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Youth by J.M. Coetzee
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What can I say? This is the tenth novel (or so, I just made a quick calculation in my head) by Coetzee that I have read, and it leaves me puzzled in a way that the others do not, even though they may be less approachable, more brutal and enigmatic. This one is clear-cut, with simple language and a typical coming-of-age plot. It is very easy to read, and in fact, I finished it in an afternoon. But it has left me agonising over its content in a way I did not anticipate at all.

There are autobiographical elements in the story of the young man who leaves Cape Town in 1962 to start a new life in London. The character is called John, and aspires to become a poet, or writer in general, while trying to fit in by taking a job as a computer programmer. So far, so good. It is the search of the poet for the right modus vivendi to develop his creativity.

Where is the problem?

I absolutely loathed the main character. There is no other way to describe what I felt, page after page, digging deeper into his psyche filled with pretentious nothingness and arrogance. This makes me wonder what the character meant to the author. Does he reflect Coetzee’s own development? If so, there is a huge amount of prejudice and misogyny in his world view, almost painfully evident in every sentence. Or is it a critical analysis of the mindset of the early 1960s, showing the reality of that time ruthlessly in order to make a subtle statement on the era without embracing those attitudes in 2002, when the novel was published?

I don’t know.

Apart from the problematic relationship of 1960s South Africa to the rest of the world, I was appalled by the stereotypical description of women from Provence, London, small towns in England or Sweden.

“Spiritually, he would feel at home in Stockholm, he suspects. But what about Swedish?�

I hate when people assume by hearsay that they know exactly what Sweden is like, and what they can expect of it. There seems to be a consensus in the world how to categorise Swedes, and the general common denominator between the analysts is that they have never lived in Sweden or talked to a Swede, or read a Swedish author. Yet, they “spiritually� identify with Stockholm.

Swedish women, of course, are useful to young poets-in-the-making with patriarchal instincts and ancient attitudes towards women’s roles as muses and sexual objects:

“Because they are creators, artists possess the secret of love. The fire that burns in artists is visible to women, by means of an instinctive faculty. Women themselves do not have the sacred fire (there are exceptions: Sappho, Emily Bronte). It is in quest of the fire they lack, the fire of love, that women pursue artists and give themselves to them.�

Good artists can hope for Swedish or French muses, while boring poets have to take a local girl, a pert little something from the countryside�

Judging by the butcher approach of the main character when it comes to all encounters with women, he does not have the creative spark himself, despite his conviction to the contrary.

He is literally caught between two worlds: the respectable middle class and the bohemian artist life, and he is equally hopeless in both:

“The right thing is boring. So he is at an impasse: he would rather be bad than boring [note from the furious reviewer: he is BOTH!], has no respect for a person who would rather be bad than boring, and no respect either for the cleverness of being able to put his dilemma neatly into words.�

No respect for anything might be a good summary of the character’s mindset. The outside world only exists to deliver what he needs to fulfil his literary destiny. He offers nothing in return.

Leaves me to form a judgment on the novel. Clearly Mr Coetzee himself is spiritually at home in Stockholm, as he received the Nobel Prize in Literature from the Swedish Academy in 2003, shortly after he wrote this novel. Clearly he has a sharp analytical mind and is able to describe an abject character objectively without raising an eyebrow. The story as such is compelling, and most definitely a mirror of what many young men in 1962 would have thought or done.

It does take a master storyteller to create a portrait of such a man and get the reader to feel so strongly against him, and still want to read on.

I will have to reread my Coetzee collection again in order to make a proper evaluation of why I can’t make up my mind about this one.

The jury is still out. Not expected back anytime soon.
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November 13, 2016 – Shelved
November 13, 2016 – Shelved as: nobels
November 13, 2016 – Shelved as: 1001-books-to-read-before-you-die
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message 1: by Lizzy (new) - added it

Lizzy You wonderful review, Lisa, makes me go ahead, drop everything I am reading and go back to reading Coetzee. It's marvelous to know there I can still experience for the first time. Thanks for sharing. L.


message 2: by Violet (new)

Violet wells Fabulous fiery review, Lisa.


message 3: by Kevin (new)

Kevin Ansbro Food for thought, Lisa! Punchy review.
I like it when a lead character starts off as being loathsome, then has an epiphany and ends the book in a positive light.
Not so good when the main protagonist continues to be odious until the last chapter.


Lisa Jean-Paul wrote: "I've only read one book by him so far, just to have an idea of what he was about. It was: Diary of a Bad Year. I enjoyed it, but I put the rest of his work on hold for retirement. No..."

He is a fascinating author, and I enjoyed every single one of his books, I just did not know what to think of this one, it left me confused, and agitated. In a sense, that is the best possible compliment for an author!


Lisa Lizzy wrote: "You wonderful review, Lisa, makes me go ahead, drop everything I am reading and go back to reading Coetzee. It's marvelous to know there I can still experience for the first time. Thanks for sharin..."

Thank you, Lizzie! Happy you were inspired to get back to Coetzee!


message 6: by Dolors (new)

Dolors I haven't read as many books by the laureate as you have, Lisa, but I knew I had to stop for a while after Life and Times of Michael K, and this review perfectly delineates Coetzee's mastery in creating despicable but magnetic characters that pull you in, no matter the aberrations they do or think... Great review!


Lisa Violet wrote: "Fabulous fiery review, Lisa."

Thank you, Violet!


Lisa Jean-Paul wrote: "P.S. With regard to Sweden, Lisa, people often tell me how lucky I am to be living in Sweden and that our capital city is one of the most beautiful in Europe: Geneva!!! I've come to the point that ..."

Hahaha, Jean-Paul! There is something confusing with our countries. I am more often than not placed in Switzerland myself...


Lisa Jean-Paul wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Jean-Paul wrote: "P.S. With regard to Sweden, Lisa, people often tell me how lucky I am to be living in Sweden and that our capital city is one of the most beautiful in Europe: Geneva!..."

Indeed, cher ami!


message 10: by Julie (new)

Julie I've not read any Coetzee, Lisa, and this impassioned review makes me want to start here. In a sense, it might be getting the "worst out of the way" and I can enjoy the rest; more than anything, I'm intrigued to find out what exactly inspired such a heated response from you. : ) On all counts, it looks very intriguing and tempting. The world will have to add several more hours to the day before I can get to half of any of all those I want to read.


message 11: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Kevin wrote: "Food for thought, Lisa! Punchy review.
I like it when a lead character starts off as being loathsome, then has an epiphany and ends the book in a positive light.
Not so good when the main protagoni..."


The more I think of it, the more I am convinced that the inaptitude of the character was a brilliant move on Coetzee's part. He is not known for creating heroes, with or without flaws...


message 12: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Dolors wrote: "I haven't read as many books by the laureate as you have, Lisa, but I knew I had to stop for a while after Life and Times of Michael K, and this review perfectly delineates Coetzee's ma..."

Oh yes, Michael K went under my skin as well! He is quite unique in his storytelling...


message 13: by Ilse (new) - rated it 3 stars

Ilse What a passionate review, Lisa - it has been too long ago I read this or another one by Coetzee, I do not even remember why I rated it rather lukewarmly, probably because I was more impressed by Disgrace and Waiting for the Barbarians. Clearly time for returning to him. Loved your musings on muses!


Adina (notifications back, log out, clear cache) Thank you for your review. It reminds me that I need to read another Coetzee soon.


message 15: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Julie wrote: "I've not read any Coetzee, Lisa, and this impassioned review makes me want to start here. In a sense, it might be getting the "worst out of the way" and I can enjoy the rest; more than anything, I'..."

I know! I personally would love to have an "Alternative Reading Universe" that I can step into whenever I need to escape. Then I would spend as much time there as I need and re-emerge in the real world when it has calmed down... in a couple of centuries or so :-)


message 16: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl Brilliant analysis, Lisa. This was a pleasure to read and I love how you never backed down in your probing of the protagonist. So far, the only Coetzee I've read is Disgrace and in that I also found myself agonizing over the main character's conscience and yet in some moments I also appreciated the illustrated rawness of his flaws and his realization and acceptance of his skewed way of thinking, even if his unwillingness to change is what made me grapple with the novel.


message 17: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Ilse wrote: "What a passionate review, Lisa - it has been too long ago I read this or another one by Coetzee, I do not even remember why I rated it rather lukewarmly, probably because I was more impressed by Di..."

I am relieved to hear that you also sometimes feel puzzled when seeing your own ratings. That happens to me occasionally as well. The worst is when I realise I don't remember a thing... :-/


message 18: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Adina wrote: "Thank you for your review. It reminds me that I need to read another Coetzee soon."

Thank you, Adina!


message 19: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Cheryl wrote: "Brilliant analysis, Lisa. This was a pleasure to read and I love how you never backed down in your probing of the protagonist. So far, the only Coetzee I've read is Disgrace and in that..."

Thank you for sharing your Coetzee experience, Cheryl. I am reassured to find that many friends have the same ambiguous feeling when reading his remarkable novels: admiration and disgust...


message 20: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Jean-Paul wrote: "I've only read one book by him so far, just to have an idea of what he was about. It was: Diary of a Bad Year. I enjoyed it, but I put the rest of his work on hold for retirement. No..."

I just found Diary of a bad year in my library, Jean-Paul, so I will give Coetzee another try. He is one of those authors that I get back to over and over again, despite not necessarily liking what I read...


message 21: by Seemita (new)

Seemita Your acquaintance with Coetzee's works quite clearly puts you in an enviable position to review his exploits, Lisa. And knowing that he really can sear our innards with his rigid characterization, carrying portentous elements, I can't differ much with your observations. Swell review!


message 22: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Seemita wrote: "Your acquaintance with Coetzee's works quite clearly puts you in an enviable position to review his exploits, Lisa. And knowing that he really can sear our innards with his rigid characterization, ..."

Thank you, Seemita! He does indeed sear our innards - in a different way each time.


message 23: by Jaline (new) - added it

Jaline Another fabulously erudite review, Lisa! This novel definitely sounds like am enigma.


message 24: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Jaline wrote: "Another fabulously erudite review, Lisa! This novel definitely sounds like am enigma."

I have never managed to review his other novels properly, and slways swear not to touch his wtiting again as it is so painful, but I always end up reading more - staying as puzzled as ever!


message 25: by Jaline (new) - added it

Jaline Lisa wrote: "I have never managed to review his other novels properly, and slways swear not to touch his wtiting again as it is so painful, but I always end up reading more - staying as puzzled as ever!."

Hahaha - I think you must be more patient and persistent than I am. :)


message 26: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Jaline wrote: "Lisa wrote: "I have never managed to review his other novels properly, and slways swear not to touch his wtiting again as it is so painful, but I always end up reading more - staying as puzzled as ..."

Nope to patient! I get incredibly frustrated - my kids and students (and husband) can testify to that. But I am persistent, which those quoted people would call stubborn :-)


message 27: by Jaline (new) - added it

Jaline Lisa wrote: "Nope to patient! I get incredibly frustrated - my kids and students (and husband) can testify to that. But I am persistent, which those quoted people would call stubborn :-)"

Persistent, dedicated, single-minded; not stubborn - determined!! :)


message 28: by Ryan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ryan Not a novel.


message 29: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Ryan wrote: "Not a novel."

Well, it is described as a "semifictionalised autobiographical novel" in official blurbs. But I don't see the point of your comment, to be honest. Opening a discussion on the ambiguous genre? Showing me a supposed mistake in my wording?


message 30: by Dimitri (new)

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What can I say?" - you know this will be a review unlike Lisa's others ...


message 31: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Dimitri wrote: ""ܳ�

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Now I have to laugh, Dimitri! It is difficult to find a starting point with this one ... :-)


message 32: by Dimitri (new)

Dimitri The way you describe the protagonist reminds me of the more offended review(er)s of The Sculptor ; whiny artist, manic pixie dream girl. Did he write himself one in Stockholm to quench his artistic fire ?


message 33: by Ed (new)

Ed An interesting review, Lisa - you are clearly conflicted about this one. I've only read two of Coetzee's novels, but both have featured protagonists of less than admirable character. Of course, you don't always have to like a character to enjoy a novel, but there comes a point where you so dislike them that it becomes difficult to tolerate their company. And when the character is supposedly semi-autobiographical and you are a fan of the author's work, I can see the conflict this might create.


message 34: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Dimitri wrote: "The way you describe the protagonist reminds me of the more offended review(er)s of The Sculptor ; whiny artist, manic pixie dream girl. Did he write himself one in Stockholm to que..."

Unfortunately, I believe there is a lot of autobiographical "honesty" in Coetzee's account - which is why my feeling is so ambiguous. I want to give him credit for showing the truth - but at the same time, giving credit for misogynist, narcissistic self-absorption seems wrong.


message 35: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Edward wrote: "An interesting review, Lisa - you are clearly conflicted about this one. I've only read two of Coetzee's novels, but both have featured protagonists of less than admirable character. Of course, you..."

I liked most of his other work better than this one, to be honest, even though many others are far more violent and bleak.


Vishakha A brilliant review. True, it takes a master story teller to have such an unlikeable character and yet make the reader turn pages after pages. While reading it, I was constantly thinking, how much of himself has Coetzee channelled into this character, especially the bit about women and his feelings towards his mother as a "graceless, obstinate woman?


message 37: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa Vishakha wrote: "A brilliant review. True, it takes a master story teller to have such an unlikeable character and yet make the reader turn pages after pages. While reading it, I was constantly thinking, how much o..."

I know. Left me feel disturbed for a long time!


David Partikian Is it pretentious nothing and arrogance or a confession of self-imposed misery? I give the author credit for brutal honesty, a prerequisite for all great artists. I also cannot fault him for being South African.


message 39: by Tina (new) - rated it 2 stars

Tina I like your interpretation but it doesn’t seem to align with a four star rating. I agree with you and give it 2 stars (= ‘it was ok�.)


message 40: by Lisa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lisa I find ratings notoriously difficult and tend to choose to rate a book that makes me react, feel and think a lot highly. This was such a book🤷‍♀�


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