearly disagree on this book. :))"

Haha, come now Adina, that's the reason I am on this platform - discussion, not mindless proselytizing and partisan celebration. I still appreciated your review.


message 7: by Wes (new) - rated it 4 stars

Wes Allen Joyce is probably my favorite author, though Proust and Arno Schmidt are up there, too. Ulysses ought to be high on your list of novels, Alan! I'm sure you'd love it.


Alan Wes wrote: "Joyce is probably my favorite author, though Proust and Arno Schmidt are up there, too. Ulysses ought to be high on your list of novels, Alan! I'm sure you'd love it."

I think I will as well Wes! Currently, I am in the mental preparation phase. Taking them in chronologically, so I will pick up the next one soon, Ulysses should be this year for sure.


message 9: by Ned (new) - added it

Ned Just superb Alan! Travel the streets of Dublin if you can, it is the most walkable, authentic and wonderful cities I’ve encountered.


message 10: by Wes (new) - rated it 4 stars

Wes Allen Probably a wiser approach than I took. My journey with Joyce began at the end with the Wake, which is truly a beast of a book.


message 11: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Ned wrote: "Just superb Alan! Travel the streets of Dublin if you can, it is the most walkable, authentic and wonderful cities I’ve encountered."

Thanks Ned! It's part of the plan, I can assure you.


message 12: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Wes wrote: "Probably a wiser approach than I took. My journey with Joyce began at the end with the Wake, which is truly a beast of a book."

What an unbelievable beginning - you like a challenge, it seems!


message 13: by J. Sebastian (new) - added it

J. Sebastian And after all that, there'll be Finnegan's Wake to attend. Wish I could catch up to you, Alan! 🙃


message 14: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan J. Sebastian wrote: "And after all that, there'll be Finnegan's Wake to attend. Wish I could catch up to you, Alan! 🙃"

There will be a long, long pause before that one, don't you worry! Should give you plenty of time.


message 15: by W.D. (new) - rated it 5 stars

W.D. Clarke Great to make your acquaintance, sir! Might I be so bold as to suggest that you take a breather before commencing the Portrait with a viewing of the late John Huston's masterful adaptation of "The Dead"!?


message 16: by Kenny (new) - added it

Kenny Outstanding review. You did indeed make the right choice by making Dubliners your first Joyce read. Follow it up in this order:
2. A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
3. Ulysses
4. Finnegans Wake

After Ulysses you may want to read Re Joyce by Anthony Burgess

I'm currently reading Finnegans Wake, and I am astounded once more by Joyce's brilliance.


Garima Excellent review Alan. I too, recently read this book (and exploring Joyce) and cannot agree more with you. The short stories are so well written and the characters so beautifully explored, which leaves the reader in awe of his genius. Loved all the stories (The Dead and the Painful case specially) which you have mentioned in your review, and would only like to add the longing expressed in 'Araby' and 'Eveline'; along with the frustration and loneliness beautifully crafted in 'A little Cloud'. The way he weaves his tales, is no short of magic.
Thank you for this delightful review.


message 18: by J. Sebastian (new) - added it

J. Sebastian Thanks to all for the good comments and tips about taking Joyce in proper order. I had read Dubliners in college, but had not enjoyed it so much then. I'm looking forward to trying it again, after this review and all of the comments here.


message 19: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan W.D. wrote: "Great to make your acquaintance, sir! Might I be so bold as to suggest that you take a breather before commencing the Portrait with a viewing of the late John Huston's masterful adaptation of "The ..."

Likewise! I was vaguely aware of the film, but I think I need to look further into it. Thanks for the tip.


message 20: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Kenny wrote: "Outstanding review. You did indeed make the right choice by making Dubliners your first Joyce read. Follow it up in this order:
2. A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
3. Ulysses
4. Finnegans Wa..."


Cheers, thanks Kenny. That is the order I had set, so I hope it goes well. Good on you for tackling the Wake.


message 21: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Garima wrote: "Excellent review Alan. I too, recently read this book (and exploring Joyce) and cannot agree more with you. The short stories are so well written and the characters so beautifully explored, which l..."

Thank you Garima. The Dead and A Painful Case were especially poignant for me as well. In a way, I would love to break down the emotions explored in all of the stories - after all, there aren't that many in the collection. But alas, the review can only be so long (in my mind, anyway). Araby and Eveline were absolutely delightful. Thanks for your comment!


message 22: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan J. Sebastian wrote: "Thanks to all for the good comments and tips about taking Joyce in proper order. I had read Dubliners in college, but had not enjoyed it so much then. I'm looking forward to trying it again, after ..."

We are both hopping on that Wagon, Sebastian! Let's catch up.


message 23: by Avishek (new)

Avishek Ghosh A friend of mine, who has done her PhD on Joyce and visited Dublin several times during her thesis days, once mentioned that reading Dubliner adds a different layer of experience if you're familiar with the city. That way, the text becomes more vivid.

I argued back that the same reason is applicable for any book on any city, and I gave the example of The Calcutta Chromosome as I currently live in Calcutta. To this, she responded that my comparison wasn't even close as Dubliner presented more of a psychosomatic experience of Dublin culture than a descriptive one.

She stressed that to relish in the words of Dubliner; one needs to know the city up close and personal... so I didn't pick it up. In fact, I didn't pick up any of Joyce's works... due to the fear that I may not understand it and putting down such classics half-read would be an insult to such books.


message 24: by Alan (last edited Jul 04, 2021 08:53AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Avishek wrote: "A friend of mine, who has done her PhD on Joyce and visited Dublin several times during her thesis days, once mentioned that reading Dubliner adds a different layer of experience if you're familiar..."

Thanks for your comment Avishek. I think there is most likely more than a grain of truth in what your friend said about the book. While I understand the diffidence with which you treat Joyce's work, I can't help but think that you are missing out on the experience of reading in general. Great works should be treated with respect, and there should be a sense of awe when approaching them. But at the same time, one needs to have a sense that this is, in the end, "just" a book (while simultaneously being much more than that). Joyce is another author among a sea of greats after all. If we were to not pick up Tolstoy, Dickens, or Balzac for fear of missing out on a "central" experience of being Russian, English, or French, respectively, then our lives would be that much more bleak. Think of the sheer number of works that would be excluded from our experience.

I would say that you should be comforted that, at their core, the books or the memory of the authors (whatever those mean to you) won’t be “insulted� by you deciding that you are not at the right stage in your life to approach a book. If I were to detail the number of books I have picked up and put down as a result of being on a different wavelength, we would be here all day. Life is too short.

I also can’t help but be somewhat confused by the rather arbitrary duality that your friend introduced for her argument supporting Dubliners - why does “psychosomatic� have to be on the opposite end of the spectrum as “descriptive�? I suppose that doesn’t feel like a natural opposition to me.


message 25: by J. Sebastian (new) - added it

J. Sebastian Avishek wrote: "A friend of mine, who has done her PhD on Joyce and visited Dublin several times during her thesis days, once mentioned that reading Dubliner adds a different layer of experience if you're familiar..."

Of course a real Dubliner will see things in Joyce that a foreigner will not pick up, and I am certain that I am missing a certain je ne sais quoi when I read a Russian novel in an English translation, and besides, Dublin is no longer what it was in the days of Joyce, so even your friend can't really capture that, except insofar as intense study and imagination may enable one to capture it.

Every book is different depending on the different subjective experience of the reader, but they are still great books. One can understand and appreciate Tolkien's Lord of the Rings more deeply, perhaps if one knows Elvish, but should that keep you from reading the novel? Of course not. 🙂


message 26: by Avishek (new)

Avishek Ghosh Alan wrote: "Avishek wrote: "A friend of mine, who has done her PhD on Joyce and visited Dublin several times during her thesis days, once mentioned that reading Dubliner adds a different layer of experience if..."

I guess you're right, and it's not necessary that we would associate ourselves or develop a spiritual connection with any great work of art, be it books, music, movies or any other form at the first shot. Having said that, I think the reason I commented was probably because of my guilt. I've been delaying Joyce for quite some time now,... procrastinating with the excuse that I'm not ready for it, that I need to know and understand more... and I completely agree with you that we must pick these books to start the journey or we'll have too many regrets. I watched Tarkovsky's Stalker when I thought I wasn't ready for it. I didn't understand the idea behind it. Fast forward a couple of years, that movie became the 2nd most important movie of my life... so yeah, we need to engage with the art to let them transform our lives.

My friend wanted to say, at least what I think she meant to say, that to grasp something to a certain extent (to the point of enjoying it), one has to have a certain amount of associability or inter-contextuality with the subject matter. I think she meant that this extra dimension of the associability with space (the city) makes the experience of reading such books more immersive. Space itself has a message... a story to tell. This is where psychosomatic experience comes into place, while not being the polar opposite to "descriptive" but being a notch deeper.

It's not just the words that describe the ambience. When we know about a place personally, our associative memory helps build the ambience when we get the hint of the description of the place. It happens to me a lot, especially my memory of my past city Melbourne. Every time I listen to a piece of music that I used to listen to when I was staying in Melbourne, it reminds me of the city and not just how the city and the streets looked but how they felt back then... the smell of the coffee, the bright sun, the heavy rain, the chill in the air during winter. All these experiences can have representative electrical impulses running through the synapses and dendrites of my brain; however, I cannot linguistically encode them with such detail... that's why I guess she said psychosomatic.


message 27: by J. Sebastian (new) - added it

J. Sebastian Avishek wrote: "Space itself has a message... a story to tell. This is where psychosomatic experience comes into place, while not being the polar opposite to "descriptive" but being a notch deeper."

This is true. I would recommend if you want to learn more about that a book called The Poetics of Space, by Gaston Bachelard. It's not an easy read at all, and has a lot of psychology, but it is wonderfully interesting.

I also confess, Avishek. That I did not read Tolkien's Lord of the Rings until I had learned enough Quenya to get more out of the experience. 🙂


message 28: by Mark (last edited Jul 06, 2021 10:41AM) (new) - added it

Mark André Excellent review. Interesting discussion. Great book. Personally, I’m not sure how much location has to do with my reading of the stories. I think the time frame, very early 20th century, is equally important. I think the underlying theme of the original fourteen stories � The Dead, was written later � is superstition. The boy says at the beginning of The Sisters, “I knew that two candles must be set at the head of a corpse.� The key word being must. While Mr Kernan, in Grace declares defiantly, “No candles. I bar the magic-lantern business.� I like best the triptych Counterparts, Clay and A Painful Case with A Little Cloud as sort of an introduction.


message 29: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Avishek wrote: "Alan wrote: "Avishek wrote: "A friend of mine, who has done her PhD on Joyce and visited Dublin several times during her thesis days, once mentioned that reading Dubliner adds a different layer of ..."

Cheers Avishek, thank you for clarifying. Makes sense regarding the first part and your internal feelings about the book. I suppose the word "psychosomatic" itself stood out to me as bizarre, and that only because I am a student of psychology. Maybe something touching on the aura or atmosphere of the words beyond what they literally represent, and I can see what your friend is talking about.


message 30: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Mark wrote: "Excellent review. Interesting discussion. Great book. Personally, I’m not sure how much location has to do with my reading of the stories. I think the time frame, very early 20th century, is equall..."

Thanks Mark, appreciate that. Several days on, I find myself constantly thinking about Counterparts and A Painful Case, though not so much The Dead, which surprises me, as I thought it was the most masterfully done.


message 31: by Mark (new) - added it

Mark André Your welcome. I don’t even read The Dead any more when I re-read the book. I think it fits better with Exiles. - )


message 32: by Marci (new) - added it

Marci carol I concur that reading about a place before visiting it makes it much more fascinating! I had a surreal experience visiting Oxford England. I’ve taken courses on Irish literature and found it very interesting. I like the collective stories by different authors in the same genre.


message 33: by Barbara (new)

Barbara I am on a short story kick presently. Dubliners is an important book missing from my reading history. I certainly will add it after reading your fine review, Alan.


message 34: by J. Sebastian (new) - added it

J. Sebastian Marci wrote: "I concur that reading about a place before visiting it makes it much more fascinating! I had a surreal experience visiting Oxford England. I’ve taken courses on Irish literature and found it very i..."

Great point, Marci. And we should also add that reading the books in the actual places of their settings is a wonderful thing to do.


message 35: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Marci wrote: "I concur that reading about a place before visiting it makes it much more fascinating! I had a surreal experience visiting Oxford England. I’ve taken courses on Irish literature and found it very i..."

I would love to read Joyce in Ireland, Marci! Maybe while drinking a good old pint of Guinness.


message 36: by Alan (new) - rated it 4 stars

Alan Barbara wrote: "I am on a short story kick presently. Dubliners is an important book missing from my reading history. I certainly will add it after reading your fine review, Alan."

Thank you Barbara. Hope you are enjoying the short story kick, I have been thinking about Dorothy Parker and William Trevor myself.


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