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Here's this year's card, to remind you what we've just done:

Here are the slots we keep year after year since they already provide a good basic stretch across things we should all try to do when reading:
Alternate form
Anthology
Award Winner
New-To-You Author
Published before ??? (I'll pick some date)
Published in 2025
Book that was Free (since that's just the center square)
Translated from another language
And our list of existing suggestions, new ones always welcome
Genres:
High Fantasy
Hard Sci-Fi
Speculative
Space Opera
Epic Fantasy
Young Adult
Middle Grade
Urban Fantasy
Humour
Romance
Mystery
Apocalyptic / Dystopian
Optimistic / Utopian
Non-fiction SFF
Fantasy of Manners
Arthurian
Weird West
Romantasy
Authors:
Female Author
Male Author
LGBTQ Author
Author of Color
By a favorite author
Indigenous
With a disability
Non-English author (kind of same as "Translated")
Indie Author
Features:
Female/Male/etc protagonist
Non-human protagonist
Some kind of fantasy creature (dragon, unicorn, demon, god)
Features some SF creature (alien, AI)
Features some kind of job (librarian, doctor, ruler, cop/detective)
Immortality
Time Travel
Distant Future/Past
Parallel/Portal Worlds
Alternate Timelines
Non-Western Country or Culture
Set in a real, non-English-speaking country
Military SF
Near Future
Social SF
Religion
Mythology
Fairytale / folklore
Colony
School
Lost civilization
Generation ship
Features a character with wings/tail/other unusual feature
Tech/Magic run amok
Bio/Nano-tech
Talking animals
Virtual Reality
A holiday (Christmas, Halloween, something specific to the world)
A station or an inn
Telepathy/Psychic
Invasion
Clone/Doppleganger
Takes place in a certain location (continent, underground, etc)
"Punks":
Steampunk/Gaslight
Cyberpunk
Silkpunk
Solarpunk / Clifi
Biopunk
Decopunk
Atompunk
Dieselpunk
Elfpunk
Dreampunk
Gunpowder/Flintlock Fantasy (not really punk but goes with the rest)
A punk character :D You know the kind with spiky green hair and piercings and probably in a band and stuff
"Metadata":
Number of pages
Short story/novella/novelette
Beautiful cover
Cover that is -some colour-
Debut novel
Standalone novel
Last book in a series
Omnibus
SF/F Translated from other than English
Made into a TV show or movie
Media Tie-in
Based on a game
Shared World (multi-author series)
Pre-20th Century SF/F
SF/F Graphic Novel
Complete a duology/trilogy
E-book / Audiobook
A special letter or word in the book title
Published in a certain month of the year
Prequel / Sequel

Anything that blends the 1800s or the Old West with sci-fi/fantasy elements. Not sure how you'd want to phrase that.
Media Tie-In is always welcome as I am on a Doctor Who tear at the moment.

Alternate form is pretty much anything that isn't a standard prose novel. So a graphic novel, poetry, a play, etc as long as it can be found on ŷ. An audio book would count too.

Here's a shelf for Weird West, which has some suggestions. This isn't exhaustive, but it's a starting point.
/genres/weir...







I thought it was a fun movie 😊

I didn't know it was a book either until I found it in a box of books I had bought at auction - $9 for 10 boxes of ex-library books. Most of them I have no interest in, so I will give them to community book exchanges, or to a charity shop, but there were a few good ones in there.

Decopunk - no GR list for suggestions
Atompunk - One short list
Dieselpunk - Couple of lists, but a lot overlapped with books I always considered steampunk. I mean there's a big difference between a world powered by steam and one by diesel, you can't really be both
But while looking up Dieselpunk I found a list for Dreampunk. This one seemed kind of cool (maybe because I've read quite a few on it)
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Some descriptions of what it is:
- Dreampunk fiction often makes use of surreal imagery, esoteric symbolism, dream logic (which may not be entirely logical), dream-related technology,
- It's a trippy subgenre of speculative fiction focused on dreamlike states and their interaction with consensus reality.
- Dreampunk is a niche genre of speculative fiction that asks the question "Is this real?" and then follows up with "What does that even mean anyway?"
You've got things like Sandman (which is all about dreams and some of those are pretty trippy), Alice in Wonderland / Oz, Lovecraft's dream worlds, PKD questions reality all the time, The Dark Tower, Amber
Its not a long GR list (I'm sure we can come up with more) but it has a lot of famous titles (that are easy to acquire, more so than the other lists)
Any objections? Figured some strange, mess with your mind, reading might be fun. Unfortunately most of the other punks are a little hard to categorize, or where the category is clear, to find books that fit. Too niche and it become another 1k+ page book challenge ;)

I did find a Decopunk list, though. If we need it at some point.
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I'm with you,Georgann. I'd be happy rereading Dreamsnake. Or The Lathe of Heaven, for that matter.

Yes, I have not yet read the Lathe of Heaven, number 1 on the list! So I'd like to read that, too

As for dreampunk, I'm fine with that. There's a lot on that list that I haven't read, and I would think a fair number of Moorcock's books from the 60s and 70s could fit in that category.

Apparently there's Clockpunk too which is Renaissance technology, and Mythpunk which I didn't quite get...seems a kind of magical realism genre where its not really fantasy...or is it?
Complicated. At least the Dreampunk feels a bit more defined, while still being vague enough to allow some wiggle room as to what fits it. If its surreal, or trippy, dreamlike, or questions reality its probably a good fit.



- Features a Son: I wanted to do "Inspired by Oz" since I'm going to read Wicked, but then realized other than some obscure stuff, there's only two main series, Wicked and Dorothy Must Die...seemed a bit limiting. I tweaked it to be "Features a Son" which means you can't just pick any male characters (since unless you've got some interesting biology going on, every guy is a son of somebody) you have to pick someone who is the son of someone "important". For example, you can read a book about Mordred, who is the son of King Arthur. Or in my case, Liir, son of Elphaba. Maybe Percy Jackson, son of Poseidon. That kind of thing.
- Complete a Trilogy: I kind of envisioned reading all three books in the same year, but it still counts if you just read the last book in a trilogy you started ages ago. Anyway just put the last book in the series on your challenge shelf (or shelve the omnibus if there is one)
- Features a Swordsman: Don't limit yourself to Fantasy, a Jedi would count...unless you already consider Star Wars fantasy as some do...alright getting complicated here :) Swordswoman counts too, it just got hard to fit that in the square.
- Takes Place Underground: I was looking at Gaiman's Neverwhere when I can up with that one, but realized it was fairly flexible, you can be in a mine, some sort of lunar colony, a sewer, in Hell/Hades, or something like Caves of Steel where people went underground because...they were afraid of fresh air (or whatever the logic was in that one I forgot). Obviously characters can come above ground too but needs to be predominantly under it or have the undergroundedness be particularly significant
- Dreampunk: See the discussion above





I found a couple that look good: Freaky Folklore: Terrifying Tales of the World's Most Elusive Monsters and Enigmatic Cryptids ; The Milky Way: An Autobiography of Our Galaxy ; The Paranormal Ranger: A Navajo Investigator's Search for the Unexplained

Kind of but you'd be surprised. There are "The Science Behind Star Trek" kind of books. Or maybe a Harry Potter cookbook. Or a worlds of fantasy encyclopedia. Or a history of the evolution of SF and/or Fantasy. Maybe a historical textbook researching the "real" King Arthur. Or a textbook on dragons or unicorns or other creature (there are plenty of those)
I plan (though not sure yet) to read a biography of either Anne McCaffrey or Brian Herbert to kind of "complete" my reading of Pern and Dune. A biography is a bit more of a stretch but they will most certainly cover the creation of their master works.

I found a couple that look good: [book:Fr..."
I was about to say the Milky Way one is just a plain old science book...but since it seems like it might be told from the POV of the Milky Way itself that might give it a bit of a fantasy twist so that it would still apply...a kind of reverse of the slot (but still good enough a match), a Fantastical Non-Fiction book :)


Oh, and just remembered, I have the Nitpicker's Guide to the Next Generation, was planning to PVR the series and then, well, nitpick it as I watched. That might happen this year too since I'm part way through season 6 of Stargate and ST:TNG was up next.


Sounds good. That gives me a bit of wiggle room.


Historian
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Graphic Novel
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SF&F Reading Challenge
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Explorer Challenge
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Awards Challenge
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Standalone Challenge
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Minority Challenge
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Sub-Genre Challenge
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Short Story Challenge
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Completist Challenge
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BINGO Challenge
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Books mentioned in this topic
Freaky Folklore: Terrifying Tales of the World's Most Elusive Monsters and Enigmatic Cryptids (other topics)The Milky Way: An Autobiography of Our Galaxy (other topics)
The Paranormal Ranger: A Navajo Investigator's Search for the Unexplained (other topics)
Johannes Cabal the Necromancer (other topics)
Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There (other topics)
As usual, I'll just recreate these for those that have a specific challenge they want to meet:
Historian Challenge
Graphic Novel Challenge
Subgenre Focus Challenge
Standalone Challenge
Explorer Challenge
Awards Challenge
Female Author Challenge
Short Story Challenge
Series Completist Challenge