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Flyboys: A True Story of Courage
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My ignorance about the Second World War in the Pacific was shameful, but thanks to this brilliant book that has been to a degree rectified. It presents a marvellous overview not only of crucial events, but of the history leading up to both Japan and America's involvement in that war.
It's a difficult read, purely because the book contains so much about violence and human degradation, but I personally feel these are things I ought to know. In my spoiler I give a very long and thorough synopsis of aspects of the book that particularly interested me (mostly quotes from the book ), and here I just note some of my general feelings after reading it.
"I have forgiven the Japanese. I have Japanese friends. I make it clear that I have respect for the Japanese now because they have changed their attitude. I believe any culture can be indoctrinated into any attitude that the leaders want to teach them"
Quote from Glen Berry, who was on the Bataan Death March, endured two Hell Ships*, and had medical experiments performed on him at Fukuoka prison camp.
Like Barry, I am now convinced that any culture can be indoctrinated into the crazy ideas of its leaders - especially totalitarian cultures, In Japan's case this involved a ferocious commitment to military expansionism, a savage military culture, and this combined with a will never to surrender. The first thing I encountered when reading this book - to my surprise - was a great feeling of pity for the young men who entered and fought in the Japanese army. An overwhelming sorrow for what they had to endure. Yes, the treatment they meted out to prisoners of war was terrible, but their own experiences in the army were terrible too.
The book showed me levels of human depravity that I hadn't realised existed. Man's inhumanity to man can be truly extraordinary. Every society has people who are sadists and enjoy violence. They must be kept out of the army as much as possible, and certainly great efforts should be made to keep them out of senior army posts. They should never be put in charge of soldiers.
Many of the Japanese interviewed after the war showed revulsion and sorrow for acts they had committed during the war.
War is a terrible terrible thing. I was also very shocked by people's experiences of being fire bombed with napalm. It is a ferocious and cruel weapon - in this instance used by the Americans against the Japanese.
I think this is an incredible book, very well written too, and easy to read. I find it hard to read war books, but this had me gripped every inch of the way. Highly recommended.
*Hell ships......
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My ignorance about the Second World War in the Pacific was shameful, but thanks to this brilliant book that has been to a degree rectified. It presents a marvellous overview not only of crucial events, but of the history leading up to both Japan and America's involvement in that war.
It's a difficult read, purely because the book contains so much about violence and human degradation, but I personally feel these are things I ought to know. In my spoiler I give a very long and thorough synopsis of aspects of the book that particularly interested me (mostly quotes from the book ), and here I just note some of my general feelings after reading it.
"I have forgiven the Japanese. I have Japanese friends. I make it clear that I have respect for the Japanese now because they have changed their attitude. I believe any culture can be indoctrinated into any attitude that the leaders want to teach them"
Quote from Glen Berry, who was on the Bataan Death March, endured two Hell Ships*, and had medical experiments performed on him at Fukuoka prison camp.
Like Barry, I am now convinced that any culture can be indoctrinated into the crazy ideas of its leaders - especially totalitarian cultures, In Japan's case this involved a ferocious commitment to military expansionism, a savage military culture, and this combined with a will never to surrender. The first thing I encountered when reading this book - to my surprise - was a great feeling of pity for the young men who entered and fought in the Japanese army. An overwhelming sorrow for what they had to endure. Yes, the treatment they meted out to prisoners of war was terrible, but their own experiences in the army were terrible too.
The book showed me levels of human depravity that I hadn't realised existed. Man's inhumanity to man can be truly extraordinary. Every society has people who are sadists and enjoy violence. They must be kept out of the army as much as possible, and certainly great efforts should be made to keep them out of senior army posts. They should never be put in charge of soldiers.
Many of the Japanese interviewed after the war showed revulsion and sorrow for acts they had committed during the war.
War is a terrible terrible thing. I was also very shocked by people's experiences of being fire bombed with napalm. It is a ferocious and cruel weapon - in this instance used by the Americans against the Japanese.
I think this is an incredible book, very well written too, and easy to read. I find it hard to read war books, but this had me gripped every inch of the way. Highly recommended.
*Hell ships......
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But The Taste Of War World War Two And The Battle For Food is also fascinating on the Japanese army, during the war the expectation was that every soldier had to forage for his own food and then cook it in addition to any fighting they might need to do.

Thank you so much for your thoughtful and detailed answer Jan-Maat.
Firstly though, the only book I can find for The Shock of the Old, and the one you link to, is a book about British architecture, which seems a bit off topic?
Having said that the points you make are extremely interesting, and are not issues raised at all by the author of the book. Although to be fair he did not conclude that the surrender was due to the atom bombs, but due to the firebombing. It was me who put two and two together and came up with five, and decided it must have been the atom bombs. But if it was a in fact a change to the peace terms, then I have got it all wrong. I would be very interested to learn more about this (Preferably in an article, rather than a book!)
I have now deleted my comments from the review concerning the atom bombs, and have added your comments to the review in the spoiler section. See the new heading "Against the dropping of the atom bombs".
The second book you mention sounds absolutely fascinating and is now on my TBR lists. Thank you!

In the book Hiroshima, Hersey writes that after the nuclear bomb was dropped and as people were running out of the city, one thing that struck him was that no one complained. Everyone thought that this was part of war and they had to bear it for the sake of country and emperor. That fact, struck to me to this day.

Hi Dhanaraj, this book made crystal clear the attitudes, values and beliefs of the Japanese citizens. I really think I got an understanding of this. Having said that, I was wondering how I could read a book more from the Japanese perspective, and it may well be that Hersey's Hiroshima is the book I need.

Ah ha, it is here: The Shock of the Old Technology and Global History Since 1900 hiding with its subtitle.
His big argument is what is important is not the most 'modern' technology but the most widely used. Nuclear weapons were hugely and horrifyingly ground breaking from a scientific point of view but in his view less effective than conventional weapons in WWII and that actually even the non-weapon of the blockade was collapsing the Japanese economy in anycase.
He draws some of his discussion of the nuclear weapons from here:
A US bombing survey report from 1946.
But the book generally is asserting that washing machines and the contraceptive pill were more important technologies than Concorde or nuclear weapons in the 20th century.

Ah ha, it is here: ..."
Hum...I think this quote from the document you mention suggests that the atom bomb did have some effect...and from what it says it sounds like the Potsdam Declaration still stood as it had originally (ie I don't think there were any changes to the peace proposals, at least not from an American standpoint).
On 6 August the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and on 9 August Russia entered the war. In the succeeding meetings of the Supreme War Direction Council, the differences of opinion previously existing as to the Potsdam terms persisted exactly as before. By using the urgency brought about through fear of further atomic bombing attacks, the Prime Minister found it possible to bring the Emperor directly into the discussions of the Potsdam terms. Hirohito, acting as arbiter, resolved the conflict in favor of unconditional surrender.
I think Wikipedia also supports this perspective, although it also suggests that some of Japan's ministers were liaising with the Soviet Union (then neutral) in an effort to get a peace deal with America that was amenable to them. For me it seems like yes, the Japanese were going to surrender anyway, but the atom bombs were the final straw, and just tipped them over into taking immediate action.
Please correct me if I am wrong. I so often am!
I wholly agree with you that fire bombing alone or an invasion with ground troops into Japan could have also stopped the war, but the latter especially I think would have meant the war dragging on for months and months, with a terrible loss of life - and mostly for the Japanese.
Most of all I think the Japanese lost the war at the Battle of Midway. All the 3 years of fighting that continued after that was simply a refusal to surrender....

Ah..."
but in the end Japan was allowed to retain an Emperor, which wasn't guaranteed at Potsdam and seems to have been an important factor.
From the the report I noted that they calculated that without the nuclear bomb and even without Soviet entry in to the war that Japan would have surrendered by November or early 1946 at the latest.
The point made about the effectiveness of the blockade in the book, & the importance of air and naval superiority in the report for me raises the question of why there was so much ground fighting at all - there was no reason for it. Most of those casualties could have been avoided altogether.
When Japan lost the war, or effectively reached a point at which victory was no longer possible is an interesting question - possibly one could say it was immediately after Pearl Harbour when the USA didn't surrender and/or negotiate for peace.
Given the size of the Japanese economy and its dependence on oil imports war with the USA was a pretty futile move from the start, a good (or actually a very bad) example of thinking yourself into a dead end.

Thank you, thank you! All of that made so much sense. I somehow missed the bit about the agreement that the Emperor would retain his seat after surrender, and that not originally being guaranteed at Potsdam, (I do find it hard to read long tracts on a monitor...) That would of course have made a huge difference.
I found the rest of what you said extremely interesting too, especially the penultimate paragraph. In this book the author mentioned that the Japanese were very surprised by the Americans' reaction to Pearl Harbour, and yes, one could say it all went wrong from there.
Very interesting - and thank you again. That was most instructive.

I hope not, its just opinions after all, everybody's got them ;)

I also found myself empathizing with the Japanese soldiers. I read a book last year called Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control and it really helped me better understand how cultures like those present in Japan at the time can be formed. You know, I actually think you would like the book. It's a little technical at times, but truly fascinating and informative.
I also found the Napalm attacks to be extremely brutal. Interestingly, prior to reading this book, I had never really heard about them. Actually, prior to reading this book, I had no idea just how barbaric the Japanese were. You think WWII and brutality and you think the Germans.
I thought Bradley did a pretty good job of not demonizing any one party, but instead held each player accountable for their actions, which I appreciated. After all, most participants have things to apologize for.
One thing I thought was interesting was that at one time the Japanese worshiped many gods. It seemed to be inferred that the elevation of Emperor to one was an intentional and strategic one. The Japanese realized in order to be a successful military power they needed a unifying power, and if gods are anything they are a strong unifying power. I'm not sure if it was this book or another or if I'm mistaken, but that was the impression I formed.
I've since read the Rape of Nanking and Unbroken, both good and informative in their own right, both addressing WWII Japan from slightly different perspectives.
As far as the discussion...I had formed the impression that the bomb did in fact help to bring the war to an end, so the idea that this might be a myth is interesting. I'd like to read more from those who believe that and why.
I also agree that it is fascinating that the Japanese expected their soldiers to feed and care for themselves. In the books I've read it does sound as if the Japanese were in awe of the concern other countries showed for their troops.
Finally, the book mentioned by Dhanaraj sounds like one worth reading for a more complete perspective. I did feel like Bradley made an effort to provide some context, but this is obviously a topic that deserves its own book/books.

I hope not, its just opinions after all, everybody's got them ;)"
Well, some (opinions) are more valuable than others. Yours are always incredibly wise and interesting. I am so pleased to have you as a GR friend :^)

I also found myself empathizing with the Japanese soldiers. I read a book last year..."
Thank you very much Shaun for that generous response. Really, all I did while reading it was nod. I agree with everything you say.
Like you I had no idea of the viciousness of Napalm as a bomb, until I read this book. On the other hand I had heard stories about maltreatment in Japanese prisoner of war camps, and I'd heard about the marches. The book nevertheless gave me much information about their treatment of Japanese prisoners, and their enemies, that was new and extremely sobering.
I too thought Bradley was extremely even handed in his descriptions of Japanese and American wrongdoings.
No, I wasn't aware from this book about the elevation of the emperor's status to godlike as a deliberate ploy to inspire loyalty - although that is certainly the effect that it had. Perhaps it was another book that described this in detail?
Jan-Maat in message 5 linked (second link) to a paper discussing the factors leading to the Japanese surrender. It's heavy-going, and I found it difficult to read on a monitor. Certainly there were many factors involved. The one I wasn't aware of (from this book), is that the Potsdam declaration was changed so that the emperor would not be unseated as leader of Japan, and I can see that this would be an immensely important change, and might well swing the Japanese mindset to be more amenable to surrender.
I have in the past used an excellent history website. I am thinking of going there and asking more questions about the surrender of the Japanese, just to get things a bit clearer in my small woolly mind.
I too got the impression that the Japanese were bowled over, not only by the care the Americans lavished on their troops, but also by the way they treated their prisoners of war. It seemed that where the Japanese expected death, they received respect and good treatment - much to their amazement.
Finally, thank you for the book mentions. I was going to say "The Rape of Nanking" is already on my TR lists, but when I did a search I found there were THREE books with the same title! Can you tell me who authored the book you read? I have added Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control to my TR lists. I had already bumped into Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption in the past, but decided it would just be too harrowing for me to read...

I also found myself empathizing with the Japanese soldiers. I read a ..."
I read Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking. It had some flaws IMO but overall a worthy read.
If you visit the history site, please share what you learn.
I imagine as with most things there are differing opinions but also multiple contributing factors.
I'm also not sure when/where I got the idea about the emperor's god status being used to unify. I'm going to have to search and read some more. For some reason I got the impression that while emperors were believed to be descendants of a goddess (demigods, often with no real power), the emperor's promotion to "the GOD" was an attempt at unification and ultimately manipulation. I thought it was early on in this book, but I could be wrong. After a while the lines start to blur. LOL!

Will add Iris Chang's book to my TR lists....
So far the history site is pro the idea of the atom bombs being relevant to the end of the war.
Your Emperor-as-God theory may well have come from this book, it may be that I just read that bit rather lazily. Certainly, the end result was that he was treated as a god-like figure, that is for sure.
I was never a big reader of WWII history, except for where Marines were involved. Looks like a great book. Excellent review

Many thanks Joseph. As you can gather from the title of the book, the emphasis was very much on the air force and pilots... I found it utterly fascinating.

You have captured well the events and mood of that horrible era.
I don't want to get involved in a discussion of the atomic bomb...
but some historians also cite that it was the Russian Declaration on war on Japan that finally prompted them to surrender.

You have captured well the events and mood of that horrible era.
I don't want to get involved in a discussion of the atomic bomb...
but some historians also cite th..."
Yes - I'm sure that was part of it....


Yes, having recently read books both about Japan during WWII, and North Korea in more recent times - it's really bought home to me how scary totalitarian societies are.... That old chichéd term "brainwashing", pretty well sums it up :o(

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Thank you for flagging that up. It sounds an outstanding book, from an interesting viewpoint.

I think this is true and scary. Given what is going on in American politics right now, I am disheartened. The rise of Trump as a viable candidate is more than just a fluke. The Republican party has been pandering to and encouraging a certain mindset for too long. They've fed the monster, and now the monster has escaped and they can no longer control it.
This was such a powerful book.

We sure have a capacity for both damaging inertia and horrendous violence ....
