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Ender’s Game (Ender's Saga, #1)
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May 26, 2007
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I was savaged by a miniature poodle the other day--wait--no, someone protested my review of The Giver the other day. If you have any pent-up rage from that college lit teacher who forced you to think about books, be sure to stop by and spew some incoherent vitriol--my reviews are now a socially acceptable site of catharsis for the insecure.
In any case, one of them made the argument that children need new versions of great books that are stupider, because children are just stupid versions of normal people. Happily-enough, The Giver is a totally stupid version of A Clockwork Orange or whatever Dystopian book (actually, it's a rewrite of Ayn Rand's Anthem).
Coincidentally, in my review of Alice In Wonderland, I happen to put forth my own philosophy regarding children's books. In short: they should present a complex, strange, many-faceted, and never dumbed-down world, because presenting a simple, one-sided, dumbed-down world both insults and stultifies a child's mind.
However, if someone were to say that this book were a childrenized version of Starship Troopers, I wouldn't sic a poodle on them. Both present a human/bug war, deal with the issues of death, war, the military complex, human interaction, personal growth, and all that good stuff.
Also, both authors have their heads up their asses and there must be a pretty good echo in there since they keep yelling their hearts out about one personal opinion or another. However, Orson Scott Card doesn't get into his pointless author surrogate diatribes until the second book in this series, so we may enjoy the first one uninterrupted.
So it's a pretty good book for children, and like romeo and Juliet, it's easy to see the appeal: kid defeats bullies and plays videogames to save the world(in one of the sequels, they save the world by making angry comments on the internet--surprising that one isn't more popular here). But more than that, it's not a bad book in general, so I guess I don't have to bother defining it as dumbed-down, or 'for kids'. Then again, a lot of grown-ups seem like they need their books dumbed-down. Just look at The Da Vinci Code compared to The Satanic Verses, or Foucault's Pendulum; or all three compared to The Illuminatus Trilogy. I'm pretty sure when it comes to stupid versions of things, adults have the monopoly.
In any case, one of them made the argument that children need new versions of great books that are stupider, because children are just stupid versions of normal people. Happily-enough, The Giver is a totally stupid version of A Clockwork Orange or whatever Dystopian book (actually, it's a rewrite of Ayn Rand's Anthem).
Coincidentally, in my review of Alice In Wonderland, I happen to put forth my own philosophy regarding children's books. In short: they should present a complex, strange, many-faceted, and never dumbed-down world, because presenting a simple, one-sided, dumbed-down world both insults and stultifies a child's mind.
However, if someone were to say that this book were a childrenized version of Starship Troopers, I wouldn't sic a poodle on them. Both present a human/bug war, deal with the issues of death, war, the military complex, human interaction, personal growth, and all that good stuff.
Also, both authors have their heads up their asses and there must be a pretty good echo in there since they keep yelling their hearts out about one personal opinion or another. However, Orson Scott Card doesn't get into his pointless author surrogate diatribes until the second book in this series, so we may enjoy the first one uninterrupted.
So it's a pretty good book for children, and like romeo and Juliet, it's easy to see the appeal: kid defeats bullies and plays videogames to save the world(in one of the sequels, they save the world by making angry comments on the internet--surprising that one isn't more popular here). But more than that, it's not a bad book in general, so I guess I don't have to bother defining it as dumbed-down, or 'for kids'. Then again, a lot of grown-ups seem like they need their books dumbed-down. Just look at The Da Vinci Code compared to The Satanic Verses, or Foucault's Pendulum; or all three compared to The Illuminatus Trilogy. I'm pretty sure when it comes to stupid versions of things, adults have the monopoly.
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I guess I'll figure it out if you say the same thing about my unkind reviews of Ishmael and The Giver. Then again, you may not want to interpose yourself with that awful mess.
In any case, thanks for the comment. It's nice not to have to exist in a void of utter relativity.


When I first read the book, I thought it was vaguely interesting until I got to end and realized there was no bibliography. No one spends a year researching a book and then hides their sources. It was at that moment that I knew that Brown was not only a poor writer, but a sensationalist and hack, as well.
hahaha! AMEN brother. I might have to adopt you and drag you to Easter dinner. Imagine the conversations... Old gramps might crack a smile for once.
(and can I borrow your shirt?)
(and can I borrow your shirt?)

This bond can be strengthened even more when the mind and spirit of the soldiers is broken down, forcing them to work together just to get through the day. There is a reason the US military employs more psychologists than any other institution in the world: breaking down men and making them reliable and responsive to orders is a difficult task.
Historically, it was somewhat easier, since the men who formed the armies knew each other since childhood, meaning trust could be built between them over time. However, the romance of these fighting men relying one on the other has always been dependent on non-warriors.
The Spartans of 'Gates of Fire' were supported by their slave class and warrior kings like Richard the Lionheart and Henry V bled their countries dry to support the foreign wars that kept them away from their kingdoms for years at a time.
This military bond between soldiers is often a curious one, as it is not judgmental or based upon the character or personality of the other man. Even if you don't like a guy, you learn to deal with him. You still have to trust each other: even if you don't know his deepest thoughts, you have to be able to predict him.
Since this bond is not one of character, it's nature can change depending on the men involved. Sometimes one man supports another while he fights a hostile foe, and sometimes he supports his compatriot while they kill innocents and torch a village.
The military is a social tool, and may serve many ends. It is neither good nor bad, in and of itself, but is capable of producing some of the most admirable and some of the most despicable acts of man. Often one after the other.
When Shakespeare wrote Henry V, he was not just presenting a national epic of the romance of war, though if you concentrate on the glorious speeches, it might seem that way. Of course, the whole world seems different to the man who only looks at the glorious speeches.
Shakespeare's play shows both sides, the glory and the pillage, the upper class officers and their honor and the lower class soldiers and their savagery. In America we still draw our infantries from poverty and our officers from the elite.
This is not to say the upper class is morally superior to the lower, but rather that they can more easily afford to be honorable in a world that doesn't often reward it.
Heinlein was a military man, and Starship Troopers gives us the fruits of his experience. Like many of his books, he writes long diatribes about his philosophies. A man can be effectively right and still be talking out of his ass. If his protagonist suddenly launched into an angry rant about the proper way to plane a drawer, the soapbox might be easier to see.
One of the most difficult things in reading is seeing when an author is on his high horse even when he agrees with us. Seeing past the author's point of view is easy, it's seeing past ourselves that often eludes us.
There is a reason that Starship Troopers is the only sci fi book on the West Point reading list: it accords with military philosophies and it does so bombastically. It is as strong an argument for the military way of life as Stranger in a Strange Land is for Unitarian hippy love-ins.
Card doesn't start his rants until the second Ender book, which leaves Ender's Game mostly a fun adventure. However, some have pointed out that Ender's propensity to resolve all things by violence is condoned by the author, which is curious.
Usually, an exceptionally smart child (or leader) uses more subtle means and only resorts to violence when it is the most effective option. Resorting to violence too often lessens its effect and invites resentment.
On the playground and the battlefield, violence is often seen as its own justification, and that's been enough for colonialists, nationalists, and Action Movie plots. But violence can't be a solution, because it doesn't end: there are always others to take it up when the old guard dies.
Violence is a process, a tug of war through generations. The kid who was picked on in the yard grows up to pick on others. When a war ends and leaves some nation's economy and infrastructure devastated, that nation starts a new war to recoup their losses.
It's always curious when war is romanticized, because war doesn't really need it. War is waged to restructure wealth, land, and social orders. Men will serve and some will die and each will get his pittance and his stories and Agamemnon will get the lion's share.
It's structured like a corporation, except that the military has a special social dispensation to deal death to achieve its business. This means the stresses are higher and the employees take their jobs more seriously.
I don't say this to belittle combat, but rather to state that the romantic ideal of it is a bit silly. We don't war to kill evil men, we war to safeguard our habitual way of life, even at the expense of others. If we live for oil, we war for it, if we live for money, we war for that. So it has always been.
Why romanticize it? To feel better about it? To feel righteous? Surely, it makes it easier to do, but that doesn't make it honest. It's easier to kill a faceless man you believe to be evil, but there are no such men, or at least very few. On the other side of your barrel is usually some other poor, dumb bastard about to die for his country.
With death so close, tales of honor, bravery, and nobility seem more remarkable. They are circulated as the heart of the warrior, but honor, bravery, and nobility are not traits all warriors have, nor traits common men lack.
Anyone who romanticizes military life for such ideals is ignoring the fact that any man, at any time can give his life in service of the betterment of the world, can show his honor, his bravery, and his nobility and need never lift a gun. There are enough struggles in this world that we should never fear of an opportunity to show our character.

The Anita Blake series is in my to-read pile. I've heard good things; hopefully they won't disappoint.
If you've already written some reviews at other sites, you could always copy/paste them to this one. I don't think anyone would begrudge you.
Thanks for the comment. Ta.


At least this book ends in a manner that one can just walk away from it satisfied...

When I was having trouble getting into the second one, I asked around to a few people I knew, and according to them, it doesn't get better. Then again, I know some people who really enjoyed the entire series, but most of them liked the preachiness because they agreed with Card. I don't really like preachy authors, period--whether I agree or disagree with them, I don't think it makes for a very entertaining story.

I couldn't get into the second one long enough to get to the ending, but thanks for your thoughts, Andrew.

And as to dumbing things down... Don't confuse the purpose or intent of great works of literature with that of bestsellers. Mindless, but entertaining escapism, versus an introspective, hard-won intellectual pursuit. NOT criticizing, just saying, don't be so upset that when people are posed with taking a mental vacation or delving into something conceptually rich that requires effort to read and understand, most people will take the vacation. Or at the very least, don't be surprised. :)

I think in both Ender's Game and The Giver, the authors are trying to engage the reader in philosophical arguments, and I would hardly call them 'fun adventures'. In addition, I compare Ender's Game to Starship Troopers, which are both popular genre works, not thoughtful pieces of great literature, though they both analyze something about the psychology of war.
I don't see a point here where I'm comparing a rip roarin' adventure story to a high-minded piece of prose mastery. Indeed, in my last paragraph, I'd suggest The Illuminatus! Trilogy is twenty times more silly and adventurous than Da Vinci Code.

What I was trying to say (which I don't believe I expressed very coherently) was that the translation of a philosophical point or an existential quandary is often spelled out directly in bestsellers. So instead of having to read into allegory or search for a meaning beyond the text, its all there in black and white. I'm not attempting to disagree with you.I found myself thinking of Ender's Game after I put it down. Compared to, lets say The Hunger Games where I do feel like, when the book was done, so was I. Does that make sense? That is a form of escapism - which I agree, should be reserved for adults while we continue to urge children down the complex path of creating the own internal narratives. While basically agreeing with you on nearly every point in your review, I just don't see the problem with adults reading something dumbed down or having a "monopoly" on that sort of spoon-fed philosophy people get from some books.
Sorry if this was a "Meh" response - I came to the conclusion halfway through that enjoying this book and discussing it with friends was enough for me, and after having someone tear me a new one for something I didn't say in another review, I don't have much left to offer. Some of that misguided vitriol you mentioned...

Whenever an author sits down and tries to explain their philosophy, that's not the sign of good writing or exciting writing. I agree that a lot of bestsellers do this, but I think that's because a lot of bestsellers aren't very well written.
There are certainly some fun books that you can put down when you're done and not really think much more about them, but I don't think there's any need for long explanations in books like that.
Thanks for the comments.


I actually enjoy your reviews, Keely. Keep 'em coming!

My problem with it isn't the simplicity, it's the fact that it doesn't actually present us with ideas, but takes them for granted, as I explain in more detail in my review.
Lara said: "I'm so sick of this "we can't make the children overwork their little minds!" attitude."
Yeah, I know that unskilled teachers are only able to teach simple concepts, but a good teacher can teach any idea, if they have a good grasp of it. I saw a woman teach binary to fourth graders in five minutes, because she knew how to explain it.
Ariana said: "Keely my dear cousin...I love you! :-D"
Haha, very nice of you, thanks.
This review was hilarious. Satirical, sarcastic, witty and just plain awesome! I loved the part "because children are just stupid versions of people." It successfully refutes and contradicts every lame argument people use to defend the typical dumbed-down aspect of children's literature in just half a sentence. Brilliantly put.
I have to say, I too am quite tired of that kind of attitude, to think that the more stupid literature is, the better it is for kids, which is a common argument to defend badly written books like Twilight and Eragon. It is always better to provoke thought from a child than to prevent it.
I have to say, I too am quite tired of that kind of attitude, to think that the more stupid literature is, the better it is for kids, which is a common argument to defend badly written books like Twilight and Eragon. It is always better to provoke thought from a child than to prevent it.



Actually, I find it rather amusing a lot of the time--hence the poodle thing, I figured that would tip people off to the fact that I tend to take the whole thing pretty lightly. I mean, most of the negative comments I get are so inexpert and hypocritical that it's hard not to laugh at them--and I certainly can't imagine getting very worked up about them--one might as well get angry at a toddler for spilling their juice.
Corey wrote: "Keely, you are an intellectual force to be reckoned with. I admire your depth."
I totally agree.
I totally agree.





I tried reading the next book in the Ender series, but it got too preachy and slow-going for me, so I moved on to other things.


And to think: you were even going to believe my belief. Does that mean you now disbelieve my belief? What if I chose to disbelieve your disbelief?



Perhaps the fact that these ideas impressed you indicates that I should not bother to take your opinion of the books seriously. Then again, there's more to discussion than finding convenient reasons to disregard other people.



Yeah, I don't think I'm the one who is having a problem accepting someone else's opinion, since you're the one wandering around declaring other people's opinions wrong and then accusing them of not actually holding that opinion, at all.
I respect people's opinions when they can back up what they say. I do not have respect for people who wander the internet declaring others wrong whenever they feel threatened.
You said you don't take my opinion seriously because I didn't find the series good enough to keep reading. I countered that I can hardly take your opinion seriously, since you chose to keep reading books that I think are pretty sucky. It's a two way street.
You can't blithely say my opinion doesn't count, and then when I counter that yours doesn't either, accuse me of 'not being able to take someone's opinion'. Don't forget who started the opinion-denying in the first place.
"sometimes the best teachers present the material in a very simple manner"
Certainly true, and I respect a writer who is able to present ideas in a precise, accurate way. What I do not respect is long-winded preaching in the middle of what is supposed to be a story. When I say Card's work is simple, I don't mean stripped-down and effective, I mean simplistic, biased, and incomplete. After all, when I say he's preachy and long-winded, I could hardly mean that he's precise and accurate.

first part I liked was at the end of speaker for the dead when the two races sat down and wrote a treaty so that both cultures could flourish together, this has helped me realize that knowledge is one of the most important things one can have.
second in speaker for the dead was that i admired that there was a job that some one was to speak a persons death to find the absolute truth, which often healed many wounds. this help me also to realize that truth is one of the most important things to give and to receive
third was i admired that in xenocide that some one died for their faith (a missionary) i know it isn't original but i liked it purely because someone felt that strongly about their faith. also another person died for there belief which was also very strong because the person did it to help the entire world.
fourth i loved the discussion about how possibly we are no better than computer programs because of genetic code, i found it to be an interesting thought but i dismissed it as false because that scientist have discovered our code changes fifty percent over the course of our life.
fifth and lastly in xenocide i found it interesting that a genius who worked on a problem found the solution when a mere peasant girl who didn't even yet have a basic education suggested an idea. this helped me grow my thoughts bout accepting everyones opinion which im such an idiot because, not to be idolizing or anything, i did the same thing as the genius and dismissed your opinion and told you that you were wrong but then came up with the answer, which was to back up my opinion and give examples.
and for a closing statement i want to thank you because you have helped me develop my own philosophies even further by making me think about them and write them down to you, hopefully we could become friends and give each other book suggestion, i feel like the books you would suggest would be better than my friends books or my brother's since you actually seem to cre about ideas and philosophy as much as i do when it come to displaying them in a book.
THANK YOU

Well, I'm certainly glad we were able to come to some sort of understanding, and thank you for letting me know specifically what you liked about the later books. I'm not saying those aren't interesting ideas to explore--they are--my problem with the later books was how Card chose to write about those ideas.
I think that the best way to put your own philosophies and ideas into a book is to create characters and scenes that will allow those ideas to come to the reader's attention naturally. So, if an author wants to explore the idea of racism, for example, then he should create scenes that bring up different ideas related to racism, and show the audience how this idea plays out, in the real world.
What I felt Card did was just have the characters sit and think about things, and then tell us what they were thinking, which meant that instead of a story about ideas, the story was interrupted by a lot of lengthy discussions about the ideas. To me, that's like exploring racism by having the main character sit in his bedroom and just think to himself how racism is bad.
One of the standard rules of fiction writing is 'show, don't tell'. Don't tell us that a character is brave, show him being brave. Don't tell us that racism is harmful, show us examples of the harm it causes. Don't tell us your philosophy on life, show us how that philosophy works.
So, in Ender's Game, we don't have to be told how difficult the training is, or how dehumanizing a soldier's life can be--because we see it happening. We don't need long paragraphs of the characters thinking about it, because it's clear from their actions what they are thinking.
So when I opened up the next book, and found it was just the character sitting and thinking to himself for what amounted to an essay on philosophy, I didn't like that. If someone wants to write an essay on philosophy, that's great--but filling a novel with essays disguised as character thoughts is not a very effective way to tell a story.
So, that's what I mean by 'preachy'--that instead of showing us how people work through their interactions with the world, Card just sat down and told us about his ideas. Anyways, thanks for the comments.

