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A Wealth of Technical Details
Let me get this clear up front.  I’m a Neal  Stephenson fan.   Cryptonomicon is one of my favorite books.   I also loved the Baroque Cycle series.  Snow Crash, not so much. That said, I was ambivalent (right up until the end) about whether to give this 3 stars or 4.  But the last section did it---four stars it is. My ambivalence is because of the very thing that makes Stephenson’s writing what it is---the plethora of technical details. Certainly Stephenson knows about space.  After all he worked for American aerospace company Blue Origin.   So there’s a real authenticity to the wealth of detail in the first two sections of the book. Â
My quarrel with the book would be that sometimes, Stephenson gets bogged down in the hard technical stuff that he understands so well. Â Actually, he's got an almost Aspergian obsession with technical minutiae. Â In that sense, this reminded me of "The Martian", although "Seveneves" is a much better book. Â Or put another way, I thought that sometimes the details got in the way of the story instead of advancing it.
  I became less certain about this as I progressed, since in many cases the technical details were the story.  This became more apparent in the last section, which took place in the far future.  Still, I think some of those details could have been cut and the book would have been better.
 The best moments in the book were those highlighting old fashioned narrative elements like character, story, and emotion.
Summary
Here's a summary:
Section One--Humanity's Last Two Years on Earth
In the first section, some unknown factor dubbed "The Agent" causes the moon to break apart. Â I think the time frame for this is contemporary. TV science commentator Doc Dubois, a.k.a Doob, determines that this will cause a massive meteor shower known as the White Sky which will destroy the earth, rendering it unihabitable. Â Mostly this will happen through a rain of fire known as the Hard Rain. (I wonder if Doob, an African-American astronomer whose full name is Dubois Xavier Jerome Harris, PhD, is modelled on Neil DeGrasse Tyson).
  Humanity has two years to prepare. So, most of the first section concerns a mad rush to save the human race by sending a small, hand picked cadre of assorted scientists, engineers, and other geeks into space.
Section Two--Earth is Defunct, Now What?
Section Two starts with the destruction of earth's seven billion via the White Sky, which precipitates the Hard Rain. Â It ends with the main space station of survivors finding an asteroid remnant of the moon, The Cleft, in which they can safely dock the space station, which has undergone various changes of name and configuration. Â The heroic acts and deaths of those who sacrifice themselves to save the human race make an amazing story. Â In the end, there are seven eves, women of childbearing age who will perpetuate the race. Â The Council of the Seven Eves includes Ivy Xiao, a scientist who is the captain of the space station; Moira Crewe, the geneticist; Â Dinah MacQuarie, astronaut, roboticist, and jill of all trades; Â Tekla, an Amazonian Russian cosmonaut who is an athlete and security guard as well; Â Camila, a young Muslim woman; Â and two others (not revealed because they are spoilers).
Section Three--Five Thousand Years in the Future
Section Three takes place five thousand years in the future. The human race is once again thriving, with three billion descendents of the Seven Eves living on a sort of Dyson ring in space known as The Habitat. It's an engineering culture. There are seven races, one descended from each Eve. Â Reflecting the friendships formed when the Eves were alive, the Moiran, Teklan, Dinan and Ivyn races have an alliance called Blue. Â The other three have an alliance called Red. Scientists have been terraforming earth in preparation for a massive return to the Earth's surface. A small interracial group--a Seven--is formed to take an exploratory trip to Earth. The expedition is headed up by Dr. Hu (a sly pun on...guess who?) What they find there is quite astonishing. I think the scope and breadth of the story are what won me over.
Bechdel Test
Also, I think this passes the Bechdel test. ( ) Lots of strong female characters that talk to each other about topics other than men. This is very rare in science fiction, especially in hard science fiction, so kudos to Neal for this. Â
Audio Readers
The audio had two readers. Â Mary Robinette Kowal read the first two sections and I did not care for her reading. Â She got most of the foreign accents laughably wrong, her renditions of male characters made me cringe, and she mispronounced lots of words. Â Will Damron, who read the last section, was much better.
Please forgive any typos, etc. Â My computer is broken and I am waiting for parts so I can repair it, but in the meantime my only online access is via my old and cranky Android phone or 45 minute computer sessions at the library..when it is open.

A Wealth of Technical Details
Let me get this clear up front.  I’m a Neal  Stephenson fan.   Cryptonomicon is one of my favorite books.   I also loved the Baroque Cycle series.  Snow Crash, not so much. That said, I was ambivalent (right up until the end) about whether to give this 3 stars or 4.  But the last section did it---four stars it is. My ambivalence is because of the very thing that makes Stephenson’s writing what it is---the plethora of technical details. Certainly Stephenson knows about space.  After all he worked for American aerospace company Blue Origin.   So there’s a real authenticity to the wealth of detail in the first two sections of the book. Â
My quarrel with the book would be that sometimes, Stephenson gets bogged down in the hard technical stuff that he understands so well. Â Actually, he's got an almost Aspergian obsession with technical minutiae. Â In that sense, this reminded me of "The Martian", although "Seveneves" is a much better book. Â Or put another way, I thought that sometimes the details got in the way of the story instead of advancing it.
  I became less certain about this as I progressed, since in many cases the technical details were the story.  This became more apparent in the last section, which took place in the far future.  Still, I think some of those details could have been cut and the book would have been better.
 The best moments in the book were those highlighting old fashioned narrative elements like character, story, and emotion.
Summary
Here's a summary:
Section One--Humanity's Last Two Years on Earth
In the first section, some unknown factor dubbed "The Agent" causes the moon to break apart. Â I think the time frame for this is contemporary. TV science commentator Doc Dubois, a.k.a Doob, determines that this will cause a massive meteor shower known as the White Sky which will destroy the earth, rendering it unihabitable. Â Mostly this will happen through a rain of fire known as the Hard Rain. (I wonder if Doob, an African-American astronomer whose full name is Dubois Xavier Jerome Harris, PhD, is modelled on Neil DeGrasse Tyson).
  Humanity has two years to prepare. So, most of the first section concerns a mad rush to save the human race by sending a small, hand picked cadre of assorted scientists, engineers, and other geeks into space.
Section Two--Earth is Defunct, Now What?
Section Two starts with the destruction of earth's seven billion via the White Sky, which precipitates the Hard Rain. Â It ends with the main space station of survivors finding an asteroid remnant of the moon, The Cleft, in which they can safely dock the space station, which has undergone various changes of name and configuration. Â The heroic acts and deaths of those who sacrifice themselves to save the human race make an amazing story. Â In the end, there are seven eves, women of childbearing age who will perpetuate the race. Â The Council of the Seven Eves includes Ivy Xiao, a scientist who is the captain of the space station; Moira Crewe, the geneticist; Â Dinah MacQuarie, astronaut, roboticist, and jill of all trades; Â Tekla, an Amazonian Russian cosmonaut who is an athlete and security guard as well; Â Camila, a young Muslim woman; Â and two others (not revealed because they are spoilers).
Section Three--Five Thousand Years in the Future
Section Three takes place five thousand years in the future. The human race is once again thriving, with three billion descendents of the Seven Eves living on a sort of Dyson ring in space known as The Habitat. It's an engineering culture. There are seven races, one descended from each Eve. Â Reflecting the friendships formed when the Eves were alive, the Moiran, Teklan, Dinan and Ivyn races have an alliance called Blue. Â The other three have an alliance called Red. Scientists have been terraforming earth in preparation for a massive return to the Earth's surface. A small interracial group--a Seven--is formed to take an exploratory trip to Earth. The expedition is headed up by Dr. Hu (a sly pun on...guess who?) What they find there is quite astonishing. I think the scope and breadth of the story are what won me over.
Bechdel Test
Also, I think this passes the Bechdel test. ( ) Lots of strong female characters that talk to each other about topics other than men. This is very rare in science fiction, especially in hard science fiction, so kudos to Neal for this. Â
Audio Readers
The audio had two readers. Â Mary Robinette Kowal read the first two sections and I did not care for her reading. Â She got most of the foreign accents laughably wrong, her renditions of male characters made me cringe, and she mispronounced lots of words. Â Will Damron, who read the last section, was much better.
Please forgive any typos, etc. Â My computer is broken and I am waiting for parts so I can repair it, but in the meantime my only online access is via my old and cranky Android phone or 45 minute computer sessions at the library..when it is open.
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Even for me, the tech stuff was an obstacle at times.
Persist! Try again! The payoff is worth it.

Because I reserve 5 stars for something that's nearly perfect. I rarely give 5 stars.
I really, really liked this. But in the first parts of the book, Stevenson got a bit too bogged down in the technical details sometimes. Please read my review, because I explain that there.

I guess that's personal preference. I enjoyed all the 'technical details'. I don't see it as a bogging down effect. ;)
But then, I've been in engineering for over 20 yrs, worked on such things as the Martian rover, and much of the shuttle transfers.

I guess that's personal preference. I enjoyed all the 'technical details'. I don't see it as a bogging down effect. ;)
But then, I've been in engineering for over 20 yrs, worked on such things as the Martian rover, and much of the shuttle transfers.
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That's an impressive background.
I have a technical background also (software), although not as impressive as yours.
I did like the technical details. But from a literary point of view, I thought at one point there were too many of them and it slowed things down.
Yes, the number of stars awarded is based on personal preference.
But I did give this four stars, which is pretty high for me.
Five stars is much rarer.

The way I appoint the 5 stars is that if the book did everything the author wanted it to, I award it� I do subtract for far too many errors, misused words, twisted logic, bad attitude, that kind of thing. And I do note those in my reviews.
Then I'll think of my overall enjoyment of the book, and might add another point for the brain tickling, original content, great ideas, etc.
And really, we ALL award the stars by personal preference. It bothers me that some people will review a book on whether I "liked" the book or not. That alone isn't really a fair rating. IMHO

True. Ok, maybe perfect was the wrong word. You're right, nothing is ever really perfect.
I'm afraid I do award the stars based on how much I enjoyed the book. :( Did it move me? Was it original? Did it go deep, etc.?


Tooter, I'm glad you enjoyed the book. I got bogged down in the technical details sometimes too!
I did too, but I don't give five stars too often. I gave it four stars, which for me is pretty high!
Neil Stephenson is always an interesting read.

Not sure that I'm up for reading more Neil Stephenson Mona. His others look to be too "heavy" for my taste.

You might want to try Snow Crash
It's his most lightweight and entertaining book. He wrote it earlier in his career.

Tooter, if you know ahead of time that you're in for a deep, enjoyable read, it's wonderful. You can have fast food, but that divine French restaurant with the 9 course meal is special.
The Baroque cycle taught me these things:
How the idea of "money" and finance came about (haven't you been curious about how we hand ~paper over, in the form of checks or currency instead of heavy gold coins came about?)
The interaction and behind what we were told of the World Wars and how it truly affected the men who fought in them. Mostly the Pacific part though. No rehashing of the nazis.
How Physics as a science came about.
What Newton was like. Plus all his contemporaries.
What being a Puritan means. (And not the Thanksgiving version.)
How and why London was built like it was (clue: ONE architect!)
There's so much more.
It becomes a fiction because Stephenson invented a family and followed it for generations from about 1640, I think.
This series is one o would take if I was to spend the rest of my life on
That Desert Island people sometimes talk about. Lol
At the end of it, that series was a close friend. :D

Tooter, if you know ahead of time that you're in for a deep, enjoyable read, it's wonderful. You can have fast food, but that divine ..."
Well I certainly learned a lot from reading Seveneves. Thanks for giving me a different perspective! 9 course meal, huh? Love your metaphors Meran!

Tooter, if you know ahead of time that you're in for a deep, enjoyable read, it's wonderful. You can have fast food, but that divine ..."
Hear hear! I second the motion.
"The Baroque Cycle" is really fascinating stuff!

I'm trying to remember something I heard a few days past. It was about learning from reading "fiction", there's actually a term for it, but darned if I can remember it just now...
Of course you won't take a steady diet of large tomes, but it can be addictive!

I do learn a lot from reading fiction.
And I do read a lot of large tomes...especially this year.
