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ACOTAR #2: ACOMAF
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ACOMAF ~ Plot Predictions
I was thinking that at the end of ACOTAR (view spoiler) that it is because she is maybe (view spoiler) However I think the baby may be (view spoiler) I mean it's possible. Plus if she got pregnant from (view spoiler) he wouldn't have instantly noticed it. Whereas if it was from when she was a human it would make sense for him to have only just noticed it. Also I think Rhys kinda likes her now, so would want to protect her (and (view spoiler)). This baby, if (view spoiler), would also need protecting from the dangers of prythian (and other faeries) because they hate humans - just think what they would do to a (view spoiler) Which ties in with that pic on Sarah's pinterest () showing Rhys protecting (view spoiler) Tying in with the theory about (view spoiler) , which I think could be possible due to the fact that it would be (view spoiler).Also I think it could also be that she's showing signs of (view spoiler) Yet IF this caused her to maybe become a high lord than would it not have (view spoiler)
Those are just my theories. I'm really not on board with the whole love triangle idea though because it would make the whole first book obsolete. I've been hearing the theories that Tamlin was her human lover but Rhys is now her true mate??? And as much as I love Rhys I really hope this isn't the case.
Edit - MORE OF MY THEORIES
Feyre Theories
The thing is Feyre's (view spoiler) Although, It would annoy me if she mated with someone else, I think it would be okay. What she did was as much for tamlin, as it was for herself, as i think she had to discover who she was (view spoiler)
Anyway, so the title release of ACOTAR2 (officialy A Court Of Mist And Fury - I love it already) got me thinking. We all know that the book is going to be a Hades and Persephone retelling, but the fact that the word 'fury' is in the title got me thinking about furies, or rather erinyes in Greek mythology. Now i know it is probably nothing but Sarah never does anything without a reason, and i couldn't stop thinking about it, so naturally i went and did LOTS of research.
The whole idea of the Hades and Persephone retelling has a lot of people going "Oh my God! Feyre and Rhys, yes!". I agree that the Hades figure in the novel will almost certainly be Rhys. So naturally it would make sense that the Persephone figure is Feyre. I admit, the background is kinda there, considering (view spoiler) However I don't buy it! Here's why:
-Sarah is not the kind of author to give everything about the book away prior to the release. She loves to ramp up the suspense to keep us on the edge of our seats.
-(view spoiler)
-Feyre (view spoiler) but she had never been the sort of girl to go out flower picking. She was a hunter, who took care of her family, and didn't mind if she got a little dirty in the process. In my opinion, she just doesn't have the innocence of Persephone's character. For example, on Sarah's pinterest board for ACOTAR nearly all of Feyre's pics are surrounded by darkness, death, blood, and destruction. Suck as: and
-Also I think Elain is the Persephone figure in the retelling.
Yes, you read that right Elain. I will talk about why later, but first I want to talk about my Feyre theories.
So I now have another two theories about Feyre. The first is that I think she could be a Fury. *FANGIRLING* Literally just read Sarah's newsletter, and it said and I quote "It’s super-hard for me to explain the significance of the title without spoiling anything". OMG!!!! I am now 99.9999% sure that Feyre is a Fury!!!Earlier on, I remarked on how I think she could now (view spoiler)
Maddy, you are a genius!!!!
So I discuss it a lot with my friends on goodreads and here are my theories :- Without surprise, for me, Rhys mated with Feyre at the end of ACOTAR. But it's not going to be that easy, because I think it will be revealed only at the end of the series. AND both characters are going to struggle against it.
- Tamlin will propose to Feyre. And then there probably will be a wedding BUT BUT Rhys will come to claim her. *EVIL LAUGH*
- I don't agree with your Elain theory being Persephone. You did a pretty good job descrbing pictures and making connections but I will state the obvious here : Persephone is obviously going to be the heroine of the book and Elain isn't important enough to play that role.
Besides, giving the Persephone and Hades history, you actually implying that something might happen between Rhys [Hades] and Elain [Persephone]. SERIOUSLY ?
Re-read ACOTAR. There are several clues in the book of Rhys and Feyre futur relationship and you have plenty of pictures of Feyre and Rhys on pinterest.
They are going to end up somehow together. Mark my words.
I am aware that now that everything ended up with Amarantha, Feyre will NOT even think about trusting Rhys BUT he will eventually become a kind of "confidant" by helping her to get over the guilt.
- I think Elain is going to die.
She is the typical innocent lovely character which make the perfect victim of war so everyone will see how the King of Hybern is a terrible person.
- Feyre's Power : In the summary, it said that they are going to be "HARROWING". My guess is that Feyre will be able to see the futur, which is not an easy burden.
Some pictures on pinterst show female person with stars and wings and this made think of the predictions based of the stars. It could make sense.
- Feyre will know better how to read Rhys's emotions through the tattoo.
- Tension between Feyre and Tamlin. She will eventually enjoy staying at the Night Court and Tamlin, well, let's say that he wouldn't be glad about it.
- We will learn about Tamlin and Rhys's past together !
- Fury : I thought about the fury thing too but I think it's just a word which describes how the Night Court works.
- Mermaids , YES! I'm 10000% sure we are going to have some but I don't have any idea what role they are going to play.
- Vengeance, Betrayal and potential competition between characters (I was thinking about Rhys, Azriel and Cassian - The first two could be brothers ) will be part of the Night Court after all, it's the wickedest Court of Prythian!
We are going to either hate The Night Court or just love it, depends on the person we are I think. I can already guess Pro-Tamlin will be like "OMG, they are monsters" VS Pro-Rhys "GOD, it is soooo exciting".
- Feyre will have training sessions with either Lucien or Rhys . I don't trust Tamlin to be really serious with her, the guy could barely get his hands off her.
- Feyre will learn how to read !
- Sadly, I have a feeling Rhys may lie to Feyre or trick her to get what he wants and that would end up being the most horrible betrayal ever. Honestly, I wouldn't be against it, I don't want it to be easy between these two.
- Nesta's come back.
I was thinking about how she comes back : So maybe Feyre will have a vision about her house burning so she would want to check on her sisters and decide to take them with her. Or at her wedding ?
- Nasty exchanges between Nesta and Lucien. ±áé³óé.
- The king may want to create some discords and conflicts between the courts to weaken them when he strikes.
- We will witness the Calamnai of the Night Court.
- Finally, we are probably going to have a lot of "holy shit it’s happening" moments and I'm thinkin particulary about some hot scenes between a certain dark High Lord and Feyre.
Feel free to discuss my theories!
Omg... Hot scenes with Rhys???? I'm in!
I am thinking about Feyre's reaction if she learned about the night court's calanmai. I can totally see her barricading her bedroom door.
Mirou - Love your theories! I can totally see Feyre being involved in the Night Court, and I can kinda also see Elain dying. As well as this, I agree that Tamlin wouldn't take her training seriously. I'm currently pro-Tamlin, but can't wait to see where how the story evolves because of the Night Court. I'm also relying on them being 'monsters' because sometimes they make the most interesting characters.Megan - I am thinking about Feyre's reaction if she learned about the night court's calanmai. I can totally see her barricading her bedroom door.
This is hilarious! I can 1000% see Feyre doing this - as well as setting up a snare.
LOLFeyre managed to catch both Alis and then Tamlin unaware with her snares. I hope to see another one of these scenes. It would hopefully add some non-lethal laughter to the night court. for some reason, i picture Feyre rigging some trap and the victim ends up covered in sparkly glitter. lol
LOL! Exactly, I NEED this to happen! :)
Does anyone know if there are any spoilers/quotes/extracts coming in soon?
Nesta is obviously going to have a bigger role. That's for sure!
Like Maddy said earlier, I know everyone is quick to jump on the Rhys + Feyre train...but it makes the entire first book pointless. Personally, I'm still loyal to Tamlin just because I haven't seen enough of Rhys to really judge his character. I think in ACOMAF we'll definitely see Rhys pulling at Feyre's relationship with Tamlin. As for the Persephone retelling, it's exactly that...a re-telling. It's not going to go exactly as the greek myth. And even the myth has several versions that are considered the right one. I'm not sure what Maas is doing with Rhys, but he's definitely going to shape Feyre's character
I feel pretty loyal to Tamlin too. I mean there was a lot riding on him too, with that curse and all. He had to lose his friend that Feyre killed, and had to basically restore the kingdom. We don't know much about him, so we should get more of a backstory on him as well as Rhys!
I feel like Maddy's comment is the FIRST and LAST comment about theories I need to read until this book comes out. Honestly that was the most glorious display of word vomit and thought provoking ideas I have seen in a while! The commitment is insaaane! Don't get me wrong I am totally up for everyone's opinion but that was just AWESOME! I hope most of those theories are true because I for one will devour this book if it all pans out, I love me some plot twists. xD <3
I love Rhys (as independent character), not really sure about his relationship with Feyre yet but... (and this is why I love him) he never does anything without a purpose. He's so damn smart that the interruption in the wedding must have a reason further important than just a crush (not at all, at least) . I can't wait to read the real reazon.
Yay, good to know there's still some Tamlin love out there :)! <3
Does anyone think Jurian will still play a part in the following novels? I mean, there must be some role for him if the ring is missing. My guess? He acts as an advisor for Nesta/Elain. I am not sure how he would feel about the faeries, who he fought then saw mistreated by Amarantha, or about Feyre, who defeated his archnemesis but then turned High Fae.
Lydia wrote - "I feel like Maddy's comment is the FIRST and LAST comment about theories I need..." - Thank you! I'm hoping at least some of them are true as well, as it would give the plot so many exciting twists and turns!To be honest, I think there's now way we can truly speculate what will happen in the next book. First of all, the basis of the story is going to be completely different now that it will be a Hades and Persephone retelling. Plus we can't say for definite that we know who the Hades and Persephone figures in the book will be. Also it's filled with Faeries, whose customs and ways we are still coming to learn - alongside Feyre.
Furthermore we still don't know much about many of the characters. Even though she was with Tam at the Spring Court for the first half of the book, I feel like we've barely scratched the surface of his character. Sometimes he was open with her, but not always as they were still getting to know each other. Also I don't think Tam really wanted to draw her in too deep as Prythian was a dangerous place for her. Then there was the fact that there were some things he couldn't tell her because of his curse. Then he was basically absent for the second half of the book, due to the fact that he had to clamp down on his emotions to protect her from Amarantha's wrath.
Then we have Rhys. I feel like in ACOMAF we will learn a lot more about his past, as we still know practically nothing about him (especially since we will be visiting the Night Court). He seems like quite a shut off character in general, but was starting to open up to Feyre. I'm intrigued to see how much of himself he will let her know.
I think we are also going to see more of Lucien :), and learn more about his past at the Autumn court (which should be interesting).
Megan wrote - "Does anyone think Jurian will still play a part in the following novels?" - Yes! I don't think it's possible that we've heard the last of him considering the ring and necklace went missing.
Maddy wrote - "He seems like quite a shut off character in general, but was starting to open up to Feyre." What if Feyre is the only confidant Rhy had throughout the whole stuck under the mountain thing? Be honest, does anyone think Rhy would have a confidant in the night court? siblings could be competitive, like Lucien's brothers.
Megan wrote - "What if Feyre is the only confidant Rhy had throughout the whole stuck under the mountain thing?"Exactly! I think it's will be interesting to see how it plays out
Do you think Rhys's mother is alive ?
Mirou wrote: "Do you think Rhys's mother is alive ?"I think it's possible.
Does anyone think that maybe Amren might be his mother? Or sister?
I honestly don't think Feyre's going to be pregnant. Simply because that's the most popular theory and our beloved Queen Maas tends to do the unexpected.
Megan wrote: "Mirou wrote: "Do you think Rhys's mother is alive ?"I think it's possible.
Does anyone think that maybe Amren might be his mother? Or sister?"
Sister for me. Azriel, his bother and Cassian his second in command
I just realized, in all of ACOTAR, we only see the sons of High Lords. Both Tamlin and Lucien don't appear to have any sisters... 0_0As for Azrael and Cassian, I don't know how to differentiate them.
When Feyre arrives at the night court (for some reason I can only picture her dropping out of the sky or ceiling and falling on the floor unceremoniously since she came unwillingly) I wonder how she will behave. She will be furious, no doubt about that, but she is also surrounded by deadly and sadistic Fae who actually know how to use their powers.
Noooooo!!! I love Feyre and Rhys together!!
This comment is FULL OF SPOILERS so if you have not read ACOTAR, STOP READING HERE!!I'm pretty sure Rhys and Feyre are endgame. Here are the reasons why I think so:
1. Feyre's painting in the cottage the family used to live in.
Remember how Feyre painted flowers for Elain, fire for Nesta and the night sky for herself? There's no way Sarah did this unintentionally. I think that Elain's the one who's going to end up with Tamlin, Nesta with Lucien and Feyre with Rhysand. I'm not just saying this based on this one painting; I have other reasons.
2. Feyre has a lot more in common with Rhys than with Tamlin.
Remember how both Tamlin and Feyre feel close to each other because they both know the burden of having to take care of people? Well, while we know that Feyre took good care of her family with all the hunting, I don't think Tamlin did much for the people in his court. When the 49 years started he did send his men to the human realm however, after a while he snaps and stops. Then he just sits there and waits for the doomsday without really doing anything. He is very different from Feyre, who tried to stop the creditors from breaking her father and later went hunting even though she was the youngest. Feyre took action to improve the situation while Tamlin did nothing but watch as Amarantha slowly destroyed Prythian. Also, Tamlin did nothing while Feyre was in Under the Mountain and Amarantha was toying with her. I understand that there was not much he could have done but still! He could have done better than sit still and say nothing while Amarantha tortured and slowly killed his lover. Instead of Tamlin it was Rhysand who risked his life saving Feyre.
In my opinion Feyre has a lot of things in common with Rhysand. When Tamlin enrages Amarantha and the curse is set, it was Rhysand who took action. He became Amarantha's whore so that his people would not have to suffer. He sacrifices his freedom to save his court. He TAKES ACTION unlike Tamlin! When Feyre is tested by Amarantha, he is constantly by her side to save her although it is true that he was sometimes oppressive. But he had his reasons! When Rhys kisses Feyre, it was to hide the smudge in Feyre's body paint and avoid Amarantha from finding out that Tamlin was kissing Feyre. And the wine? It was to make Tamlin mad which would be a huge advantage once the curse was lifted, and to convince Amarantha that he was on her side. Also, he never touches Feyre's body other than her waist and arms! Not to mention the fact that he was the one who called out Feyre's name when Amarantha was slowly killing her in the third trial and he was the only one who went to fight by Feyre's side even though he knew how he may not live. And the reason he did so is because he didn't want Feyre to fight alone or to die alone, the same reason Feyre stayed with the Summer Court faerie. Is this not reason enough to believe that what Rhysand was doing was all for defeating Amarantha and that he is not the whore everybody thought him to be and that Feyre has more in common with Rhysand than with Tamlin?
I have nothing against Tamlin or his relationship with Rhysand. I shipped Tamlin and Feyre so hard after Alis reveals everything (I wasn't sure why everybody was acting wierdly before that) and I almost cried after knowing how he chose Feyre over the entire Prythian. I will be very heartbroken if things do not work out for them in the next book but it's just that everything in the first book is screaming that Rhysand is endgame.
I have no idea what's going to happen in ACOMAF and I have a lot of questions, especially about what Feyre's 'harrowing abilities' is going to be, but I'm pretty sure Feyre is going to be in a relationship with Rhys.
Wow, this comment got long. The word count was 702!
I totally agree with Momoko!! The painting thing never occurred to me, but I can defiantly see it. Although, my one question is why would Lucien and Nesta end up together?
Momoko, I think you brought up some really great points and I agree with your theory!!I think Nesta will definitely have some interactions with the Fae in the next book, so even though there's no connection between Nesta and Lucien right now (besides really subtle hints like the painting) I think that there's a good chance they will be paired up together. I think they would complement each other well.
I can't wait for ACOMAF. All these plot theories are driving me insane. I love it.
Momoko wrote: "This comment is FULL OF SPOILERS so if you have not read ACOTAR, STOP READING HERE!!I'm pretty sure Rhys and Feyre are endgame. Here are the reasons why I think so:
1. Feyre's painting in the cott..."
Oh, wow, Momoko! That is really interesting! I love all the ships in this fucking book, they're all so deep and unique and beautiful. I could easily be swayed either way! Tamlin REALLY got on my good side for the first half of the book, because he was sooo damn adorable with the courting and stuff! But Rhysand was so subtley awesome and... I DONT KNOW! There is so much badassery and sexiness. :) LOL fangirl moment here.
@Grace, I had the same reaction while reading the book *remembering fangirl moment* lol
I think it is pretty much clear that the second book will be centered around the Rhys/Feyre relationship and building the story up for fighting the evil King (which will surely be book 3). Don't think it'll be 100% clear whom Feyre ends up with until the last book really - after reading ToG, I think Maas likes these love triangles (or more angles, lol) and it is always very clear from the way she looses interest in characters which way she'll turn next - predictable actually and never comes as a surprise in either series.What I would like to read in the next book is a bit more info on what strained the relationship between Tamlin and Rhysand. I do not believe it is (view spoiler). Those are just things that made it worse. But it must have been something else.
There were always 3 things that bothered me at the Spring Court estate.
1. those childrens books
2. how Tam closed up the gallery when he became high lord - aka it's been so long since there was someone there that would appreciate it - Feyre seems to also always wonder about the fae/person who made the paintings
3. No mention of Tams rooms - why and what is there - pictures pictures?
So I have a feeling that those things are either connected to:
1. Maybe I'm making a fuss of it and it's just all his mother in the end - his mother being "the painter" and those were his books from childhood
2. Maybe there was a sister. And I'm having this weird theory that his sister was somehow connected to Rhys but also killed with the rest of Tams family and that Tam resents Rhys for not being able to protect her? (Rhys also said everything he ever loved was taken away from him... who knows...) maybe a child could be also connected to that story...
3. OR maybe Tam had a family that he lost, a wife and child?
Dunno, I'm throwing fanfiction bones here LOL.
I am quite a fan of the Nesta-Lucien pairing, I'm interested in that one, but I think one of them would have to turn mortal/immortal for that, so, we'll see.
I dont believe feyreh and rhysand are end game. First of all lets think of the fact that sjmaas isnt one to base her books all on a love triangle. Then, when people say rhysand acted weird at the end because he saw he was feyreh's mate or whatever, i dont believe this is true. Lets remember that feyreh is a human originally. So she doesnt have a mate. Thats what i believe. And i think he would have realised much earlier. Then, i believe his actions will be explained by feyreh's specialness.if Rhysand and feyreh come together, book one would have all been for nothing. Then, book one was a beauty and the beast retelling. I think thatakes it obvious that feyreh and tamlin are endgame. Mokomo said that feyreh and tamlin dont have much in common, but not all relationships are based on common ideas. Some are based on being able to appreciate and understand the partner's interests, different as it may be fron yours which i think is what feyreh and tamlin have. And, feyreh and tamlin might not be similar in outward actions, but inside, they are. While feyreh and rhysand may appear similar on the outside, inside, they are quite different. Just as tamlin refused to become amarantha's lover which is the opposite of what rhysand did, feyreh would also have done the same thing. Mokomo said that tamlin did mothing, but by refusing amaranth, he was already fighting for his people, which i believe feyreh would do the same.i believe that since feyreh and tamlin are beauty and the beast theoretically, they will still get their happily ever after together and the retelling of persephone and hadesight not be necessarily centered on feyreh loke maddy said or even if it is, it may not end the way we think. Sjmaas is actually quite ceeative and unpredictable sooo...... and by the way. If rhysand and feyreh end up together, i will weep.
I agree, I definitely think that whatever caused Tamlin and Rhysand's strained relationship is the key to understanding a lot of those little mysteries of the fae courts. And I'm sure now that Feyre will be going to the night court, she will be searching for (or just so happen to find) some clue that begins her own curious investigation into the connection in their pasts.
Does anyone remember that ACOTAR is also a retelling of East of the sun, West of the moon? I believe that folk tale is more connect with the book. Even though most of the review focus in the Beauty and the Beast part, but if we change another point of view...It won;t be strange that Tamlin and Feyre's relationship being so,,,hum...fast.And based on what was mentioned above...SJM is such a unpredictable author that we can never know what will happen next...remember TOG? (Especially when COM and HOF) Although ACOTAR may not be the same as TOG, but since they're from the same writer...well...I believe even though the second series will be the retelling of Greek Myth, there must be A LOT OF different from the original tale.
And a question about the pinterest...(I never consider it before) but does SJM pin really related to her story?? (Maybe something like that happen in TOG series before? Can anyone please tell me about it!)
Cover revealed: FOR LOVE SHE CHEATED DEATH. FORHER WORLD SHE WILL BECOME A WEAPON. And the image of her. So hearthbreaking! Her dress remembers wings, black like Rhys
The cover does look really cool.
Giada wrote: "Cover revealed: FOR LOVE SHE CHEATED DEATH. FORHER WORLD SHE WILL BECOME A WEAPON. And the image of her. So hearthbreaking! Her dress remembers wings, black like Rhys"I don't think it does. Rhysand has bat wings.
My take on the Persephone/Hades retelling is that although Persephone was kidnapped/tricked by Hades when she was in the field picking flowers, this can easily parallel the Feyre and Rhys dilemma. Feyre wasn't exactly "tricked" into staying at the Night Court, but can any of you say she'd willingly do what she did if she had any other choice? It wasn't a trick per say, but it wasn't exactly a happy-go-lucky situation. Also, Persephone being being taken to the Underworld makes me even more sure that Feyre is Persephone. Persephone was taken from the meadow, and when you think of meadows you think of flowers, sunshine, etc. which all relates to the Spring Court. So by agreeing to this deal with Rhys, Feyre is, metaphorically being taken/kidnapped from the meadow and into the underworld (the Night Court). It just all falls into place.In regards to Elain+Rhys, that would be a very, very interesting spin (which I've come to expect from SJM)...but it just doesn't make sense. It'd be too obvious in my opinion, and only because Elain would be too much like Persephone, and SJM would be uncharacteristically sticking so close to the original story. I do see Elain being someone who Tamlin could fall in love with, given that on SJM's pinterest she's just the embodiment of all things spring-like.
Ok just got all caught up on SJM's pinterest page... Does anyone think that....A: Amren could be Rhys's mother? She hasn't named Rhys's mother, but has pinned Amren & she looks like a relation to Rhys.
B: If ACOTAR is a similar retelling of Beauty & the Beast & SJM has hinted to mermaids being present in ACOMAF... could that mean she's kinda throwing in some subtle Little Mermaid stuff? Like as a side plot?
I also don't know that story of Persephone/Hades.... so if there's anyone out there who could summarize for me....
The story of Persephone and Hades is basically this:Young Persephone strays from her mother-Demeter-one day to collect wild flowers. Hades opens a chasm up that swallows Persephone. Persephone is trapped there and by the time Demeter found out, Hades had already compelled Persephone to eat a pomegranate seed binding her to the underworld forever. So, Persephone lives as Queen of the Underworld for half a year and apparently that is why we have winter and fall. Those seasons are the time that Persephone is in the Underworld and Demeter is sad.
THE END
I hope that explained it to you
Diane wrote: "The story of Persephone and Hades is basically this:Young Persephone strays from her mother-Demeter-one day to collect wild flowers. Hades opens a chasm up that swallows Persephone. Persephone is ..."
Great! Thanks for summarizing.. not sure what that really has to do with ACOMAF though.
Well, people think that the week each month that Feyre has to spend with Rhysand (if that's how you spell it) is similar to how Persephone has to spend six months a year with Hades. They also think that Tamlin is going to mourn her like Demeter did Persephone or something? I think...
Personally I wonder about the dawn court. In the final showdown in ACOTAR it said that the Lord of the dawn court shines brighter than any of the others. I wonder if that means that the dawn court is the most powerful of them all or something
Personally I wonder about the dawn court. In the final showdown in ACOTAR it said that the Lord of the dawn court shines brighter than any of the others. I wonder if that means that the dawn court is the most powerful of them all or something
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