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Oct 12, 2022
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DNF at 60% but I skipped around until the end. Dark academia is hot right now, and Babel was supposed to be THE dark academia novel of the year. However, I absolutely despised Babel, and here's why...
RANT INCOMING:
What a boring, mean-spirited book. It had little charm and came from a place of hate. And can this author write about anything other than one person starting a revolutionary war? Even her dark academia novel ends up going in the same direction as her Poppy War trilogy. Sis hasn't gotten over her Hunger Games phase, it seems.
This book is SO dull. The only creative aspect was how the author managed to find different ways to say the same thing on every page: white people suck and they're evil. By the billionth time, a white person came along to crap on the main characters or say something stupid, I was like, 'Okay, we get it: whitey = evil.'
And the footnotes were annoying and useless. They didn't add anything to the story, and you could predict exactly what they were going to say before you even read them because 90% of them were just there to tear down every aspect of British history and culture. They'd pop in every now and then to tell you that some random thing was 'problematic.' No shit, Sherlock. Everything from 200 years ago (Sherlock Holmes included) is problematic. That's just history for you.
The characters:

Quick note: I remember seeing this fan art when Kuang announced on Twitter that she was writing a dark academia novel a couple of years back. It got me so excited to read this book, and I'm really disappointed that I ended up not liking it.
These are some of the most boring, one-dimensional characters I've read about in a while.
Robin - The author legit forgot to give Robin a personality. His defining trait was basically just noticing and reacting to racism.
Victoire - She was a perfect human with a flawless personality, which made her annoying. If she ever got mad at someone, the story would bend over backward to make her point of view justified.
Ramy - Ramy's defining trait was that he hates British people and their culture with every fiber of his being, but gets really upset when someone questions why he chose to study in Britain. The author was trying to do something with the hypocrisy of this, but because she was so hell-bent on portraying whites as evil and everyone else as good she missed the mark.
And then there's Letty, the blonde-haired white girl...
Letty breathes
Everyone in her friend group: 'Will this fcking btch ever shut up?'
Also...
Robin kills someone
The gang: Let's keep it a secret.
Letty: Hey... is this really the right thing to do?
The gang: I knew this btch was going to betray us at some point.
Letty was the author's favorite punching bag and outlet for all her hatred of white people. It was weird because Letty was created to be bullied and ostracized by the others. Was I supposed to enjoy this dynamic? There were scenes where the other three couldn't wait for Letty to leave the room so they could talk freely among themselves. It took all of their efforts to tolerate Letty being in their presence.
At one point Robin says that he feels sorry for Letty and describes her as the innocent one in the group. I thought the author was giving her favorite chew toy a break. But actually, this whole section was about how Letty's innocence came from her ignorance. She could never understand the others or truly experience things alongside them, and her attempts at caring and trying to connect with them were portrayed as annoying. When she grew impatient with their bad moods, it was supposed to be like a 'gotcha' moment, a confirmation that she's not one of them. Maybe this is a dig at white allies and the suggestion is that they'll always benefit from white culture. Even if they think they're being helpful, they're still part of the problem and will always be. See what I mean about this book being mean-spirited? lol
The cherry on top of this crap sundae was Letty's inevitable character arc. It turns out that Letty had a huge crush on Ramy, but Ramy could barely tolerate her presence. Because she couldn't have him, her entitled, sociopathic white rage finally came out for everyone to see. She betrayed her friend group and got Ramy killed (I don't know the full details because I was skipping around by this point). She destroyed him because she couldn't get her way with him. Maybe Kuang's message here is that the white woman's true self will come out when she's denied something because white culture teaches her that she can have anything she wants and minorities must fall in line with her will. Jesus... what a point of view lol. Then, to drive the point home, Victoire reflects back on her friendship with Letty and says that Letty was always a horrible, abusive person and now she finally sees it. Well I didn't see it. In the beginning anyway, I mean, Letty was acting like a fairly normal person. Does that mean the author wanted us to read negatively into everything she did just because... she's white?
All I wanted was for Kuang to present a more balanced view of humanity through the inclusion of Letty in the friend group. But nope lol! She thoroughly destroys any chance of that by making sure we know that all along Letty was a bad person, which means she was never really friends with them.
Another aspect of Letty that frustrated me was that the only sympathetic quality she was given was her minority status as a woman in college at that time. It was the only thing allowed to be good about her. So basically in the world of the book, if a character had a minority status they were allowed at least one point for sympathy. But unfortunately for Letty, being the whitest of whites gave her about minus 99 points automatically.
It was almost impressive how Kuang made sure that not a single white character is remotely likable. Even the cook, who was initially nice to Robin when he arrived in Britain, is later revealed to be a terrible person because she saw Robin getting beaten and didn't do anything about it. So yeah, kudos to the author for her dogged determination to make sure no white gets away seeming likeable.
The Message:
The book's message about the harmful effects of British colonization is important and worth discussing. It's undeniable that the countries under British rule suffered greatly. But while I can understand Kuang's strong feelings on the matter, I personally believe that British colonization is a complex issue that cannot be reduced to a simple dichotomy of good or bad.
I come from a culture that has been affected by British colonialism, too. My mother is from a small South Pacific island that was colonized by the British in the 1800s. The traditional customs of my mother's culture were replaced with western ones, and the actions of the British at the time caused trauma that still affects my mother's culture today. However, the reality is that if things had not happened as they did, I and many others would not be here now. We also might not have had the opportunities we have right now to create a positive future for ourselves and others.
While it's important to acknowledge historical injustices, dwelling on them and harboring resentment towards white people today is not right. The thing I don't like about Babel is that there are very few gray areas (from what I read), it's like 545 pages of encouraging the reader to see white people as one-dimensional caricatures, and embracing feelings of resentment and victimization and then feeling justified in these thoughts.
I think this book might encourage POCs to adopt a victim mentality. When I was younger I bought into the idea that as a POC, I had been wronged in some way because of the past. But these beliefs aren't even true and they also caused a lot of unnecessary insecurity and deppression. And I realized that there is no end to the blame game. I deeply regret wasting my energy on all of that. So I hate seeing my fellow POCs waste theirs by buying into victimhood and resentment when they could be doing things to actually bring themselves up. I understand that people are at different stages of healing, and I'm not saying that people should just shut up and be happy. I'm also not saying that my people's relationship with British colonization is equal to other nations. All I know is that this book tries to make it okay to judge others based on their minority status, rather than on just being who they are. This is a terrible way to view others. Further, I believe the book promotes a victim mentality, which, from my experience, only harms mental health in the long run.
Anyway so yeah, if you were to study at Oxford in the 1800s as a non-white international student, you would have been treated poorly by the locals. But even the book admits that at that time, Robin's home country of Canton was rife with misogyny. Every nation was committing vile and foolish acts 200 years ago. For example, my people used to literally eat their enemies. The last time I visited my mother's island, I purchased a history book about people being kidnapped and eaten by rival clans. This was not only for revenge, but it was also believed that the person consuming the victim would gain some of their powers. When the British arrived, they condemned cannibalism (and some of the missionaries were even speared and eaten as a result). The British may have butt in, but their decision to act as custodians over the islands set off a chain of events that led my mother's people into the modern world.
Last thoughts:
Each to their own, but I find myself side-eying the white people who are so eager to give this book five stars. Perhaps they're far less irritable than me or they enjoy masochism. Or maybe after reading 545 pages of white-people bashing, they've been worn down?
Additionally, many might be feeling like they need to be cautious when discussing the book because they know they'll be attacked for expressing their true opinions on it. It doesn't need to be said, you and I just know that calling out a minority's resentment of white people is not the done thing and opens one up to being attacked.
We've just accepted that white people are now punching bags for minorities in order to make up for the past. And whites have accepted this role and are expected to endure it because they supposedly "come from a place of privilege". When a POC spews hatred over whites, they're punching up, and therefore whites shouldn't be offended.
Firstly, that is not my idea of equality.
Secondly, I understand that white people mean well when they say they come from a place of privilege, etc, but it's cringey and minorities don't need to be coddled like that. If anything, the fact that we are bending over backwards to avoid calling out a minority author for this type of bigotry does not imply that whites are the privileged ones, now does it? Kuang is free to write whatever she wants, but her mean-spirited approach in this book is ultimately destructive. At least for me, it completely destroys any interest I had in this book or any of her future works.
Summing up:
Considering how popular this book is, it will likely encourage more people to buy into the blind hatred that leads to a lifetime of anger, suffering, and victimhood. That's sad because I would rather see minorities breaking the cycle of our intergenerational trauma by living well and thriving. You can't achieve that by being vengeful and expecting others to tolerate you, sorry.
This book was engaged in a mean-spiritedness that felt fundamentally gross to me. I call out gross shit when I see it, and if that makes me an uncultured swine, so be it
*Edited on 1/09/23 to make my points a bit clearer*
RANT INCOMING:
What a boring, mean-spirited book. It had little charm and came from a place of hate. And can this author write about anything other than one person starting a revolutionary war? Even her dark academia novel ends up going in the same direction as her Poppy War trilogy. Sis hasn't gotten over her Hunger Games phase, it seems.
This book is SO dull. The only creative aspect was how the author managed to find different ways to say the same thing on every page: white people suck and they're evil. By the billionth time, a white person came along to crap on the main characters or say something stupid, I was like, 'Okay, we get it: whitey = evil.'
And the footnotes were annoying and useless. They didn't add anything to the story, and you could predict exactly what they were going to say before you even read them because 90% of them were just there to tear down every aspect of British history and culture. They'd pop in every now and then to tell you that some random thing was 'problematic.' No shit, Sherlock. Everything from 200 years ago (Sherlock Holmes included) is problematic. That's just history for you.
The characters:

Quick note: I remember seeing this fan art when Kuang announced on Twitter that she was writing a dark academia novel a couple of years back. It got me so excited to read this book, and I'm really disappointed that I ended up not liking it.
These are some of the most boring, one-dimensional characters I've read about in a while.
Robin - The author legit forgot to give Robin a personality. His defining trait was basically just noticing and reacting to racism.
Victoire - She was a perfect human with a flawless personality, which made her annoying. If she ever got mad at someone, the story would bend over backward to make her point of view justified.
Ramy - Ramy's defining trait was that he hates British people and their culture with every fiber of his being, but gets really upset when someone questions why he chose to study in Britain. The author was trying to do something with the hypocrisy of this, but because she was so hell-bent on portraying whites as evil and everyone else as good she missed the mark.
And then there's Letty, the blonde-haired white girl...
Letty breathes
Everyone in her friend group: 'Will this fcking btch ever shut up?'
Also...
Robin kills someone
The gang: Let's keep it a secret.
Letty: Hey... is this really the right thing to do?
The gang: I knew this btch was going to betray us at some point.
Letty was the author's favorite punching bag and outlet for all her hatred of white people. It was weird because Letty was created to be bullied and ostracized by the others. Was I supposed to enjoy this dynamic? There were scenes where the other three couldn't wait for Letty to leave the room so they could talk freely among themselves. It took all of their efforts to tolerate Letty being in their presence.
At one point Robin says that he feels sorry for Letty and describes her as the innocent one in the group. I thought the author was giving her favorite chew toy a break. But actually, this whole section was about how Letty's innocence came from her ignorance. She could never understand the others or truly experience things alongside them, and her attempts at caring and trying to connect with them were portrayed as annoying. When she grew impatient with their bad moods, it was supposed to be like a 'gotcha' moment, a confirmation that she's not one of them. Maybe this is a dig at white allies and the suggestion is that they'll always benefit from white culture. Even if they think they're being helpful, they're still part of the problem and will always be. See what I mean about this book being mean-spirited? lol
The cherry on top of this crap sundae was Letty's inevitable character arc. It turns out that Letty had a huge crush on Ramy, but Ramy could barely tolerate her presence. Because she couldn't have him, her entitled, sociopathic white rage finally came out for everyone to see. She betrayed her friend group and got Ramy killed (I don't know the full details because I was skipping around by this point). She destroyed him because she couldn't get her way with him. Maybe Kuang's message here is that the white woman's true self will come out when she's denied something because white culture teaches her that she can have anything she wants and minorities must fall in line with her will. Jesus... what a point of view lol. Then, to drive the point home, Victoire reflects back on her friendship with Letty and says that Letty was always a horrible, abusive person and now she finally sees it. Well I didn't see it. In the beginning anyway, I mean, Letty was acting like a fairly normal person. Does that mean the author wanted us to read negatively into everything she did just because... she's white?
All I wanted was for Kuang to present a more balanced view of humanity through the inclusion of Letty in the friend group. But nope lol! She thoroughly destroys any chance of that by making sure we know that all along Letty was a bad person, which means she was never really friends with them.
Another aspect of Letty that frustrated me was that the only sympathetic quality she was given was her minority status as a woman in college at that time. It was the only thing allowed to be good about her. So basically in the world of the book, if a character had a minority status they were allowed at least one point for sympathy. But unfortunately for Letty, being the whitest of whites gave her about minus 99 points automatically.
It was almost impressive how Kuang made sure that not a single white character is remotely likable. Even the cook, who was initially nice to Robin when he arrived in Britain, is later revealed to be a terrible person because she saw Robin getting beaten and didn't do anything about it. So yeah, kudos to the author for her dogged determination to make sure no white gets away seeming likeable.
The Message:
The book's message about the harmful effects of British colonization is important and worth discussing. It's undeniable that the countries under British rule suffered greatly. But while I can understand Kuang's strong feelings on the matter, I personally believe that British colonization is a complex issue that cannot be reduced to a simple dichotomy of good or bad.
I come from a culture that has been affected by British colonialism, too. My mother is from a small South Pacific island that was colonized by the British in the 1800s. The traditional customs of my mother's culture were replaced with western ones, and the actions of the British at the time caused trauma that still affects my mother's culture today. However, the reality is that if things had not happened as they did, I and many others would not be here now. We also might not have had the opportunities we have right now to create a positive future for ourselves and others.
While it's important to acknowledge historical injustices, dwelling on them and harboring resentment towards white people today is not right. The thing I don't like about Babel is that there are very few gray areas (from what I read), it's like 545 pages of encouraging the reader to see white people as one-dimensional caricatures, and embracing feelings of resentment and victimization and then feeling justified in these thoughts.
I think this book might encourage POCs to adopt a victim mentality. When I was younger I bought into the idea that as a POC, I had been wronged in some way because of the past. But these beliefs aren't even true and they also caused a lot of unnecessary insecurity and deppression. And I realized that there is no end to the blame game. I deeply regret wasting my energy on all of that. So I hate seeing my fellow POCs waste theirs by buying into victimhood and resentment when they could be doing things to actually bring themselves up. I understand that people are at different stages of healing, and I'm not saying that people should just shut up and be happy. I'm also not saying that my people's relationship with British colonization is equal to other nations. All I know is that this book tries to make it okay to judge others based on their minority status, rather than on just being who they are. This is a terrible way to view others. Further, I believe the book promotes a victim mentality, which, from my experience, only harms mental health in the long run.
Anyway so yeah, if you were to study at Oxford in the 1800s as a non-white international student, you would have been treated poorly by the locals. But even the book admits that at that time, Robin's home country of Canton was rife with misogyny. Every nation was committing vile and foolish acts 200 years ago. For example, my people used to literally eat their enemies. The last time I visited my mother's island, I purchased a history book about people being kidnapped and eaten by rival clans. This was not only for revenge, but it was also believed that the person consuming the victim would gain some of their powers. When the British arrived, they condemned cannibalism (and some of the missionaries were even speared and eaten as a result). The British may have butt in, but their decision to act as custodians over the islands set off a chain of events that led my mother's people into the modern world.
Last thoughts:
Each to their own, but I find myself side-eying the white people who are so eager to give this book five stars. Perhaps they're far less irritable than me or they enjoy masochism. Or maybe after reading 545 pages of white-people bashing, they've been worn down?
Additionally, many might be feeling like they need to be cautious when discussing the book because they know they'll be attacked for expressing their true opinions on it. It doesn't need to be said, you and I just know that calling out a minority's resentment of white people is not the done thing and opens one up to being attacked.
We've just accepted that white people are now punching bags for minorities in order to make up for the past. And whites have accepted this role and are expected to endure it because they supposedly "come from a place of privilege". When a POC spews hatred over whites, they're punching up, and therefore whites shouldn't be offended.
Firstly, that is not my idea of equality.
Secondly, I understand that white people mean well when they say they come from a place of privilege, etc, but it's cringey and minorities don't need to be coddled like that. If anything, the fact that we are bending over backwards to avoid calling out a minority author for this type of bigotry does not imply that whites are the privileged ones, now does it? Kuang is free to write whatever she wants, but her mean-spirited approach in this book is ultimately destructive. At least for me, it completely destroys any interest I had in this book or any of her future works.
Summing up:
Considering how popular this book is, it will likely encourage more people to buy into the blind hatred that leads to a lifetime of anger, suffering, and victimhood. That's sad because I would rather see minorities breaking the cycle of our intergenerational trauma by living well and thriving. You can't achieve that by being vengeful and expecting others to tolerate you, sorry.
This book was engaged in a mean-spiritedness that felt fundamentally gross to me. I call out gross shit when I see it, and if that makes me an uncultured swine, so be it
*Edited on 1/09/23 to make my points a bit clearer*
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Yeah, that's true. I wasn't a critical reader when I read The Poppy War, so I ignored all of that to focus on the fun parts. Babel was the straw that broke the camel's back for me because it was so dull there wasn't much else to focus on but the anti-white sentiment.
Thanks for reading my post, Mizuki :) As a long-time follower and fan of your reviews, I appreciate it.

Thank you for sharing your good opinions all the same.
Especially this part:
On that note, how dare I question how a minority expresses her feelings about white people? Some might even ask why am I defensive. Well, as a non-white person, I have nothing to be defensive about, however, there is something fundamentally gross and wrong about this book that goes against my principles.
I guess neither you or me are defending white people here, personally what I am trying to defend is history and the different experiences of the colonized people. You cannot just neatly and cleanly put one party to the 'evil camp' and the other to the 'good camp' like Kuang did, it's damn lazy.


We get it, colonisation is abhorrent, what is new? Who was her target audience? It definitely wasn’t the 2022 gen Z that Ramy parroted the whole way through. Such a disappointing read especially as it was my most anticipated.



1) " So, therefore, the headspace where we sit around feeling resentful and hateful of what white people did in the past is useless and short-sighted and only results in keeping one in a perpetual state of victimhood. That's a trap that I wish more people didn't fall into."
This "headspace" is not not what keeps people in a state of victimhood, but rather the enduring legacy that colonialism has left us with. Racism is a systematic, institutionalized, reality in western culture. Our society is fundamentally inequitable and in order to address and repair the continued systems of oppression currently at work we have to understand and address the root source. To imply that we have nothing to learn from our history is naive at best. I'm glad that your life experience has been a positive one. However, I encourage you to look up data around gaps in racial wealth, employment, education, and criminalization to help better understand that for many this isn't the case.
2) "these days we have accepted that white people are now punching bags for minorities in order to make up for the past. Whites have accepted this role and they're expected to just endure it because they 'come from a place of privilege'. When a POC expresses their hatred for whites it's nothing more than an act of punching up and therefore whites shouldn't take offense."
Calling out racism is not an attack, but a statement of fact. White people are not a punching bag, but they have inherited a legacy of privilege. Therefore, they have the opportunity to either perpetuate the systematic racist systems they have benefitted from or consider their position and learn from these conversations. Not all white people are bad. And good people are capable of doing racist things, but then need to education about the impact of their actions and hopefully grow from them (dare I say, like you, writing this review). And media that attempts to start these conversations aren't looking to berate, but educate and inspire and maybe open up a window of understanding.
I am an adopted Korean millennial. I grew up in what was then the whitest city in America (literally, statistically) and for the first 25-ish years of my life I identified as white, believed in reverse racism (which isn't real), and did everything I could to separate myself from my Asian identity. It took a lot of reading, therapy, and conversation to make me comfortable in my own skin and able to fully embrace my identity. I do not know your race/culture, so cannot offer any specific reading materials, but I encourage you to seek out the memoirs of those with similar backgrounds as you. That was the number one thing that helped me to both articulate and then dismantle the internalized racism I carried for so long.

While I should say I'm sorry for your unpleasant childhood, I wouldn't use a single worldview to every other experience. Babel's plot offered no real solution to racism.
As an Asian person myself, I see absolutely no racism internalized or otherwise in what OP wrote. Not having a total hatred of dead empires is not apologism for said empires.


“…but the fact that they chose to be custodians over the islands set off a chain of events that saw my mum's people ushered into the modern world� Ah yes this modern world with insurmountable inequality, raging systematic injustice and wage slavery as we’re on the brink of climate annihilation from its after effects years later but yeah what a great modern world to be forced into😐. What a hum drum of imperialist doctrination to think the way of the European Colonisers was the “modern� and “right� way while the indigenous culture was barbaric for something a minority partook in, like cannibalism. It is the disease that came with the uncleanly and barbaric colonisers that wiped out a lot of the indigenous population in countries all over but of course, MODERNITY right! The same people who’s monarchy were beheading, setting fire to and stoning their own family and vulnerable people for the most trivial reasons.
just How ironic to review bomb a book for being “mean-spirited� while writing the most mean-spirited and ignorant take seen thus far on it.
To each their own!

Sorry to see if you aren't in perfect agreement with R.F. Kuang, then you have people talking down at you, telling you you are an idiot who cannot think for yourself and/or an internalized colonialism apologizer.
In this light, I would say if you have time, it's always nice to read real academic books regarding racism and social issues (Stuart Hall, Paul Gilroy, Norbert Elias are the guys I'm currently reading about) than wasting your time dealing with malicious replies. At least the guys I mentioned above aren't going to talk down at anyone or reduce a complicated problem into a simple "white=evil, POCs=good".


I don't think any sane person would deny that colonialism was bad and the effects of that ripple today. It doesn't need to be pointed out on every page like it's a revolutionary idea that nobody has considered before. At the very least, it's boring.




I'm so happy that this comment, as long as other in the same line, exist in this review! I got scared for a moment that all the people in this trend were behaving exactly like Letty did in the book.
Incredible how many people decided to find a problem with the author, but not with the reality of her book.


Thank you for your incredible reply on this ignorant review. As someone who actually lives in a former colony of some European country, the impact of colonialism is still rampant. Sure no book is perfect but I feel heard and seen by this book. We know that a lot of young people read this book on instagram or tiktok and I'm so glad R. F Kuang uses her popularity to write an amazing, heavy-subject book, in a simple and clear language.


I have to disagree on the footnote. I learn a lot from it. Not sure why you think it’s annoying. You are probably smarter than most people.






The British empire took accountability for slavery and racism by passing the Slavery Abolition Act on Aug. 1, 1834. It then spent tens of millions of dollars and sacrificed many thousands of lives fighting slavery on the open seas and looking to end the slave trade. From 1808-1860 the Royal Navy captured 1600 slave ships and freed 150000 enslaved Africa.
Britain set a precedent for ending slavery in the west and interestingly enough slavery is still heavily practiced in dozens of countries to this day. Britain has done more than almost any other country in existence to make amends for its history. You'd know this to be true if you spent any time in London in the past 10 years.
To simply cast aside this review as ignorant and baseless only evidences your own bigotry and bias.

There is no use saying all these, if you dare to breathe one word about what had been done for the decolonization process in the UK, then you are just another imperialism apologiser.

Not even one counterargument, not ONE. In such a long review it shouldn't be that hard to find a single statement to write a simple rebuttal to right? If the person is so wrong, explain why I wanna know, otherwise STFU. You're the living negative stereotype of the modern liberal that calls everything 'problematic' with no actual basis, just a bunch of teen angst you never grew out of. It makes the rest of us look bad. Now go ahead, claim I'm racist or some other false and empty platitude to make yourself feel better.

Firstly, I’d like to talk about this notion you present of white people being used as a punching bag for minorities and the broader idea of universal white evilness. To begin with, you can’t only view this book and its characters through a contemporary lens. Obviously, not all white people are terrible people. I think it would be redundant to state that quite a lot of my friends are white and they try to understand where I’m coming from on the subject of race and imperialism when I discuss it. But you have to consider that most of the white characters in the book are coming from significant places of privilege and many of them do have ulterior motives. Take, for example, the end of slavery: yes, it was partially brought about on moral/religious principles, as it was inhumane according to Enlightenment ideals, and it would be absurd to minimize the role that slaves had on their own freedom � take the Haitian Revolution for example, of the Great Jamaica Revolt � but there was also an economic component to it; release of slaves was a pipeline to free labor which in turn increased capitalism and kept the global market turning only at somewhat greater inconvenience. And even if they don’t have ulterior motives, Britain is spoonfeeding them racist, xenophobic rhetoric to keep public favor of imperialist expansion � Social Darwinism and the idea of a ‘civilizing mission� (Kipling’s The White Man’s Burden is an excellent example of this) are two major ideologies that were used to legitimize their subjugation of foreigners. So I don’t expect that white people in the mid-19th century would be very forgiving to me or you if we were to show up to pursue education at their beloved Oxford. Hell, my mother studied at Oxford just a few decades ago and she still had quite a rough go at it.
Regarding the footnotes � I think that’s down to personal preference. I appreciated them because I enjoyed the bits of extrapolation and historical context and am not unused to digression, but I get if you found it heavyhanded. It seems to me that ‘show not tell� isn’t Kuang’s greatest strength, but I didn’t find it was obstructive to the text as a whole.
Let’s talk about the characters. You found a lot of them flat. Valid enough, but we’ll have to agree to disagree. Robin underwent such a momentous arc as the glittering facade of Oxford crumbled around him and he slid into a sort of darkness � or perhaps awareness � alongside it. I don’t think Ramy can only be defined only as a hater of England � it’s just that suddenly he’s surrounded for the first time in his life by people who can see where he’s coming from. It’s that sort of talk that makes white people uncomfortable, and I think he was trying to prod that sore spot a bit. And seeing as I’ve had friends call my stovetop Chai-making pretentious, I can’t blame him. I see where you’re coming from with Victoire; I really would have liked the characterization that began to unfold later in the story a lot earlier, especially because she’s in the toughest position as a woman and a person of color. And then, as you say, there’s Letty� whose chapter I thought was well done. Letty was in a strange position because she was disadvantaged as a woman but ultimately would not be rejected and ostracized by the country she studied in like the others. The problem isn’t that Letty’s innocence comes from her ignorance, the problem is that she knows that British, spoonfed ignorance is protecting her and that’s why she betrays the others. I’d like to point out that the time the others are waiting for Letty to leave is because they desperately need to discuss a secret society that she is not part of and is not likely to be sympathetic to anyway. And about her and Ramy � yeah, Ramy liked to make her uncomfortable sometimes, but Letty always found more excuses to blanket herself than ever to admit she was wrong. Also, it’s implied that Ramy was gay and wasn’t interested in her, not just that he can’t tolerate her.
Finally, I really want to talk about this alleged ‘POC victim mentality� and place of harboring resentment that’s apparently afflicting the youth these days, which I think I’m pretty qualified to speak about, as a person of color and a youth. I know myself, and I know that it’s pointless to blame people today for the wrongs of the past. I don’t spend time plotting vengeance or feeling victimized. Yeah, I agree; that won’t get you anywhere. And I understand that I, like you, would not have the opportunities I have today if things in history hadn’t gone down the way they did. But I have my parents to thank for that � people who were brave enough to leave their country looking for greater opportunities; people who left their homes across the ocean where they were safely well off to work from the bottom up, only riding off their educations and money they’d saved or gotten as marriage gifts; people who sacrificed so much so I would be growing up as less of a stranger in a strange land � not the British or any other imperialist society. Like Robin realizes, I can recognize that colonizers changed the shape of my family’s history without needing to thank them for it.
There are a few things I can’t really address. I have no insight into the goings-on in the minds of any Caucasians who give the book 5 stars (I’d be interested to hear their thoughts, though). I’m not going to argue with the fact that you found the book dull � I mean, not every book is going to be everyone’s cup of tea in terms of pacing and narrative voice, and that’s perfectly alright.
I’ve struggled for years with my identity. I love the food of my culture, but I don’t feel any fondness for its politics and can’t justify whether they’re better or worse than that of the country I was born and raised in. I can understand my parents� language, but I can barely get past reading and writing the alphabet and can’t seem to think of it as my own. I like the clothing but feel jarred and disconcerted when I wear it. Seeing Robin wrestle with the same questions as I do made me feel less alone, and the first time Ramy was introduced I had to swallow my tears because I have always been too afraid to write a character so much like me. The point of the book isn’t for people to hate white people or buy into anger and suffering, the point is for people to recognize that this colonial legacy is still upheld in the status quo of today and maybe for readers whose lives have been changed by colonialism to see themselves in and find some solidarity with the characters. I’m sorry that didn’t work out for you.
So: I think Babel is a story that needed to be told. It’s not a performative novel, and it comes from a place of good intent, but most importantly, it’s a story that needed to be told because formerly imperialist countries still don’t take accountability for their actions. Latin- and South American markets are weaker because dependent development meant that they industrialized very late; China got Hong Kong back less than 30 years ago; stolen Indian gems are still displayed as the crown jewels of the English; the global market gap that arose from British imperialism in conjunction with manufacturing increased rural poverty across Asia as cities could not sustain the population growth. And those effects are visible today. Babel is important because there are worldwide repercussions of imperialism that are not going away anytime soon, and governments that benefited from it once are still befitting of it.
To postface: I recognize that many of the points in my rebuttal draw on my own lived experience and that your argument stems from your own lived experience; I’m not here to poke holes in your personal experience or invalidate it in any way but I hope that my rebuttal will let you see another take from a different point of view, from one person who has to live with the weight of a colonial legacy etched into your family history to another.

I like how you present you points respectfully, but then this happens:
China got Hong Kong back less than 30 years ago;
And have you read the news in the past 3 years and learned anything about how many of the HongKongers feel about the CCP government and the British government right now? Or how do the Taiwanese, the Mongolians, or the Uyghurs feel about said regime when Taiwan is threatened with military invasion, the Mongolians and the Uyghurs got their languages, cultures, and religion suppressed and outlawed?
Have you noticed that many HongKongers would rather migrate to Britain or USA or Canada or other white people countries in waves during the 1984 to 1997 period once they realized "China will get Hong Kong back" in 1997 as you so "lovingly" described?
Have you noticed that in the last two years alone 170,000 HongKongers migrated to Britain because they cannot deal with the CCP's BS anymore? And many more migrated or fled to other countries for the same reason!?
Before you talk again about how "China got Hong Kong back" like it's the only rational, righteous, politically correct thing to do, please do reconsider.
My following point is not against you, but I'm quite sick and tired of people talked like white people are the only race that is capable of racism, suppression, discrimination and wrongdoings, but Chinese and Indians etc are not capable of the same things, or they were not capable of imperialism of their own when China, India etc were empires like Britian back then.

Plus it's purely and beautifully ironic that you brought up Hong Kong as an example of the Imperial British Empire's wrongdoings and exploitation when after WWII, the population of HK society is made up of migrants and descendants of migrants fleeing the disasters (political persecutions, executions, famines, etc) kicked up by the CCP even since 1949. That includes at least one of my late grandfathers, so do excuse me for feeling personally offended by your comment.


Letty has only two character traits- a privileged white girl who always says the wrong thing and even when attempting sympathy or compassion is simply infuriating to her "friends". For example when Letty cannot possibly go more than 2 days without bathing or washing her clothes (that bitch!) yet is also their "prim English rose" before then becoming "that white bitch".
The plot holes are deeper than her character.
The author has drummed into it every five sentences about "this is bad" "this is racism" as though its the most subtle nuanced example ever committed to page.
Every single white character in the book is condescending, brash and awful, whereas every single poc character is brilliant, articulate and always on the right of the argument, especially when killing off the pesky white folk. It feels like the starting passage should have been "I'm not racist I have white friends". Instead the book is one LONG language lesson dressed up as "fantasy" when the one element of Fantasy within the book is barely used and fails to make any real difference to the world its employed in.
I fail to understand the pacing, where the first few years at Oxford fly by with many months passing by in the blink of an eye, and yet for page after page seemingly insignificant points are hashed, rehashed and then rehashed some more. Then lets put a little authors note in there so my audience know what's going on.
Why write a book with so much passion for language (which i really found myself enjoying actually) as a textbook almost in its dryness, yet then assume that your audience only has two brain cells and that one of those is being used on being racist.
Overall at the end of the book I find myself disappointed at an opportunity missed, at a failed promise of potential and no doubt looking forward to reading thousands of "Ha closet racist" alert by the people who loved the book.

A very good advice, the white people who did horrible things in the past aren't the same group of the white people you might encounter in real life, many of these folks are okay.
Plus, haven't the author been like anti-white or something right from the start? From what I'd heard, the stand-ins for both the white-skinned Westerners and the Japanese in her Poppy War books are like, all evil, with zero redeemable quality blah blah blah.
I hate imperialism too, but I hate any overwhelmingly black-and-white, narrow-minded book just as much.