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Ignore the part above about Good Girls go to Heaven. It's old-2010. I thought it was new and I apologize for cluttering up this thread, but it is still worth reading.

The Team #2 list:
Best Novel
Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky
A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World by C.A. Fletcher
Recursion by Blake Crouch
Famous Men Who Never Lived by K. Chess
The Ten Thousand Doors of January by Alix E. Harrow

Best Novella
"Anxiety is the Dizziness of Freedom" by Ted Chiang
The Test by Sylvain Neuvel
Walking to Aldebaran by Adrian Tchaikovsky
To Be Taught, If Fortunate by Becky Chambers
The Serpent by Claire North

Best Novelette
"Omphalos" by Ted Chiang
“A Mate Not a Meal�, Sarina Dorie (Analog Science Fiction and Fact 3-4/19)
“Dave’s Head� by Suzanne Palmer

Best Short Story
"Gundark Island, or, Tars Tarkas Needs Your Help" by Matthew Corradi
“How the Trick Is Done� by A.C. Wise

Best Graphic Story

Marjorie Liu & Sana Takeda - Monstress vol. 4

Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form

Russian Doll: Season 1 (Netflix)
Dark: Season 2 (Netflix)
Travelers: Season 3 (Netflix)
Chernobyl (HBO)
The Expanse: Season 4 (Amazon)

Best Dramatic Presentation Short Form

The Witcher: Betrayer Moon (Netflix)
The OA: SYZYGY (Netflix)
Love, Death & Robots: Three Robots (Netflix)
The Good Place: The Answer (NBC)
Legion: Chapter 23 (FX)

Best Fancast

The Coode Street Podcast
Our Opinions Are Correct
SF In Translation

Astounding Award For Best New Writer

C.L. Polk

BEST RELATED WORK
The Pleasant Profession of Robert A. Heinlein by Farah Mendlesohn
Monster, She Wrote: The Women Who Pioneered Horror and Speculative Fiction by Lisa Kröger

For a real easy way to pick Best Professional artist, Rocket Stack Rank has a nice list with thumbnails of works and a tab to visit the artist website. Also nice if you need some wall art.

My one hope for Best Artist is Richard Anderson. Cover art for The Black Hawks and Bloody Rose. Also Lauren Panepinto who did the covers for A Little Hatred and A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World

Thank you for Best Related works, that section is completely blank.

In order to make Team#2 list more representative (and win), I make suggestions:

@Kate: we have 3 of your novels, 1 novella. I'm ready to add your novellas if you think they are better, as well as novelettes

@Silvana: our list are quite different (IIRC you're voting as well, right?) so if you want to join the team please state your preferences

@Antti as Team#1 leader: I will gladly discuss conditions on joining our lists.

Also I could have gone 10 deep for Best Dramatic Pres Short Form. It has been a very good year for TV.

@Oleksandr: We will only accept unconditional surrender! Long live Team#1!

Just kidding. I think the only novels we will not compromise over is They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears and Children of Ruin: those were five-star novels for both of us. If they are on the final list, we're golden.

Agreed, Antti.

Antti wrote: "Just kidding. I think the only novels we will not compromise over is They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears and Children of Ruin: those were five-star novels for both of us. If they are on the final list, we're golden.
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Children of Ruin are in team#2 list as well, so no problem. As to They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears, I'm ready to include it instead of Famous Men Who Never Lived. What about shorter works? I'm ready to drop the last two novellas

I made a mistake - Travelers season 3 is not eligible this year for BDP Long form, it's a Dec. 2018 release.

Re the voting, I don't care if you pick either of them, but I have noticed that Bujold's always seem to get nominated. She has two this year, and I really liked the one I read. Knife Children. The other may be more likely, though. It's in the World of the 5 Gods. But obviously, at this stage, it's just which ones WE like better.

Hey, we shall see if my taste is closer to the average when the nominees actually come out, and then I can go nyah nyah! (Remember, I won the nominee-guessing for the Hugo last year, I think. I've slept since then.) Why did I choose more correctly? Because I think you guys like a better quality of literature than I do. It's just my low taste in books--it lets me guess what the average fan will like, that's all!

I did not particularily like Famous Men Who Never Lived by K. Chess. It felt boring and pointless. The rest, I guess, are as good as any other.

I didn't like The Test novella either, but that's because it was grim and a downer. I never like anything that is grim and a downer

Hey, Z, I said I would pay for the membership next year, and I will, but you guys may have to do the collection and decide the final ballot again, because--I shall be traveling end of Feb, first of March. I know, I always am then--yes, and I will as long as I can.

Thanks, just remind me when I need to pay next year.

Oleksandr wrote: "In order to make Team#2 list more representative (and win), I make suggestions:

@Kate: we have 3 of your novels, 1 novella. I'm ready to add your novellas if you think they are better, as well as ..."

I am not sure. As you said, our list is very different and since I have not read most of team 2 novel and novellas i don't know how to combine with my already full list. (The ones I read, Ten Thousand Doors and Walking to Aldebaran, both won't be my pick at all :D)

For other categories, feel free to use some of mine if needed.

And yes I will be voting.

Stephen wrote: "For a real easy way to pick Best Professional artist, Rocket Stack Rank has a nice list with thumbnails of works and a tab to visit the artist website. Also nice if you need some wall art.
..."

Good tip! I think I'll also update my list with editors (at least for the short form).

If I combine Team#1 and Team#2 and add graphic stories from Ed , I get this list (Note: Astounding Award has two names: I'd like to nominate Arkady Martine instead of Polk, if we're dropping Memory Called Empire from Best Novel)

TEAMS #1 & #2 COMBINED


Best Novel
Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky
A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World by C.A. Fletcher
Recursion by Blake Crouch
They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears by Johannes Anyuru
The Ten Thousand Doors of January by Alix E. Harrow

Best Novella
"Anxiety is the Dizziness of Freedom" by Ted Chiang
The Test by Sylvain Neuvel
Walking to Aldebaran by Adrian Tchaikovsky
To Be Taught, If Fortunate by Becky Chambers
The Serpent by Claire North

Best Novelette
"Omphalos" by Ted Chiang
“A Mate Not a Meal�, Sarina Dorie (Analog Science Fiction and Fact 3-4/19)
“Dave’s Head� by Suzanne Palmer
Emergency Skin by N.K. Jemisin
Zeitgeber by Greg Egan

Best Short Story
"Gundark Island, or, Tars Tarkas Needs Your Help" by Matthew Corradi
As the Last I May Know by S.L. Huang
“How the Trick Is Done� by A.C. Wise


Best Graphic Story

Marjorie Liu & Sana Takeda - Monstress vol. 4
* Apocalypse Taco
* Farmhand, Vol. 1: Reap What Was Sown
* The Weatherman, Vol. 1
* Invisible Kingdom, Vol. 1

Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form

Russian Doll: Season 1 (Netflix)
Dark: Season 2 (Netflix)
Chernobyl (HBO)
The Expanse: Season 4 (Amazon)

Best Dramatic Presentation Short Form

The Witcher: Betrayer Moon (Netflix)
The OA: SYZYGY (Netflix)
Love, Death & Robots: Three Robots (Netflix)
The Good Place: The Answer (NBC)
Legion: Chapter 23 (FX)

Best Fancast

The Coode Street Podcast
Our Opinions Are Correct
SF In Translation

Astounding Award For Best New Writer

C.L. Polk

BEST RELATED WORK
The Pleasant Profession of Robert A. Heinlein by Farah Mendlesohn
Monster, She Wrote: The Women Who Pioneered Horror and Speculative Fiction by Lisa Kröger

Thanks Antti, looks great! I plan to add several Retro Hugos for no one gave any preferences

Somewhere, someone said that they had wrongly nominated Travelers: Season 3 because it came out in 2018. I checked and the release on Netflix date is 2018, mid-December.

So I think, Annti, you should pick something else . . .

Thanks, Kate: removed.

Chernobyl was great, but neither science fiction or fantasy. I had the same problem with What We Do in the Shadows which is on FX and is funny as all get out . But it is a take off on Horror tropes so not really a Fantasy show. Long Dramatic hope is Alita: Battle Angel. I really liked that movie.

Antti wrote: "If I combine Team#1 and Team#2 and add graphic stories from Ed ..."

My reading preferences aren't mainstream. Monstress, Saga, and Paper Girls are all more likely to actually win, as well as any Super-Spider-Man-Woman-type things that came out last year. So, do with my suggestions as you see fit.

Antti wrote: "I'd like to nominate Arkady Martine instead of Polk, if we're dropping Memory Called Empire from Best Novel"

Arkady Martine is unfortunately not eligible for the Astounding Award, as she's been publishing short fiction since 2012.


Separately: Chernobyl is on the Hugo eligibility list spreadsheet, so I think it is counted. It's not *speculative* science fiction, but it is very much fiction about science. Similarly, Hidden Figures was nominated in 2017.

Kalin: Thanks, I somehow hasn't realized that. Edited.

Hi all!

I started entering our nominations in advance. Found out that The Serpent isn't from 2019, so 1 place free in novellas

Also see if you can add a nice short story and best series

There is the filled copy of the ballot. Please check if anything missing? I added some stuff in categories, which we haven't discussed

a summary of your current nominating ballot:

Best Novel

Children of Ruin; Adrian Tchaikovsky; Orbit
A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World; C.A. Fletcher; Orbit
Recursion; Blake Crouch; Crown
They Will Drown in Their Mothers' Tears; Johannes Anyuru; Redhook
The Ten Thousand Doors of January; Alix E. Harrow; Two Lines Press
Best Novella

Anxiety is the Dizziness of Freedom; Ted Chiang; Exhalation: Stories
The Test; Sylvain Neuvel; St Martin's Press
Walking to Aldebaran; Adrian Tchaikovsky; Solaris
To Be Taught, If Fortunate; Becky Chambers; Harper Voyager
The Work of Wolves; Tegan Moore; Asimov's Magazine
Best Novelette

Omphalos; Ted Chiang; Exhalation: Stories
A Mate Not a Meal; Sarina Dorie; Analog Science Fiction and Fact
Dave’s Head; Suzanne Palmer; Clarkesworld
Emergency Skin; N.K. Jemisin; Amazon Original Stories
Zeitgeber; Greg Egan; Tor.com
Best Short Story

Gundark Island, or, Tars Tarkas Needs Your Help; Matthew Corradi; Lightspeed
As the Last I May Know; S.L. Huang; Tor.com
How the Trick Is Done; A.C. Wise; Uncanny
Sojourner; Craig DeLancey; Analog Science Fiction and Fact
The Death of Fire Station 10; Ray Nayler; Lightspeed

Best Series

Book of the Ancestor; Mark Lawrence; Holy Sister
Books of Babel; Josiah Bancroft; The Hod King
Expanse; James S.A. Corey; Tiamat’s Wrath
First Law; Joe Abercrombie; A Little Hatred
Wormwood; Tade Thompson; The Rosewater Insurrection
Best Related Work

The Pleasant Profession of Robert A. Heinlein; Farah Mendlesohn
Monster, She Wrote: The Women Who Pioneered Horror and Speculative Fiction; Lisa Kröger
Best Graphic Story or Comic

Monstress, Vol. 4: The Chosen; Marjorie Liu & Sana Takeda ; Image Comics
Apocalypse Taco; Nathan Hale; Harry N. Abrams
Farmhand, Vol. 1: Reap What Was Sown; Rob Guillory; Image Comics
The Weatherman, Vol. 1; Jody LeHeup, Nathan Fox ; Image Comics
Invisible Kingdom, Vol. 1; G. Willow Wilson, Christian Ward ; Berger Books
Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form

Russian Doll: Season 1; Netflix
Dark: Season 2; Netflix
Chernobyl ; HBO
The Expanse: Season 4; Amazon
Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form

Betrayer Moon; The Witcher; Netflix
SYZYGY ; The OA; Netflix
Three Robots ; Love, Death & Robots; Netflix
The Answer; The Good Place; NBC
Chapter 23; Legion; FX
Best Editor, Short Form

Lee Harris
Trevor Quachri
Neil Clarke
Best Editor, Long Form

Nivia Evans
Jenni Hill
Brit Hvide
Bella Pagan
Best Professional Artist

Dan Dos Santos; Storm Cursed
Victor Mosquera; Waste Tide
Lauren Panepinto; The Raven Tower
Katie Anderson
Best Fancast

The Coode Street Podcast
Our Opinions Are Correct
SF In Translation
Astounding Award for the best new science fiction writer, sponsored by Dell Magazines (not a Hugo)

C.L. Polk; Witchmark
Retro Best Novel

Sirius: A Fantasy of Love and Discord; Olaf Stapledon; Secker & Warburg
Retro Best Novella

Killdozer; Theodore Sturgeon; Astounding Science Fiction
Old Man in New World; Olaf Stapledon; George Allen & Unwin
The Changeling; A. E. van Vogt; Astounding Science Fiction
Retro Best Novelette

Arena; Fredric Brown; Astounding Science Fiction
City; Clifford D. Simak; Astounding Science Fiction
Technical Error; Hal Clement; Astounding Science Fiction
Retro Best Short Story

And the Gods Laughed; Fredric Brown; Planet Stories
Catch That Rabbit; Isaac Asimov; Astounding Science Fiction
Desertion; Clifford D. Simak; Astounding Science Fiction
Double-Cross; Frederik Pohl; Planet Stories

Thank you for your efforts, Oleksandr. This looks good!

Agreed!

So, now we can start a new thread "guess Hugo nominees". What do you people prefer - novel only or like last year, novels, novellas etc with smaller works getting less weight

No opinion. I mostly will only read novels, as you know, and now novellas

Did we try to guess the Hugo nominees last year? Winners, yes, but I don't recall any thread predicting the nominees.

But if we're going to do it this year, I'd go for simplicitys sake for just the novels.