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Does anybody else hate Simon?
I blame Ms. Clare for making Jace as hot as she did. Maybe no one will be good enough for him in my mind, lmao.
I thinik Clary has very good qualities which why Jace fell for her She walked into the storage room that first day it took courage
she tried to help that guy she didnt even know shes very brave
she walkes into the vampire hotel for simon a
Goes to Renwicks to save her Mother and Jace
she does soooooo much more in the others as well she faces valenine and when she was going to be killed see just stared the other way and accepted it she couldnt move so even in her last seconds she showed diffance tword him
then even after watching the love of her life die she still showed strenged by draging herself all the way over to the runes and pretty much saving everone
she does so much i could keep going i skipped sooooooooooooooo much
thats the reason why Jace loves here she really is something and SHE IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS
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Finally, *sighs in relief* other people who CANNOT STAND SIMON!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially since Jace is there in comparison...
I HAVE TO POST BECAUSE THIS TOPIC HAS 666 POSTS....and I like Simon :)
Stacia (ridiculously repetitive) wrote: "I probably rant this one a lot, but Jace is portrayed as this "larger than life, avenging angel type" that can get any girl on the planet because of both his looks and attitude.So who does he f..."
Clary is beautiful is Jace's eyes. Just because she's not a tall, long legged Isabelle-like girl doesn't mean she isn't pretty. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder IMO. This is coming from a girl whose been told she looks too young and is only a little taller than Clary!
Carly wrote: "the problem with clary is she doesn't compare to people like Katniss (The Hunger Games). Clary is so wimpy"
Nut you have to remember, Clary didn't grow up the way Katniss did. Katniss learned from day one to kill or be killed. Clary grew up as a normal human girl, just like the rest of us. Could you do what Katniss did in THG? Probably not (that's a good thing, not an insult) and I know I certainly couldn't. I agree with Evelyn, I happen to love Clary and I think she has some great qualities. Besides, Katniss always came off as a little too brutal to me. I know I sound lik eI'm contradicting myself now, but I just mean as I was reading THG I thought she was a little to quick to kill and didn't seem at all contrite about the fact that she had just murdered another teenager.
I like Simon just fine. I never really saw him as a contender for Clary's affections, more of a distraction than anything, but I still like him.
Candace wrote: "I like Simon just fine. I never really saw him as a contender for Clary's affections, more of a distraction than anything, but I still like him."Agreed 100%. Simon was never a threat to the Jace/Clary romance for me.
Exactly :). Maybe that's why I like him, because I can see him as a character, rather than a threat.
Incidentally, I've been thinking about something recently, in the realms of double-standards. When I read Jace's 'passionate embrace', my heart fell and I just felt like Clary, like I'd been slapped in the face. But when Clary was kissing Simon (and I bet they were making out a lot longer than Jace and Aline, even though a few of Aline's buttons were undone) I didn't even really think about it. In fact, I thought it was kind of cute the way she described kissing Simon; "It was a gentle sort of pleasant, like lying in a hammock on a summer day with a book and a glass of lemonade." It’s weird how I was totally okay with that, but heartbroken over Jace and Aline. But I think the main reason for that is because with Clary, you knew 100% that she only wanted Jace because a big portion of the book is told from her perspective. Jace was a little more mysterious. I knew Jace wanted Clary, but I guess, since you didn’t get to see as much of the book (emotions-wise) from his perspective, it was hard to really make sense of his motives.
Oh, and I was so aggravated the first time I read CoG, and Simon noticed Jace playing with Aline’s fingers right after they got to Idris. Maybe I’m just too tender-hearted, but when I read that, I kept thinking, “You bastard. What about Clary?� even though I *knew* he wasn’t really supposed to be thinking about Clary (at least not while he thought they were related :P. It all worked out, though . . . for now.
Incidentally, I've been thinking about something recently, in the realms of double-standards. When I read Jace's 'passionate embrace', my heart fell and I just felt like Clary, like I'd been slapped in the face. But when Clary was kissing Simon (and I bet they were making out a lot longer than Jace and Aline, even though a few of Aline's buttons were undone) I didn't even really think about it. In fact, I thought it was kind of cute the way she described kissing Simon; "It was a gentle sort of pleasant, like lying in a hammock on a summer day with a book and a glass of lemonade." It’s weird how I was totally okay with that, but heartbroken over Jace and Aline. But I think the main reason for that is because with Clary, you knew 100% that she only wanted Jace because a big portion of the book is told from her perspective. Jace was a little more mysterious. I knew Jace wanted Clary, but I guess, since you didn’t get to see as much of the book (emotions-wise) from his perspective, it was hard to really make sense of his motives.
Oh, and I was so aggravated the first time I read CoG, and Simon noticed Jace playing with Aline’s fingers right after they got to Idris. Maybe I’m just too tender-hearted, but when I read that, I kept thinking, “You bastard. What about Clary?� even though I *knew* he wasn’t really supposed to be thinking about Clary (at least not while he thought they were related :P. It all worked out, though . . . for now.
I actually like the way you observed the whole double standard thing. There's a good chance that many of us felt the same way while reading those encounters.Sometimes I think the reason why it seems so much more harsh when a guy cheats (not that Jace technically cheated) is because in a lot of cases (not all - don't jump on me for being stereotypical), the guy is already thinking two steps ahead to how he's going to move the train along further...whereas a girl -especially one like Clary that hasn't had a lot of boyfriends/sexual experiences yet- might be happy just focusing on the simplicity and joy of the present moment.
*edit* Yes, we found out after the fact that Jace wasn't really wanting to hook up with that other girl, but upon first reading the scene where he had unbuttoned her shirt, none of us really knew where his head was and many of us probably jumped to conclusions.
Stacia (ridiculously repetitive) wrote: "I actually like the way you observed the whole double standard thing. There's a good chance that many of us felt the same way while reading those encounters.Sometimes I think the reason why it..."
For me, I felt the same way. Angry over Jace's "betrayal" and fine with Simon and Clary. But mostly it's because they had just found out they were brother and sister and I knew she'd get together with Simon after that had happened. I knew he'd be her distraction until Jace and Clary worked things out.
But when Jace hooked up with Aline in CoG I was stunned b/c I had not seen it coming AT ALL.
i love simon hes amazing as a human and a vampire XXD the so amazing i would totally tap that lol along with jace and even if alex is gay i would tap them all XXD lol
Candace (Amare Infinitum) wrote: "Exactly :). Maybe that's why I like him, because I can see him as a character, rather than a threat.Incidentally, I've been thinking about something recently, in the realms of double-standards..."
i think that depends on who u relate/like because it was the same for me but backword i was upset when clary was with Simon but i was laughing when the whole aline jace thing took place i really knew that Jace loved Clary above all else hes never even liked anyone else Clary seemed to really want it to work with Simon i new Jace was just Jace
i joined this group JUST so i could diss simon. ok, here goes.
I hated him from the start. Like, my friend was all like, "he's funny!" and I just wanted to barf. Like the first words that came out of his mouth and I was done with him. And Jace came along and of COURSE I fell in love with him. And of COURSE Clary should be with him, duh! But, no.
And then he goes and dies and I stopped reading the book, and said a little thank you to Miss Cassandra when whaddya know, he's back again! And Clary's all "yay!" about that and Jace is jealous and I'm going, "I'm still here Jace!!"
And as you know Simon gets himself 95% dead and then he pops back up and Clary is all, "yippee!" and by now I'm starting to get a little bored. XD
I hated him from the start. Like, my friend was all like, "he's funny!" and I just wanted to barf. Like the first words that came out of his mouth and I was done with him. And Jace came along and of COURSE I fell in love with him. And of COURSE Clary should be with him, duh! But, no.
And then he goes and dies and I stopped reading the book, and said a little thank you to Miss Cassandra when whaddya know, he's back again! And Clary's all "yay!" about that and Jace is jealous and I'm going, "I'm still here Jace!!"
And as you know Simon gets himself 95% dead and then he pops back up and Clary is all, "yippee!" and by now I'm starting to get a little bored. XD
hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahai know never liked him
Victoria wrote: "i joined this group JUST so i could diss simon. ok, here goes.I hated him from the start. Like, my friend was all like, "he's funny!" and I just wanted to barf. Like the first words that came o..."
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i don't like Simon that much, but i think she added him in there to add more characters and more perspectives. he gives the book a little fluster and makes the other characters hate him, it also gets pretty funny in some parts.
hes part of the story but that dosent stop me from hating him
Simon does't deserve quite so much hate, just annoyance at the fact that he's always in the way...
i heard Simon is going to be in City of Fallen Angels a lot so that might suck for you, haha.
and as long as there is a lot of Jace simon is unimportant to me :]
Stacia wrote: "I'm actually surprised that no one has complained about Clary.I adore Jace and rooted for the relationship between him and Clary simply because it meant more reading time centered on Jace, but ..."
Haha, I agree completely. Clary is pretty annoying. Definitely a Mary Sue. >_<
Ahhh this topic is so old. I actually love Simon now, too. After I read the series three times I changed my mind. :D ... Although, of course, I am still Team Jace.
Still hate simon Jace will always be the bestAnd Clary is not a mary-sue she is quite awesome in my opinion she's a very strong character
Eh, she doesn't really do much ... except occasionally draw a magic thingie that makes everything explode. Other than that, she seems to mostly sit around and watch all the action.
HATE SIMON?! Hate Simon?! Are you kidding me!!!? I love Simon. I really hate jace! Simon was and always will be my favourite character. <3 <3 <3
Hate Jace? Those words don't belong in a sentence together. (Unless there's an "I do not" in front of them :P) lol
yeah Jace is cool i don't hate him, but i do love Simon =)
i really really really really REALLY dislike simon with all thats in me. I just want him to disappear out of the books!! he is an annoying little rat & the only time i ever liked him is when he WAS a damn rat.when i first read CoB i though he wasnt gonna be important but when clary told him about everything in lukes backyard im like WHY DOES THIS CHARACTER EVEN EXIST?
ugh so no you dont stand alone, i dont think anybody hates him more than i do. i cant believe Cassandra Clare said he was one of her favorites character to write about & the 4th book will also center on him. I AM NOT READING IT.
he should have stayed as an annoying mundane & everybody would have been happy. but no.....! im just waiting for when he dies (he already did in the world of my mind)
i love Simon and Jace. They are both so awesome in their own ways. Simon is the funny, akward, nerdy best friend while Jace is the dark, sexy funny bad boy. I absolutely love Simon though!! hes one of my favourite characters
that's not actually why he can't die, vampires can be killed in MI! the reason Simon can't get killed or die is cause he has the Mark of Cain on him
Queen Jenna the Super Awesome wrote: "HATE SIMON?! Hate Simon?! Are you kidding me!!!? I love Simon. I really hate jace! Simon was and always will be my favourite character. <3 <3 <3"OMG. You hate Jace?! You're the first person I know who hates Jace! Why? Why do you hate him? Gosh, I'm so curious. XD I wonder what it's like from a Jace-Hater point of view.
I'm a Simon fan girl. I love both. And...about the Clary thing, I hate her. She is abit to oblivious. She would have known earlier about his love if she DID spend time with Simon. Besides, hating Simon?No way. I mean, see it out of his pov. Wouldn't you dislike ANYONE at first if you loved this one girl that you devoted your ENTIRE friendship to for years just to have her love someone else, a person she met just days earlier? I wouldn't like that much. Also, he does way more than Clary, he SAVED some of them with his skills. Clary SHOULD have done that herself cause she saw it first. Also, he brung every Vampire together to help for that moment. He risked his happiness just for that. The mark of cain. I would be happy. Also, he saved Clary AND Jace in CoG when they were attacked by Sebastion, he ran away to not see Hodge's blood then came back and stranged/bit into him. He saved the Lightwoods, he coulda died from starvation cause he stayed in the cell. He doesn't hate Jace, believe me, he woulda drained him dry if he did, he woulda tattled on Jace, but no, he didn't. And in the end they were friends. Besides, without Simon, Jace has no best friend to hate. It's like a Stewe without a Brian! IT CAN'T WORK!
LOOOOOOVE SIMON! He's funny and you know he isn't going to get Clary in the end, so you feel bad for him. Still, even after the vampire thing (which would have made most people evil blood suckers) Simon was still Simon...Because he rocks! I can't wait to read book FOUR!(:(:(:greenplanet:):):)
City of Fallen Angels is really good. I loved Simon in it.
Simon is one of my favourite characters from the whole series
I do love Simon, just differently. He seems to be getting the shaft though in the latest book. Hopefully he'll end up with some sort of happy ending. But.....I LOVE Jace more!!
Carey wrote: "I do love Simon, just differently. He seems to be getting the shaft though in the latest book. Hopefully he'll end up with some sort of happy ending. But.....I LOVE Jace more!!"
well, maybe he's getting the shaft through all 4 books. ;)
How does ANYONE hate Simon. I'm still unsure WHY no one hates Clary. And who ever says Clary is not a sue, has to read what a Mary Sue is. She does nothing [Okay, she killed 1 demon. so what?]in the series. She gets these powers which make her better apparently than all the other characters. Who ever did say she is loyal? Hadn't you noticed how many times she ditches him? How many times she lets her friends degrade Simon by calling him "Mundane, Bloodsucker, leech, daylighter, ect?" I'm sure he hates that. The only reason why you all hate him is because 'He gets in the way of Jace and Clary'. [I read that previous comments]If you can call Clary very strong, how come Simon can't be considered strong? He's been through more troubles than she has. [Fallen Angels.] He loses his mother, his father, his religion, his own life, his love, his passion. Now he has his own issues and everyone hates him. Clary shouldn't be made a main character.
Nini wrote: "How does ANYONE hate Simon. I'm still unsure WHY no one hates Clary. And who ever says Clary is not a sue, has to read what a Mary Sue is. She does nothing [Okay, she killed 1 demon. so what?]in th..."I've always hated Clary since I read CoA and always loved Simon from the first chapter in CoB
i dont think id even love the series of simon wasnt in it, id like it but it wouldnt be one of my favourites. I LOVE SIMON <3
magnus= favejace= luv him cos he's sarcastic/intese and caring
alec= had a huge crush on
izzy= thought she was a cow but really like her now
clary= think she's awesome, she's my fave girl character
simon= love him, reminds me of... well, me and love how he's a vampire
maia= like her alot :) she's kooool
jordan(kyle)= thought he sounded hot and think he deffinitly deserves maia
jocylen= thought she was controlling, but for good reasons
luke= he's pure awesome in a flannel shirt
valentine= hate him
sebastian= hothothot but evil which somehow makes him even hotter
yeah just casually giving my opinion on characters :)
So who does he fall for? He falls for someone that looks like a little girl, fights like a little girl, and doesn't really have any great or distinctive qualities about her other than she's loyal to her friends/family.
People would say : But...but...she showed him love when no one else did! True, I'll give you that, but he was into her way before this happened. He was chasing her down pretty much right after he met her.
I just want my heroines to have "something". An "it" factor if you will. If the girl isn't attractive she needs to be badass. If she's not attractive or badass, she needs to have talents or standout qualities.