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There are highly complex character arcs in this book with many triggers. Please be kind to all opinions as there is not one right answer. As readers we all support each other! 🤍

I can't wait to hear your thoughts and how they develop as we follow Feyre's journey!

OKAY. FRIENDS.

I was one of those people who could not guess Amarantha's riddle in the first book.....soooooooooooo although I was SWEATING during Feyre's wedding hoping that SOMETHING was going to happen..... were you able to guess what was going to happen?!?!

I did not 😂 I was jumping up and down though haha Talk about an entrance!

please tell me I'm not the only one that thinks she subconsciously knew Rhys was going to come to her "rescue". like in the last bit of ACOTAR he fully pointed out that they have a "bond" that lets him know how she's feeling. part of me wanted to smack him for not coming sooner, with all of her nightmares and frequent trips to her bathing room at night. I'm currently on chapter 20 and slowly dying to see their relationship progress.

For real though! I totally get that! Tim (our second moderator) made a good point to me earlier today that I am sure he will share later (he is currently traveling), but he made it to chapter 11 and said he feels Tamlin has a desire to protect Feyre, while Rhysand is more encouraging her to learn tools to protect herself. Which I thought was an interesting comparison. It kind of allows room to grow rather than being saved kind of?? All interesting views!

I also didn't manage to guess the riddle... oh well (at least me and Feyre have something in common lol)

and yeah, I also figured she knew it was Rhys. like "somebody save me", yeah, yeah, just say who you mean 🙄😂

also, yeah, that is a huge difference between Rhys and Tamlin. Tamlin sees Feyre as completely defenseless and he feels the need to constantly make her feel smaller, so that he can feed his protector complex and defend her. Rhys, on the other hand, understands that ultimately the best protection is the one that a person provides for themselves, so he believes in making Feyre reach her own potential, rather than relying on others.

they're both protectors, but it feels like one suffocates her, while the other tries to set her free.

or maybe I have too much free time and think about this way too much 😂

"hello Feyre darling" I CAN NOT-

Vlada wrote: "also, yeah, that is a huge difference between Rhys and Tamlin. Tamlin sees Feyre as completely defenseless and he feels the need to constantly make her feel smaller, so that he can feed his protect..."

Yes! Love this analysis!

haha and no it sounds like you have the perfect amount of time 😉

Ashetyn wrote: ""hello Feyre darling" I CAN NOT-"

this is my favorite comment 😂

Vlada wrote: "I also didn't manage to guess the riddle... oh well (at least me and Feyre have something in common lol)

and yeah, I also figured she knew it was Rhys. like "somebody save me", yeah, yeah, just sa..."

Rhys was really like "Am I the drama?" with his entrance.

he loves his dramatic entrances and we love him

I super agree Tamlin sees Feyre as defenseless and himself as a protector. And I think some of his insistence on protecting her comes from a driving need to have his life fit the perfect, 'normal,' mold of life before Amarantha? And it seems to me like everything he is doing is meant to reinforce his desire for everything to be fine, like he can just ignore all of his problems away if he insists on following the normal traditions hard enough? Like the tithe, which is so obviously unnecessary, but which he refuses to consider changing.

Love that take! The fear of change or even the desperation for normalcy after a traumatic event is very real. I’m loving the complexity of all these characters! And you all are bringing up some unique points and perspectives I hadn’t pondered the first time around 🧐

I really feel like that Tamlin sees Feyre not as an equal and Rhys does see her as an equal. That's why Rhys teaches her things so she is involved and makes her own decisions instead of everything being decided for her or keeping her in the dark.

Also Tamlin said there are no High Ladies however Rhys said there are but that was a conversation for another day! That really intrigued me! Also this hints to the fact that Rhys actually does see her as an equal and is not set in his ways by "the old way/ it always has been this way".

At least I think so! This is my first time reading this series :)

Christine wrote: "I super agree Tamlin sees Feyre as defenseless and himself as a protector. And I think some of his insistence on protecting her comes from a driving need to have his life fit the perfect, 'normal,'..."
If I am being completely honest, Tamlin is sort of reminding me of his description of his father. I also disagree with the Tamlin seeing Feyre as defenseless! I think he knows that Feyre is strong. But his pride was injured when this human girl that he was intent on using to get back his power was able to fight against Amaranth head on when all he did was bow his head. After finishing this book you can definitely see the signs in ACOTAR which is insane!

Anyways back to his view of Feyre. I think deep down he never loved her. The goal was to have Feyre fall for him not the other way around. Between the guilt of sending his men out to be murdered and the anger of having to put his fate in the hands of a human girl who killed one of his friends and the jealously/broken pride of this girl who was supposed to be a tool to him save him from Amaranths hands. It was easier to say he loved her, to her and to himself.
Feyre might have loved him but not fully I dont think. I think it was the idea of getting away from her boring life where no one appreciated her. Looking back there was more spark between her and the Suriel then her and Tamlin.
I have only finished up to the second book so i dont know if i sound stupid or not lol.
EDIT: IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT Tamlin doesn't see anyone as people. Everyone he has interacted with has 1)served as bait or 2)were strong enough to make his court(?) seem stronger (Lucian) or 3) used to further his own scheme (Ianthe, Feyre)
he doesnt see his subjects as subjects either (tithe) just as people who he can prove his strength to