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Mrs Dalloway
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bookshelves: 1-star-reads, classics, modernist-movement
Oct 05, 2016
bookshelves: 1-star-reads, classics, modernist-movement
Read 2 times. Last read October 26, 2016.
Virginia Woolf I hate you.
There I said it. Some authors you just don’t get on with, and Woolf is right down the bottom of my shit list. I’ve got quite a few reasons why:
Artistic slaying
So there’s a trend with each and every new artistic movement which involves pissing all over the one that came before it. The newness asserts its dominance by destroying the old; it’s happened many times over history in all forms of artifice, whether it be literature, music, paintings or media in today’s society. The point is Virginia Woolf is a bitch. Here’s what she says about my beloved Jane Austen:
“Anyone who has the temerity to write about Jane Austen is aware of [two] facts: first, that of all great writers she is the most difficult to catch in the act of greatness; second, that there are twenty-five elderly gentlemen living in the neighbourhood of London who resent any slight upon her genius as if it were an insult to the chastity of their aunts�- from A Room of One's Own.
And then this:
“With their simple tools and primitive materials, it might be said, Fielding did well and Jane Austen even better, but compare their opportunities with ours! Their masterpieces certainly have a strange air of simplicity� -from Modern Fiction.
Pffft�..Is this woman for real? Don't worry Austen, I've got your back.
Her Style (or lack thereof)
So Virginia Woolf is one of the defining authors of the modernist movement; she wrote the manifesto and she wrote some of the novels. Some would even argue that she is modernism, but is that a good thing? As a cultural movement, I find modernism slightly disturbing. I’m a romantic at heart, I believe in the idealism of Percy Shelley, Wordsworth’s vison of nature and Coleridge’s imagination; thus, I feel like I am naturally predisposed to react negatively towards the movement. Is this reader response theory at work? Yes it is, I’ve warned you I’m incredibly bias towards this.
It focuses on a more suburban way of life, and analyses the relationship between humans and the city. Therefore, we have pages and pages of material in which the characters wonder round the streets looking at random things. They observe the sights and they observe each other in a stream of mundane consciousness. They remark on nature and almost, almost, compare it to this new modern life. And this is where I throw my book at the wall. How could the two even be put together in a paragraph? The words Virginia Woolf uses to describe these things are ill at ease in my mind: they don’t belong here:
“Beauty, the world seemed to say. And as if to prove it (scientifically) wherever he looked at the houses, at the railings, at the antelopes stretching over the palings, beauty sprang instantly. To watch a leaf quivering in the rush of air was an exquisite joy. Up in the sky swallows swooping, swerving, flinging themselves in and out, round and round, yet always with perfect control as if elastics held them; and the flies rising and falling; and the sun spotting now this leaf, now that, in mockery, dazzling it with soft gold in pure good temper; and now again some chime (it might be a motor horn) tinkling divinely on the grass stalks—all of this, calm and reasonable as it was, made out of ordinary things as it was, was the truth now; beauty, that was the truth now. Beauty was everywhere.�
Is city life natural? Can we really describe a city in these terms? Woolf proposes to capture the real essence of life; this passage here isn’t life: it feels false. Who walks through a city sees a leaf and is enamoured by its beauty. No one. Step outside the city and experience life in the true Wordsworth fashion, visit the lakes see the trees, and see real nature. Granted, the Romantics made it sound sublime, but they captured the heart of it: they didn’t combine city life, with its connotations of ordinariness and industry, with the real essence of nature.
Real life is dull
So Woolf attempts (cough cough) to capture real life, modernism was said to be more real than realism. This isn’t some exciting plot or twisted love story or gothic drama: this is a book about a woman who hosts a very dull party. She walks round the city a few times making some disjointed descriptions, ponders a shell shocked victim, realises she never fulfilled her repressed lesbian desires, notices that the prime minister is in fact an ordinary man (shock horror- hold onto your seats!) and that’s it. So this new modern thing then, is it good?
In the case of this book, no, it’s not. It takes more than a rejection of literary norms to establish greatness. I’ve read modernists next since this one and I’ve actually enjoyed them. Sometimes I feel like Woolf didn’t know quite what she wanted when she wrote this, I feel like other writers adhere closer to her manifesto than she does herself. And, well, they don’t attack Austen.
There I said it. Some authors you just don’t get on with, and Woolf is right down the bottom of my shit list. I’ve got quite a few reasons why:
Artistic slaying
So there’s a trend with each and every new artistic movement which involves pissing all over the one that came before it. The newness asserts its dominance by destroying the old; it’s happened many times over history in all forms of artifice, whether it be literature, music, paintings or media in today’s society. The point is Virginia Woolf is a bitch. Here’s what she says about my beloved Jane Austen:
“Anyone who has the temerity to write about Jane Austen is aware of [two] facts: first, that of all great writers she is the most difficult to catch in the act of greatness; second, that there are twenty-five elderly gentlemen living in the neighbourhood of London who resent any slight upon her genius as if it were an insult to the chastity of their aunts�- from A Room of One's Own.
And then this:
“With their simple tools and primitive materials, it might be said, Fielding did well and Jane Austen even better, but compare their opportunities with ours! Their masterpieces certainly have a strange air of simplicity� -from Modern Fiction.
Pffft�..Is this woman for real? Don't worry Austen, I've got your back.
Her Style (or lack thereof)
So Virginia Woolf is one of the defining authors of the modernist movement; she wrote the manifesto and she wrote some of the novels. Some would even argue that she is modernism, but is that a good thing? As a cultural movement, I find modernism slightly disturbing. I’m a romantic at heart, I believe in the idealism of Percy Shelley, Wordsworth’s vison of nature and Coleridge’s imagination; thus, I feel like I am naturally predisposed to react negatively towards the movement. Is this reader response theory at work? Yes it is, I’ve warned you I’m incredibly bias towards this.
It focuses on a more suburban way of life, and analyses the relationship between humans and the city. Therefore, we have pages and pages of material in which the characters wonder round the streets looking at random things. They observe the sights and they observe each other in a stream of mundane consciousness. They remark on nature and almost, almost, compare it to this new modern life. And this is where I throw my book at the wall. How could the two even be put together in a paragraph? The words Virginia Woolf uses to describe these things are ill at ease in my mind: they don’t belong here:
“Beauty, the world seemed to say. And as if to prove it (scientifically) wherever he looked at the houses, at the railings, at the antelopes stretching over the palings, beauty sprang instantly. To watch a leaf quivering in the rush of air was an exquisite joy. Up in the sky swallows swooping, swerving, flinging themselves in and out, round and round, yet always with perfect control as if elastics held them; and the flies rising and falling; and the sun spotting now this leaf, now that, in mockery, dazzling it with soft gold in pure good temper; and now again some chime (it might be a motor horn) tinkling divinely on the grass stalks—all of this, calm and reasonable as it was, made out of ordinary things as it was, was the truth now; beauty, that was the truth now. Beauty was everywhere.�
Is city life natural? Can we really describe a city in these terms? Woolf proposes to capture the real essence of life; this passage here isn’t life: it feels false. Who walks through a city sees a leaf and is enamoured by its beauty. No one. Step outside the city and experience life in the true Wordsworth fashion, visit the lakes see the trees, and see real nature. Granted, the Romantics made it sound sublime, but they captured the heart of it: they didn’t combine city life, with its connotations of ordinariness and industry, with the real essence of nature.
Real life is dull
So Woolf attempts (cough cough) to capture real life, modernism was said to be more real than realism. This isn’t some exciting plot or twisted love story or gothic drama: this is a book about a woman who hosts a very dull party. She walks round the city a few times making some disjointed descriptions, ponders a shell shocked victim, realises she never fulfilled her repressed lesbian desires, notices that the prime minister is in fact an ordinary man (shock horror- hold onto your seats!) and that’s it. So this new modern thing then, is it good?
In the case of this book, no, it’s not. It takes more than a rejection of literary norms to establish greatness. I’ve read modernists next since this one and I’ve actually enjoyed them. Sometimes I feel like Woolf didn’t know quite what she wanted when she wrote this, I feel like other writers adhere closer to her manifesto than she does herself. And, well, they don’t attack Austen.
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I think I'm going to try the audio book (I never do this) but I think this demands to be heard.

I hate her. That's all of I've got!

Orlando was fun, Mrs D was kinda meh, but To the Lighthouse is my breaking point. By the quotes you included from A Room of One's Own, I should remove it from my tbr, too.


I'm glad you do. I don't get on with her ;)

Glad you liked the review. She just sets of the inner Romantic in me. I've filled my head with their ideas, and when I see hers it antagonises me.
Throwing books at the wall is always fun, but I feel strangely guilty afterwards! :)

I have to read Jacobs room later on in the year, I'm not looking forward to it!

My commiserations. :(

She does sound like a boring bitch... sorry. :)

Only reason I got through it twice. Its on my modernist module.

It's slightly overkill at places. It works in her short story "key gardens" but here it is weird.


Glad you like her :)
But I can't like everyone. Woolf isn't for me.

I wondered if you'd comment on this. I remembered your profile pic being Virginia Woolf! :)
And she was very innovative, I just don’t like her innovations. She doesn’t do it for me. As a reader I do have my own biases in some regards and Woolf sets them off. I do recognise that she is one of the greatest writers of twentieth century, but I can’t personally like everything.
And as for Joyce, I’ve not read his works yet. I’m reading Dubliners soon. So it’ll be interesting to see how I get on with that.
Ah ha ha ha ha ha. I'm absolutely in stitches. Stitches I say!

Is city life natural? Can we really describe a city in these terms?
In what way is Woolf presenting it as 'natural'? whatever that means. Of course we can describe the city in these terms, it's a question which seems to be searching but actually contains very little of substance and is a shoddy attempt at criticism.
Woolf proposes to capture the real essence of life; this passage here isn’t life: it feels false. Who walks through a city sees a leaf and is enamoured by its beauty.
So life isn't real unless lived through some romantic's bucolic imagination? Do you love the beauty of nature for what it is or do you like the idea presented in romantic poetry? It seems absurd and rather philistine to say the play between light and object can only be beautiful in a specific environment. I see no difference whether it involves the leaves in a London park, the dome of a cathedral or the foam of a crashing wave.
If anything the romantics can be seen to be false. A reaction against the griminess of industrialisation and urbanisation yes, but not the essence of many individuals lived experience.

Is city life natural? Can we really describe a city in these terms?
In what way is Woolf presenting it as 'natural'? whatever that means. Of cours..."
Criticism? This is simply my opinion. I welcome discussion, but when someone attempts to insult me I just ignore them and don't partake.

I _really_ struggled reading Orlando so decided to give Woolf another chance. I am listening to the audiobook read by Juliet Stevenson whose voice is joy to experience but even she can't redeem Woolf.
She is so opinionated and full of herself. There are snatches of insight and the cadence of the words when spoken aloud is rhythmic and at times soporific but so boring.
This shall be my last Woolf. If she was truly the birth of a movement, thank goodness the novel evolved.
She didn't exactly piss all over older literature. Woolf was very well read and praised writers like Tolstoy, Eliot etc. She just saw that there was more that could be done. She was just picking up where they left off. Also to quote Woolf on Austen: "Never did any novelist make more use of an impeccable sense of human values."




I think Dickens manages to widely describe human nature, his novels might be centered in a culture, country or even within a city, but his characters are universal not only geographically but across time, we can see today his characters in real life. Mrs. Dalloway manages to describe a day in the London society and with a few exceptions (1?) there are rich people with rich people problems.
I just don't see the need (neither support) from her to say such things from Dickens's characters. I liked Mrs. Dalloway but I wouldn't read it again, specially after reading this review ;) Looks like she is better at saying that other authors don't write well than at writing itself.



Dickens characters are shallow? excuse me. Now this is going to end even before it can start. You can know much about an author just by the way he opinioned his fellow-mates.
Sean, sir, thanks for the review





The quote was actually quite representative of Woolf. I'll never understand why people get so defensive and sometimes mean when others don't like the same books or authors that they do. It's juvenile and frankly close minded . I so agree with his observations about city life and life in general within reaction too.
I'm old. I've seen many new fades of "wisdom" etc. Some of the most popular authors are insufferable. Some like their attitudes. Some don't. What skin is it off anyone's nose to not appreciate the same things.
And Molly, I'm another Dickens hater. From Day 1. What a melodramatic diva times 10. His people are angels or the worst demons imaginable. Stereotypes.
But some people just eat that stuff up. Woolf is not for all tastes in any way.