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The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson
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it was ok
bookshelves: sci-fi, steampunk, meh

You know what this book most reminded me of? That mildly drunk guy at a party who seems kind of interesting and charismatic, even though he can't keep his chain of thought straight, but who turns out to be a total asshole after he realizes he's not getting laid.

Initially, I wasn't tempted by "The Diamond Age," but the subtitle drew me in. A book advising young women? Interesting. However, given a choice between this book and the classic young women's story, Little Women, I think I'll go with Little Women. At least (trigger warning) (view spoiler)

The Diamond Age, Or a Young Lady's Illustrated Primer was an interesting, convoluted, frustrating book packed with ideas, characters and too little plot. I suspect Stephenson of being in love with his ideas and would suggest a firmer hand on the editorial wheel. Far too many details on nanobots, too few details on characters. Hard to put down when I was reading, and equally hard to pick up later. It was eligible for a re-read--or at least a re-listen, as I'm told the narrated version is quite enjoyable--until the (trigger and spoiler)(view spoiler) and the narrative mish-mash at the end.

The story revolves around Nell, a young girl living with an older brother, her mother and her mother's series of boyfriends, and John Percival Hackworth, creator of The Young Lady's Illustrated Primer. There's a story-within-a-story plot of Nell reading the interactive Primer and experiencing the fairy-tale like story within. An abundance of other characters are involved, including a minor thug who briefly dates Nell's mom; her brother Harv; Hackworth's patron, Lord Finkle-McGraw; Miranda, the actress who reads the Primer; Constable Moore, war veteran and her guardian of sorts; Dr. X, a mysterious character who wants the Primer for unknown reasons; Miranda's boss, Carl Hollywood; Hackworth's daughter and a few others. It's also worth noting that despite being A Young Lady's Primer, it almost completely fails the Bechdel test. Because, you know: it is not just about the Young Lady; it is also about the creator of the book and Stephenson's technology.

When it comes to characters, Stephenson quickly creates a feeling of depth in some. One of my favorites was Judge Fang, with his New York accent, his adherence to Confucius principles, and his willingness to follow the path of ethics over the path of law. It reminded me very strongly of Master Li in Bridge of Birds. Sadly, we lose track of the Judge. Likewise, while the Miranda story was engaging and we get a glimpse of her emotions at a particular time of life, she disappears for the last third of the book. While both characters tied in quite nicely with the story of the Primer and Nell, the story of other parts of the Primer took precedence.

Spoilers below, naturally, because how else can I talk about this mess?

Narrative. Sigh, what can I say? The story-within-story technique is interesting and often enjoyable for me. In this case, it gives insight into just how special this book is and how it interacts with the child and the environment to shape response. However, as Nell ages, it could have done a better job with parallels to her real life, particularly in the last half when it was teaching her about the '12 keys,' which I think meant learning coding techniques. I found myself raising an eyebrow once or twice. Would a Victorian primer really have encouraged a child to stab someone? Sure, it may have been a sign of the book not quite working--or it may have been a sign of Stephenson taking the story where he needed it to go. I'm betting the latter.

It was a relatively coherent story up until about page 250 when the plot loses any sense of caring about characterization and moves characters around to get to where Stephenson needs them to make his ultimate thematic point. Hackforth ends up in a Drummer society, where much like entering Fairyland, he has aged ten years when he emerges around page 293... and then things really turn bizarre and dreamlike. Miranda decides to look for Nell and disappears from the narrative after accepting an engagement with two shady characters. Hackforth's daughter appears for a bizarre live-action ractive performed on a ship. Nell suddenly decides to leave the Victorian society and set off for China, although we aren't sure why, and ends up in a sado-maochism brothel. It was a mess and only sheer stubbornness kept me reading. When Nell is captured and raped by the Fists of Righteous Harmony it catapulted me out of bored confusion into rage. What. The. Hell. Unacceptable, but thanks, Stephenson, for making sure the A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer reinforces women as rape targets, because we wouldn't want to think we've moved beyond it as a plot device. Oh--and then he provided a capstone with a potential rape, saved for the last two pages.

I have an entire ranty post on my blog about the use of rape in stories and believe the trope was completely unnecessary here. To then call this book "A Young Lady's Primer" is insulting and makes any empowerment themes hollow. You know what else I realized? Nell has very few interactions with women in this book. With the exception of Nell, women are pawns or dependents. Except for the Vicky classroom, there no scenes of females interacting with females. Because apparently the message of "A Young Lady's Primer" is it's a man's world and women get to live in it.

Three and a half stars for the first 250 pages, two stars for the rest and negative forty stars for the end. Stick with Little Women.
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Reading Progress

March 25, 2016 – Started Reading
March 25, 2016 – Shelved
March 27, 2016 –
page 56
11.22% ""we ignore the blackness of outer and pay attention to the stars, especially if they seem to order themselves into constellations. 'Common as the air' meant something worthless, but Hackforth knew that every breath of air that Fiona drew, lying in her little bed at night, just a silver glow in the moonlight, was used by her body to make a skin and hair and bones."
March 27, 2016 –
page 88
17.64% "where Steph fails: "mounted in the nose was a device that spat out tiny darts drawn from an interior magazine. At first these were almost invisibly tiny, but as the view continued to zoom, the whole of the tagging aerostat grew until it resembled the gentle curve of a planet's horizon and thereby darts became more visible. They were hexagonal in cross section, like pencil stubs." Is this needed? No."
March 27, 2016 –
page 115
23.05% "The Doctor apologized for having to take his leave, and the two men then got into a very genteel argument over which one of them was being more inexcusably rude, and then over which would proceed the other across the bridge."
March 27, 2016 –
page 117
23.45% ""It was not important," Hackeorth said, trying to derail Chang's relentless train of thought, sensing that he and his family were tied to the tracks."
March 27, 2016 –
page 118
23.65% ""ah, that explains it," said Mr. Chang, growing more satisfied by the minute. If Hackworth provided him any more reassurance on the matter of the book, he would no doubt curl up on the sofa and fell asleep."
April 17, 2016 –
page 338
67.74% "Near the end of the book and now Nell is off to China for 'adventures.' There is no sense of pace in this book."
April 23, 2016 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Arie (new)

Arie Oh no... The flaws in this sound unforgivable!


Monica I read this many moons ago and loved it. Based on your review, I've forgotten most of it. Post traumatic stress perhaps?


Naomi Great review! I never really got past the first half of the book - too confusing after the underwater cave orgy- so I just rated it up to there.


Sarah I read this years ago. Maybe in middle school? Whoever gave me this book then really shouldn't have.


message 5: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Uh oh, you said the R word. I'm supposed to read this one and I have no tolerance for rape scenes. Thanks for mentioning that.


carol. Arielle--I kind of think so. On the surface, it's sparkly. But it's a blood diamond.
Monica--I suspect most people rate it based on the first half or so of the book which is unquestionably interesting. As Naomi says, after the underwater orgy, it changes.
Coolcurry--so it was with me and Thomas Covenant. Can't believe this won a Hugo.
Sarah Anne--it's small, it's glossed over--I'm not sure he even uses the word during the actual scene, but as part of A Young Lady's Primer, it is inexcusable.


Naomi Stephenson's books tend to go off the rails at the end. I tend to expect it now and assume all ratings refer to the "before" part. I only read 80% of Seveneves and don't plan to read the rest, but i rated it around 60%.


²Ñ²¹Å¡²¹ I'm deleting this. I adored Snow Crash at 16 so I tend to regard Stephenson as "ohmzhod" until about 100 page mark, when I give up. So thanks for the hands up - nostalgia is, apparently, the way to go. Sigh


message 9: by Beth (last edited Apr 23, 2016 06:22PM) (new)

Beth I got about halfway through this one, I think. The book and the nanobots were so cool! But if it's got so many of the standard unconsidered sexist chestnuts I don't see much reason to go back to it.

My partner tells me he tried to read it and flagged out when the Drummers showed up.


carol. Naomi wrote: "Stephenson's books tend to go off the rails at the end. I tend to expect it now and assume all ratings refer to the "before" part. I only read 80% of Seveneves and don't plan to read the rest, but ..."

Someone else mentioned the audio was a great reader as well, so I can see why you enjoy it until then, especially if the reader captures the internal story as well. I remember Snow Crash going a little wild at the end as well. He needs some help!


carol. ²Ñ²¹Å¡²¹ wrote: "I'm deleting this. I adored Snow Crash at 16 so I tend to regard Stephenson as "ohmzhod" until about 100 page mark, when I give up. So thanks for the hands up - nostalgia is, apparently, the way to..."

If you can at all tolerate reading until page 250 or so, it's got some fun characterization and the nanobot concepts are extremely interesting. But then walk away.


carol. Beth wrote: "I got about halfway through this one, I think. The book and the nanobots were so cool! But if it's got so many of the standard unconsidered sexist chestnuts I don't see much reason to go back to it..."

There was an interesting angle when it seems that Dr. X might be doing this out of unselfish motivation for caring for unwanted female babies, and I thought it was going to be more interesting (although again, all the men as actors and operators of the world) but it disappointed but largely dropping it (until they become Nell's Mouse Army). There's so much I wanted to like--if someone would have edited this it might have been better.


Eliene I agree with most of you that it was downhill after the Drummer orgy. I also thought it would be more female-focused. I honestly love a lot of Neal Stephenson's ideas from this and Snow Crash but their tendency to unravel by the end makes me reluctant to pick up more of his books.


carol. I couldn't help thinking that with something his analogies and concepts could come through better. I think I understood where he was going with the interactive technology, and then the 'wet Net" of the Drummers, but I felt like I didn't *quite* get it the way he wanted me too, where as Ursula LeGuin could lead me to some more amazing places.


Naomi Someone said something, maybe about Seveneves, that he seems to get all these ideas about the technology, and then completely fails when it comes to researching the sociology. I mean, he has yet to write a woman I've found complete and believable.


carol. I rather liked young Nell, although she magically becomes the Epic Hero and loses a lot of her individualism. I felt like Stephenson was very insightful with virtual worlds with Snow Crash, so can believe he's got his finger on a technological pulse.


Eliene Absolutely, his technological ideas are amazing! The idea of the Primer itself as an education tool that adapts to its surroundings was really interesting (if I'm remembering it correctly). I also like that in his books, as far as technology has come, it hasn't solved all the problems we expect it to.


Stuart Everyone here is right about this book just falling apart after the Drummer's Orgy - it had been quite interesting until then. More recently, I thought the first 2/3rds of Seveneves was dreadfully-boring techno-geek info-dumps with cardboard characters, so I'm surprised I finished at all. Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon remain his only successful books in my opinion. Also gave up on Anathem.


message 19: by Mimi (new) - added it

Mimi Excellent review, Carol, as always, and thanks for saving me from another one. This is going on the back burner quite possibly forever. I liked Snow Crash when I read it, but not enough to wade through another of Stephenson's "adventures," especially not another one that unravels at the end.


carol. Stuart--sometimes I wonder what I'm missing, since he gets such acclaim. It's nice to have confirmation that your experience with Seveneves--again, another book that had a lot of buzz. I did like Snow Crash as well. I think I'll wait quite a bit before trying another one.

Mimi--thank you. Anything I can do to help you whittle down the TBR is great, since I occasionally try to get you to add to it :)


Apatt Carol. wrote: "Stuart--sometimes I wonder what I'm missing, since he gets such acclaim. It's nice to have confirmation that your experience with Seveneves--again, another book that had a lot of buzz. I did like S..."

Great review, Carol. I remember liking the one scene where a character is doing kung-fu, opening up like a flower or something, and a nanotech horse that you can fold up. The rest of it I have already forgotten (including the rape).
His Cryptonomicon is another surprisingly well-regarded book, I was so bored by that. I agree with you Snow Crash is fun, I'd also add Anathem as one of his really good ones.

Nowadays I leave Stephenson to his fans :)


carol. Agree, the horse that unfolded ("Kidnapper") was interesting!


message 23: by Athena (new)

Athena Carol. wrote: "On the surface, it's sparkly. But it's a blood diamond."

Another fine review, and your quote above is flat freakin' brilliant! Thanks for the head's up: modern writing that fails the Bechdel test and include meaningless rape scenes are well worth the total -38.5 stars.


carol. Athena, thank you. And thank you for doing the math. Negative 38.5 stars it is.


Amy (Other Amy) Oy. Didn't realize there was rape in this one. Thanks for the warning. I think I have other stuff to read...


message 26: by carol. (last edited May 04, 2016 08:30PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

carol. For further clarification, Amy (Other Amy) (view spoiler) but ultimately, extremely disappointing that it was included at all. In a Young Lady's Primer, no less.


message 27: by Neon (new) - rated it 2 stars

Neon Snake Completely unnecessary, totally casual and not dealt with, and served no purpose, other than to reinforce the point that natives=bad. Not good.


carol. Neon--I agree. Another friend pointed out the veiled imperialism of the Chinese being 'bad.' I don't know that I'm absolutely convinced, as he was setting up Dr. X and Judge Fang as motivated to save all the abandoned female girls, but Stephenson ended up losing track of that plot. I did too, and when it turned out Nell was their Queen, well, that was just bizarre and did make it seem like the White Savior syndrome.


Rebecca i felt much the same way. this book is deeply misogynistic at its heart. girls who are friends but apparently never have a meaningful conversation about the unbelievably precious gift they all received? an underground society that has constant non-consensual sex yet somehow does not have any STD issues or pregnancy issues or medical personnel? computation that requires the complete destruction of a woman through burning and immolation? WHAT THE FUCK.


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