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message 1: by Shannon (last edited Jun 01, 2008 04:10PM) (new)

Shannon  (shannoncb) With such a huge cast of characters, you no doubt have your favourites. Who is your favourite and why? Who is your least favourite character? Did you find it hard to relate to any of them, to sympathise with them, or did you find that the numerous characters really helped carry such a broad, epic story?


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Allison (queen_alysanne) | 2 comments Jon Snow.. no doubt about it. I have a tender spot in my heart for cripples, bastards and broken things, what can I say? He was easy to sympathize with, he's heartbreakingly human.

I hate Sansa most of the time, it's hard for me to grasp the way she thinks. To understand her goals and values because they don't make sense to me, as me.

I for one love the epic cast of characters because it leaves no room for the black and white of good and bad. It is easy to like one characterize more than the rest but it's hard to call anyone good or evil.


message 3: by Sandi (new)

Sandi (sandikal) Keep in mind here that I really suck at remembering names.

My favorite character was Dany. I enjoyed the way she changed from victim to leader. I would have enjoyed the book more if it had been a lot shorter and centered on her.

As far as least favorite characters, there's probably more than I can name. I think Caitlyn's sister was probably the one I hated the most. What a terrible woman. At least the queen was upfront about her evil. Caitlyn's sister was evil and didn't even realize it.


message 4: by David (new)

David (sfdavide) I am just starting (about 50 pages in) and I love Tyrion. His introduction when he met Jon outside the castle was hilarious. I dont know what befalls him in the rest of the book but I am looking forward to learning more about him.


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KristenR (klrenn) | 124 comments My favorite character was Dany (I really liked Arya and Tyrion also), and my least favorite was Sansa.

I wanted to like Eddard, but ended up bored with his character....I wanted him to DO something.




message 6: by Colleen (new)

Colleen (inametaphor) I'll chime in with more Dany-love. But, on second reading, I'm finding myself disgusted with most of the characters.

And, while not strictly a main character, I'm just in flat-out hatred of Robert. Having read the books faithfully, I know all of the trouble that the last Targaryen (sp?) started. But - my god - Robert? Ugh. I'd call him the Usurper, too.


message 7: by TinaNoir (new)

TinaNoir Jon Snow is hands down my favorite.

I hate Cersei. Just hate her.




message 8: by Cicero (last edited Jun 02, 2008 10:44AM) (new)

Cicero | 47 comments My favourite character was Tyrion; he is just so
(for want of a better word) spunky.

But when I read the rest of the series I realised how much I missed Ned. Also somethings that I deduced from the later books changed my view of Ned slightly (not massively just a few little comments and hints made me realise he was not quite as simple and single minded as I thought).

Sansa in AGOT is dim, just plain dim; she just doesn't realise what a snake pit Kings Landing is. As others have mentioned her aims and motives are hard to emphasise with. In the rest of the series her development is slow and does not really kick into book 4 were she becomes (for me at least) very interesting indeed.

Lysa Arryn, ARGH, how I loathed her!



message 9: by Terri (new)

Terri (terrilovescrows) | 79 comments I like Dany and Tyrion - they are both very interesting characters.

Also Love/Hate Cersi -- She is a fantastic villian.




message 10: by Nathan (last edited Jun 02, 2008 03:04PM) (new)

Nathan (spearofsolomon) Arya/Littlefinger


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theduckthief | 14 comments I really like Tyrion. He accepts what people see him as and uses it to his advantage. They underestimate him, ignore him and it allows him to gather information.

I hate Lysa for being such a blithering idiot but I completely loathe Cersei.


message 12: by Sandi (new)

Sandi (sandikal) I think Lysa is worse than a blithering idiot. I think she's every bit as evil as Cersei. The way she's manipulating her son is absolutely horrific and it's far worse that the way Cersei is manipulating hers. I haven't read any of the sequels and she has such a small part in this book, but I wouldn't be surprised to see her and her son turn truly despicable.


message 13: by Katie (new)

Katie | 1 comments There are so many characters that it's favourites. I love Tyrion - he's smart, sarcastic and one of the few characters with a sense of humour. Disliked Jamie initally but he improves as his character develops through the series...

Jon Snow for being Jon Snow

Dani and Arya for being thrown into awful situations yet managing to make the best of it and maybe even coming out on top. Disliked Sansa for being the exact opposite. I began to understand her a little better further on in the series as you realise that she is clinging desperately to how she wants the world to be instead of acknowledging just how bad it can be.


And of course Cersei, the one everybody loves to hate. But top of the hate list is Caitlyn - the blindness and narrow mindness of this woman drives me crazy!


message 14: by Shannon (new)

Shannon  (shannoncb) But top of the hate list is Caitlyn - the blindness and narrow mindness of this woman drives me crazy!

here here! she had a real stick up her bum too.


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Katie Verhaeren | 4 comments I love so many of the characters but Dany is my favorite just slightly above Jon Snow.
Can't stand Sansa.
Cersei- I love her for being as awful as she is, as Terri said she's a fantastic villan.


message 16: by Shannon (new)

Shannon  (shannoncb) I liked Sandi's comment about Dany, that she went from being victim to leader. That made me gravitate towards her too - she displayed great strength of character, even though she annoyed me at times. Still, she's so young!


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Branka (taiyo) | 22 comments After all four books I still like Arya the most (I like her spunk). The second place is taken by Tyrion (his cynicism is just brilliant). After the first book I hated Sabsa, but later...

Cersei, I hated here also, but again, later...

What I love about Martin is that his characters are always changing, growing, there is always more behind.


message 18: by [deleted user] (last edited Jun 03, 2008 05:25PM) (new)

I liked Tyrion because he gets the best lines. Actually, Sansa is a good (if hard to swallow) character because her motivations and fallibility make the story a little less epic.

I don't see Cersei as evil, but I don't see her as much of a character either--just a plot device.

Didn't like Ned because he seemed unbelievably stupid. Martin seems to fall into the trap of equating morality with stupidity. Of course, maybe that's what he wants us to think about and reject.
I didn't like Dany because she never connected to the main story. Sandi, maybe Dany should get her own book and make both of us happy.


message 19: by Sandi (last edited Jun 03, 2008 05:32PM) (new)

Sandi (sandikal) I do think he could have done a whole book of Dany's story. The way this book ended, you can tell he's setting her up to be one of the major players in this saga.

I also think Sansa's character has a lot of growing up to do. Right now, she's a typical pre-teen. She's got a lot of romantic ideas and had never encountered the harsh realities of power and politics. In this book, she's just starting to try to resolve her romantic fantasies with the sordid intrigue she's caught up in.

One of the things I did like about this book was how age-appropriate the children were. They're not miniature adults or cutesy accessories, they're realistic kids and each one's thought processes and actions are appropriate for a child of that particular age.


message 20: by Shannon (new)

Shannon  (shannoncb) I believe, Sandi, that you can get Dany's story in a novella. At least, I read inside this book that he published it that way and it won an award, but I don't know if it's still available. The publisher might have pulled it when the series was published?


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Derek | 20 comments Well, it was Ned. Now Jon is my favorite. I love how he is being portrayed in a "rags to riches" fashion, becoming important while the rest of the world looks down on him.

Least favorite POV is Sansa, but my least favorite character is Joffrey. He is just cruel and tyrannical.


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³Ü°ù´ÇÅ¡ (thrinidir) | 2 comments After book one the character that bothered me the most was Sansa and Dany. But that changed later...


message 23: by Allie (new)

Allie One of the things I love about GRRM's characters are that they do grow and change so much throughout the series. And that some of the most un-likeable characters are the most likeable somehow, because they make for the most interesting reading. For example, Tyrion and Jaime. I have such love/hate relationships with both of them.

Jon Snow and Arya have been my favourites all the way through, though. And, the direwolves. My kingdom for a direwolf!


message 24: by Shannon (new)

Shannon  (shannoncb) I wonder whether we're meant to make any links between Sansa losing her direwolf and her being such a crappy character? I couldn't help but wonder how she'd have turned out if she'd been able to keep Lady. Probably no different but...


message 25: by [deleted user] (last edited Jun 09, 2008 05:16PM) (new)

Here's a proposal (Though I'm not sure I buy it.): Maybe Lady's death is the symbolic consequence of Sansa's turning against her family.


message 26: by Shannon (new)

Shannon  (shannoncb) You mean, Sansa's not a real Stark, doesn't have the honour and loyalty of the others, hence she didn't deserve to have a direwolf?


message 27: by [deleted user] (new)

I refer to the fact that she betrayed her sister and her family's honor by not testifying. Immediately afterward, the novelist--instead of the head of her family--punished her.
Each of the Starks has their own personality, so I wouldn't say that she doesn't belong. Martin might have thought of it that way, though.


message 28: by [deleted user] (new)

Where are you getting the notion that Sansa's a victimized tool of her family? We see the sisters being treated similarly by a strict governess and an indulgent father. Yet they are completely different. Sansa's relation to the world would thus seem to be innate, not beaten into her.

Her betrayal is the result of life [or the author, if you prefer] placing her in a situation where she would fail. This is a recurring theme throughout the book. Ned, Vyserys, and Arya all fail in situations that might not trouble someone with a different personality.

I agree that Ned's betrothal of Sansa is more than a little twisted and that Lady's death could also be symbolic of that.


message 29: by Ty (new)

Ty | 10 comments **SPOILERS**

Favourite character? One of them for me would have to be Stannis. He is self-righteous and inflexible. He comes off as an arrogant, uptight jerk. And, later on in the series, he is in danger of becoming a puppet.

But, if you think about it, he is the only pretender to the throne to act like a King and put his forces where the danger is, despite suffering some colossal reversals of fortune. Hope things work out well for Stannis, but I'm not counting on it.


message 30: by John (new)

John | 129 comments I'm a little slow in my re-reading, and just read the scene where Lady is killed, and I just don't see any indication that any of the Starks are to blame. "'Lady wasn't there,' Arya shouted angrily. 'You leave her alone.'" Ned pleads several times with Robert and only kills Lady himself because he doesn't want the cruel headsman Payne doing it. By the end of the scene we also see that he wants the wolf taken back to Winterfell and buried, so that Cersei can't get any satisfaction out of her victory. Nowhere in there are the Starks not loyal to her.

As for betrothing her to Joffrey, remember several things: 1) Ned was against it at first 2) Joffrey is a Baratheon, not a Lannister (sort of). Point being, he's Ned's best friend's son, not simply "a good match," though from *her* perspective, he seems like the best match ever (until she actually gets to know him).


message 31: by [deleted user] (new)

John,
Point 2 is a major mitigation, isn't it? From his point of view, it might be justified, but not from mine.

You've addressed Ned and Arya's complicity or lack thereof, but can you exculpate Sansa?


message 32: by KristenR (new)

KristenR (klrenn) | 124 comments My thought about Lady being killed is that it wasn't necessary...I don't think Cersei was talking about the direwolf when she said "We have a wolf" I think she was talking about Arya's friend, the little boy she was play fighting with (and who was killed by The Hound.) I felt like Sansa's betrayal of her father was preceded by a betrayal by her father.

And I really think Sansa thought her actions were right...she thought she could stay betrothed to Joffrey and save her father.

She was naive about the political matters because she was a little girl who had been groomed to be a little lady, and the only person to talk to her when the shit hit the fan was Cersei who was 'nice' to her, and Sansa wanted to please her.

Hehe...here I am defending her character when early on in this thread I said she was my least favorite. I guess I feel like I understand her character....but I didn't enjoy reading the chapters from her POV.


message 33: by Sandi (new)

Sandi (sandikal) Gosh, I can't believe all the Sansa hate. I kind of thought she was the most realistic character in the whole book. She's an eleven year old girl and she thinks and acts just like the eleven year old girl I was and almost every eleven year old girl I've known would have. She's just a little girl! It's Arya that's not a typical little girl. I'm not saying that she's not authentic. She does think and act like a child her age; she's just not thinking and acting like a typical little girl.


message 34: by John (new)

John | 129 comments Thomas, which point were you designating point two? And I don't suppose I was really trying to exculpate Sansa. If anything, my point was that she betrayed them and not vice versa: she didn't side with her sister and--probably more importantly--she didn't tell the truth. Of course, no one *knew* that except for Arya. We might think of it as a sort of cosmic justice (or authorial justice) since the agent of that "justice," Cersei, wasn't looking for real justice, just revenge for her child being hurt, without either understanding or caring that her son's a lying little... um, boy.

Kristen, it seems pretty clear in the text that she's talking about Lady. Clegane and his men don't come back with the boy's body until *after* Ned kills Lady, so Cersei couldn't have been saying they had him.

Incidentally, I absolutely agree that she was well-written. But just because she's believably and I can understand why she does the things she does, and can agree with Kristen that shewas doing what she thought was right, it doesn't mean I have to *like* her. :)

When I was first following these discussions before starting to re-read the book, I too was a bit surprised by the hatred of Catelyn. As I was reading the book again, though, it's easy enough to see why people could dislike her. If nothing else, she's a complete witch to Jon Snow, who most of us absolutely love. She's just not very sympathetic in the early going, and it can be hard to get over an initial dislike of a character.


message 35: by [deleted user] (new)

This is what I was referring to as 2: "Point being, he's Ned's best friend's son"


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bluespacething | 6 comments I just finished reading this today. I think my two favorite characters are Jon Snow and Arya. They both grew quite a bit throughout the story.

My least favorite is probably Joffrey. It just seems like his actions are taken with just himself in mind, not the good of the people or the realm.


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Jon (jonmoss) | 889 comments My favorite characters? Eddard, Jon and Arya. Most of the rest I detested. So glad I can move on to a different book now.


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Andy (oncemorewithfeeling) | 5 comments Where to begin? I really like the Starks and their bannermen, the idea of rustic, noble northerners has always been a favorite of mine. The best heavy role goes to the Cleganes, both the Hound of Lannister and the Mountian-that-rides. I love them. I definately like Jon Snow.


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Kelly Linzey (poets_quill) I like Arya.. and Jon Snow... All the Stark kids are pretty interesting... but I don't like how the wolfs seem to disappear and not come back again... I'm into the 4th book and still no real wolf action.


Most disliked character.... The queen Joffery and little finger. Theres just something warped about all three of them.


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John Beachem | 50 comments I know it's unbelievable to say that I actualy LIKE this character, but I find Sandor Clegane to be the most fascinating in the series. I also like Tyrion Lannister, Stannis Baratheon, Littlefinger (just because he's so damned smart) and Arya Stark.

I despise Cersei Lannister and Roose Bolton.


message 41: by Axis (new)

Axis | 1 comments Jon Snow, Arya, Tyrion, and Eddard are quite interesting. I admire Jon's strength, Arya's tomboyishness, Tyrion's humor (also kind of feel sorry for him), and Eddard's honor.

For a bit of the time while reading the book, I loathed Sansa, but by the end, I really pitied her. I'm assuming that in the following book she'll have been put through a lot (though I have yet to read it).

Cersei I also despised, like most of the other posters had. What made her so loathesome is her insulting of Sansa (spoken through Joffrey) after all those events in the book.

There are some other characters that are both awesome/terrible, but identifying them would spoil the book....


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Roshio | 7 comments Hmm I would say my favourite character is Jaime Lannister, I'm on 'A feast of crows now' and I just adore him, I keep rooting for him. ("Hear me roar!!") Next two favourites are Jon and Tyrion
Characters I hated were Cersei (i see most people are with me on this) and then Catelyn. I really really did not like her. Next Dany, I do enjoy reading her story but part of me hopes she fails.


message 43: by Tek (new)

Tek | 10 comments My favorites and least favorites have swayed as I read through the series. The ones that have stayed at the top are Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister. I feel like Ive liked those two since the moment I met them. Arya Stark wouldve been up there, but her chapters in Feast for Crows left me a little...wanting. Jaime became one of my favorites once we got a little more insight into his personality, and when he started acting a little more like a decent human being. The Hound, Syrio Forrel, and Jaquen H'gar are some of my favorite secondary characters.

Some of my least favorites are Cersei Lannister and Joffrey Baratheon. I find myself disliking Ser Mormont more each day too.


message 44: by Greyweather (last edited Jul 22, 2010 05:37PM) (new)

Greyweather | 231 comments Definitely Tyrion Lannister is my favorite. Every chapter is funnier and more interesting when he is in it.

The character who I was most surprised to like by the end of the book is Sandor Clegane, the Hound. I started off thinking he was a complete bastard, but in the end he might be the most human character in the book.

I hate Joffrey Baratheon with a fiery passion, and doubt anyone wonders why. Cersei Lannister is a close second, and Viserys Targaryen is a close third. Viserys would rank higher if he wasn't so pathetic. Jaime Lannister is a pretty despicable character as well, but he at least has the excuse of being a complete sociopath.

I don't particularly care about Jon Snow one way or another. I get the feeling that GRRM wrote him as a character I was supposed to like, but it just isn't happening.


message 45: by Weenie (new)

Weenie | 99 comments In this particular book, love Ned Stark and Jon Snow, hate Joffrey and Lysa.

Love Jaime and Tyrion, hate Sansa and Cersei in the other books.


message 46: by James (new)

James | 1 comments Can't stand Joffrey. And I have no love for Catelyn. She should be a sympathetic character, so maybe it's George's fault for writing her in a way I don't like.

Love Jon and Tyrion, and beginning to really like the Hound. I also think Varys is a great character, and want to see him featured more.

I don't understand the Cersei venom. She's more of an understandable mother character to me than Catelyn is. And Sansa is a very interesting character, at least beyond the first book.


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Mariah (caelesti) | 46 comments Honestly I read this years back and don't remember some of the characters too well. But here goes: I think my favorite was probably Arya- strong and resourceful. I also like Jon Snow- always sympathize with the underdog. I agree Sansa is a fairly realistic depiction of an 11-yr old even is she was annoying. Tyrion was also interesting, added some spice.

Cersei is a great villain- I like a good villain, find archetypal Darth Vader type characters boring.

Viserys I disliked- spoiled brat, reminds me of Draco Malfoy in Harry Potter. Hated Danerys' husband for how he treated her. Also didn't like Cersei & Tyrion's other brother, can't remember his name.
One of the best things about this book is the gritty realism- the romanticized fantasy gets old. I find some the violence hard to read though.


message 48: by Karen (last edited Mar 15, 2011 01:02PM) (new)

Karen (meaninglessname) At first I really liked Jon Snow because he was torn between wanting to be a good guy and being the bastard of Eddard Stark, but he became stereotypically more and more of the hero character and reflected Ned more than any other son or daughter. I still like him, but he's too perfect.

I really like Ned and how hard it it always is for him to do what's right, but he does it anyway and suffers through it.

Even though Robert was drunk and closed his eyes off to the things that were wrong in the world, he was so jolly and funny and perverted. It was awesome. I was so sad when he passed on.

At first Daenerys got on my nerves, but now I love her. Her character development throughout the book was phenomenal. She and Khal Drogo are the cutest couple ever. I love when Khal Drogo "crowned" Viserys, so to speak. Hahaha. I hated Viserys. He was so pathetic and annoying.

And I like Bran. Poor crippled Bran...

But my favorite character is probably Tyrion Lannister. He's so clever and charismatic, and he's always using what he has instead of letting his flaws bring him down. He is seriously badass.

I absolutely HATE Cersei. Martin is really good at creating a villain, because I just detest her.

Also, I don't think any character could get on my nerves more than Lysa Stark and her son Robert. They are the most annoying characters in existence of any novel I've read so far. Martin is seriously good at making SUPER different characters.

Oh, and though Littlefinger always makes me laugh with his unbelievably crude perverted-ness, I hate how immoral and selfish he is. He's always looking out for number one... stupid butthole.


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Brad (judekyle) | 1607 comments I'm not far enough yet to make any genuine comments on the characters, but I really dig Tyrion and Ned and Catelyn so far. Hope it holds


message 50: by [deleted user] (last edited Apr 19, 2011 02:39AM) (new)

My favourtie characters after finishing the first book is:

1. Jon Snow, I really like his personality and think its more to him than meets the eye

2. Eddard Stark, Really good personality with the will to wanting to protect his loved ones and doing the right things, not out of selfishness but for the good of his people and land. (view spoiler)

3. Arya Stark, She dosnt let people push her around and has a strong will and determination

4. Danerys for her strong will and character. There is just something special about her, and im looking forward to keep reading about her

I really dont like Cersei Lannister, Joffrey and Caitelynns sister


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