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No Name > No Name - Week 10

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Hugh (bodachliath) | 316 comments Mod
This week's section contains the third chapter of the Fifth Scene, Between the Scenes and the Sixth Scene.

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message 2: by Brian E (last edited Dec 20, 2022 10:21PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Brian E Reynolds | 148 comments Some comments:

1) When I mentioned last section that I didn't expect Noel to last to the end, I didn't realize that Collins would so quickly act on my prediction. That was really quick work for the writer of a 700+ page novel with a single storyline.

2) After not getting along at all at first, Wragge and I have since become close and I did miss his presence during this section. Not so, Mrs. Wragge, so I guess it's almost a wash. However, I do realize the plot is better off developing at this point without him. Also, I still presume that the savvy Collins realizes his readers are eagerly awaiting a concluding round in the Wragge/Lecount match. I hope he doesn't disappoint.

3) Lecount's explanation for her proposed change in Noel's will beneficiary was so convoluted it gave me a headache. It reminded me of Wallace Shawn deciding which glass of wine has the poison in it in the Princess Bride. I may have gotten lost, but I don't think her ultimate advisory conclusion served her stated purpose much better than just giving it to George directly. It also gives the Admiral a chance to just keep it all anyway- I don't see why he doesn't have that right. That's probably because behind Lecount's advise was her favoritism to the Admiral over George. She certainly maneuvered Noel to act more in her interests rather than Noel's interest as, by this time, she has more motive and desire for revenge against Magdalen and Wragge than Noel does, or did.

4) I hope this story ends with Magdalen returning to an acting career as she certainly takes every opportunity to perform as an actress in her off-stage real life. She must have a need to act to always craft her plans so as to require such acting ability. If I'm not mistaken, this upcoming role as a maid will be her third real life acting role.

5) I did empathize with Magdalen more in this section and I hope my empathy for her continues in the growth mode. As I have said, this book is more enjoyable when you can root for Magdalen and just be a bit frustrated when she gets into her own way as she is wont to do. I am trying to get there but I won't force it.

6) The will-changing and Magdalen's plans seem to indicate that the resolution may include Linda's prediction of George and Norah becoming a wealthy married couple.


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Hugh (bodachliath) | 316 comments Mod
I found Lecount's lengthy spiel reminiscent of Pendril in the First Scene (and some of Wragge's). Collins clearly couldn't resist demonstrating his knowledge of legal subtleties.

I struggled a little to work out how Loscombe became so willing to help Magdalen when he was Noel's lawyer, and I didn't understand why Magdalen used her real forename when corresponding with him when she must have been married using the alias Wragge gave her...


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Brian E Reynolds | 148 comments Hugh wrote: "I struggled a little to work out how Loscombe became so willing to help Magdalen when he was Noel's lawyer, ."

I did too, but it was a very small struggle. With Pendril so anti-Magdalen, she was up against it on two prongs - from Lecount and from Pendril. With Wragge out of the picture, Magdalen needs some other support to make it something close to a fair fight. She needs Loscombe so I decided to accept and not question why he so readily adapted to acting on her behalf.


Dianne Brian E wrote: "Some comments:

1) When I mentioned last section that I didn't expect Noel to last to the end, I didn't realize that Collins would so quickly act on my prediction. That was really quick work for th..."


Brian, your comments are hilarious and spot on! Definitely missed Wragge, when it was noted that Magdalen would handle this herself. I was thinking, oh dear. I don't empathize much with her much,she seems a bit absurd at this point with her contrived acting jobs and maneuvering. Speaking of absurd, Noel's practically instant death immediately after the will was finished was ridiculous! I also found it unlikely that Lecount would develop such an elaborate scheme for the will, and also that the scheme would be suspected. Still enjoying the story, about as much for its comedy as its mystery.


Dianne Hugh wrote: "I found Lecount's lengthy spiel reminiscent of Pendril in the First Scene (and some of Wragge's). Collins clearly couldn't resist demonstrating his knowledge of legal subtleties.

I struggled a li..."


Excellent observations Hugh!


Linda | 1425 comments Noel's quick death also took me by surprise. I certainly expected something more drawn out with the anticipation of the possibility of his dying with the new will in place while Magdalen and Lecount had some sort of confrontation. I was also surprised that his death wasn't investigated as suspect after just having made a new will. It crossed my mind that Lecount might have had something to do with his death and that I had missed it. Didn't she have the servants bring up the ingredients to her so that she could prepare a drink for him? Wouldn't any of them suspect her of maliciousness after Noel's death, especially after a couple of them were used as witnesses to change his will?

I didn't realize I missed Wragge in this section until Magdalen brought him up, that he was nowhere to be found and that she would be all on her own going forward. I certainly wasn't expecting her to take yet another acting gig in order to right this new wrong. I'm wondering how she will pull this off since the admiral is specifically looking for a young pretty woman, and so she won't have the ability to disguise herself as an older woman with a disfigured face. And who will she be presented as, what name will she use?

That's a great point that Hugh brings up about Loscombe and Magdalen's correspondence with him. I had taken a break from reading this section, so when Loscombe's name came up, I struggled to remember who he was, exactly.

Like Brian, I also found myself with more empathy towards Magdalen in this section. I do prefer to root for her, so I enjoyed seeing her hatch a new plan. It just seems a bit far fetched, though, to devise yet another plan like this, and so late in the book as well. But I guess if Noel's death can be comprised of only a single short sentence at the end of the chapter, I suppose Magdalen's new plan can be put into play in a shortened section. I assume she'll make it into the house according to plan, but from there, we'll see what happens. My original hypothesis was that Norah and George would marry without any knowledge of the money coming to them, but now I wonder if Magdalen will find the letter and convince Norah to marry. I actually don't see that second hypothesis as actually happening because I don't think Norah would want to be a part of that sort of plan. Maybe Norah and George will marry not knowing about the money, while at the same time Magdalen will find the letter and have knowledge of it, but not act upon having that knowledge.


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Brian E Reynolds | 148 comments Linda, how much does Magdalen know of George's attachment to Norah? It was my assumption that she was unaware that it had developed as far as it has and so would not necessarily be thinking money going to George would also end up on Norah's hands. This lack of knowledge of the extent of the relationship could affect her choice of actions.


Linda | 1425 comments I agree, Brian. I don’t think Magdalen has any knowledge of Norah and George’s budding relationship. I just thought that Magdalen might see an opportunity to match up the two after learning from the letter that the money is meant to go to George. And that George’s wife can not be a widow (so not Magdalen, although her going by a different name confuses the matter). But that Norah and George might marry without any influence from Magdalen, Magdalen won’t see that coming.


Linda | 1425 comments Well, being at home and snowed/iced inside for the past couple of days, I went ahead and finished the book. 😬 I usually have a hard time not racing to the end of a book by this point anyway. I’ll remember where my thoughts were at the end of week 11 in order to still comment.


message 11: by Brian E (last edited Dec 23, 2022 04:13PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Brian E Reynolds | 148 comments Linda wrote: ".I’ll remember where my thoughts were at the end of week 11 in order to still comment."

I plan to finish early too but really just to make sure I finish the book in this calendar year so I can count all of No Name;s pages as pages read this year. When I do that with other reads with weekly discussion threads, I skip commenting until the end to make sure I don't accidently give spoilers. In this read, I had originally planned on just not commenting on Week 11 and waiting until Week 12 and comment on them all.

However, now that I've experienced Hugh's extensive chapter reviews, my usual cautious approach to accidental spoilers will likely not be necessary. I can check Hugh's summaries to make sure that what I'm revealing actually did occur in one of that section's chapters. So, now, I too may comment in Week 11 even if I am already far into Week 12's reading.


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Hugh (bodachliath) | 316 comments Mod
I am only a couple of chapters into week 11/the 7th scene so far - making notes limits when and where I can read so I have not been giving it exclusive attention. I will finish before the end of the year but typing the notes up may take longer.


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