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Walden by Henry David Thoreau
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Thoreau and I have an essential difference of philosophy: I am an Epicurean, and he's an asshole.

A puritan may go to his brown-bread crust with as gross an appetite as ever an alderman to his turtle. Not that food which entereth into the mouth defileth a man, but the appetite with which it is eaten. It is neither the quality nor the quantity, but the devotion to sensual savors.




Walden has some great moments. I appreciate that Thoreau was not just the original hippie, but the original of a particularly cool kind of hippie: the practical kind. I grew up around people like this in Western Mass - people who were really running small farms, building their own shit, forging their own ways - hippies with skills, as opposed to the groovy kind. They're a terrific sort of people. Doing the stuff of life yourself is great.

And I've always loved that most famous quote, "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." No matter what's going on for me, it makes me feel good. When things aren't going well, it makes me feel less alone. When things are going great it makes me feel smugly superior, and that's nice too.

I heart introverts
I liked parts of the Solitude chapter. Everyone's probably heard this quote:
To be in company, even with the best, is soon wearisome and dissipating. I love to be alone. I never found the companion that was so companionable as solitude.
But here's a passage I like even more:
We meet at very short intervals, not having had time to acquire any new value for each other. We meet at meals three times a day,and give each other a new taste of that old musty cheese that we are. We have had to agree on a certain set of rules, called etiquette and politeness, to make this frequent meeting tolerable and that we need not come to open war.
Ha..."give each other a new taste of that old musty cheese that we are." Awesome.

And he doesn't fuck around
My edition includes On Civil Disobedience, wherein Thoreau - who, as you may know, went to jail for refusing to pay his taxes in protest of the criminal Mexican War - does some pretty fire and brimstone shit:
When a whole country is unjustly overrun and conquered by a foreign army, and subjected to military laws, I think that it is not too soon for honest men to rebel and revolutionize. What makes this duty so much more urgent is the fact that the country so overrun is not our own, but ours is the invading army...Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it. It is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority. There is but little virtue in the action of masses of men.
Kinda makes you feel like a wiener, still complaining about Al Gore, right? Thoreau was a badass.

But he's sortof obnoxious
I think one thing that bugs me is, he's constantly banging on about how easy life would be if everyone just did like he did. And partly, as he says himself, that's because he "simplifies" - he gives up almost every luxury, so it's much easier to meet his needs. I don't think he even has the internet, so that alone saves him like $40 a month. But partly it strikes me as dishonest.

There's a smugness about Walden that puts me off. It's particularly grating in the Baker Farm chapter, where he lectures a poor guy with a wife and three kids about how much easier life would be if they just did it Thoreau's way. And I was like a) what if this dude thinks his kids should eat anything besides beans? and b) if you get cold you just go to your mom's house for the weekend, so your whole shtick is a little bit disingenuous, homie. Thoreau has a big safety net. Even the land he's living on is borrowed from Emerson. The poor Irish guy has no such advantages.

There may be a reason for his weirdness. My book club got in a long and interesting discussion of whether Thoreau may have had Asperger's Syndrome. More on that and and if you Google "Thoreau Asperger's" you'll find plenty more. There's even a whole book called Writers on the Spectrum: How Autism and Asperger Syndrome Have Influenced Literary Writing that throws in Dickinson, Yeats and Melville for good measure. I don't consider myself qualified to have an opinion about this, but it's a fun thing to bring up at your next dinner party.

And he's pretty long-winded
I mean, at one point towards the end he goes on for like five pages about sand. "I feel as if I were nearer to the vitals of the globe, for this sandy overflow is something such a foliaceous mass as the vitals of the animal body." Whaaaat the fuck, Thoreau, shut up.

So it's tough to know what to make of this book.
I rarely enjoyed reading it, but I underlined like half of it. (Okay, sometimes it was just so I wouldn't forget what an asshole he is.) He's often right, but always annoying. There's a lot going on here, and much of it is worthwhile, but I can't exactly recommend it to you, because I doubt you'll like it. I didn't. I respected it. But I didn't like it.
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Reading Progress

August 3, 2014 – Started Reading
August 3, 2014 – Shelved
August 3, 2014 –
20.0% "RL Stevenson calls this "womanish solicitude; for there is something unmanly, something almost dastardly" about it.

dastardly."
August 3, 2014 –
20.0% "BTW, Boston Globe article about Thoreau the pyro:
"
August 13, 2014 – Shelved as: 2014
August 13, 2014 – Finished Reading
January 2, 2015 – Shelved as: rth-lifetime

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Jason Where did you grow up in Western Mass?


Sasha Amherst! With a brief but formative stop in a converted barn in Northfield.


message 3: by Jason (last edited Aug 13, 2014 07:34AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Jason Did you end up going to UMass? I might have asked you this already but I don't remember.

I was just in Shelburne Falls and Charlemont this past weekend, which I think is not too far from Northfield, and it is really beautiful out there. A far cry from the metrowest Worcester–Framingham area that I live in, that's for sure.


Sasha Aw, awesome! My mom lived in Shelburne Falls for ten years, until just last year. (She moved back to Amherst.) Such a beautiful town. We used to go there and swim in the potholes, back when you were allowed to do that.

I left Western Mass after 8th grade, moved to Beverly, never lived there again; I went to college in upstate New York. Why, did you go to UMass?


Jason Why isn't that allowed anymore? Is it dangerous? I did take an inadvertent swim in the Deerfield; that was fun.

Alex wrote: "Why, did you go to UMass?"

No! I wanted a city campus. I went to Northeastern. I lived right on (or just off) Huntington Ave. for almost all of the five years it took me to earn my undergrad.


Sasha Ah, Northeastern, cool school.

Yeah, it was wicked dangerous - there was a lot of jumping off ledges, and a place where you could swim through a hole and out in a different pool. People probably died there all the time. But it was really fun for those of us who survived!

Ha...inadvertent swimming.


Jason The town I live in now has, kind of like Quincy, a bunch of granite quarries. So I get the "danger" aspect. We get at least one serious injury (or death) every year from people—usually high school kids or college freshmen home for the summer—jumping off the ledges into the quarry. So dumb. And sad. But mostly dumb.


Sasha Yeah, so dumb. Man, what kind of idiot high school student would sneak into those quarries, quite possibly while stoned, and jump off a cliff into mystery water?

*cough*

(The ones I frequented were in Rockport, but same idea. Good times.)


Jason Haha, you did too?! I get nervous about stuff like that. Weird, though, different people's perceptions of danger. I have no problem jumping out of an airplane at 10,000 feet but fuck that if you think I'm going to dive off this 20-foot ledge.


Sasha Well, that's because jumping out of the airplane is way, way safer.


Jason I guess, yeah, statistically speaking it is. It just seems like the opposite of what one should do when he is 10,000 feet in the air. But I think your highest risk is like, spraining an ankle or something when you land. As opposed to the compression injuries (or worse!) from quarry diving.

Glad you never died, Alex!


Sasha Me too!


message 13: by Gail (new) - rated it 4 stars

Gail Ooh - I'm disappointed to read about him being smug and obnoxious, because Walden is a book I've been really looking forward to reading (for the whole idea of solitude and simplification), but I suspect from what you've written I'd find him annoying too. :-/ I'll read it anyway though - at least I'm prewarned!


Sasha Yeah, I kinda felt the same way. And again, he says lots of things that are really worthwhile...but I was surprised at how often he really annoyed me. That speech he gives to the poor family is really shitty.


Marian GREAT review, so amusing to read...if only Walden was that amusing! It had me alternately nodding in total agreement and laughing at your astute observations and how descriptively you worded them. My fave quote of YOURS: "Thoreau and I have an essential difference in philosophy. I am an Epicurean, and he is an asshole." If I am being honest, that is tied with "b) if you get cold you just go to your mom's house for the weekend, so your whole schtick is a bit disingenuous, homie." GOD those quotes were so how I have felt over the last few days of struggling through this title...thanks for your take on it. It's validating, and I love validation! :)


Sasha Ha - thanks, Marian! This book was more fun to think about than it was to read. And I love validation too!

Revisiting my review just now, thanks to you, I was reminded that my book club got in a lengthy debate about whether Thoreau may have had Asperger's Syndrome. I updated the review with a couple links about it.


Marian Asperger's; now THAT is an interesting idea...funny, I am actually a mental health professional, yet this idea had not occurred to me yet. I was (so far) thinking more along the lines of Narcissistic Personality Features, but ---one can certainly have both concurrently! :) I am infinitely excited to finish this book; I hope I can slog all the way through by end of this weekend.

Alex wrote: "Ha - thanks, Marian! This book was more fun to think about than it was to read. And I love validation too!

Revisiting my review just now, thanks to you, I was reminded that my book club got in a l..."



Marian Oops, 1 more thing...that book you linked in (Writers On the Spectrum) sounds fascinating. Have just added it to my ever growing (never ending?) "Want to Read" list (which is a bit small on here as I am newer to GoodReads -- but is very large in my bookself itself; overflowing actually!)



Alex wrote: "Ha - thanks, Marian! This book was more fun to think about than it was to read. And I love validation too!

Revisiting my review just now, thanks to you, I was reminded that my book club got in a l..."



message 19: by Sasha (last edited May 05, 2016 12:50PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sasha It SOUNDS interesting, but I'm a little suspicious of it; it has like four reviews, which sometimes indicates "very small press academic press book that will turn out to be zero fun to read." So, like, read at your peril. But let me know if you do!

I feel like Asperger's would only be scratching the surface of whatever was wrong with Emily Dickinson.


message 20: by Cecily (new)

Cecily Gosh, this is a brave review, especially from a USican!


Sasha Ha...yes, well, I'm a hero for our times.


message 22: by Cecily (new)

Cecily I guess the fact the review has survived for 2.5 years - as a have you - is a good sign!


message 23: by Julie (new)

Julie G Alex,
I was choking with laughter, reading this review. My sister read Walden maybe 2 weeks ago and I was out on a hike when she called and was like "WTF? Who was this loser, Thoreau?" I've actually never had an interest in reading it, so I couldn't contribute a useful comment, but now I want to share her review with you and your review with her. This is too funny to me. All of it!
My sister's review: Walden


message 24: by Robin (new)

Robin He's often right, but always annoying.

Thank you Alex, for reading this for me!! (I loved the old musty cheese bit, by the way.)


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Laura I suppose he was the first "civilized" man to say living with the land is not about - poverty, dirt, no other option etc. His ideas were - for the time very radical. To not aspire to material wealth, to not accumulate possession, to not assess oneself or one's fellow in terms of wealth, and the status of dollars etc. BUT yeah I always liked the bit that he just camped out on his friend's property, and went home when he felt like it!! Gentleman philosopher.


message 26: by Joanne (new)

Joanne Fate Now I don't feel so bad that I've never read it. Your review doesn't make me feel like I need to


message 27: by Anne (new)

Anne Oh thank goodness - I was almost afraid to criticize him because he's *sacred* up at home but damn, he was a judging twerp at times.


Sasha Anne wrote: "Oh thank goodness - I was almost afraid to criticize him because he's *sacred* up at home but damn, he was a judging twerp at times."

Oh, you're from Massachusetts too? lol


message 29: by Tg (new) - rated it 5 stars

Tg Listen to it on audiobook--it gives you a different perspective


Sasha Tg wrote: "Listen to it on audiobook--it gives you a different perspective"

Tg, that is a dumb suggestion.


message 31: by Tg (new) - rated it 5 stars

Tg Have you tried it...I have done the book and the Audio..
Walden is a classic...just not for everyone... I get it


message 32: by Ted (new) - added it

Ted Fascinating as you seem to be guilty of everything you loathe about him. Such projection. And such co-opting by mixer “scholarship� dismissive attitudes based on their pet theory on Thoreau. You simply regurgitate brainless dweebs.


Sasha you're not even making sentences, ted


message 34: by Tg (new) - rated it 5 stars

Tg Who is this diatribe directed at ???????


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Sarah love your review, thank you


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