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Neverwhere (London Below, #1)
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I first started reading this book and honestly wanted to just chuck it in the bin. I said very mean things about the protagonist under my breath.
Surely, I said, a Protagonist means that they are pro and totally into furthering the story. Surely, Protagonist is the similar to Proactive and Productive.
I was wrong. The word Protagonist, in its basic form is not similar to proactive. It simply, from the Greek plays, means the principle character or the first speaking character.
However, I maintain that the kind of protagonist that most people want to read about is one that actually bloody does something!
History/Language lesson over.
Neverwhere is a book that TRIES to be clever and magical. In many senses it utterly manages to be magical and creative and fun. It fails, however, to be clever. There are so many lines in this book intending to be dry wit and just come off dry stupid.
Allow an example:
There are four simple ways for the observant to tell Mr Coup and Mr Vandemar apart: first, Mr Vandemar is two and a half heads taller than Mr Croup; second, Mr Croup has eyes of a faded, china blue while Mr Vandemar's eyes are brown; third, while Mr Vandemar fashioned the rings he wears on his right hand out of the skulls of four ravens, Mr Croup has no obvious jewellery; fourth, Mr Croup likes words, while Mr Vandemar is always hungry. Also, they look nothing at all alike.
Oh! I see what you did there! *Kat laughs, slapping her knee with her hand in amusement*
No, not really. If he'd left out these lame little lines I think I probably would have enjoyed this novel a whole lot more.
Just about every other character in this story is awesome except for the protagonist. Give me a story about Marquis de Carabas and I will read it in a second. Honestly, fantastic character right there. Tell me I have to read another whiny missive about Richard Mayhew and I will likely stick hot pokers into my eyes first.
I get it. I really do. It's a journey. He has to LEARN and GROW and CHANGE. But he takes a REALLY long time to do it and he only ever grows to be slightly less pansy, soft and annoying. The total character growth comes to equal someone who doesn't just sit idly by and let people take stuff from him.
Let me give you an example. He met a girl who was unconscious in the streets and bleeding to death. He takes her home. This causes his fiancee to break up with him. He then goes through a lengthy process to get the girl back where she came from. Once he does this he then loses his job, his apartment and all his money. He then goes to find the girl for a) an explanation and b) help. Without her help he will probably die as another side effect of having met her is that he has two psychopathic killers on his tail.
She simply apologizes and walks away, abandoning him. So what does he do? Does he chase her down and gently remind her that she owes him a favor? Does he barter and trade what he can, whilst trying to lure the killers into a trap so that he can some how defend himself? No. I will now transcribe from the book EXACTLY what he does.
Richard leaned against a wall, and listened to their footsteps, echoing away, and to the rush of the water running past on its way to the pumping station of East London, and the sewage works. "Shit," he said. And then, to his surprise, for the first time since his father died, alone in the dark, Richard Mayhew began to cry.
He decides to stay there and die. That's right, folks. He just stays there waiting to die.
Boo-fucking-hoo.
Ya know, I don't accept this crap from a female character - nor do I accept it from a man. How the hell am I suppose to sympathize with someone who so blithely lets everything he has slip through his fingers because he can't speak up and demand explanations or some kind of help? This level of pitiful doesn't help the audience empathize - it makes them think your protagonist is an idiot.
The plot is pretty good - despite everything being painfully obvious and predictable at the end.
The world building is fantastic. It's probably the best thing about this book. It's really creative and fascinating and interesting.
Over all, it was an alright read. It wasn't great. I labored through until the last half where it began to pick up and markedly improve. Thus only three stars. Had the first half been more like the last half then it would have earned four.
Surely, I said, a Protagonist means that they are pro and totally into furthering the story. Surely, Protagonist is the similar to Proactive and Productive.
I was wrong. The word Protagonist, in its basic form is not similar to proactive. It simply, from the Greek plays, means the principle character or the first speaking character.
However, I maintain that the kind of protagonist that most people want to read about is one that actually bloody does something!
History/Language lesson over.
Neverwhere is a book that TRIES to be clever and magical. In many senses it utterly manages to be magical and creative and fun. It fails, however, to be clever. There are so many lines in this book intending to be dry wit and just come off dry stupid.
Allow an example:
There are four simple ways for the observant to tell Mr Coup and Mr Vandemar apart: first, Mr Vandemar is two and a half heads taller than Mr Croup; second, Mr Croup has eyes of a faded, china blue while Mr Vandemar's eyes are brown; third, while Mr Vandemar fashioned the rings he wears on his right hand out of the skulls of four ravens, Mr Croup has no obvious jewellery; fourth, Mr Croup likes words, while Mr Vandemar is always hungry. Also, they look nothing at all alike.
Oh! I see what you did there! *Kat laughs, slapping her knee with her hand in amusement*
No, not really. If he'd left out these lame little lines I think I probably would have enjoyed this novel a whole lot more.
Just about every other character in this story is awesome except for the protagonist. Give me a story about Marquis de Carabas and I will read it in a second. Honestly, fantastic character right there. Tell me I have to read another whiny missive about Richard Mayhew and I will likely stick hot pokers into my eyes first.
I get it. I really do. It's a journey. He has to LEARN and GROW and CHANGE. But he takes a REALLY long time to do it and he only ever grows to be slightly less pansy, soft and annoying. The total character growth comes to equal someone who doesn't just sit idly by and let people take stuff from him.
Let me give you an example. He met a girl who was unconscious in the streets and bleeding to death. He takes her home. This causes his fiancee to break up with him. He then goes through a lengthy process to get the girl back where she came from. Once he does this he then loses his job, his apartment and all his money. He then goes to find the girl for a) an explanation and b) help. Without her help he will probably die as another side effect of having met her is that he has two psychopathic killers on his tail.
She simply apologizes and walks away, abandoning him. So what does he do? Does he chase her down and gently remind her that she owes him a favor? Does he barter and trade what he can, whilst trying to lure the killers into a trap so that he can some how defend himself? No. I will now transcribe from the book EXACTLY what he does.
Richard leaned against a wall, and listened to their footsteps, echoing away, and to the rush of the water running past on its way to the pumping station of East London, and the sewage works. "Shit," he said. And then, to his surprise, for the first time since his father died, alone in the dark, Richard Mayhew began to cry.
He decides to stay there and die. That's right, folks. He just stays there waiting to die.
Boo-fucking-hoo.
Ya know, I don't accept this crap from a female character - nor do I accept it from a man. How the hell am I suppose to sympathize with someone who so blithely lets everything he has slip through his fingers because he can't speak up and demand explanations or some kind of help? This level of pitiful doesn't help the audience empathize - it makes them think your protagonist is an idiot.
The plot is pretty good - despite everything being painfully obvious and predictable at the end.
The world building is fantastic. It's probably the best thing about this book. It's really creative and fascinating and interesting.
Over all, it was an alright read. It wasn't great. I labored through until the last half where it began to pick up and markedly improve. Thus only three stars. Had the first half been more like the last half then it would have earned four.
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I dunno. I won't go pick up any sequels because I can't be arsed but its a shame because, to me, everything but the lead character and the author trying to be witty was great.


Someone made the comment, and I think it's quite true, that Neverwhere is basically Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy but in London sewers instead of space.
I don't think you'd be in any great loss to take this off your TBR list. Then again it wasn't really THAT bad.


+1
I loved Door and the Marquis and wanted a story about THEM. Not Richard. I hated him. And the implicit and not-so-implicit misogyny with Jessica his fiancee made me really uncomfortable. The atmosphere was really nice, the worldbuilding was great, it's just such a shame there had to be this typical White Male Pale Blob of an exposition mule in it. That to me betrays its TV origins - no! we can't show all these fascinating people on their own! We have to have some kind of Viewer Stand-in who has to be white, male, and 18-35, so the audience can Identify. Bah.
Nerd insights: Movie came first, weirdly, and IS kind of fun, mostly because the dude playing the Marquis rulez. Also, the Marquis de Carabas is the owner of Puss-in-Boots, from the original Charles Perrault stories. FTW!
I agree about this one being bad, mostly because I hate Richard Mayhew - so freaking milquetoast - and the characterization of the gf does not pass the sexist smell-test, imao. Have you tried Un Lun Dun? It's self-avowedly a take-off from Gaiman's Neverwhere, but it avoids some of Gaiman's missteps. Not all; there's still too much damn punning.
I agree about this one being bad, mostly because I hate Richard Mayhew - so freaking milquetoast - and the characterization of the gf does not pass the sexist smell-test, imao. Have you tried Un Lun Dun? It's self-avowedly a take-off from Gaiman's Neverwhere, but it avoids some of Gaiman's missteps. Not all; there's still too much damn punning.
Cross post Moira! Wow! Also, my Un Lun Dun link is misdirecting. Freaking GR.

AWW YEAH
I agree about this one being bad, mostly because I hate Richard Mayhew - so freaking milquetoast - and the characterization of the gf does not pass the sexist smell-test, imao.
Great minds! Yeah, and for me at least tweedles Dee and Dum after a while were both too dull and too gory. The sacrifice of the little rat-girl for Our Noble Hero sucked, too. And I didn't like Hunter's (spoiler).
Have you tried Un Lun Dun?
I have not! Oh that looks fun (and the link did work).

I did like Gaiman's The Graveyard Book better, but even in that context . I wish he'd educate himself and expand his world view a little more. When he started his career, what he was doing was pretty exciting and new. Now, it's just rehashings. Spread your wings, Neil!

Ceridwen, I had no idea there was a Neverwhere movie. That explains a lot.


It's sadly consistently kind of a Thing with Gaiman - for me at least his settings and minor characters (especially the women) are a lot more riveting than the male protagonists. At least in the Sandman books the hero's moping and passivity were made fun of, and there were a LOT of other characters and stories, so he wasn't the sole focus. At least Coraline and Mirrormask had central female characters, even though those also had epically Bad Mommies (sigh).
Ian wrote: "I had exactly the same problem with the "protagonist" in this novel. This is, to date, the only Gaiman novel I've read, and was a little underwhelmed given that the man is such a rock star."
Yeah, it's one of those BBC micro-budget things. It's not, like, brilliant or anything, and the fact that they used a Scottish harry coo as the Beast makes for some unintended comedy - but micro-budget! kind of Dr. Whoishly so! And much is filmed in the London Underground, and I just get off on that, totally.
I'm having a sad break-up with Neil - he used to be my boyfriend, on the strength of Sandman, which still ranks pretty darn high for me - but his later stuff is increasingly full of fail.
Yeah, it's one of those BBC micro-budget things. It's not, like, brilliant or anything, and the fact that they used a Scottish harry coo as the Beast makes for some unintended comedy - but micro-budget! kind of Dr. Whoishly so! And much is filmed in the London Underground, and I just get off on that, totally.
I'm having a sad break-up with Neil - he used to be my boyfriend, on the strength of Sandman, which still ranks pretty darn high for me - but his later stuff is increasingly full of fail.
In Gaiman's defense, the story in Mirrormask was really directed by Dave McKean - I only know because Richard has this whole thing with McKean, and I've had to read/see everything associated with his work.

Yeah....I really inhaled American Gods and Graveyard Book and Neverwhere at first acquaintance, but they just haven't stood up at all well to rereadings. I'm a little afraid to reread Anansi Boys to find out that it falters too. (And nobody but me shares this opinion, but I think his short stories just don't work, technically. But I'm not a big fan of prose-poemy plotless stuff, so.)

Yeah, I know they collaborated, but it sounds like Gaiman at least wrote the screenplay:
//eyeroll
Gaiman wrote the screenplay in February 2002, and said that they always knew that it would be a coming of age story about a girl on a quest, but that later they learned "that it really was just the story of the relationship between a girl and her mother."
I don't know much about McKean (other than his stuff is gorgeous), but Neil has done the Villainess Bad Mommy thing before. In general his female characters are pretty lacking (Door was kinda kickass but she was elfin and waiflike and had OPAL eyes, &c &c).
Don't re-read Anasi Boys. That one faltered on the first read, for me.

FIRE OPALS, NO SRSLY.
Richard realized that he could not tell what color her eyes were. They were not blue, or green, or brown, or gray; they reminded him of fire opals: there were burning greens and blues, and even reds and yellows that vanished and glinted as she moved.
Also, they are HUGE and her face is PALE and ELFIN. //sighs
Altho the movie does look nice and Whovian!

//snorts tea Ow.

I agree Moira - why the sadsack stand in? Marquis could easily have carried this book by himself!
Tatania - you hated HhGthG? How? Why? HOW!?!?!
I love the first two. The last book was just stupid to the infinite and ended depressingly.

But he keeps reeling in those awards, doesn't he?

I don't get why all the awards but then again, I have never read The Sandman.


On second thought... yes, yes I can!
I don't know why he's so popular. My theory is because he speaks to a clique of men who are so rarely represented in media and literature. The modern, unsure, disassociated male that is neglected in a world where men are supposed to either be muscled and violent, brooding and obsessive or immortal and rich - or possibly all six.
There doesn't seem to be enough places for them as the hero or the romantic lead.
This is just my half-assed theory anyway.

I feel like Gaiman is the closest thing literature has to a Tim Burton, although I think his work is a lot less impressive. Could that be part of the equation? Or am I just making shit up now?

No, I think that's a good point, although I think Clive Barker does the Burton thing better (have you ever read The Thief of Always? That's just screaming for a Burton adaptation). I've always said Gaiman is a poor man's Clive Barker.

I thought Stardust was a better book than the Barker books I've read, but I haven't read that much by Barker. Gaiman's definitely a more sterile, PG-13 version of Barker, with a lot of the same obsessions.










(And I never understood why Hitchhiker's Guide is so popular, it is decent with some decent humor and the setting is relatively creative. But well comedy seldom works for everyone.)



I have seen the movie of Stardust and remember now that I had a hard time to like the "hero" there too or better the "heros". Father goes to the magical land, sleeps with a slave girl and leaves her the next day behind... what a hero. And the son? Goes to the magical land to bring his stupid beloved a star. Finds the star and goes on forever about how perfect his "love" is. I wanted to hit him in the head... repeatedly!