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I and Thou (Scribner Classic)
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I hesitate to write about this book, for, although it has influenced how I think about—and relate to--people, animals, the environment, works of art, prayer, God, you name it, there is much in it that I do not comprehend, and a few things that baffle me completely.
What I am sure about is that—before anything—this book is about the two essential ways in which we relate to the "other"--that is, whatever we perceive to exist that is apart from our self. We may either treat the other as a thing (describe it, classify it, analyze it, and manipulate it) or we may relate to it as a person (experiencing its presence, its uniqueness, its mystery, its irreducibility). These two ways are what Buber calls the two “primary words": “I-It� and “I-Thou.�
When I first read Buber as an undergraduate, I must have skimmed over most of the hard parts, for I felt strongly he was championing the “I-Thou� over the “I-It.� And this made sense, for it was part of the way we young people thought about life in the late '60's: reverence the earth, listen to the environment, treat animals as you would people, and experience the divine without presuming to conceptualize it. “I-It� was the world of businessmen, technocrats, and bishops; “I-Thou� was the world of artists, poets, and mystics. And I knew which side I was on.
Now I see Buber message as more nuanced, more profound. He is not presenting a dichotomy, or proposing a hierarchy of relations; he is describing the working out of a process, the nature of a dialogue. It is impossible for anyone to speak only one of the two primary words all the time. The mystic, for example, when he speaks the word “I-Thou� encounters God, but when later he describes the nature of this encounter to others, he must speak the word “I-It� if he is to be at all understood. “I-It� theological conceptions are barren without the “I-Thou� experience, but without the “I-It� analysis the mystical “I-Thou� is mere mute sensation, and degenerates quickly into solipsism. To be fully human is to be in habitual dialogue, part of a continuing dialectic with the world and the divine.
As I said before, there is much about this book I do not yet understand. Sometimes it seems like anthropological analysis, sometimes philosophy, sometimes theology, and at other times like a prayer or perhaps a poem. But I have learned that, whenever I feel baffled, I should I sit at Buber's feet and say �Thou�. Every time I do, I return to the world of things a little wiser.
Here is one of many passages of Buber which both mystify and enlighten me every time.
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I hesitate to write about this book, for, although it has influenced how I think about—and relate to--people, animals, the environment, works of art, prayer, God, you name it, there is much in it that I do not comprehend, and a few things that baffle me completely.
What I am sure about is that—before anything—this book is about the two essential ways in which we relate to the "other"--that is, whatever we perceive to exist that is apart from our self. We may either treat the other as a thing (describe it, classify it, analyze it, and manipulate it) or we may relate to it as a person (experiencing its presence, its uniqueness, its mystery, its irreducibility). These two ways are what Buber calls the two “primary words": “I-It� and “I-Thou.�
When I first read Buber as an undergraduate, I must have skimmed over most of the hard parts, for I felt strongly he was championing the “I-Thou� over the “I-It.� And this made sense, for it was part of the way we young people thought about life in the late '60's: reverence the earth, listen to the environment, treat animals as you would people, and experience the divine without presuming to conceptualize it. “I-It� was the world of businessmen, technocrats, and bishops; “I-Thou� was the world of artists, poets, and mystics. And I knew which side I was on.
Now I see Buber message as more nuanced, more profound. He is not presenting a dichotomy, or proposing a hierarchy of relations; he is describing the working out of a process, the nature of a dialogue. It is impossible for anyone to speak only one of the two primary words all the time. The mystic, for example, when he speaks the word “I-Thou� encounters God, but when later he describes the nature of this encounter to others, he must speak the word “I-It� if he is to be at all understood. “I-It� theological conceptions are barren without the “I-Thou� experience, but without the “I-It� analysis the mystical “I-Thou� is mere mute sensation, and degenerates quickly into solipsism. To be fully human is to be in habitual dialogue, part of a continuing dialectic with the world and the divine.
As I said before, there is much about this book I do not yet understand. Sometimes it seems like anthropological analysis, sometimes philosophy, sometimes theology, and at other times like a prayer or perhaps a poem. But I have learned that, whenever I feel baffled, I should I sit at Buber's feet and say �Thou�. Every time I do, I return to the world of things a little wiser.
Here is one of many passages of Buber which both mystify and enlighten me every time.
Man can do justice to the relation of God in which he has come to share only if he realizes God anew in the world according to his strength and to the measure of each day. In this lies the only assurance of continuity. The authentic assurance of duration consists in the fact that pure relation can be fulfilled in the growth and rise of beings into Thou, that the holy primary word makes itself heard in them all. Thus the time of human life is shaped into a fullness of reality, and even though human life neither can nor ought to overcome the connection with It, it is so penetrated with relation that relation wins in it a shining stream of constancy: the moments of supreme meeting are then not flashes in darkness but like the rising moon in a clear starlit night..
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From the passage you quoted it really seems that Buber's style is difficult to understand. I remember reading a book about existentialism [by John MacQuarrie] and even there the part dealing with Buber's philosophy was also a bit difficult.
The difference between the I-It and I-Thou relationships, reminds me of the two styles of life which Eric Fromm talked about: To Have or To Be. In "Having" you convert everything into an object, even ideas or morals or works of art, and one can only have or acquire or hoard objects, you even kill an object in order to enjoy it; while in "Being" there is a humane and spiritual contact : you let things unfold, you relate to their true qualities, you enjoy the other and let the other enjoy you, and you both grow into better persons.

You present a cogent, atheist viewpoint of Buber. But tell me: doesn't an atheist sometimes say "thou" to a sunset, a symphony,. a poem, or a tree? This doesn't imply the necessity of going further, but i think it might help an atheist appreciate Buber more.

From the passage you quoted it really seems that Buber's style is difficult to understand.."
Not easy, but I picked a particularly difficult passages since I was looking for one that both baffled me and inspired me. There's a lot of stuff like this, but I wouldn't call it representative.

Hi Bill, thanks for the link. I read this book and enjoyed it, but have not yet gotten to a review. But, my thought, when reading your review is that even Walter Kaufmann thought the book difficult to understand! His intro.is kind of humorous with that revelation. And Buber even said he himself couldn't rewrite it or elucidate it, it was sort of a one shot deal. But, a great book nevertheless, and I agree with your review.

I must say though that the passage you quoted was a little frustrating. At the risk of sounding really arrogant, to me, it almost seemed as if Buber was unnecessarily impenetrable. It took a number of careful readings for me to even grasp the surface of his thoughts and while the concept of "the only assurance of continuity" is not a simple one, I wonder if it still could have been expressed more simply.
Thanks for this fantastic review and leaving me with the image of that rising moon--something so beautiful, and yet so tricky to obtain.

Buber is difficult, but I chose this particular passage to show how Buber both baffles and enlightens me at times. I choose a particular passage never the end of the book, and therefore I fear I unfairly represented him.
What follows are three representative and illuminating passages:
"It is said that man experiences his world. What does that mean?
Man travels over the surface of things and experiences them. He extracts knowledge about their constitution from them: he wins an experience from them. He experiences what belongs to the things.
But the world is not presented to man by experiences alone. These present him only with a world composed of It and He and She and It again. . . .
As experience, the world belongs to the primary word I-It.
The primary word I-Thou establishes the world of relation."
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"If I face a human being as my Thou, and say the primary word I-Thou to him, he is not a thing among things, and does not consist of things.
This human being is not He or She, bounded from every other He and She, a specific point in space and time within the net of the world; nor is he a nature able to be experienced and described, a loose bundle of named qualities. But with no neighbor, and whole in himself, he is Thou and fills the heavens. This does not mean that nothing exists except himself. But all else lives in his light. . . ."
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"I become through my relation to the Thou; as I become I, I say Thou.
All real living is meeting."




Ha! And you are kind with I - it. Could be I - _ _ it. Curious how as many books as a spiritual teacher writes, ultimately, many people's overarching judgement is how they conduct themselves in the world.


It is challenging, but rewarding.


Don't know. I always like to return to the source. There are books out there, though, that collect excerpts of Buber under specific topics, broken down into small digestible sections. You might try one of those.


Thanks for your concern, Ron. I consider it the best that can be said. I wrote it. Maybe you're not used to author's treating themselves with irony? Though I am not ironic at the close--Great teachers do get killed. And no government admires a great teacher, who is like a second government--maybe Solzhenitsyn said that. Oh, and the "harmless drudge" I stole from Samuel Johnson the critic and writer of the first English dictionary (you seem to like accounts of the OED?)--on himself. High praise, for me.


Thanks for the close analysis. I agree with you that the nature of time--reifying, uniting, fructifying--is essential here.



