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Dune by Frank Herbert
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really liked it
bookshelves: classic, sci-fi, awards-of-all-sorts, hugo, nebula

I blame the movie.

I was an avid but novice fantasy and sci-fi reader in 1984 when David Lynch’s Dune rolled out as a big-budget adaptation of the 1965 classic book. It was an artistic and box-office failure with Roger Ebert calling it “a real mess, an incomprehensible, ugly, unstructured, pointless excursion.� Numerous references were made to its excessive length, particularly a tv edition that was over 3 hours long. I never did pick up the classic sci-fi book, assuming the commentary heard about the movie applied to the book. All that changed when I broke my finger and found myself with a lot of extra time on my hands (groan).

Besides, sandworms.

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Dune has a lot of ingredients that don’t fit into my preferred stories, yet the gestalt was not only tolerable, but engrossing.

It begins with the Atreides family preparing to shift their holding from their current home to the planet of Arrakis. The Emperor has given the Atreides the territory and trade on the planet of Arrakis, formerly under control of their enemies, the Harkonnen. The planet Arrakis is hot, arid and generally hostile to life. There is, however, a small population of native, fierce Freman who have managed to build an existence in the desert.

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Paul Atreides is the young heir of the family, and mystical testing reveals he might be the one prophesied.

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Paul undergroes a rapid growth curve, facilitated by his teacher Dr. Yeuh and his father’s advisors.

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But it is in the desert that Paul will discover his strength as well as his new people.

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Seriously, now.

Honestly, I have to wonder how much of this like is generational. If Sanderson or Rothfuss wrote this book, two chapters in Dune would have made a whole book, and while detail may have been added, it likely would have made for a book as slow as the movie. I liked the scope of Dune, and that there is a resolution to the initial conflict. It is also interesting that despite the volume of concepts packed in here, with political maneuvers, terraforming, technology, cultural assimilation, and mysticism all playing roles that I didn’t find it overwhelming, perhaps because so much is genre-familiar.

On the downside, it could have perhaps used a bit more transitions, particularly near the end when months at a time are skipped. Writing was solid; nothing really stood out, but it told the story well. There’s some vague mysticism that might irritate those who like explanations. It was a bit of an eye-roller to have the chief villain be a fat, gay, sadistic pedophile, but Herbert really isn’t thinking outside the trope character box much (it’s not enough that he sentences people to death but he has to be physically abhorrent? And gay?). World-building is fun, but standard desert.

Overall, I’m glad that I finally took the time to read it and put those old assumptions to rest. I love a good hero.

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Reading Progress

October 3, 2015 – Shelved
December 10, 2015 – Started Reading
December 13, 2015 –
70.0% "I'm really quite surprised how much I'm enjoying this."
December 16, 2015 – Finished Reading

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Mr. Matt I'm glad!


carol. i'm working on the review... hope it amuses and explains.


Bradley Nice review. Love the Bacon. :) Did you fry it up with a little Melange?


Alexandra Great review! I read this so long ago, I need to re-read it.


carol. Brad wrote: "Nice review. Love the Bacon. :) Did you fry it up with a little Melange?"

mmm. Bacon doesn't need any mixing. ;)


carol. Auntie J wrote: "Great review! I read this so long ago, I need to re-read it."

thank you--and for how thick it is, i felt it went very quickly. but there are som many books out there to read the first time...


Ctgt Umm..the correct rating would be 5 stars ;)
This was one of those seminal books for me. I read this when I was in my late teens and it has always held a special place in my reading experience. I still read it every few years. Glad to hear you enjoyed it.


carol. I can see why it would be a personal favorite, Ctgt. It holds up well for 50 years old!


Naomi I love this book and I love your review! I actually reread Dune this year. It's weird. Some books I read for the first time, get an idea about what's about to happen, and then don't enjoy the reading because I'm just waiting for whatever it is to happen. With Dune, I've read it and seen the movies and I know how it all goes down, but when I reread it I'm still hanging on every word looking for a way that things can go differently.

Glad you liked it!


carol. thanks, Naomi. i imagine the political background and the spice issue gices it a lot of layered re-readabilty. Plus, classic hero tale.


message 11: by Arie (new) - rated it 5 stars

Arie If you're still at all struggling to get past Lynch's destruction of this book, I can recommend the documentary "Jodorowsky's Dune" - utterly bizarre but a fantastic watch! (I'm unsure what Jodorowsky's film would have been like (or if it would even be watchable) had it come to pass but the documentary of his creation process is fascinating!)


Bradley I would have loved to see Jodorowsky's creation, too. What a mindtrip that documentary was.


Naomi Hero tales are the best. But I've learned something about myself recently. I only like self confident heroes. Paul, for instance, knows exactly who he is because he can see into the future and the past. Spider-Man, on the other hand, is a whiney little b**** who should've let somebody else get bit. Oh geez. I may have brought old grievances where they don't belong.


message 14: by Caro (new) - rated it 5 stars

Caro the Helmet Lady LMAO on pictures!! :D


James Guess I'll be giving Lynch's adaptation a skip, then, since I've just last week discovered Netflix has it. You've also given me the weird idea of rereading this book with the Tremors movies and Weapon of Choice song playing in the background. Fun review!


message 16: by Dan (new) - rated it 3 stars

Dan Schwent Love the Tremors stuff. I should probably re-read this at some point.


message 17: by Mimi (new) - rated it 3 stars

Mimi Everything's better with a side of Bacon lol. Nice review, Carol. I'm glad it worked out for you.


Stuart Glad you liked it - I revisited it on audiobook for the first time in 25 years and it was still amazing. Also watched the Lynch movie and (as my review explains), I don't think he quite deserves the scorn that is usually heaped on him. He certainly couldn't capture the book, but who could back in 1984. It was a valid artistic attempt, even if it failed. I REALLY want to see Jodorowsky's Dune, that looks fascinating. Just wish I could rent instead of buy. And I did order the mini-series done by Sy-Fy Channel, which is waiting under the Christmas Tree - haven't heard much about that.
I strongly recommend avoiding all the Dune sequels - all the complexity, with none of the excitement. Hugely disappointing.


Sebastien I need to reread this book. What a shame Jodorowsky never got his Dune made. Moebius storyboards and concept art! the documentary of Jodorowksy's Dune is really great.


Bradley The mini series wasn't horrible. It had some strengths that the Lynch movie didn't, but it also had some unnecessarily added parts. Book 2 and 3 are combined in the second one, which I'm ambivalent about.

It's kind of odd, on reflection... I've watched the extended Lynch over twenty times. For a real piece of shit, it's still popular, and not just with me. I know quite a few people who still watch it every now and again.

I make fun of it, sure, but it WAS the whole reason I read the book in the first place, to my everlasting joy. :)


Apatt Your reviews never disappoint Carol, lots of insightful observations there. So, Dune Messiah next? :)


Amy (Other Amy) LOVE the text/image mash up! Dune is a huge ideas book, even when particular ideas take a bonkers turn, somehow it all works together. I really should reread it. (The rest of the series doesn't achieve the same magic; I don't remember much of book 2 but book 3 was so silly I couldn't read any more after that.)


Bradley I hated book 2, but I liked how book 3 became book 4. The action wasn't great, but the ideas were. Leto II was the shit, and I loved what he became in books 5 and 6, but Duncan Idaho REALLY stole the show. I remember geeking out HEAVY after reading the first book right after finishing the series.

The first book was really fantastic, but taking the entire series together as one majestic flow of "The Golden Path" was truly fantastic in conception, if not particularly enthralling in execution. Still, I don't think they were that bad. They suffer mostly because we compare them to his masterpiece, but in terms of regular SF, they're still damn good. I loved what the Bene Gesserit pulled off in creating their Duncan Idaho, and dealing with the remnant of Leto II just blew my mind.

Great ideas.


Casey Nice review. First book is the best. If you do read any sequels or prequels, stay clear of the ones written by Herbert's son and Anderson.


message 25: by Bradley (last edited Dec 17, 2015 08:40AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bradley --- Unless you are a glutton for punishment, and I was, but I quit after the Butlerian Jihad trilogy. It just feels like milking the sacred cow, and I had such high hopes.


Amy (Other Amy) Brad wrote: "The first book was really fantastic, but taking the entire series together as one majestic flow of "The Golden Path" was truly fantastic in conception, if not particularly enthralling in execution."

You are a more dedicated reader than I am :) I hated Ghanima's story arc, and I couldn't take the series seriously at all after that. I don't want to say any more than that here as I don't want to spoil anyone who does want to read it.


Bradley Well it's true that Ghanima's story arc wasn't that impressive, but I did enjoy (or hated to see, actually,) Alia's progression, and of course, Paul.


carol. Naomi wrote: "Hero tales are the best. But I've learned something about myself recently. I only like self confident heroes. Paul, for instance, knows exactly who he is because he can see into the future and the ..."

Naomi--I agree, or at least ones that aren't trying to shirk their responsibilities. I'm not a comic reader, so i can't speak to Whiny-Spidey. ;)


carol. Amy (Other Amy) wrote: "LOVE the text/image mash up! "

Thanks! sandworms started me off, and it ended up meshing quite well.

Now I really want to watch Tremors. Never too much Bacon, Mimi!

Thanks for the advice to all you movie/tv/adaptation watchers out there, but i'm not much of a tv watcher. The Lynch adaptation sounds creepy too--overplayed sexuality. But the cast list has Sting and Patrick Stewart. Too funny!

I'm not sure I'll be going on--the consensus even among dedicated Duners is follow-ups not so good, no?


Amy (Other Amy) I'd say leave it as a standalone; better that way. (I definitely don't qualify as a dedicated Duner though; it's just the first book that really lives in my mind.)


Bradley The ones written by Frank were very satisfying... AFTER the fact. ON reflection. ;)


Justine Awesome review Carol! I was actually just telling my kids about Tremors the other day:)


carol. I just ordered the collectors' edition... of Tremors.


Amy (Other Amy) Carol. wrote: "I just ordered the collectors' edition... of Tremors."
So perfect!


Athena LOVE the Dune/Tremors analogy, as much as I love Tremors' 'taunting the sand worm' theme! "Broke into the wrong goddamned rec room, didn't ya!"


carol. The rebirth of the 'creature-feature.' Thanks, Athena.


Mr. Matt Excellent review, as always. I'll just add my $.02 and recommend against the sequels. Dune on its own is a classic. I could never get into the other books in the same way.


carol. Thanks, Mr. Matt. I'll take the suggestion. You steered me right on Dune--I think it was your re-read that caught my eye.


Shelley Smallwood It's Kevin Bacon! No way! Just read the book, never new it existed! And boy do people take sci-first seriously! But these are the first pics of the movie I've seen! Thanks!


carol. Kevin Bacon is awesome. Really, first pics? It's a cult classic from the 80s--totally cheesy. But it didn't stop me from ordering it!


Cathy I love Tremors, such a great, fun movie! Works spectacularly well with your review... :-)


carol. Thanks, Cathy. Tremors is fun! I made my mom watch it as well. :)


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Gauri This book is pretty huge (at least by my standards), so I haven't picked it up yet in case it was quite dry or more cerebral or slow. But I've heard so many good things about this, and your review has made me put it up a teensy bit higher on my priority list. :)


carol. I thought it moved pretty fast, Gauri. It is certainly a classic, but there are other books that are--gasp--better if one has limited reading time :)


Lost Planet Airman Sweet review! THAT'S what I'm talking about!
(But the movie DID have Sting.)


carol. Oooh, good point, Mike. I forgot about that.


message 47: by Lata (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lata I read this one while in university, so it's a little hazy in my memory. I remember I enjoyed it, and reread this a couple of times. I never moved on to the following Dune books, though.


Stephen Brilliant connection to Tremors! I just saw they made a Tremors 5 in 2015 ten years after the last one. Reboot!


carol. Lata wrote: "I read this one while in university, so it's a little hazy in my memory. I remember I enjoyed it, and reread this a couple of times. I never moved on to the following Dune books, though."

From what I heard, you aren't missing anything (see above thread!)


carol. Stephen wrote: "Brilliant connection to Tremors! I just saw they made a Tremors 5 in 2015 ten years after the last one. Reboot!"

Thanks, Stephen. Apparently he's signed on for a tv remake with Amazon... no word on if it's progressing.


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