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Jul 02, 2013 10:21PM

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I know mine sure did. For me, the words on the page have always shaped pictures and scenes in my head. It was not until I began to write and really study the mechanics of writing that I could see a semblance of the actual structure of a novel's construction.
Now when I read I notice the stumbles, the percieved faults in that structure that prevent the story from engaging me. Quite often this is bad filtering, POV shifting, or omniscient exposition. These things never bothered me before (and they still don't if they are treated well and done to a minimum).
Anyhow, I just wanted to compare notes with other writers. Also if you are a reader only, have you always noticed these or similar issues in the books you read?

My patience with a multiple best selling author has gone down though if they overuse certain tropes instead of coming up with better ways to move stories along. Things like falling back on a woman being raped either to make her strong or to give the man in her life a reason to on a rampage is really low. Their are so many more creative ways to accomplish those things.
I have a list if 10-15 tropes that I've asked my husband and publisher to make sure I never use as they are overused and boring at this point in my genre.


I'm a professional reviewer as well, and I do read review copies far more critically than I would read for fun. Reviewing has also taught me that a book may be good, really good, even if it didn't appeal to me personally. I'm grateful for that.

I have to say that, in the same way, I get put off by re-creations of Middle Earth, using the same basic creatures in the same basic way. I never liked elves to start off with, but I tend to try to avoid anything with mystical elves and mining dwarves! Fantasy can do as much as an imagination can dream up, so why stick to those old stereotypes?
I've only just started on the writing path, so I guess I'm more of a reader, and still learning on the writing front. Having said that, I think I've always been a fairly critical reader, and prone to thinking what I would do if it were me writing the story, if you see what I mean. I notice things like typos, but only because I get a little chuckle out of it - I don't see the odd little mistake like that as a major issue at all, as long as it isn't every page, because I can see how easy it is for it to happen (and more so since I started writing). A lack of grasp of language and grammar annoys me far more, as does an issue that seems to be increasingly common - trying to write to create a 'franchise', written in a style that is obviously all ready to be made into a movie, rather than concentrating on writing an actual book with interesting and/or beautiful language in it.
I don't think anything much has changed on that since I started writing, but since I've only just started writing, only time will tell!





My reading covers a lot more ground, but my first love is fantasy, and I have no plans of writing outside of that.


I still get lost in the stories, but have less patience for laziness, and edition issues jump at me (of course this does not mean I don´t need an editor myself).



It's just one of those things that I never seem to get around to doing. I read things all the time and kick myself, thinking "Man, I should have thought of that!"
That is interesting that writing changes your ability to read for pleasure. I would hate to lose my ability to enjoy reading!

A tiny recommendation if it didn´t work so far. Find out if you work better with an outline or free falling.
I just let the hands decide what to write about, and follow.
Some other people feel lost without an outline. If you are one of them, it is better to resolve the main arc first.
I didn´t stop enjoying reading. Just got more picky.

Funnily enough, I often find myself reading things quite different from what I write - it helps keep the mind fresh.


writing is a skill but everyone seems to think they can do it. They cannot.

writing is a skill but everyone seems to think they can do it. They..."
I once read a manuscript for an agent, that was written by his fellow agent. Really bad. The guy may have known a good book when he read one but he couldn't do it himself.

Marc wrote: "Bev wrote: "Reader only. Too many would be writers who self publish. Ig is hatd go get a decent ebook these days due to so much bad writing.
writing is a skill but everyone seems to think they can..."
Exactly everyone should have a dream but some are just deluded.


Writers enjoy the experience but readers just want to read a good book, not analyse the writkng style. I dont need to respect the writer just enjoy the end result.

Back to screen writing, like for A Song of Ice and Fire, did GRRM write the screenplays? or were they written by someone else? Sorry if this is totally out of context, but is writing for the screen anything like writing a novel?


Writers enjoy the experience but readers just want to read a good book, not analyse the writkng style. I don..."
Perhaps I should have said, "It will improve you as a lover of the language." ;-)
When I get into a >good< book I get lost in the story and don't even notice the words anymore.

Thanks for that, didn't think I'd get a reply so soon! A bit shocking, I never really thought of who wrote what until I saw this thread.

That is a great point. If I read to diagnose, it takes a lot of the fun out of it for me, even if I do learn something. When I read for enjoyment, I tune out the technical aspects and, unless it is something written poorly enough to distract, simply immerse myself in the story and enjoy the tale.
I love writing, but love reading for its own sake. They are two sides of the Storytelling coin.


Can a book not just be a good read?

Ultimately though, if I was forced to choose, I'd rather write.

Its great to see loads of people here also write.

I'm too fond of reading books to care to write them.- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray
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Times ared bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book.-Marcus Tullius Cicero
Whenever you find yourself on the side of majority, it's time to pause and reflect.-Mark Twain


I read mostly fantasy, but inbetween every fantasy novel I squeeze a non-fiction one, a classic or something from another genre. Diversity is vital. :)
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