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Oedipus Rex by Sophocles
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THE EYE THAT DIES


I have not read Sophocles� text recently, but listened to
exceptional audio edition. Powerfully acted out, with an eerie chorus and dramatic music, it has been a superb experience.

I have come back to this play now in a roundabout way. As part of a Seminar on Aesthetics, The Eye that Thinks, imparted in the Prado Museum, we were prompted by our Professor Félix de Azúa to read Oedipus in a Hegelian framework. We had been discussing the contributions of Hegel to Aesthetics, and he wanted us to visit the play and think of the role of Sphinx and the significance of Thebes.

In Hegel’s aesthetic system he identified Greek sculptures as the apex of what art could achieve in its quest of perfect and supreme beauty. Earlier architecture and art were still immature attempts. For example, the large Egyptian monuments were undertakings in which matter still prevailed over Geist. When Hegel saw some Kouroi in Munich (now in the Glyptotech), specimens of very early Greek art, he was struck by the significance of the step in this walking man.




In Egyptian representations of humans, legs are seen in profile. They depicted stability, while the Greek marble in Munich man was striding forward. The Kouros, although still using Egyptian conventions presented something very new. It embodied gesture. And Hegel thought that art should strive to represent movement.

The conceptual step of the Kouros, an awakening out of immobility, separated the worlds of the two Thebes: the one in Boetia in ancient Greece from the one up the Nile in ancient Egypt. In Greece Geist was finally on the move.





If Hegel favoured Greek sculpture, he found that Greek drama could offer an additional dimension to sculpted beauty as the unfolding of time could be represented as well. For him Greek tragedy had invoked the greatest aesthetic power.



Hegel had also understood the Egyptian Sphinx as the first instance of the representation of human emerging out, liberating himself, from his animal nature. In this reading of Oedipus Rex as I have tried to keep on some sort of Hegelian glasses (and forget about the pervasive Freudian interpretation), I have seen the solution of Oedipus to the riddle of the Sphinx, and the consequent dissolution of the curse on Thebes and the destruction of the monster, as the emergence of humanity over its previous servitudes and imprisonment.

And yet, this conquered freedom also brought the possibility of unwilled intention or of the unintended will and the impossibility of unlearning what one already knows.

Trapped in this situation Oedipus attempt to escape his knowledge by doing away with his eyes, could only bring death.

As the chorus chants: it is the only liberation.





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March 4, 2015 – Shelved
March 4, 2015 – Shelved as: to-read
March 4, 2015 – Shelved as: classical
March 4, 2015 – Shelved as: classics
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March 17, 2015 – Finished Reading
November 21, 2015 – Shelved as: drama
April 6, 2025 – Shelved as: rereads

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Jasmine I am currently (re)reading it as well. I choose the Penguin Classics edition 'The Three Theban Plays' /book/show/1... which contains the plays 'Antigone' and 'Oedipus at Colonus' as well. It's translated by Robert Fagles and if you choose to read an English translation I would recommend it highly. I read his translation of 'The Oresteia' as well. I really hate the school editions of Reclam with their poor German translations...


Kalliope Jasmine wrote: "I am currently (re)reading it as well. I choose the Penguin Classics edition 'The Three Theban Plays' /book/show/1... which contains the plays 'Anti..."

Thank you... Actually, this one here is not the edition I am going to use... I have a wonderful boxed set of the three Greek dramaturges translated by Lattimore. I used the latter's version of Homer's texts.. and they were wonderful.

I reread Antigone a few years ago and I read these in school.. but now I have to read it again for a Seminar on Aesthetics I am taking in the Prado museum.


Jasmine Ha, I think everybody (in Europe at least) had to read Oedipus Rex at school!
Seminar on Aesthetics at the Prado Museum? Wow - sounds wonderful! I wish I could join you... Enjoy!


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Steve Kalliope, I've no idea whether you have access to bbc iplayer, but they have a new adaptation of Electra on their site.


Kalliope Steve wrote: "Kalliope, I've no idea whether you have access to bbc iplayer, but they have a new adaptation of Electra on their site. "

Thank you... yes, I can access it... Certainly to listen to....

I am actually listening to Oedipus Rex and may read it later, once I finish the Audio.. my two versions follow different translations.


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Steve I've yet to broach Sophocles. How are you finding him? I have the Oxford World's Classics translation of Antigone, Oedipus the King and Electra sitting on my Ereader. Do you tend to use English language translations?


Kalliope Steve wrote: "I've yet to broach Sophocles. How are you finding him? I have the Oxford World's Classics translation of Antigone, Oedipus the King and Electra sitting on my Ereader. Do you tend to use English lan..."

Yes, I am using English translations.. Have the Greene on paper for Oedipus Rex, but I am listening to this, which is fabulous...



Also, I saw years ago Pasolini's
which I am thinking of ordering.

Read Antigone a few years ago.., in this edition.




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Steve Kalliope wrote: "Steve wrote: "I've yet to broach Sophocles. How are you finding him? I have the Oxford World's Classics translation of Antigone, Oedipus the King and Electra sitting on my Ereader. Do you tend to u..."

I love some of the Naxos Audiobooks of Shakespeare's plays. They also have good recitations of a selection of Keats' and Yeats' poetry. I think Michael Sheen is one of the performers for the Naxos Romeo and Juliet and recites some of the Keats poetry they have done - I like his work. I'll add Oedipus the King to my wishlist. Thanks.


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Jan-Maat a striking interpretation - thank you :)


message 10: by Philippe (new)

Philippe Malzieu Very interesting Thank you for this remarkable review


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Teresa It's been some time since I read this, but I remember enough to get quite a bit out of your fascinating review, Kalliope.

P.S. That first link in your review doesn't work for me.


Kalliope Teresa wrote: "It's been some time since I read this, but I remember enough to get quite a bit out of your fascinating review, Kalliope.

P.S. That first link in your review doesn't work for me."


Thank you Teresa (double thank you). I was glad to listen to this again because the elements that drew my attention now were not the ones I remembered from my first read....

Solved the link..

Have you seen Pasolini's film with Silvana Mangano?


Kalliope Jan-Maat wrote: "a striking interpretation - thank you :)"

Thank you, Jan-Maat. Very pleasing feedback, especially coming from you.


Kalliope Philippe wrote: "Very interesting Thank you for this remarkable review"

Merci bien, Philippe...


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Teresa Kalliope wrote: "Have you seen Pasolini's film with Silvana Mangano?"

I haven't. It does look good. I don't believe I've seen any version of it, except the one performed by my fellow high school classmates (all-girls school). ;)


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Fionnuala It took me two reads to absorb the argument here, Kalliope, and even then! Complex stuff.
I love the tracing of the evolution between the two dimensional Egyptian figuration and the Greek Kouros striding out though. Even in sculpture, the Egyptians didn't separate the legs from the mass of a statue, did they? Or they showed them in a sitting position.
Then there's the 'unlearning' message. Powerful.
And superb illustrations as usual. The last one!


Kalliope Teresa wrote: "Kalliope wrote: "Have you seen Pasolini's film with Silvana Mangano?"

I haven't. It does look good. I don't believe I've seen any version of it, except the one performed by my fellow high school c..."


I will probably order it in DVD.. I saw years ago this Pasolini film and it had a great impact.. I still remember scenes...

By chance as I was writing this review, I received a notification from a theatre in Madrid which I like and they are putting on, soon, Oedipus, Medea and Antigone.

What a chance!!


Kalliope Marita wrote: "Kalliope, have you listened to Stravinsky's opera 'Oedipus Rex'? Also, if you're interested, Mikis Theodorakis composed a set of operas, 'Antigone', 'Elektra' and 'Medea'."

No, I have not listened to this Stravinsky and will surely look for it.. I was a great fan of Theodorakis some years ago.. will try to listen to these pieces to see if I still like his music.


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PGR Nair Kalliope, I am not sure whether you read the play after the audio session. If not, please do read the text as well. One of the greatest of Greek Tragedies. About 10 years ago, I did a mono-drama on stage byhearting that intense passage where slow questioning of the Shepherd by Oedipus leads to the realization that Jocasta was his mother. One of the most riveting dramatic passages that I have read.


Kalliope PGR wrote: "Kalliope, I am not sure whether you read the play after the audio session. If not, please do read the text as well. One of the greatest of Greek Tragedies. About 10 years ago, I did a mono-drama on..."

Thank you for reading and commenting, PGR.

I had read this play a few years ago, and plan to reread it again soon.

But in defence of the audio versions of plays, remember that they were written to be performed, not read... Some later exceptions are plays such as Lorenzaccio, since it would last over 6 hours..!!!

I am becoming a fan of reading and listening at the same time, but with this play the editions I have are by different translators.

I have two in text form, one by David Grene and one by Watling.. Do you have a favourite one?

I want to reread it nonetheless because I will also be attending a performance in a couple of months.. I just got the tickets.


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PGR Nair Kalliope, David Grene is my choice. Fitts/Fitzgerald translation is also good.


Kalliope PGR wrote: "Kalliope, David Grene is my choice. Fitts/Fitzgerald translation is also good."

Thank you, PGR....


Kalliope Fionnuala wrote: "It took me two reads to absorb the argument here, Kalliope, and even then! Complex stuff.
I love the tracing of the evolution between the two dimensional Egyptian figuration and the Greek Kouros s..."


Fionnuala, I am sorry my review has turned into another riddle by the Sphynx. Since I prefer not to jump into the precipice, I have fleshed out a bit more the reasoning... I was perhaps too excited when I left the Seminar... and my thoughts jumped around too much...

Thank you for your patience...!!!!....


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Fionnuala Kalliope wrote: "Fionnuala, I am sorry my review has turned into another riddle by the Sphynx. Since I prefer not to jump into the precipice, I have fleshed out a bit more the reasoning..."

Between the riddle of the Sphinx and the riddle of Hegel, I was a bit lost! - I probably need a seminar on Aesthetics but in the meantime, I'll just have a seminar from Kalliope instead!
Thanks again for such a stimulating review.


Kalliope Fionnuala wrote: "Kalliope wrote: "Fionnuala, I am sorry my review has turned into another riddle by the Sphynx. Since I prefer not to jump into the precipice, I have fleshed out a bit more the reasoning..."

Betwee..."


:)

I am beginning to think whether it would not be safer to not try to learn more about Aesthetics... Learning that knowledge can be dangerous and that there is no way back... may be I should stay put...


Laura Nice review, Kalliope. I also like the pictures you put in. The scene where Oedipus enters the stage after he blinds himself is dramatic.


Kalliope Laura wrote: "Nice review, Kalliope. I also like the pictures you put in. The scene where Oedipus enters the stage after he blinds himself is dramatic."

Thank you, Laura....Yes... this is an extraordinary tragedy.


Kalliope Lada wrote: "Excellent play excellent Review that enters the mood of the play in taking an account of its complexities"

Thank you, Lada... It was very relevant also in the Seminar I attended.


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