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Embassytown Discussion > SECTION 4: Part Four: Addict and Part Five: Notes

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message 51: by Derek, Miéville fan-boi (new) - rated it 5 stars

Derek (derek_broughton) | 762 comments Allen wrote: "We've been smoke free more more than 10 years, and it was one of the most difficult things I or my wife have ever done. "

Together!! The early days must have been pretty stressful. You're over the hump - I always said the first 10 years were the hardest.


Traveller (moontravlr) | 1850 comments Allen wrote: "FYI - We've been smoke free more more than 10 years, and it was one of the most difficult things I or my wife have ever done. But sometimes we like to stand next to smokers :) .."
Congrats, well done! I think Derek also mentioned a similar period of time somewhere above?

Nicotine is extremely hard to get off, but there does appear to be a turning point in the cravings if one just manages to stay off long enough. I tried to get the same buzz with nicotene chewing gum, but the stuff tended to burn my stomach.


Nivas (booksofnivas) | 5 comments I think Ariekei think EzRa's words are salvation to them.
I know Words can be dangerous. Now i came to know power of Orator. Ariekei remind me of supporters who follow religions, political parties etc.


Traveller (moontravlr) | 1850 comments Srinivas wrote: "
I know Words can be dangerous. Now i came to know power of Orator. .."


How true that words can be dangerous! Indeed, Srinivas.


Nivas (booksofnivas) | 5 comments This is fav. part. so many extraordinary things happened. behavioral implications of Language on Hosts, problems of 'GOD DRUG' and most of all crumbling of Embassytown's future.


Nataliya | 378 comments Srinivas wrote: "This is fav. part. so many extraordinary things happened. behavioral implications of Language on Hosts, problems of 'GOD DRUG' and most of all crumbling of Embassytown's future."

Ah, you just wait until you get to the parts still to come! Extraordinary does not even begin to describe it.


message 57: by Daniel (last edited Nov 09, 2015 11:01AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Daniel (zlogdan) I am on Section: New Kings, so I've read all the forums until here. Honestly the book felt a bit less dynamic until half this section but I think in this section is when the Ariekei become the "monsters" always usually present at CM's books ( I like that ;-) ) rather than the complex alien race humans interact with.

I've been amazed by descriptions of the Hosts city and the vivid imagery created by CM. I usually see things in books I read kind of blurred and opaque and mostly 2D. But with CM I always can see and imagine things well.

The Drug-God thing looked me a bit more straight-forward and less sophisticated than the first sections but that is something it fits well in the plot.

But then at the second half, the devastated Embassytown society emerges from the the nearly utopic state with its its demi-god like Ambassadors.


message 58: by Derek, Miéville fan-boi (new) - rated it 5 stars

Derek (derek_broughton) | 762 comments Daniel wrote: " I think in this section is when the Ariekei become the "monsters" always usually present at CM's books ( I like that ;-) ) rather than the complex alien race humans interact with."

Yes. We're led to believe, in the beginning, that the Ariekei are extremely unusual, but still eminently understandable. Then, as usual, Miéville throws us off a cliff, and we discover that any understanding we, and the human characters in the story, thought we had was wrong. They are truly alien, and while we might learn to communicate, we will probably never really understand.


Traveller (moontravlr) | 1850 comments ...but hold on, you never know what's going to happen around the next bend of the story with Mieville ... ;)

But yeah, agreed that what was already a complex situation, now turns into a bad situation in this story.


Daniel (zlogdan) No spoilers, but the complexity comes back with The New Kings.


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