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Macbeth by William Shakespeare
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There is a commonly used structural/plotting device in drama whereby the nature of the leading characters are elucidated by their varying responses to the same event/temptation/threat. I'm not sufficient a scholar to know if this approach pre-dates Shakespeare but he certainly used it and it has certainly been employed many times since - because it can be very effective.

It's used in Julius Caesar - compare and contrast the conspirators' motivations for assassinating Caesar and it will tell you much about the varied natures of those conspirators.

Here in MacBeth it is used even more prominently - so much so that it is the responses to one act of ambiguous temptation in the first Act that forms the entire action and purpose of the play. Three people are tempted by the prophecies of the Weird Sisters. "Weird" derives a now rare meaning, "fate" from Old English "wyrd", that I am confident Shakespeare was aware of. Think about it; the Fate or Fateful Sisters. Makes perfect and terrifying sense in the context of the play.

So the three people tempted are MacBeth and Banquo, of course, since they were present for the prophecy, and Lady MacBeth, who hears it later from her husband, and stands to gain much, indirectly, if those uncanny sisters speak truth.

I feel that if the basic idea occurred to a contemporary Hollywood scriptwriter today, we'd have the story of virtuous, heroic Banquo, who would die himself whilst killing the usurper, leaving the throne to his son. Shakespeare, however, knew that a flawless hero is actually a fairly boring protagonist and instead relegated him to the secondary but crucial role of person who ignores the temptation but nevertheless reaps the reward offered in the prophecy (if founding a line of kings is any consolation for being murdered on the way to a feast hosted by your former best friend).

More interesting is the morally conflicted man who knows that the quickest way to the throne is also the worst and his ambitious wife who urges him on though she, when it comes to it, cannot do the evil deed herself.

So first we have the contrast between the good man and the bad, then we have the contrast between the initially reluctant man who goes on to commit crime after ever more brutal and heinous crime and the woman that, though she did nothing directly herself, becomes ever more remorseful and unhinged, until she can stand it no longer, her prayer to be "unsexed" having not been answered.

These contrasts reveal the Tragedy of the potentially great and good MacBeth.

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July 1, 2016 – Started Reading
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January 2, 2017 – Shelved as: drama
January 2, 2017 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Mir (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mir There is a commonly used structural/plotting device in drama whereby the nature of the leading characters are elucidated by their varying responses to the same event/temptation/threat. I'm not sufficient a scholar to know if this approach pre-dates Shakespeare

Antigone, perhaps?


Robert Miriam wrote: "There is a commonly used structural/plotting device in drama whereby the nature of the leading characters are elucidated by their varying responses to the same event/temptation/threat. I'm not suff..."

I couldn't say, having not read it (yet...it's stuck in Mount TBR).


Riku Sayuj interesting perspective. Thanks for a nice morning read


notgettingenough I like Mount TBR. Mine still (just) fit in a bookshelf.

Have you seen any movie versions of this? I recently saw the new version, which is directed by a South Australian, so I wanted to be entirely parochially enthusiastic about it, but I think it was a bad job. It's the one with Fassbender and everybody mumbles all the time. Couldn't understand a word even though I know the play reasonably well.


Robert notgettingenough wrote: "I like Mount TBR. Mine still (just) fit in a bookshelf.

Have you seen any movie versions of this? I recently saw the new version, which is directed by a South Australian, so I wanted to be entirel..."


Mount TBR is over 200 volumes at the moment and would need a very long shelf to fit on...

I've seen the film version you mention and the mumbling is the least of my complaints... I've also seen Kurosawa's Throne of Blood, which is much better. I have not seen the famous Polanski version.


notgettingenough Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "I like Mount TBR. Mine still (just) fit in a bookshelf.

Have you seen any movie versions of this? I recently saw the new version, which is directed by a South Australian, ..."


Well, yes. I came out and complained that they'd taken out the damned spot bit. Apparently it was there and I missed it. Did they also move it all around so it was in the wrong order? I just didn't get it at all. Making something evocative because you can with film should just be the icing not the whole point of a film.

I've seen Polanski as a kid and it left a big impression, but I don't know what I'd think of it now. Kurosawa's is great.


Robert notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "I like Mount TBR. Mine still (just) fit in a bookshelf.

Have you seen any movie versions of this? I recently saw the new version, which is directed by a Sou..."


There was no porter scene (because there was no castle) - the whole thing was clueless.

I'm quite keen on Kurosawa's samurai films in general.


notgettingenough Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "I like Mount TBR. Mine still (just) fit in a bookshelf.

Have you seen any movie versions of this? I recently saw the new version, w..."


I hang my head on behalf of all South Australians.


Robert notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "I like Mount TBR. Mine still (just) fit in a bookshelf.

Have you seen any movie versions of this? I recently saw the..."


Or you could buy some more books and not read them...


notgettingenough Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "I like Mount TBR. Mine still (just) fit in a bookshelf.

Have you seen any movie versions of..."


By the way, I meant bookcase when I said bookshelf. And that's just in Geneva. As my family book business is closing down in Adelaide ( eight days to go!) I took 500 books when I was last there, not really 'to be read' more like 'who knows?' And there will be more where those came from when I get home.

In fact I could say of the TBR bookcase here, that I've taken quite a lot out, and just shelved them. I don't think that if you haven't read a book it has to go in a special place.


Robert notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "I like Mount TBR. Mine still (just) fit in a bookshelf.

Have you seen any mo..."


In my case I just find it convenient to shelve them separately. Can one fit 216 books in a book case? I still think it would need to be a large one.


notgettingenough Robert wrote: "In my case I just find it convenient to shelve them separately. Can one fit 216 books in a book case? I still think it would need to be a large one.
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I've just counted a couple of ours, one that holds maybe a tad more than 200 and another that's more like 160. But I wouldn't call either of them particularly large and they could both easily fit another shelf on top of what's there.

Do you have a room for books, like a library? Or just books everywhere? I've always wanted a room that is the library, but I don't know what would make it different from all the other rooms. Maybe you wouldn't be allowed to speak.


Robert notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "In my case I just find it convenient to shelve them separately. Can one fit 216 books in a book case? I still think it would need to be a large one.
"

I've just counted a couple of..."


Currently I just have a room and a shipping container...


notgettingenough Robert wrote: "Currently I just have a room and a shipping container... "

So, is the room special? Or is it just like all the other rooms but it has more books in it? Is there room to sit and read in there? Does it have a special Reading Chair?


Robert notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "Currently I just have a room and a shipping container... "

So, is the room special? Or is it just like all the other rooms but it has more books in it? Is there room to sit and read..."


No, no - I have one room to live in...


notgettingenough Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "Currently I just have a room and a shipping container... "

So, is the room special? Or is it just like all the other rooms but it has more books in it? Is t..."


Right. So you live in a library. Nice.


Robert notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "Currently I just have a room and a shipping container... "

So, is the room special? Or is it just like all the other rooms but it has more bo..."


No...most of the books are in the shipping container...


message 18: by notgettingenough (last edited Jun 22, 2017 05:54AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

notgettingenough Robert wrote: "No...most of the books are in the shipping container.."

It has some books in it. I'm calling it a library.


Robert notgettingenough wrote: "Robert wrote: "No...most of the books are in the shipping container.."

It has some books in it. I'm calling it a library."


OK.


message 20: by Mir (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mir notgettingenough wrote: "I've always wanted a room that is the library, but I don't know what would make it different from all the other rooms. Maybe you wouldn't be allowed to speak."

I had a room that I called the library in one house. I'm not sure what it was meant to be used for, but it was a quite small room separated from the living room by glass double doors, with large windows on one side. I had shelves on all the walls and an armchair by the window. It was the only room I miss from that house.

Robert wrote: "Can one fit 216 books in a book case? I still think it would need to be a large one."

Easily, especially if you double layer any paperbacks.


notgettingenough Miriam wrote: "I had a room that I called the library in one house. I'm not sure what it was meant to be used for, but it was a quite small room separated from the living room by glass double doors, with large windows on one side. I had shelves on all the walls and an armchair by the window. It was the only room I miss from that house." Yes, I want something like that. I think what is now a garage is going to turn into such a room. With glass doors opening to the small front flowery garden. And I'll have a cup of tea. I'm finding it hard to read at the moment because we are in the middle of a European heatwave and reading with iced water just isn't the same thing at all."

Easily, especially if you double layer any paperbacks. But I don't want to do that. I want to see all my books all the time.


message 22: by Mir (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mir Then I better not mention how many books are in crates in the garage...


notgettingenough Miriam wrote: "Then I better not mention how many books are in crates in the garage..."

I know all the problems. We are closing down our antiquarian book business at the end of the month and after 45 years of my father and others acquiring books, we will have maybe 50K of them left. When I took 500 earlier this year you couldn't see the slightest impact on the shelves! And they are all double shelved and in boxes and goodness knows what. But I'd rather have some of them in boxes than double shelved.

Having said that, I do have some doubleshelved at the moment, but only because it's a staging place before they go to their permanent home and I haven't had time to do that. It has to be done at a leisurely pace, it's a job to linger over, I think.


message 24: by Mir (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mir I don't mind the double-shelving too much, because I have many books by the same author or on related topics, so I put them behind one another and can easily find them.


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