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Julian by Gore Vidal
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”We are toys, and a divine child takes us up and puts us down, and breaks us when he chooses.�


Julian II

Julian was a child raised in the midst of turmoil. After the death of Constantine the Great in 337AD, there was a huge power vacuum in the Roman Empire, and Julian’s cousin Constantius II methodically eliminated all those who could potentially threaten his reign or those of his brothers. One of those executed was Julian’s father.

Julian and his brother Gallus were spared.

Their youth may have spared them, but in Julian’s later writings, he wrote that he believed that only at the urging of Empress Eusebia, by the thinnest of margins, were they saved. The very thing that nearly ended their lives, that dangle between their legs, also made them valuable to the family. Constantius II and his brothers were having difficulties spawning male children to assume the throne. If the Empire was to remain in family hands, then Gallus and Julian would be the only means with which to do so.

The boys are sequestered away under the tutelage of Bishop Eusebius in Nicomedia. It is never a bad thing to be out of sight and out of mind; after all, Constantius had already proven that he was not squeamish about getting family blood on his hands. As has been proven time and again, absolute power corrupts absolutely. ”First the tyrant plays harmless games: ...plays practical jokes; and no matter what he says and does, everyone laughs and flatters him, finds witty his most inane remarks. Then the small jokes begin to pall. One day he finds it amusing to rape another man’s wife, as the husband watches, or the husband as the wife looks on, or to torture them both, or to kill them. When the killing begins, the emperor is no longer a man but a beast, and we have had too many beasts already on the throne of the world.�

The boys live in constant, real fear that one day someone will arrive with a summons for them to see the Emperor. This directive can indicate two very different intentions. They could be receiving a promotion, or the more probable one is they are being set up to be executed. Any wild rumor can be the end of them. It would certainly give anyone a different perspective on life living under the constant threat of death. The older they become the more dangerous they become to Constantius.


Coin of Constantius Gallus, brother of Julian.

Gallus is sent for and made Caesar of the East in 351, which was a position representing a trial run to show his loyalty to Constantius and prove his ability to be the heir to the empire. Unfortunately, Julian’s brother proved unreliable. Gallus had shown signs of instability as a boy; power did not quell these tendencies, but merely enhanced their vulnerabilities. His head was separated from his body in 354.

And then there was one.

In 355, Julian is named Caesar. Being named Caesar is equivalent to being chased by angry, snarling German’s with ”Their dyed hair worn long, and hangs about the face like a lion’s mane,� down a long, dark alleyway where every door is locked, and all you can do is keep running to the end. Eventually, the worst you can imagine is probably going to happen.

Every shadow that falls across your doorway is a potential assassin. Herculean sphincter and bladder control would be imperative for anyone wanting to wear the purple.

Julian would have rather been a philosopher or even a philosopher priest if he must. Before being conscripted into the family business, he spent a short glorious time in Athens learning from the very best philosophers. Books were his solace for the rest of his life. ”As long as I could read, I was never entirely wretched.�


Coin of Constantius II.

One of the conditions that Constantius made for Julian to be named Caesar was that Julian had to marry his sister, Helena. When someone is setting you up on a date and they keep talking about your potential date’s sparkling personality, you know they are not one of the blessedly lovely people. Helena *shudder* hopefully had at least a great personality, because unfortunately *shudder* she looked TOO much like her father. ”Helena was a good woman but our moments of intimacy were rare, unsatisfactory, and somewhat pathetic, for I did want to please her. But it was never pleasant, making love to a bust of Constantine.�

Julian is remembered as the Apostate. He was such an advocate of Greek philosophy that he wanted to return the Empire to the Neoplatonic paganism. Constantine the Great, Julian’s uncle, was the first Roman Emperor to proclaim himself a Christian, but also the first to sign a decree that allowed tolerance for Christianity.

It is really remarkable how fast Christianity took over such a large part of the world. “No other religion ever considered it necessary to destroy others because they did not share their same beliefs.� I guess, if you are intent on eliminating the competition, growth happens exponentially. With convert or die being the only options, most people will waver in their firmest beliefs. Who is to say, after all, who you worship in the cathedral in your head?

Julian’s rise to power came relatively quickly after this mass conversion to Christianity, or Galileanism as Julian liked to refer to them because he didn’t feel they were very “Christian� in the way they conducted themselves. The point being, there were still a lot of people who might be professed Christians, but were actually Pagans in their hearts, so when Julian adopted Hellenism and brought back the old Gods along with the sacrificing of animals, there were numerous people who were happy that he brought back the old ways.

The Galileans were furious and began plotting his assassination. They are not alone; Julian’s enemies are as innumerable as a field of wheat.

I’ve read that part of the attraction of Christianity is the single God concept. Trying to keep a whole multitude of Gods straight and who is responsible for what was confusing and difficult. To worship one God under the Pagan system was to offend another, and sacrificing animals was frankly expensive for most people. It was a huge deal for Constantine to convert, and it was also a huge deal for Julian to bring back Hellenism. It sort of reminds me of the whiplash between Catholicism and Protestantism that happened in England in the 16th century.

Religion, unfortunately, has proven a very effective way to divide us.

Julian did not try to get rid of Christianity. He just wanted religious tolerance so that everyone could worship the way they wanted. He did remove a lot of Galileans from positions of power, which created a lot of adversity for him, but it was necessary because he needed people loyal to him. This would not be an abnormal thing, but when people feel they are being persecuted for religious reasons rather than political reasons, even though in this case the two were wrapped together, they take it much, much more personal.


Coin of Alexander the Great.

Julian was a surprisingly good military commander and soon conquered Gaul and put down several uprisings. Julian saw himself as a student of Alexander the Great and wished to experience the same level of success in war as his hero. He was in the midst of conquering Persia when he died. He was a commander who threw himself in the fray, which is honorable, but ultimately detrimental to the cause if he is taken or killed. Controversy swirls around his death, and Gore Vidal has some very distinct opinions of what he felt happened.

Vidal starts this book with a series of letters between two philosophers, Priscus and Libanius, who both knew Julian well. They are attempting to edit and prepare Julian’s journals for publication, which of course is still a hot potato in 380AD. I actually found myself chuckling several times as these philosophers betrayed their own sense of pride, petty jealousies, and false memories. Most of the story is told from “the discovered journals� of Julian. This blending of the journals with the uncertain memories of the philosophers is a remarkable achievement of historical fiction writing. Like his book Lincoln, Vidal brings the central characters to life in Julian and makes the reader feel the fear and uncertainty of Julian’s childhood. He places the reader on a camp stool in that tent in Persia as Julian gives his final commands. From beginning to end you are there.

I do wonder if Julian had lived longer if religious tolerance would have taken root and been more of a standard right of all people? Why do we care so much how someone worships or for that matter whom someone sleeps with and how can some of us believe that a man’s skin color can have anything to do with his character? It seems we always work so hard to discover how we are different instead of putting that same work into discovering what we have in common. Julian had the right ideas, but he would have had to set aside his lust for conquest and exchanged it for the much more difficult task of maintaining peace.

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Jeffrey Keeten Donald wrote: "Wonderfully written, informative, and interesting review. Thank you."

Thanks Donald! Julian is an interesting blip of history that I knew very little about. You are most welcome. I'm glad you found the review useful.


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Rakhi Dalal It seems we always work so hard to discover how we are different instead of putting that same work into discovering what we have in common.

That is so true, Jeffrey.. Thanks for this historical detour! Very well written!


Jeffrey Keeten Rakhi wrote: " It seems we always work so hard to discover how we are different instead of putting that same work into discovering what we have in common.

That is so true, Jeffrey.. Thanks for this historical d..."


Thank you Rakhi! I'm so glad you enjoyed this review. I always feel like I'm too erudite.


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Praveen Beautiful.


Jeffrey Keeten Thanks Praveen!


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Vessey I love this review and I love you. :)


Jeffrey, after the unfortunate and miserable experience I had with The City and the Pillar, I had decided that Gore Vidal wasn’t for me, but with your fabulous review you are making me wonder. :) I especially loved the conclusion.


As has been proven time and again, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

OMG, yes! This is exactly what S. K. Penman portrays very well in Time and Chance in the part regarding Henry II and Tomas Becket. I remember that in Dragonfly Falling it is said that an intelligent and unconfident ruler is the most dangerous type, the one that turns into a tyrant.


Religion, unfortunately, has proven a very effective way to divide us.

You know, there is this quote from Harold Klemp I showed Willie recently and Sid sometime ago.


“My definition of a true religion is one that does good in the world. It tries to find ways to help people be themselves. It does not try to shape people to be what we think they should be, then break spiritual or man-made laws to accomplish that. The sign of a good religion is that it helps the people grow to become more godlike, to be capable of more love and mercy---for themselves as well as for others.�

You’re awesome! :)


Michael Excellent review and great points that Vessey highlights. Having recently read a biography of Vidal, I learned how the project began after he moved to Rome to get away from the oppressiveness in the U.S. I guess the swinging Romans he liked to pick up on the street helped open his mind to the old days when anything goes and you could have lots of gods to choose from to stimulate your imagination. It seems ironic that Vidal was concerned about U.S. imperialism but about this time he got enamored with the Camelot of the Kennedys. I look forward to following your footsteps with this book, which many argue is his best. It certainly brought new respect to the genre of historical fiction, using the approach as a way to mirror contemporary issues even more than Graves did in the 20s with "I, Claudius".


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Jeffrey Keeten Vessey wrote: "I love this review and I love you. :)


Jeffrey, after the unfortunate and miserable experience I had with The City and the Pillar, I had decided that Gore Vidal wasn’t for me, but with your fabulo..."


Thanks you so much Vessey! I have not read The City and the Pillar, but I know it was an important book when it came out. Frankly I'm not even sure how it was published in the 1940s. It was one of the first books to present a homosexual lifestyle in a positive light. I remember a prof from college bringing it up in a class. It was updated in 1965, do you know if you read the update or the original? Just curious. I'm also curious how you picked that Vidal to read, was it recommended?

Miserable...ouch!

When Vidal started writing historical novels he became more mainstream and more successful. If you've ever seen him interviewed he is bright and acerbic. I'm not sure how well read he is now. I don't see his books come up in the GR thread too often. I plan to read most of his books.

Thanks again Vessey! I'm so glad you liked this one. I really tried to keep this one shorter, but the spice words must flow


Jeffrey Keeten Michael wrote: "Excellent review and great points that Vessey highlights. Having recently read a biography of Vidal, I learned how the project began after he moved to Rome to get away from the oppressiveness in th..."

I've been wanting to reread I, Claudius/Claudius the God, but I think I should read Count Belisarius before returning to Claudius. I've never read Count B so that will be unexplored territory for me.

I've heard some stories about Vidal in Italy. He really turned loose his bohemian sexual beast didn't he?

There were so many angles that I could have taken with this book. It is rich in review possibilities. To cover everything would require a full dissertation, but the great thing is whenever someone reviews it there will be a fresh take on the book. This was a review that I really had to restrain myself though some would argue I didn't restrain myself at all. :-)

Thanks Michael! It is always good to hear from you.


Jeffrey Keeten Ian McLean wrote: "awesome"

Thanks Ian!


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Vessey Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "I love this review and I love you. :)


Jeffrey, after the unfortunate and miserable experience I had with The City and the Pillar, I had decided that Gore Vidal wasn’t for me, but w..."



"It was one of the first books to present a homosexual lifestyle in a positive light."

Nope. I'm sorry, but I don't think so. That was exactly my problem. It wasn't presented in a positive light at all. Look, not that I'm one of those readers who necessarily have to like the protagonist and what's happening in the story, but there....Well, I just couldn't handle it. It was like it was horrible for the sake of being horrible, without something making up for it or serving a particular purpose. It wasn't a recommendation. I took it from the library. Just like that, randomly. I think I hadn't even heard of GV. :) Btw, I think that Virginia Woolf was the one who presented homosexuality as something acceptable for the first time. Or one of the first. What does exponentially mean?


Jeffrey Keeten Vessey wrote: "Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "I love this review and I love you. :)


Jeffrey, after the unfortunate and miserable experience I had with The City and the Pillar, I had decided that Gore Vidal wasn..."


By positive light I meant that the gay protagonist did not pay at the end of the novel for his "sins" as was how gays were traditionally portrayed in American literature previously. I haven't read the book I'm just remembering stuff the professor said from, you know, the Dark Ages. :-) Woolf is great isn't she?

Exponentially is a word that I use a lot for some reason. I like it. It means to increase or decrease something quickly. So by converting or killing pagans Christian numbers grew quickly.

I will probably have to read City and the Pillar, but I will definitely put it way down the list. There are too many other GVs that I want to read first. Did you read C&TP in Bulgarian or in English? I know you read voraciously and your English is excellent. Do you primarily read books in English? I should have asked you that a long time ago.


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Chris Now this is eerie. Just yesterday, I entered a bunch of Vidal books, whom I've never read, onto my library list!! Great review as usual.


Jeffrey Keeten Chris wrote: "Now this is eerie. Just yesterday, I entered a bunch of Vidal books, whom I've never read, onto my library list!! Great review as usual."

Eerie is good! I love it when that happens. Thanks Chris! I hope you get a chance to dig into some of GV's historical fiction.


Louise This is on my re-read list. Vidal is amazing in how he could interpret history thru fiction.


Louise This is on my re-read list. Vidal is amazing in how he could interpret history thru fiction.


Jeffrey Keeten Louise wrote: "This is on my re-read list. Vidal is amazing in how he could interpret history thru fiction."

Yes, for sure there is a lot of interpretation, but so brilliantly so. This is a book worthy of a reread.


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Lisa Lieberman I've admired the public intellectual Vidal, particularly when he took on William F. Buckley, but I confess that I've never read his historical fiction. Myra Breckenridge was pretty wonderful, and I once came across a rather strange, apocalyptic work of his, Kalki, that I couldn't put down.

Thanks for introducing me to Julian.


Jeffrey Keeten Lisa wrote: "I've admired the public intellectual Vidal, particularly when he took on William F. Buckley, but I confess that I've never read his historical fiction. Myra Breckenridge was pretty wonderful, and I..."

He and Buckley had some terrific exchanges. His historical fiction is rich and wonderful. I hope you have a chance to meet Julian. Always a pleasure to hear from you Lisa.


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Vessey Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "I love this review and I love you. :)


Jeffrey, after the unfortunate and miserable experience I had with The City and the Pillar, I had decided that ..."



By positive light I meant that the gay protagonist did not pay at the end of the novel for his "sins" as was how gays were traditionally portrayed in American literature previously.


Really? Even during the 20th century? How ridiculous and stupid! How I love those righteous preachers to whom everything is a sin. If I meet such person, I shall tell them that I’m a lesbian just to annoy them. :)


Woolf is great isn't she?

She is! OMG. Btw, I realized that Oscar Wilde might have been the first one to present homosexuality in a better light. Remember Basil Hallward from The Picture of Dorian Gray? He wasn’t overtly shown as such, but the hint was there. Of course, Basil got the short end of the stick, he led miserable life pining after Dorian and in the end died a tragic, violent death, but I don’t think that OW’s idea was that it was retribution for his ”s�. Especially considering the orientation of Wilde himself. It had more to do with Dorian himself. It was aiming to show to what extent he was corrupted.


Did you read C&TP in Bulgarian or in English? I know you read voraciously and your English is excellent. Do you primarily read books in English?

Ah, thanks! :) I read it in Bulgarian, but I prefer and mainly read books in English. It helps me to improve it and makes writing of a review for GR and sharing excerpts easier. And it’s always good to have the original, anyway. This is in the cases where the author’s first language is English.


Thanks for clarifying about exponentially. Would you be so kind to do the same about mainstream? See? Not that excellent. :)


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Jeffrey Keeten Ian McLean wrote: ""

That is a very deep statement Ian! :-)


Jeffrey Keeten Vessey wrote: "Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "I love this review and I love you. :)


Jeffrey, after the unfortunate and miserable experience I had with The City and the Pillar, I h..."


Mainstream is what normal society finds acceptable or enjoyable.

Interesting that Basil does die though isn't it? Maybe the publisher told Wilde the gay dude has to die. :-)

Thanks for the great answers to my questions.


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"Maybe the publisher told Wilde the gay dude has to die."

Ah, darn it! Then my plan to turn into a lesbian goes to hell. It seems I need to go mainstream as well. :) Thanks for explaining!

"Thanks for the great answers to my questions."

Ha-ha. Jeffrey, this sounds like I am some celebrity you have just finished interviewing. I thought that with you being one of the top GR reviewers and me...well, not being one, it should be the opposite. :)


Jeffrey Keeten Vessey wrote: "Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "Jeffrey wrote: "Vessey wrote: "I love this review and I love you. :)


Jeffrey, after the unfortunate and miserable experience I had wi..."


I probably missed my calling as an interviewer of unusual, fascinating, and strange people. I could certainly run rings around Matt Lauer, whom I loath. The man of the obvious inane questions.

You know probably you need to just become bi-sexual, keep all your options open. :-) When I lived in San Francisco and worked in the book business gay was mainstream and being heterosexual was unusual.


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Carol Fascinating review, Jeffrey. I only remember reading one Vidal novel, Myra Breckenridge/Myron. Mostly, I remember his brilliant wit and his feuds with Norman Mailer and William F Buckley. :)


Jeffrey Keeten Carol wrote: "Fascinating review, Jeffrey. I only remember reading one Vidal novel, Myra Breckenridge/Myron. Mostly, I remember his brilliant wit and his feuds with Norman Mailer and William F Buck..."

Thanks Carol! Yes, Vidal had some wonderful, "playful" conversations with Buckley and Mailer. Mailer especially was so easy to bait into saying something ridiculous.


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Philippe Malzieu Genius. Julian (Julien l'apostat) is really. fascinating.


Jeffrey Keeten Philippe wrote: "Genius. Julian (Julien l'apostat) is really. fascinating."

I agree. He was a good subject matter for Gore to explore. There were enough of Julian's own writings to give him a framework to build a story with. Thanks Philippe!


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Henry Avila Great review, what a fascinating subject, about a very controversial man...


Jeffrey Keeten Henry wrote: "Great review, what a fascinating subject, about a very controversial man..."

Thanks Henry! He was so unique, similar to Hadrian in how far he was ahead of his time on social issues. He had a chance, if fate had given him more time, to be one of the great Roman leaders.


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Jeffrey Keeten A. wrote: "Wanted to read this for some time..."

I hope you do get a chance to read it! I too had planned to read this for a long time.


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Choko Another absolutely amazing review!!!


Jeffrey Keeten Tim wrote: "one of my all time favorite books... one of the rare books i've read more than once, something like 4 or 5 times..."

Let me know what you think about the Ibsen Tim. Sounds very interesting. I can definitely see why you've read this so many times. It is well worth rereading. Thanks Tim!


Jeffrey Keeten Choko wrote: "Another absolutely amazing review!!!"

Thanks Choko! Great book!


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Aarya Pillai Thank you for rcommending, Mr Keeten. Your reviews are what compelled me to read books from this genre.


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Ivana Books Are Magic There is substantial evidence that early Christians were rather exclusive and non-tolerant in their beliefs....This contrasts with those old bw films where ancient Romans are depicted as bloodthirsty brutes who had no other purpose in life but to murder poor early Christians...and that's not how it went down. Anyway, this sounds like a fascinating book. Ancient Romans are an interesting subject to study...as far as I understand history, they were very tolerant in the matters of religions. They wanted the taxes payed and didn't bother much about the religions (which were rather numerous anyway) of their kingdom.


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Jaline Gore Vidal's books are so fabulous! I binged on his fiction novels during the 1970's and '80's - everything I could get my hands on. Great review of this one, Jeffrey, adding lots of food for thought! :)


Jeffrey Keeten Aarya Pillai wrote: "Thank you for rcommending, Mr Keeten. Your reviews are what compelled me to read books from this genre."

You are most welcome Aarya! You warm the heart of this old crusty book reader with such encouraging comments.


Jeffrey Keeten Ivana wrote: "There is substantial evidence that early Christians were rather exclusive and non-tolerant in their beliefs....This contrasts with those old bw films where ancient Romans are depicted as bloodthirs..."

Do not get me started on how intolerant Christians have been throughout history about other religions. :-) I agree that for the most part the Romans were very tolerant. Christianity gets TOO excited about martyrs though. My childhood spent going to church was filled with stories of gruesome evisceration of Christians. No stories of course of the Druids who welcomed Christians into their communities only to be told as the Christians gained strength in numbers that they would have to convert or die.


Jeffrey Keeten Jaline wrote: "Gore Vidal's books are so fabulous! I binged on his fiction novels during the 1970's and '80's - everything I could get my hands on. Great review of this one, Jeffrey, adding lots of food for thoug..."

I've been meaning to read this one for years. I've always heard such great things about it. The book lived up to all the hype.


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Jaline Jeffrey wrote: "I've been meaning to read this one for years. I've always heard such great things about it. The book lived up to all the hype. "

No surprises there! And you did a fabulous job with the review. There are sooo many books I would love to re-read so I am always torn between those and the outstanding creativity of so many new authors these days. I foresee that struggle going on for the rest of my days :)


Jeffrey Keeten Jaline wrote: "Jeffrey wrote: "I've been meaning to read this one for years. I've always heard such great things about it. The book lived up to all the hype. "

No surprises there! And you did a fabulous job with..."


Thanks Jaline! I'm reading less newer stuff these days. I've been more interested in going back and reading the stuff I missed. It is hard to re-read with so many books and characters to meet for the first time.


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Jaline Jeffrey wrote: "Thanks Jaline! I'm reading less newer stuff these days. I've been more interested in going back and reading the stuff I missed. It is hard to re-read with so many books and characters to meet for the first time."

You are so right! At some point we just have to let some of them go and read whatever is calling us. (At times a difficult feat when so many are calling at once - like 5 brass bands all playing different tunes at the same time!)


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Don I read this last year and loved it. I think it's one of Vidal's best novel along side Burr.


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Vessey Why do we care so much how someone worships or for that matter whom someone sleeps with and how can some of us believe that a man’s skin color can have anything to do with his character? It seems we always work so hard to discover how we are different instead of putting that same work into discovering what we have in common

Maybe it has to do with why they prefer Christianity. Because it’s simpler. Well, maybe they choose to determine people by superficial factors for the same reason. Because it’s easy. It’s a comfortable detachment that spares you the responsibilities and difficulties that sometimes come when you allow yourself to be a thinking creature. When Javert in Les Miserables realizes that things aren’t as black and white as he wants them to be, the confusion drives him insane.


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Stephen James A good read, keeps you turning the pages, but ultinmately contrived; you are constantly aware of the wheels going round. Not much atmosphere, feels more like 50s Washington than the 4thC Mediterranean


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Sachin Rajendran Excellent review Jeffrey. Seldom has it happened that I buy a book reading a review. You make it so compelling. Is there any book on how Constantine went about establishing Christianity ?


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