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Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe by Benjamin Alire Sáenz
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did not like it
bookshelves: boring, cringeworthy, horrible-writing, how-the-hell, over-hyped, unrealistic, unlikeable-characters

** spoiler alert ** Warning - this is going to be an honest, blunt review. I'm sure it won't hurt the book's high ratings, considering it's "critically acclaimed." I really wanted to like this - I usually don't believe the hype, but I do tend to believe the awards, and thought I was in for a sweet, profound story. Sadly, I'm losing faith in the publishing industry. The writing was worse than a certain other book I thought was the worst.

I felt like I was reading a very weak rough draft. The characters all spoke the same way, they repeated each other constantly as this cutesy device that got old fast, and the worst offender - they said each other's name in almost every sentence. Even Ari's surgeon spoke this way. If the dog could talk, she would have spoken this way, too. One doesn't need to take Writing 101 to know not to have the characters repeat each other's names in dialogue - it sounds unnatural and amateurish. There is one page where Ari's mom says his name in almost every sentence of their conversation. Ari Ari Ari. Another where I swear, it's like every other word is "mom." (pg. 136 Kindle version)

This is my own unrelated example of what this mess read like to me:

"That's a great pair of socks, Mike."
"Well, Tom, I like socks."
"I wonder, Mike, if I like socks, too."
"I don't know, Tom, have you ever tried them?"
I wondered about that. I wasn't human about socks.
"No, Mike, I haven't, Mike."
I thought about Mike. Why couldn't I answer questions when people asked? Why didn't I like socks? Do boys like socks?
"Okay, Tom. Okay, you weird sweet boy."
I thought about Mike a lot. He was my only friend. But I wanted to punch him in the face.

Ari's name is said over 300 times, and Dante's name over 500 - my Kindle couldn't count any higher. IT. WAS. MADDENING.



And there were lines like this: "I knew about coyotes. I was way into coyotes." HUH? No, explanation. Just so RANDOM.

Then there was this gem: "I remember staring at myself in the mirror. I remember whispering 'You are a beautiful boy.' I didn't believe it - but I wanted to." He's 16 here, I think. Am I supposed to believe he whispered to himself in the mirror that he's a beautiful boy? He's like a Saturday Night Live sketch, so corny you'd think it was meant to be comedy. But... it's not.

And this convo with his dad about a dog: "She followed me home from the park." "Are you interested in him?"..."And yeah, I'm very interested." Now tell me, who says "Are you interested in him?" about a dog? How about, do you want to keep it? But not, "Are you interested in him?"



As I said, every character sounded like the same person when they spoke, their conversations consisting mostly of these short choppy sentences, with no real depth, except a few long-winded, try-hard monologues. It left me wondering (don't get me started on how many times Ari "wonders" and asks inane questions - it's repetitive, lazy writing) who these characters were supposed to be. They were like shells - devoid of any personality. All they did was whine, wonder, and say each other's names. It was the most unnatural dialogue I've ever read in a published work.

The blurb does it no justice - Ari wasn't the angry young man, but he did strike me as a whiny little emo boy in an older teen's body. He was so self-centered, to the point where you'd think the universe revolved around him. Dante is supposed to be a know-it-all, but I didn't get that impression at all. He was also a whiny kid, but one who liked to talk about how great his parents were. Yes, teens can and should respect and love their parents, but to constantly talk about them with each other? Unrealistic.

Their friendship had no build-up. There was no connection between them, because there were no personalities or depth there to connect, so it rang false to me. There was way too much telling, and not enough showing. You can't just say, "he was my friend" without showing me why. You can't have them making out, suddenly, when there was so little that made them real.

"We laughed." "We busted out laughing." "We cracked up laughing." They laughed so hard at the simplest things. Things that might have warranted a polite chuckle at most... I know I was supposed to think "Ahh, look how they laugh together" but there was nothing even remotely funny going on?

The parents could have been the same person - even Ari's dad who was supposed to have PTSD from serving in Vietnam seemed mellow and bland, and nothing like Ari "thinks" of him. Even Ari's thoughts are choppy, inarticulate musings that do nothing but make him seem like a simpleton.

And that ending? Could it be any more insipid? Could Ari be anymore lackluster and boring and just there? All it took to realize he was gay and in love with Dante was a sit down with his supposedly closed-off parents? He barely even considered in his own weak thoughts that he might be gay, until mom and dad told him he was?? It was absurd. Not to mention the total lack of chemistry between the two boys. But it's hard for characters to have chemistry when they are basically empty shells.

There was also no point to having it set in the 80's. It didn't read like historical fiction.

This book was terrible. If you loved this book, I'm happy for you, because that means you are going to be in blissful, sublime ecstasy when you read a well-written book. You will keel over in joy.
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Reading Progress

September 17, 2014 – Shelved as: to-read
September 17, 2014 – Shelved
April 30, 2015 – Started Reading
April 30, 2015 –
7.0% "The description of this book calls Aristotle an angry teen. So far, all I'm getting is whiny, boring teen."
May 2, 2015 –
9.0% "The dialogue is so stilted in this novel that it reads like a Lifetime channel movie."
May 3, 2015 –
27.0% "Ari is so whiiiiiiny! And why do they keep saying each other's names when speaking? This is the worst dialogue I've ever seen published."
May 3, 2015 –
33.0% "The dialogue is killing me. It's dreadful. Flat. Corny. Unrealistic. Poorly executed. How did this drivel win so many awards?"
May 3, 2015 –
35.0% "This kid is an ungrateful little brat with the thought processes and personality of an 8-year-old."
May 3, 2015 – Shelved as: boring
May 3, 2015 – Shelved as: cringeworthy
May 3, 2015 – Shelved as: horrible-writing
May 3, 2015 – Shelved as: how-the-hell
May 3, 2015 – Shelved as: over-hyped
May 3, 2015 – Shelved as: unrealistic
May 3, 2015 – Shelved as: unlikeable-characters
May 3, 2015 – Finished Reading

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Cecile Finished it. Meh. Wouldn't recommend, or maybe just in a "try if you must" kind of way. *sigh*


message 2: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Hahahaha I love this review. I haven't read this book, but all I've heard is how great it supposedly is, so it's nice to see a review that begs to differ. Honestly, I read the synopsis and it just sounds like another manic pixie teen romance novel.


Carolyn A manic pixie teen romance novel might have been a step up!


message 4: by S. (new) - rated it 1 star

S. This review is infinitely better than the book!


message 5: by Kuka (new) - rated it 1 star

Kuka Holder I enjoyed reading this review 20 times more than reading the book. It was so cringy I almost couldn't finish


message 6: by Laura (new)

Laura I would just like to say that your fake excerpt is the most wonderful thing I've read in a long time


Carolyn Thanks guys. I'm just glad I'm not alone in my feelings for this book.


Rekha Accuracy level: 100%


message 9: by DJ (new) - rated it 1 star

DJ Hanson Hahaha this review is everything. I almost didn’t write my own review because this covered all my feelings. But then I decided the book needed to be dragged more so I went at it as well hahahaha. Ughhhhhhhsjakwowoeixjcjckdkeowiiksjxjdi


Carolyn It is truly a terrible book.


message 11: by DJ (new) - rated it 1 star

DJ Hanson I feel bad for reminding you of its existence 😔


Carolyn DJ wrote: "I feel bad for reminding you of its existence 😔"

I can't forget it, I am traumatized by it! lol


Susan Gray Thank you for this review. I was recommended this book by a student, but since I’m taking grad school classes while teaching full-time, I have to choose my books carefully and frugally. I’m grateful that you took the time to write such an in-depth review. I’ll still read the book, just not until I’ve finished my masters!


Carolyn Susan wrote: "Thank you for this review. I was recommended this book by a student, but since I’m taking grad school classes while teaching full-time, I have to choose my books carefully and frugally. I’m gratefu..." Good choice!


Emilio Lara OMG. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. It was so bad. I don’t get how this book has been so acclaimed. People need to read more good books. Gosh.


Lil Moo I’m. In. STITCHES 😂. I read your fake dialogue of the book and lost it. You really, REALLY hit the nail on the head with how god awful this book was. It broke so many basic writing rules. Not that there’s some perfect formula for writers to follow by, but simple dialogue rules were obliterated in this book. If I heard (I listened to the audiobook which somehow I feel is worse) Ari’s name one more time I think I would have lost my grip on my sanity. The whole thing was like a caricature of teenagers.
Awesome review!


Carolyn Thanks! I’m always glad to know others felt the same as I did about this book!


message 18: by Raegan (new) - added it

Raegan Babb This is my favorite review. Lol’d reading it because of how it perfectly communicates my thoughts and feelings about this book. Thank you for making me believe I’m not crazy for feeling this way.


Carolyn Thank you for making me feel less alone in my feelings about this book!


message 20: by Pedro (new) - rated it 1 star

Pedro Aragão THANK YOU for this review, it summed up everything wrong about this book. Terrible writing and character development, and not at all relatable. The way the author explored the teenager sexuality is way off. Truly one of the worst books I've ever read, I don't get the hype at all.


Carolyn Pedro wrote: "THANK YOU for this review, it summed up everything wrong about this book. Terrible writing and character development, and not at all relatable. The way the author explored the teenager sexuality is..."

You're welcome! One of the worst books I've read, for sure. The hype really lied.


message 22: by Lior (new) - rated it 1 star

Lior Thank you!
So many tropes
So many stereotypes
So corny and cliché
Plus, normalized sexual manipulation and normalized transphobia


Carolyn Yes! You are so right!


message 24: by Jazz (new) - rated it 1 star

Jazz I seriously thought I was the only one who really really really disliked this book. Honestly, this review was buried amongst all the ones saying how good it is and although everyone is entitled to their own opinion-- it's just worrisome if your opinion differs from the general consensus


Carolyn I know. But I really could not get on the hype train with this one. And I am finding that we are not alone after all!


message 26: by Sushithestudent (new)

Sushithestudent YOU EXPLAINED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS READING!!!


Savannah Raymer Easily the worst written book I've ever read. Everything you said was right on point, and I read this back in 2014 and still get mad and frustrated when I see it pop up in lists or recommendations... I think this book gave me PTSD from how badly it was written lmao.


Carolyn Did you see the sequel is coming out?! 😱


message 29: by Azur (new) - rated it 2 stars

Azur Sang thought i was the only one...


Carolyn Azur wrote: "thought i was the only one..."
LOL nope! 😊


message 31: by eva (new) - rated it 1 star

eva you put what i was thinking into words 🙏


Carolyn declan wrote: "you put what i was thinking into words 🙏"

Glad I could help!


NovaCane I was really into the book at the beginning but after Ari got into that accident the book took a different turn in a way� like it went from cute to cringe in a matter of seconds and I didn’t like the fact that Ari and Dante’s parents were the ones to tell them that they were in love with each other .. that could have been executed a lot better .. the romance had potential to be better but it kinda failed ( excuse my typo errors or weird typing habits)


rosie white person moment u could never know the true meaning of ari & dante


message 35: by Maria (new) - rated it 1 star

Maria C Yes 😂 my feelings exactly! I can't believe there is a sequel coming out


Chloe Rudasill I really liked this book but I agree with almost everything you said!


Taylor So glad to find this review! Sums up things perfectly. For a book that was supposedly philosophical and deep, the story and characters were so surface level! I literally couldnt have given a damn. Can i also say did anyone else get weirded out but dante telling ari how much he thought of kissing him and making him kiss him when it seemed in the book that Ari really wasnt that interested.


Carolyn rosie wrote: "white person moment u could never know the true meaning of ari & dante"

Says the white girl. BTW, my family is Hispanic AND Latinx.


message 39: by Teru (new) - rated it 2 stars

Teru It's such a shame I didn't read this review before I read the book 🙃 this was the book that tought me not to trust high ratings on GR


Zachtookthem Wonderful review. This is one of the few books that was so miserable I couldn't finish. So many needless, contradictory words.


message 41: by Rose (new) - rated it 5 stars

Rose I totally agree with everything you said here. I did really love this book, but mostly because I deeply understand Ari and his struggle. However, this was a very poorly written book that bored me for more than half the book. There was no chemistry, and I had to look it up online to even know where the book was headed at the 50% mark. And yes the repetition and all the characters talking the same was crazy annoying. Also, not sure an editor was used. I found at least three huge typos.


Oliwia The "we laughed" drove me nuts, great review, perfectly summed up my feelings about this book.


ElectricVaps I completely agree with everything. I didn't know it was that easy to get a bestseller � write a generic gay relationship with no substance whatsoever and fill the book with Facebook Motivational Quotes.


message 44: by Eve (new) - rated it 5 stars

Eve Sparrow As a teen, I loved this book. I think from the perspective of someone who is older and more invested in different things in life this book might not have seemed as good. Personally, I wasn’t focused on the dialogue or how often they said each other’s names, but I did notice the feelings he conveyed and the simplistic and relatable nature of his writing. Some things were repetitive and maybe cliche, but it matches the audience and how teens perceive life. Most of us aren’t in a phase of our life where we care about the writing anyway. Maybe this book wasn’t written for you in your phase of life, but I think it was written for someone like me.


Carolyn Congratulations. Don’t presume to know what phase of life I am in. I have read all kinds of books for all kinds of people- and loved them. This. Was. Just. Bad.


message 46: by Rose (new) - rated it 1 star

Rose Your example had me wheeze I cannot


message 47: by Ryann M (new) - added it

Ryann M I rarely don’t finish a book but I’m barely into this one and will probably have to stop for all the reasons you’ve listed. Glad to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t like this book!


message 48: by Lee (new) - rated it 1 star

Lee Thank you so much for writing this review. You articulated so much of what I have felt while reading this book. It's pretty much exactly how I have been feeling to the point where I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone or everyone is playing a massive prank on me. I blame the editors and publisher more than the writer. I do think there is a good book hiding in Aristotle and Dante, but it is multiple drafts and revisions away from that. On the positive side this is very encouraging to me as an aspiring writer. If this book can get published, let alone dozens of accolades, I have a chance!!


message 49: by Aluna (new) - added it

Aluna im glad the only one who didn’t see any chemistry between the mains


Jeanene Lyons You hit on every reason I found it hard to love. I liked what it was trying to do. I get the point. I agree that Dante was more into Ari, and Ari showed no interest in him and was so emotionally closed off. But your comment on the ending got me the most!!! It took Ari’s parents to give him “permission� to love Dante before he was actually able to confess to himself that he liked boys and he loved Dante?!?! Also, I do like historical accuracy to books, so I don’t know why this was set in 87-88. There is no way two sets of parents would accept their love so easily and even encourage them to accept their love. Parents bringing them together (weird). There was so much stigma in the 80’s. Things are finally changing, but I don’t think the story would have ended happily if this were historical.


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