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Deathless by Catherynne M. Valente
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If a novelist wrote a true story about how things really happened, no one would believe him, and he might even be punished for spreading propaganda. But if he wrote a book full of lies about things that could never really happen, with only a few true things hidden in it, well, he would be hailed as a hero of the People, given a seat at a writers� cafe, served wine and ukha, and not have to pay for any of it.

Catherynne M. Valente, indeed, has written about things that really happened and hid it, in our case behind a fairy-tale. Sure, this book was magical and fairy-tale like, but for me, first and foremost, it was historical fiction. As we know, the thing with historical fiction is that it can be interpreted differently, depending on how a person perceives historical facts and lays them down on paper. Politics is messy, recent history is even messier. It’s hard to write about something and stay neutral, showing the events as an outsider or an observer. Valente couldn’t manage either. I am not blaming her for anything, but it felt that she had a strong opinion on the period of Russian history from Revolution of 1917 to one of the hardest and saddest periods in Russian history - Siege of Leningrad (1941-1944). The thing is, I can't say I agree with the author's vision. Of course, it might not bother non-Russian people, but for me it is a history of my country and it was hard to read about it, knowing that things are not as simple as sometimes Valente made them to be. But that’s not why I didn’t enjoy this book, on the opposite, I applaud the author for her courage in taking such challenging historical period for foundation of her book and speaking her opinion (even if I think it wasn't a wise decision due to several factors I'll explain later on). Some things I agreed with, with some I didn’t: the truth is in the eye of the beholder, after all. One thing is for sure: Valente deserves to be mentioned with other authors who's written about Russia and did not mix it with dirt and heresy (yes, I am looking at you The Bronze Horseman), apart from the vodka moments, that is: when will authors learn that Russians do not drink vodka instead of water, and surely they do not treat illness with vodka:
“Drink, Marousha,� he clucked gently, like a mother, and put a glass to her lips. “Your lungs want vodka.�

*cringe* Just nooooo!

First and foremost thing that bothered me about this book is characters. I didn’t feel them, I thought them quite bland and one-minded: obsession of any kind was the driven force of every character there is. I love dark, flawed, damaged characters, but I must see something in them apart from darkness; these characters felt morally degraded, I didn’t notice any virtue in any of them, I didn’t feel they had souls. All they ever wanted is to have sex and posses each other and other things or people. Sure, with Koschei it was easier to accept, his character arc is all about being an ancient creature who only lives, takes, torments, spends, dies, comes to life again and goes in the same circle over and over. I admit, despite his image absolutely clashing in my head with the real Koschei from my childhood fairy-tales (he was and always will be canonical villain, not a sexy young misunderstood hero), I kind of almost liked this one Valente showed us, I can see why Leigh Bardugo chose him as prototype for her Darkling. I understand the appeal.
"I don't care, Marya Morevna. Kiss him. Take him to your bed, and the vila, too, for all it matters to me. Do you understand me, wife? There need never be any rules between us. Let us be greedy together; let us hoard. Let us hit each other with birch branches and lock each other in dungeons; let us drink each other's blood in the night and betray each other in the sun. Let us lie and lust and take hundreds of lovers; let us dance until snow melts beneath us. Let us steal and eat until we grow fat and roll in the pleasures of life, clutching each other for purchase. Only leave me my death � let me hold this one thing sacred and unmolested and secret � and I will serve you a meal myself, served on a platter of all the world's bounty. Only do not leave me, swear that you will never leave me, and no empress will stand higher. Forget the girls in the factory. Be selfish and cruel and think nothing of them. I am selfish. I am cruel. My mate cannot be less than I. I will have you in my hoard, Marya Morevna, my black mirror.�

But Marya Morevna felt shallow. I expected more development from her character. I understand that we stay witness to her transformation from innocent girl to Koschei’s beloved, as she must be equal to him. But again, I saw the transformation, I surely saw the darkness and greed and lust, but I didn’t see depth in her character. It all felt supercilious, underdeveloped, based on lower instincts. I can’t respect a character that doesn’t have a drop of decency in them. Plus, in the fairy-tale Marya holds wisdom in herself, this version of Marya only loved to hold male flesh inside her. I didn’t see one quality I should respect or like in the heroine. Maybe it was the point, but to my taste these characters were too hopeless, too gone.

Baba Yaga, though, I liked the modern version of her, the only funny moments in the book that really made me smile were hers. The old crone have some gunpowder left in her still, and she never looses her slyness.
“I ate all of my husbands. First I ate their love, then their will, then their despair, and then I made pies of their bodies - and those bodies were so dear to me!�


The second most bothersome thing for me was the element of BDSM in this book. Now, it was hard as it is to imagine Koschei young and virile, but him having twisted sex is something one better not to see if they want to preserve their childhood memories. At times, it felt as if Valente had raped Russian folklore and gave birth to something monstrous instead. And call me old-fashioned, but I love me some good romance in a book if I want to believe in the couple. What Koschei and Marya had was not romantic and was not love � obsession, passion, desire to hurt. Not healthy, not beautiful, certainly disturbing. Add to that double insta-love and a very strange love-triangle with Ivan: the heroine literally slept with both men at the same time. The romance part was killed for me to the root. Maybe that is how it was supposed to be, maybe I don’t get their “love�, but, honestly, I don’t even feel bad for not trying to get into that mess.

The third issue is the clash of history and fairy-tale. I am not sure it was a good idea to choose recent historical period and mix it with fairy-tale. For me Russian fairy-tale is something old and wise and magical and not very mixable with modern world. Sure, there was the part in the beginning with Comrades domoviye, which really reminded me of my all-time favorite cartoon about Domovyonok Kusya, who lives in Soviet Union and whom Baba Yaga was trying to catch and eat the whole time. As for the rest of the mix, it felt like two pieces of different puzzles that won’t add into one no matter from which side you are trying to join them. Maybe because I am Russian it was hard to add some things together, and for non Russian people there wouldn’t be any problems with it, but yeah, you can’t erase years of your cultural upbringing and make it into something else. Katya in her review perfectly underlined that twisting something that millions of kids grew up with is borderline offensive, like, for example, twisting the Lion King cartoon: what if Simba was actually stupid and boring and Nala totally got it on with Scar, who really looks like Oded Fehr. [the quote copied from Katya's review for purposes of example]. How would you feel about such change of your childhood fairy-tale? Although, the part with Buyan - Koshei’s kingdom - was relatively comfortable for me to read about, as it was a thing of fairy-tale too, and, though, there were changes, they were more curious than unpleasant.

The only thing that got my admiration with this book is prose, so beautiful and exquisite one cannot but fall in love with it. I admit, I don't get to read such beautifully written books often, so I was utterly enchanted by it and do not regret reading this book if only for the poetic writing. My only complaint about it that sometimes it was so surreal I didn’t understand what was going on in the book: beautifully written but incomprehensive.

All in all, this was definitely an "uncomfortable" kind of book that challenged my boundaries as a reader. Alas, it turned out mostly not my cup of tea, and, though, I fairly enjoyed the first half of the book, the second one was a huge mess, and made me skim-read the last 30%. And the ending was so surreal I don't know what to think about the weirdness it was. Moreover, I can't say anything good about the solidness of the plot: nothing was really happening in the book plotwise, and big time jumps (10 years) were mostly for the benefit of the historical picture, not character development.
I still would advice to try this book if you are curious about it, with this one you never know if it'll turn out your thing or not. Just keep in mind that this book is not something one reads for leisure; it's too dark, twisted and hope-free.
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“You will always fall in love, and it will always be like having your throat cut, just that fast.”
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“You are going to break your promise. I understand. And I hold my hands over the ears of my heart, so that I will not hate you.”
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“Oh, I will be cruel to you, Marya Morevna. It will stop your breath, how cruel I can be. But you understand, don’t you? You are clever enough. I am a demanding creature. I am selfish and cruel and extremely unreasonable. But I am your servant. When you starve I will feed you; when you are sick I will tend you. I crawl at your feet; for before your love, your kisses, I am debased. For you alone I will be weak.”
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“That's how you get deathless, volchitsa. Walk the same tale over and over, until you wear a groove in the world, until even if you vanished, the tale would keep turning, keep playing, like a phonograph, and you'd have to get up again, even with a bullet through your eye, to play your part and say your lines.”
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“I will not let her speak because I love her, and when you love someone, you do not make them tell war stories. A war story is a black space. On the one side is before and on the other side is after, and what is inside belongs only to the dead.”
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“Lebedeva’s eyes shone. “Masha, listen to me. Cosmetics are an extension of the will. Why do you think all men paint themselves when they go to fight? When I paint my eyes to match my soup, it is not because I have nothing better to do than worry over trifles. It says, I belong here, and you will not deny me. When I streak my lips red as foxgloves, I say, Come here, male. I am your mate, and you will not deny me. When I pinch my cheeks and dust them with mother-of-pearl, I say, Death, keep off, I am your enemy, and you will not deny me. I say these things, and the world listens, Masha. Because my magic is as strong as an arm. I am never denied.”
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“Magic does that. It wastes you away. Once it grips you by the ear, the real world gets quieter and quieter, until you can hardly hear it at all.”
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“War is not for winning, Masha," sighed Koschei, reading the tracks of supply lines, of pincer strategies, over her shoulder. "It is for surviving.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“You will always go into that tent. You will see her scar and wonder where she got it. You will always be amazed at how one woman can have so much black hair. You will always fall in love, and it will always be like having your throat cut, just that fast. You will always run away with her. You will always lose her. You will always be a fool. You will always be dead, in a city of ice, snow falling into your ear. You have already done all of this and will do it again.”
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“But her heart was so cold that she could hold ice in her mouth and it would never melt.”
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“But if you must be clever, then be clever. Be brave. Sleep with fists closed and shoot straight.”
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“Koschei smiled. His pale lips sought hers, crushing her into a kiss like dying. She tasted sweetness there, as though he still kissed her with honey and sugar on his tongue. When he pulled away, his eyes shone.

"I don't care, Marya Morevna. Kiss him. Take him to your bed, and the vila, too, for all it matters to me. Do you understand me, wife? There need never be any rules between us. Let us be greedy together; let us hoard. Let us hit each other with birch branches and lock each other in dungeons; let us drink each other's blood in the night and betray each other in the sun. Let us lie and lust and take hundreds of lovers; let us dance until snow melts beneath us. Let us steal and eat until we grow fat and roll in the pleasures of life, clutching each other for purchase. Only leave me my death � let me hold this one thing sacred and unmolested and secret � and I will serve you a meal myself, served on a platter of all the world's bounty. Only do not leave me, swear that you will never leave me, and no empress will stand higher. Forget the girls in the factory. Be selfish and cruel and think nothing of them. I am selfish. I am cruel. My mate cannot be less than I. I will have you in my hoard, Marya Morevna, my black mirror.”
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“A marriage is a private thing. It has its own wild laws, and secret histories, and savage acts, and what passes between married people is incomprehensible to outsiders. We look terrible to you, and severe, and you see our blood flying, but what we carry between us is hard-won, and we made it just as we wished it to be, just the color, just the shape.”
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“How I adore you, Marya. How well I chose. Scold me; deny me. Tell me you want what you want and damn me forever. But don’t leave me.”
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“Bad luck relies on absolutely perfect timing.”
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“The rapt pupil will be forgiven for assuming the Tsar of Death to be wicked and the Tsar of Life to be virtuous. Let the truth be told: There is no virtue anywhere. Life is sly and unscrupulous, a blackguard, wolfish, severe. In service to itself, it will commit any offense. So, too, is Death possessed of infinite strategies and a gaunt nature- but also mercy, also grace and tenderness. In his own country, Death can be kind.”
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“Marya Morevna! Don't you know anything? Girls must be very, very careful to care only for ribbons and magazines and wedding rings. They must sweep their hearts clean of anything but kisses and theater and dancing. They must never read Pushkin; they must never say clever things; they must never have sly eyes or wear their hair loose and wander around barefoot, or they will draw his attention!”
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“Koschei, Koschei,� she whispered. “What would I have been if I had never seen the birds? I am no one; I am nothing. I am a blank paper on which you and your magic wrote a girl. Just the kind of girl you wanted, all hungry and hurt and needing. A machine for loving you. Nothing in me was not made by you.”
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“She was not filled up with the sight of him, the way she had seen her sisters fill up, like silk balloons, like wineskins. Instead, he seemed to land heavily within her, like a black stone falling.”
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“When I say forever,' Koschei whispered, 'I mean until the black death of the world. An Ivan means just the present moment, the flickering light of it, in a green field, his mouth on yours. He means the stretching of that moment. But forever isn't bright; it isn't like that. Forever is cold and hard and final.”
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“Slowly, without taking his eyes from hers, the man in the black coat knelt before her. “I have come for the girl in the window,� he said, and his eyes filled with tears.”
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“Do you know, Masha, how revelation comes? Like death. So sudden, though you knew all along it must occur. A revelation is always the end of something. It might even be cause for grief.”
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“I am selfish. I am cruel. My mate cannot be less than I.”
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“It was at thirteen years old that Marya Morevna learned how to keep a secret, and that secrets are jealous things, permitting no fraternization.”
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“No, not like this, when I have not seen you without your skin on, when I know nothing, when I am not safe. Not you, whose name all my nightmares know.”
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“The man who knelt before her would have sprung from her needles, even down the ghostly flecks of silver in his hair. She had not known before that she wanted all these things, that she preferred dark hair and a slightly cruel expression, that she wishes for tallness, or that a man kneeling might thrill her.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“Husbands lie, Masha. I should know; I've eaten my share. That's lesson one. Lesson number two: among the topics about which a husband is most likely to lie are money, drink, black eyes, political affiliation, and women who squatted on his lap before and after your sweet self.”
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“After love, no one is what they were before.”
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“No one is now what they were before the war. There’s just no getting any of it back.”
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“I’ve a devil of a habit for being right.”
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“I savor bitterness--it is born of experience. It is the privilege of one who has truly lived. You, too, must learn to prefer it. After all, when all else is gone, you may still have bitterness in abundance.”
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“Marya Morevna, we are better at this than you are. We can hold two terrible ideas at once in our hearts. Never have your folk delighted us more, been more like family. For a devil, hypocrisy is a parlour game, like charades. Such fun, and when the evening is done we shall be holding our bellies to keep from dying of laughter.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“Histories are instruments of oppression.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“Punishment doesn't mean you aren't loved. On the contrary. You can only punish someone you love.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“Morality is more dependent on the state of one's stomach than of one's nation.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“it is better to be strong and cruel than to be fair. At least, one eats better that way. And morality is more dependent on the state of one's stomach than of one's nation”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“She had not known before that she wanted all these things, that she preferred dark hair and a slightly cruel expression, that she wished for tallness, or that a man kneeling might thrill her.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“If the world is divided into seeing and not seeing, Marya thought, I shall always choose to see.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“You can be innocent again. It's not true, what they say, that you can never get it back. You can. It's only that most folk cannot be bothered.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“Chyerti—that’s us, demons and devils, small and big—are compulsive. We obsess. It’s our nature. We turn on a track, around and around; we march in step; we act out the same tales, over and over, the same sets of motions, while time piles up like yarn under a wheel. We like patterns. They’re comforting. Sometimes little things change—a car instead of a house, a girl not named Yelena. But it’s no different, not really. Not ever.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“Yes," he growled, "yes, I will put you there and turn out the light in your eyes and come to stare at you for centuries, to pore over you, because you are mine, my treasure, my hoard, and I cannot keep you and I cannot let you go.”
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Catherynne M. Valente
“He'll burn you down like wax if you let him. You'll think it's love, while he dines on your heart. And maybe it will be. But he's so hungry, he'll eat you all in one sitting, and you'll be in his belly, and what will you do then?”
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Reading Progress

February 7, 2017 – Shelved
March 9, 2017 – Started Reading
March 10, 2017 –
30.0% "This book is reeeealy strange. Especially for someone with Russian roots like me. But it's kind of funny too. I guess sometimes we should challenge our boundaries with something 'uncomfortable' and look what comes out of it in the end."
March 10, 2017 –
50.0% "When insta-love happens twice in one book it's kind of not funny at all :/"
March 10, 2017 – Finished Reading

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Julia Yeaaaah, high five!
Joking aside, too bad it didn't work for you too! I was so indifferent that couldn't even come up with a review, so can't wait for yours ;)


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Liz Waiting for your review :)


Nastassja The review is done!

Seriously, I feel like I need something light and fluffy after this book, and preferably romantic to erase the whole садо-мазо thing from my memory :P


Chia agree! I think one reason I couldn't get this book out of my mind is because of all of the weirdness of it.


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OMG YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!
You said everything that I thought when I was reading this book.


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Vikas Messing with pre existing ideology is a thing that doesn't work most of the especially when it clashes with the characters... That r so well established... I hadn't read it... But the review was enough, I think.... :)


Julia Spot-on, Nastya!
Apart from the historical point ('cause I was kinda ok with Valente's perception), I completely agree, I had the same feeling after reading the book.
And the ending, daaamn. While I appreciate the imagination, it was surreal af.
Great review!


message 8: by Nouf *LostinFantasy* (last edited Mar 10, 2017 11:31PM) (new)

Nouf *LostinFantasy* Aw Nasta, you went from a DNF book to an uncomfortable one. :(
It makes sense that you would view the book with clearer or different eyes from someone who hasn't grown up knowing the history and folklore. But your review and thoughts were also interesting to read because of that!
The mess that you said were the characters and the romance though... You definitely do need a light read after this! Haha.

That character you mentioned being the inspiration for the Darkling - I have to look the name up now! I did not know this fascinating piece of trivia! ;p

Such a great review! :))


Lily-Rose Amen! Ive been waiting for you to review this for ages and man was I not disappointed, everything you said was 110% so accurate? Like hands down fantastic


Nastassja Chia wrote: "agree! I think one reason I couldn't get this book out of my mind is because of all of the weirdness of it."

This book is definitely memorable because of its weirdness :P


Nastassja Penélope wrote: "OMG YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!
You said everything that I thought when I was reading this book."


Ahaha, good to know I was not the only one who felt WTF it was in the end.


message 12: by Nastassja (last edited Mar 11, 2017 02:47AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Nastassja Vikas wrote: "Messing with pre existing ideology is a thing that doesn't work most of the especially when it clashes with the characters... That r so well established... I hadn't read it... But the review was en..."

Exactly! I wouldn't say better. Some things are better left alone.


Nastassja Julia wrote: "Spot-on, Nastya!
Apart from the historical point ('cause I was kinda ok with Valente's perception), I completely agree, I had the same feeling after reading the book.
And the ending, daaamn. While ..."


Thanks, Yulya, I don't really know what'd I do if I didn't have you to discuss this book during and after I read it. Thank you, dear, for the moral support <3 Oh jeez, the ending is so confusing, I still don't get what was that, I only got that it was kind of an open ending.


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Nastassja Nouf *LostinFantasy* wrote: "Aw Nasta, you went from a DNF book to an uncomfortable one. :(
It makes sense that you would view the book with clearer or different eyes from someone who hasn't grown up knowing the history and fo..."


Ahaha, I was actually hoping this one would turn out fine, but yeah, in the end I kind of ended up worse than I started with the previous book :P

Yeah, I understand that my upbringing was one of the reasons I couldn't enjoy the book, plus with this review I hope that whoever reads it will keep in mind that, though, the author's vision on Russian history and culture is curious, it's not necessarily the true one. Ahaha, definitely I need something light. I started one historical romance I had on my reader, but I think I need to reread russian fairy-tales to remind myself that the whole BDSM thing is not really true :P

Well, Koschei the Deathless in fairy-tales looks like this
or this

In this book he looks like this

Ahaha, you can see why it was had for me to match these images. Besides, in this book he wasn't that fascinating but some of his qualities Darkling def inherited. The good ones, thank god! :D

Thank you!


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Nastassja Lily-Rose wrote: "Amen! Ive been waiting for you to review this for ages and man was I not disappointed, everything you said was 110% so accurate? Like hands down fantastic"

Thank you, Lily-Rose <3 I am glad there's more people who find this book really weird and the whole BDSM stuff *shudders* I remember your review and now after finishing the book I see how spot on it was! Really, if only the book stayed sane in the second half, we'd have an absolutely different outcome.


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Liz True! Great, very diplomatic review, dear! :) <3 You manage to stay kind in it :D


Nastassja Liz wrote: "True! Great, very diplomatic review, dear! :) <3 You manage to stay kind in it :D"

Ahaha, thanks, I kind of feel kind towards anything half decent about Russia after the nightmares like crown's game or bronze horseman and such :P


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Liz Nastassja wrote: "Liz wrote: "True! Great, very diplomatic review, dear! :)

Ahaha, thanks, I kind of feel kind towards anything half decent about Russia after the nightmares like crown's game or bronze horseman an..."


I haven't read Crown's game and read the Bronze Horseman like...7 years ago?! So I don't remember that at all, to be frank. What was the issue there again?
But no, I cannot make myself go kind on something that deliberately chooses to deal with another nation's history. Like, either do it properly or not at all. Я максималистка в этом плане))) :D
I am glad that you are diplomatic though :)


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Nastassja Liz wrote: "Nastassja wrote: "Liz wrote: "True! Great, very diplomatic review, dear! :)

Ahaha, thanks, I kind of feel kind towards anything half decent about Russia after the nightmares like crown's game or ..."


Oh, Bronze Horseman is just genius! During the Siege of Leningrad people ate chicken instead of pork, this is how hunger was shown, and drunk it all down with vodka, of course. Plus the brave American youth saved everyone from stupid Russians. And it's just a bit of what was there :P

Probably that's why Valente seemed a big step forward compared to atrocity the bronze horseman was, and I couldn't find it in me to scold her a lot. But so far the best author writing about Russia for me is Katherine Arden with her the bear and the nightingale. Let's hope she stays the best! :D


Lenna • Sugar Dusted Pages Great review! Do you have any suggestions for books based on Russian folklore? I just read Vassa in the Night and am currently reading The Bear and the Nightingale.


Nouf *LostinFantasy* Nastassja wrote: "I think I need to reread russian fairy-tales to remind myself that the whole BDSM thing is not really true :P
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Ahaha! This made me laugh! No moving on until you set the image right again in your head.

And ohh wait I looked up the original fairytale instead - I thought that's the version Bardugo took after. Then I thought wait this isn't the Darkling, this is Voldemort! xp
And that second pic you posted, such a contrast from the last one! Haha. Oh definitely good thing the worst qualities weren't included - which says a lot about this version that only his "good" qualities shaped The Grisha's villain (or anti hero!). :p


Nastassja Lenna � Sugar Dusted Pages wrote: "Great review! Do you have any suggestions for books based on Russian folklore? I just read Vassa in the Night and am currently reading The Bear and the Nightingale."

Oh dear, The bear and the nightingale so far the best Russian based book I've read. I can advice Uprooted, it's slavic based and one of my fav :D


Nastassja Nouf *LostinFantasy* wrote: "Nastassja wrote: "I think I need to reread russian fairy-tales to remind myself that the whole BDSM thing is not really true :P
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Ahaha! This made me laugh! No moving on until you set the image ri..."


Ahahaha, Voldermort would be closer I guess. But yeah, Koschei is canonic villain in Russian fairy tales, and Ivan is usually the hero who saves the girl, but manages to be killed in the process and brought back to life with dead water and then he goes to try and save the girl again. Well, at least it's one of the many scenarios :D I think Darkling is way deeper than this book's Koschei. Darkling has principles, he has a purpose and no matter how bad he acts, all he ever wanted is to save his people, hence his dubious methods. This Koschei is all about his own pleasure and greed, not a very admiring type :P


Nastassja Emer wrote: "sounds like you might need this little guy for your next read....
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Ahaha, he'll do as long as he doesn't overdo with the rainbow stuff, because I just read the book and it was too sugary to my taste i might need something sour to eat it up. Hmm, maybe pickles mixed with rainbow man will do.. xD


Nastassja Emer wrote: "Hmm this sounds like the book for you: Fickle Fickle Melinda McPickle :P HeeHee!!!"

Oh look, it was actually written about me! Yay, I am famous xD


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Madeleine So how does one go about writing a book about a culture not their own without being offensive?


Nastassja Madeleine wrote: "So how does one go about writing a book about a culture not their own without being offensive?"

Proper research and communication with natives.


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Mayim de Vries You have no idea how relieved I am to find another 2-star fellow among this milky way of reviews (even though, admittedly, part of my family was on the receiving end of the Red Army business and so I have a distinctively different approach to historical aspects of it). I agree with the rest though.


Nastassja Mayim wrote: "You have no idea how relieved I am to find another 2-star fellow among this milky way of reviews (even though, admittedly, part of my family was on the receiving end of the Red Army business and so..."

I still have a kind of bad aftertaste from this book. I don’t get the excitement around this book.


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