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Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
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Sigh, just what we need, another revolutionary, unusual fantasy book by an author with a practiced mastery of tone. When will authors like Clarke realize that what the fantasy genre needs are more pseudo-medieval that sprawl out into fifteen volumes?

Her magic didn't conveniently solve all of the characters' problems, instead, they wasted time thinking through conflicts and then had to solve them by taking action; how dull is that? The magic was weird, anyways. It didn't have a simplistic, internal system to allow it to act as a one-for-one substitute with technology, it was just all unpredictable and otherworldly and unknowable--how can you even call that 'magic'?

And the characters were overly-complicated. Instead of acting as recognizable archetypes, they were complex, conflicted, and developed as the story progressed. For some reason, they also seemed hesitant to fall back on the default plan of attacking anything that gets in their way, which was probably why this book was so long. I guess they just didn't have a strong enough sense of honor to instantly kill anyone who opposed them.

And then, instead of having her characters laboriously explain how the world worked to each other, she made brief mentions in footnotes, as if she were writing a history. I'm not sure why she made this decision, I often explain to my friends in basic terms how cars and money work in our culture, so it's clear that endless expositionary dialogue is the most realistic way to inform the reader. I mean, I guess you could just have the omniscient narrator tell us everything in detail, that's almost as good.

Come to think of it, this book had a lot of history stuff, it was almost like she had read a whole bunch about the period her book was set in, which is such a waste of time, because if that's what I wanted, I'd just read a history book. I mean sure, the author could take some vague things from a period, but otherwise they should just treat everything as if it were the modern day so it'll make sense. Besides, if she had any errors, she could just remind us that 'it's fiction!', so it's all fake anyways and it's pointless to try to make it seem real.

I guess she thought she was Jane Austen, or something, gradually building a tonal portrait of the world and revealing the characters through details of action and conversation. I don't know why she would try to write like those boring, old, dead authors, they wouldn't have to make us read them in school if they were good.

I should have known it was going to be bad when I saw it had footnotes in it, like a textbook or something, but I tried not to read any of them because I didn't want to accidentally learn some stupid fact (and then be STUCK with it FOREVER), because I'm saving up that brain space to memorize the lineage of the ninth house of the Dragonpriests of Ur, or maybe which incantation can counterspell the splash damage effect of a lesser draconic fireball.

So the whole book, I kept waiting for one of the women to be raped (or at the very least threatened with rape), or maybe enslaved, or for someone to be put in a collar and tortured by a woman in leather, or to be spanked in public as part of some cultural ritual, or to walk through flames while spraying breastmilk everywhere, or some other perfectly normal expression of human sexuality, but don't bother waiting, you'll only be disappointed. Really, the only thing that could have made it worse is if it were illustrated by Charles Vess, like the equally hopeless sequel.

So yeah, basically this book is WAY TOO LONG! I mean, it was totally worth it for me to read the first five twelve-hundred-page books of the Dragonkingspell Cycle (it starts to get good at book six), but that's nothing compared to how much it tried my patience to read this book. I probably wouldn't have been able to finish it if I didn't need something to read while waiting twelve years for Jeb R.R.R. Franzibald to finish book seven.

But I guess if you like a well-researched, historically accurate book that doesn't tell the same, familiar story, doesn't use magic as a plot facilitator, reads like a Gothic novel, slowly builds the story based on psychologically-developed characters, and is obsessed with tone, then this is the book for you! Congratulations.

Otherwise, you can sit around with me and hope the author of our favorite series doesn't die before finishing vol. XVIII of The Epic Magic Sword of the Undead Dragon Throne Saga Duovigintilogy, where we will finally discover whether the badass, outcast, swordmaster, dragonrider assassin prince defeats the great evil, once and for all (with the help of his trusty albino wolf/girlfriend, of course).

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Started Reading
March 1, 2005 – Finished Reading
May 13, 2007 – Shelved
May 26, 2007 – Shelved as: fantasy
February 27, 2008 – Shelved as: novel
June 9, 2009 – Shelved as: reviewed
September 4, 2010 – Shelved as: uk-and-ireland
January 27, 2012 – Shelved as: favorites

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Kelly I just want to preface this with the fact that I don't say this just because JS&MN is one of my favorite books, I promise: This review is amazing.

I'm glad you liked the footnotes, too (or so I'm guessing reading between the lines). A lot of people found them tiresome, I find, which I simply cannot comprehend at all. The craft and humor she put into those was just exquisitely wonderful.


J.G. Keely Well, I always love footnotes, so I may have been biased.


Kelly Me too! Sometimes I think my brain is entirely made up of footnotes. Turns out this is an advantage for a historian, though. .... if not for general conversation.


J.G. Keely I don't know, my close friends and I all talk in footnotes--switching back and forth between the main thrust of discourse and interesting digressions--but I know some people don't appreciate that. My college roomate's mother always got annoyed by it because by the time we returned to the topic at hand, she would have forgotten what it was.


Kelly Can I like comments? I would like to.


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Kelly wrote: "Can I like comments? I would like to."

No freaking kidding.

You have taken troll baiting to the next level, Keely. Props.

And props to Brian for his amazing troll channeling.


Marie Brilliant review: I always appreciate your turn of phrase, Keely :) And having just finished it myself, I think I can appreciate it all the more.

@Brian: aw, why didn't you let me think of it first? Now I can only offer the standard monkey "ooh, nice review" which I could probably program GR to write for me, if I knew how to program in the first place.


J.G. Keely Aw, thanks everyone.

I think this must be a record for me. My old review was up for three years, zero likes; my new review is up for one day, 31 likes!

Ah well, such is the mystery of Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ.


Richard I was deep into your review before I realized it was being written by what the literary critics call an unreliable narrator. Or is that an unreliable critic? I don't really know what I'm talking about, so I would advise you not to take anything I say at face value.


J.G. Keely Haha, yes, you have it right, I think, unreliable is the term. I guess neither of us should take the other at face value, eh?


message 11: by Richard (last edited Nov 09, 2011 08:21PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Richard The pot calling the kettle unreliable! LOL! Your reviewing technique here, as I understand it, is not "damning with faint praise," but quite the reverse: "praising with faint damns."
On the subject of footnotes, you may be interested in this: The Devil's Details: A History of Footnotes.


J.G. Keely 'praising with faint damns'

That just made my day.

Thank you for the suggestion.


message 13: by Richard (last edited Nov 10, 2011 04:18PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Richard Keely wrote: "That just made my day.

Thank you for the suggestion."


Well, Clarke's novel is a new favourite of mine. It is rather elite as fantasies go, and many readers would not have the patience or the background knowledge necessary to appreciate its story or the artistry with which it is executed. You have grasped both and expressed your evaluation in a fittingly humorous way. So rather than try to compete with your review, I wished to acknowledge its merits.

I think you may well enjoy sinking your teeth into The Devil's Details--it is both witty and erudite.


message 14: by Will (new) - rated it 5 stars

Will IV What a fantastic review.


J.G. Keely Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Richard wrote: ". . . many readers would not have the patience or the background knowledge necessary to appreciate its story or the artistry with which it is executed."

It's true, and I am always disappointed when people say they 'didn't like having to read footnotes' when the footnotes were some of the most humorous and brilliant parts of the book. It's one of my favorites, too, and one of the few fantasy books published in the past twenty years that I have found that was worth reading.


Richard I see you're currently reading The Ladies of Grace Adieu and Other Stories. It's one I would like to get.


J.G. Keely Yeah, it's been on my 'to read' for a long time; I finally found a free copy at the Traveler Restaurant--which we visit whenever we're coming back after visiting friends in Boston--you get a free book with your meal.

So far, I'm enjoying it immensely.


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Chris Barrett Brilliant Keely - I didn't even want to read this, but after reading your review I'm intrigued. As I was reading (your review) I just keep thinking "Wheel of Time" and all the time I wasted . . . ;)


J.G. Keely Haha, yeah, that sounds about right. That was definitely one of the series on my mind when I wrote this. We spend so much time looking for our idea of some perfect book out there that will finally satisfy us, and so often, it seems, we get something popular and highly-recommended, and it's just not it.

And to be honest, this book is hardly the fantasy that I wanted to read--that one must still be out there, somewhere, or maybe I'll be forced to write it, myself--but this is certainly one book I'm glad I read, which is something I wish I could say more often.


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Chris Barrett Keely wrote: And to be honest, this book is hardly the fantasy that I wanted to read--that one must still be out there, somewhere, or maybe I'll be forced to write it, myself ..."
Write it! I'll be a fan. If not look up
The Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafón (if you haven't already). I wonder how you'd compare them.


J.G. Keely Thanks for the suggestion, I'll keep it in mind. Maybe someday I will write something worth publishing--we'll see.


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Momentai I do have to wonder about something and must ask it. What was it missing that allowed it to rise to four instead of five stars?


J.G. Keely Well, it's a few things. I reviewed it some time after reading it, so it wasn't as fresh in my head, and I remember some of the pacing being a bit stilted, even given the thoughtful, ponderous style. I have dithered over that last star, but the main thing that has kept it at a four is that I have Gormenghast at five stars, and I don't know if this quite that solid.


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Momentai You also have "King of Elfland's Daughter" as a five star as well. But thanks for answering though, brought it cheap on my Nook because of this review. Always wondered on the use of footnotes, so hopefully it'll teach me a few about structure.


J.G. Keely Yeah, I also gave Susanna Clarke's other book five, but both that book and Elfland achieved different things than Gormenghast. The footnotes in this book are mostly humorous, though it's not really a complex system: you put a little number after some word or sentence and then repeat the number either at the bottom of the page or at the end of the book, and explain something further about that word or idea which would break up the pace of the story, but it still interesting enough to share.


ElizaBeth Question: WHY did you keep reading? Jiminy!


J.G. Keely I'm sorry, I'm not sure whether you're playing along with the sarcasm of my review or whether you took it all in earnest.


message 28: by Riku (last edited Mar 12, 2012 03:04AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Riku Sayuj This review sucks. I much prefer reviews raving about the book than ones that you have to read to understand what the reader actually felt. I mean, why bother praising a book if you liked it so much? Sigh. ;)




J.G. Keely Now this one I'm pretty sure is sarcasm.


message 30: by Riku (new) - rated it 4 stars

Riku Sayuj I like the book more after reading the review. hmm..


J.G. Keely Funny how often we can appreciate something for what it isn't.


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Stephanie I have some issues with this book, but all your comments were right on the nose about things JS&MN does right and other fantasy books get wrong.


J.G. Keely Glad you think so. I don't think we should rate a book more highly just because it compares favorably to the average low-quality book, but I do think Clarke achieved some impressive things with her writing in this book. Thanks for the comment.


J.G. Keely I'm sure someone will write it, someday. Glad you liked the review, hope you get a chance to check this book out for yourself.


Keira I love this review! Thanks for writing it :)


J.G. Keely Thanks, glad you liked it.


Pallavi Gambhire Hi Keely. Loved the review. Although I am really confused by the conflict between your star rating and your review.


J.G. Keely I enjoyed the book, certainly it is well-written and researched, but I did not find that it had the sort of power or original vision of something like the Gormenghast series, so I felt it did not quite belong in the rarefied air of that level of masterwork. Then again, it's been a while since I read it, and I have often wondered if it might deserve that last star.


message 39: by Momentai (last edited Jun 12, 2012 04:36PM) (new) - added it

Momentai So, five stars only go to books that change your perception of life, huh?


Mathieu I like your review because it pinpoints a very important development about the current craze about fantasy, which is its problematic contents. I also appreciated Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell for its ambition but, like you I guess, I found it lacking in some aspects. In that I disagree with you because I found that Clarke is not a master of tone. But thanks for your review.


J.G. Keely Stardrag said: "So, five stars only go to books that change your perception of life, huh?"

Well, not quite. I guess in terms of this book and Gormenghast, it's that Peake does many of the same things as Clarke, but does them with more depth, variety, and mastery, so I felt I couldn't quite rate this book on par with his.

Mathieu said: "I like your review because it pinpoints a very important development about the current craze about fantasy . . ."

Thanks, glad you liked it and left a comment to let me know.


Mammoth Haha Wizard's Rule...it's nice to see how much JS&MN isn't like that


J.G. Keely Heh, mmhmm.


Hayley Hahaha! This made my day, thanks.


J.G. Keely Thanks, glad you liked it.


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Ty I really think you missed the mark on this one. I really don't think the fantasy genre needs more drawn out multi-volumed pseudo medieval mono... Oh wait you were being facetious weren't you? Actually just wanted to commend you on a perfect post. I haven't read a lot of fantasy (specifically for the reasons you mentioned)but I have read enough to appreciate this post. Thanks. P.s. The breast milk thing. Really?


J.G. Keely Well, I didn't read the book that has that particular scene--I heard about it from a friend--so I can't say how bad it really is. Glad you liked the review, thanks for the comment.


J.G. Keely Heh, thanks, glad you liked it.


Scribble Orca I have to say I'm very glad I haven't read a Game of Thrones :D.

I like this style very much :)


J.G. Keely Heh, well, it was fun to write, but I wouldn't want to make it a schtick.


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