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Snow by Orhan Pamuk
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did not like it

After finishing this book I felt virtuous, relieved. Then baffled, irritated, and finally dismissive. Other Good Reads reviewers express the desire to like this book, but proceed to be confused, bored, and insecure. Most wrap up with the dismal feeling that they didn鈥檛 GET it, and so didn鈥檛 succeed in really liking it. I felt the same, but in addition was supremely annoyed and turned off by it. I鈥檓 not so good at post-modern fiction to begin with, but I decided to leave my bias at the door because I had heard such great things about this author, and Pamuk didn鈥檛 seem like a bogus poser from what I鈥檇 read.
The story is about an expatriate Turkish poet named Ka who leads a solitary and arid life in Frankfurt and travels to a remote village in his homeland, ostensibly to investigate a spate of suicides by religious Muslim women protesting the injunction to remove their head scarves at school. He is really there to kindle a romance with a recently divorced woman he knew at university. The novel unfolds over three days when the snow has cut off the town from the outside world. What transpires is a coup led by a dysfunctional theater troupe, a lot of political intrigue, and much ball batting between secular and religious townspeople. Pamuk gives equal billing to every opinion, although they do not differ much in terms of their reductive, inflamed and binary natures, or in ability to capture my interest or sustained attention. This is in large part because the protagonist Ka is stunted,childish and infuriating himself, and the writing is both busy and detached. The political intrigue and opinions in Snow are not interesting or illuminating, as they do not emanate from fleshed-out people, but cardboard cut-outs spouting giant, densely packed and tedious word bubbles.
Inspiration strikes Ka while in Kars, and he stops to transcribe a series of nineteen poems, whenever they descend on him in perfectly realized form. Conveniently they get lost, but a conversation about them between Ka and his paramour goes like this:
鈥淚s it beautiful?鈥� he asked her a few moments later.
鈥淵es, it鈥檚 beautiful!鈥� said Ipek.
Ka read a few more lines aloud and then asked her again, 鈥淚s it beautiful?鈥�
鈥淚t鈥檚 beautiful,鈥� Ipek replied.
When he finished reading the poem, he asked, 鈥淪o what was it that made it beautiful?鈥�
鈥淚 don鈥檛 know,鈥� Ipek replied, 鈥渂ut I did find it beautiful.鈥�
鈥淒id Muhtar [her ex] ever read you a poem like this?鈥�
鈥淣ever,鈥� she said.
Ka began to read the poem aloud again, this time with growing force, but he still stopped at all the same places to ask, 鈥淚s it beautiful?鈥� He also stopped at a few new places to say, 鈥淚t really is very beautiful, isn鈥檛 it?鈥�
鈥淵es, it鈥檚 very beautiful!鈥� Ipek replied.
To my mind, only a child under ten should ever be indulged in this sort of megalomania, and then only by his mother, but Ka is nowhere punished, ridiculed or even chided for his insufferable personality, and in fact I think we are supposed to admire him as embodying the innocence, purity, pathos and single-mindedness that come with being a true artist.
Margaret Atwood says, in the New York Times Book Review 鈥淣ot only an engrossing feat of tale-spinning, but essential reading for our times. [Pamuk is] narrating his country into being.鈥� This seems to me the best case for why Snow won the Nobel Prize. The book makes Turkey legible, as well as digestible, to the West. The novel is chock a block with allusions to white western male institutions 鈥� Kafka, Coleridge, Mann, Nabokov (he wrote a lot of stuff in the west, anyway): an annoying and intrusive narrator, a novelist named Orhan, whose games of peek-a-boo get harder and harder to humor, an abysmal, abyssal usage of literary envelopes, a morose and misunderstood genius of a hero who falls desparately in love with a woman he obstinately refuses to lend more than one dimension 鈥� the sex scenes, incidentally, are some of the most unintentionally off-putting I have ever read, and recall the experience almost every woman has been unfortunate to undergo at least once, where she feels she might leave the room, go get some cheesecake and stand in the door frame watching her partner rythmically brutalizing a stack of pillows in laughable ignorance of her whereabouts or even existence. Afterwards our hero has the witlessness to add to the injury by calling this essentially masturbatory act 鈥渓ove-making鈥�. In fact, this pretty much sums up my response to the whole book.




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message 1: by Carey (new)

Carey IS it good? I like Orphan Pamuk. review please!


Hallie I am not ready to review this book yet. So far the narrator gives me the willies, and I don't like Pamuk's writing style, it seems very busy. I will give a full report as soon as I have finished, which I will, because I have realized through Good Reads how many books I never finish and am determined to put a stop to this bad habit.


message 3: by Mom (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mom I just read Snow and your review was right on. So reassuring to know that someone else found these characters annoying and tedious, not to mention the self important political palavering. The whole thing would have been improved if the author had all these insufferable people shot in the theater during the coup.


message 4: by Mir (new)

Mir Your comparison of a certain type of "literary" writing to sex with someone for whom you might as well be a blow-up doll is both hilarious and stingingly accurate! I have frequently had the feeling with certain authors that the reader exists only to justify an otherwise masturbatory exercise (and lie afterward about enjoying it).

[Disclaimer before I start getting flamed: I haven't read Snow and am making a non-specific observation here!]


Karyn Love Mom's suggestion about having all the insufferable characters shot in the theatre during the coup. Would have improved the book immensely.


message 6: by Roanne (new) - added it

Roanne You said it all so much better than I ever could. Thank you.


message 7: by Chad (new)

Chad in the ATL LOL, loved the review!


message 8: by LS (new)

LS Just signed onto Good Reads after a friend sent me this review ... Also just signed on to follow Hallie's reviews.


Kirk I got halfway through this and gave up. Writing good, plot bad.


message 10: by Rick (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rick Hoobler I'm not sure there is a plot. I kinda think that was partly the point. The green book was never found. Kars is basically unchanged. Ipek is still beguiling but cannot be had. I think we're supposed to feel badly and lost....in which case the book succeeds.


Deborah I am almost finished with this book and find this review far better than the book... which is tedious, redundant, and actually somewhat painful to read!


message 12: by Judy (new)

Judy Alexander A fabulously erudite review! Maybe Hallie should win the Nobel Prize.


message 13: by Quiltgranny (new)

Quiltgranny Thank you for your honest review. The examples you used really helped me to decide that this is one of those books that doesn't need to go on my list.


Eszter Faatima Sabiq hahahha the cheescake bit omg you nailed it, thank you loads, your review is way better than the book


Gavin Ho Didn't like it. Found it too dragging and couldn't wait to just finish it so that I can read something else. I found the main character too whiny. Give me "My name is Red" anytime.


message 16: by Warwick (new)

Warwick What a glorious demolition!


Roseanne Hammond You but into word exactly what I though of this book!


Roseanne Hammond You but into word exactly what I though of this book!


Jordan Brensinger Wow! Your review symbolizes for me the extreme case of how vastly different interpretations can emerge from readings of the same book. Whereas you consider the book to be little more than "masturbation" masquerading as "love-making," I saw it as an illustration of (at least) two things: 1) the almost amusingly circular arguments happening in Turkish politics (and true elsewhere, I might add) that never come to resolution except in the drama of dark comedies, and 2) the propensity of others to think they understand those positions, thereby justifying moral superiority and paternalism. Thanks for pushing me to think about it in a different way, though!


message 20: by [deleted user] (new)

It is a farce with expedient and frankly rather despicable characters. Pamuk displays extremes as cartoons. If you take Ka's religious conversion seriously as you see how his failing morality cedes to self serving actions (his motivation is bringing Ipek back as prize), then you will be confused.


Mihai You nailed it with this review - pun intended. Very disappointed with the book.


message 22: by Myriam (new) - added it

Myriam I still have to read this book (a present from a friend and as HE is always reading the book I give him with enthusiasm, I need to return the favor. I want to read it and love it but I must say I really enjoyed reading your review. Not long time ago I finished "I'm Pilgrim" and I'm afraid I won't be very patient if the hero once again indulge in some behavior that is supposed to be endearing but is just childish complacency from the author's part and not believable if these "interactions" were happening in real life. I will still give it a try. But thanks, still. your review was very funny


message 23: by [deleted user] (new)

Don't.


Leandy Thanks for your accurate review! I feel much better about hating this book. Two stars instead of one because clearly Pamuk can write, but jeez I hate his one-dimensional characters.


message 25: by Olga (new) - added it

Olga Tsygankova Well, if you put it this way, ANY novel is a masturbation, as it is a solitary practice intended to be enjoyable. And your criticism of the protagonist image is that the author does not openly judge or punish his childishness? Why would he do that? To condemn such personality trait? This is not social realism.


message 26: by Eedo (new)

Eedo I'm half-way through this book and really struggling with it. This review has just reassured that's ok to stop reading now. Thank you.


message 27: by [deleted user] (new)

The more time that passes since I read the book, the more I resent myself for finishing it.


message 28: by Nancy (new)

Nancy I hate not finishing a book. Just thought I'd take a quick peek here to see if I should hold on bit longer. But no. I'm out a here.


message 29: by [deleted user] (new)

There鈥檚 an 鈥渋t鈥� to get? You csn project a world of femonist angst snd trauma on this pretentious waste of perfectly good words, but there鈥檚 still a buck nekid emerot strutting among the chaos.


Tracey Best review ever.


Laurel Thank you for taking the time to a) finish this book and b) write such a spot on review. I could do neither and I don鈥檛 feel any less humanitarian or intelligent for not finding an iota of interest in this book.


message 32: by Jennifer AM (new)

Jennifer AM I鈥檓 15% in and already at IDGAF about finishing this book. Thanks to your review I鈥檓 bailing now and saving hours of my life.


message 33: by [deleted user] (new)

I have heard tell that Pamuk is a good writer. That is a pity, because I never want to have anything he wrote in my hand again. I feel so affirmed now. I am not a Philistine. It麓s just a crappy book. Thank you.


Nesrine El Sharkawi Your review is very good. I wished I have read it, before I wrote mine. Your review speaks my opinion better, then mine did. Thank you


message 35: by Dawn (new) - added it

Dawn Ryan Did not finish. Read it as part of a book challenge and was kind of ashamed to comment my opinion. I probably still won't. But your review says everything I thought and more - which is also spot on!

When I got to chapter 14 and saw I was still only 22% done, that was the end of that.


message 36: by Dan (last edited Apr 02, 2021 11:55AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Dan Our hero is weak, westernized, overcome by his self-consciousness. He has everything, yet he still can鈥檛 seduce the beautiful woman, can鈥檛 even really see her because he鈥檚 so befogged with his own doubts and questions. And she wants to be seduced by him.

The real hero of the book is the brilliant flame of a man in a hut, studying the Koran and plotting violence. Though, of course, the sophisticated reader can鈥檛 possibly identify with him.

This is one of those rare books that I read fifteen years ago, loved then, and think about frequently even today. The struggle of America in the last 10 years is not so different, not at all. And in many ways, the end of our story seems to be heading in the same direction. Perhaps we can change it, yet.


message 37: by Lily (new) - rated it 2 stars

Lily Mifsud I'm glad I stopped reading this book. I just couldn't continue it. I had difficulty understanding the plot and the characters are so detached.


message 38: by Patricia Wchman (new)

Patricia Wchman Thank you for turning my head from this particular book but not the acclaimed writer. So many books to read, so little time.


Tom the Teacher Finished this by skim-reading the end when it turned out that basically every paragraph was a repetitive, mundane analysis of each character's every move. So much left unresolved, and Pamuk skirted various potentially interesting plot lines so often that it became so, so frustrating.


Della Scott Good review. I'm about one-third through it, and have a lot of the same sentiments. I'm determined to finish it, though, since I tend to give up too easily on books, and would like to reverse that trend


Alfryd Van After reading this review, I feel much better about feeling like I didn't get the book, because at least I certainly understood it better than the author of this review. How can you write so much about this book yet not once mention politics? The book tells you it's going to be political before the story even begins. How can you possibly think the allusions to European cultural figures are for the benefit of a European audience? You can't go two pages without characters wrestling with Turkey's connection to both Europe and the Middle East. You appear to have missed every major theme the book offered, so of course you didn't enjoy it.

I beg everyone who reads this review to not write off the book. Please, at least try to get it. Don't take pride in ignorance.


message 42: by HansBlog (new)

HansBlog Well you did very convincingly put me off this one, but I may investigate others by this writer.


danny k! I think that this review is a massive oversimplification of both Ka as a character and Ka in relation to the "two sides" that compose the ideological conflict at the centerpiece of the novel. I hold firm that Ka is meant to be disliked for a number of reasons, which you have exquisitely already given us: he is childish, selfish, lustful, paranoid, and overall unpleasant to be around. He gets worse throughout the book as a matter of fact!

His relationship to the two sides grows progressively and progressively more detached as he retreats into himself and holds onto the Western ideals that keep him from truly reconnecting with his homeland. This book is not so much about Ka as it is about Ka's relationship with Turkey and the people of Kars, both the secularists and the Islamists.

Give this one a shot with the big picture in mind. Use the characters as pawns in the bigger ideological pictures. You won't be sorry.


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