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American Gods by Neil Gaiman
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bookshelves: 2020-reads, 2011-reads, hugo-nebula-nominees-and-winners, locus-winner
Read 2 times. Last read May 23, 2020 to May 24, 2020.

Interesting. It appears that this book that I reviewed back around 2011 was deleted off my shelf and readded in 2017 - but definitely not by me. What makes me furious is that it erased the entire long comment thread for this review.

Conversations with friends are NOT replaceable.

But at least it prompted me to start the long-overdue re-read.

—ĔĔĔĔĔĔĔ�
2020 re-reading:

This book is long and epic. It slowly meanders through strange places and events, with nothing coming together to form a coherent picture for a while, almost frustratingly so � until the last quarter of the story where everything crashes together with a vengeance, and the whole emerges from the pieces, and everything falls into place and makes you see that it was all worth it to finally get here.
“What I'm trying to say is that America is like that. It's not good growing country for gods. They don't grow well here. They're like avocados trying to grow in wild rice country.�
What strikes me now is that I completely forgot how strangely detached Gaiman’s narration is in this book. It adds a subtle layer of unreality - like it’s almost a strange dream where you start to realize you’re dreaming and decide to just roll with the punches because you can’t wake up. Shadow � our eyes into this world � is so strangely even-keeled and unperturbed by anything around him; it’s like he is trudging through a fog. It’s like he’s not wholly there, like he’s detached from this world, like he is like his name � just a shadow. And that’s of course deliberate:
“You're not dead," she said. "But I'm not sure that you're alive, either. Not really […] It's like there isn't anyone there. You know? You're like this big, solid, man-shaped hole in the world.�
And it’s in the end, in the last quarter, when this detachment finally cracks � and the book springs to life.
Well-done.

Frustrating in places, yes � but trust this story, roll with its punches and let it take you where it wants to take you � because ultimately it knows exactly where it’s going, and it is so worth it.
“You know,� he said, “I think I would rather be a man than a god. We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.�

—ĔĔĔĔĔĔĔ�

Old review from 2011:

Neil Gaiman must have British gonads of titanium to write a huge sprawling epic story about the nature of American belief. It's a gamble that worked perfectly - since, as he said, "Nobody's American [...] Not originally. That's my point." ¹
¹ Well, except Native Americans, of course.

"It's a god-eat-god world." This quote by Sir Terry Pratchett, another amazing British writer, perfectly summarizes the surface plot of the intimidating bulk of American Gods.
"It's what people do. They believe, and then they do not take responsibility for their beliefs; they conjure things, and do not trust the conjuration. People populate the darkness; with ghosts, with gods, with electrons, with tales. People imagine, and people believe; and it is that rock solid belief, that makes things happen. "

American Gods is Gaiman's ode to America, the land which has become a melting pot to more than just people. It also took in the beliefs they willingly or not brought with them to the New World, embraced them, changed them, allowed some to flourish and others to nearly wither away. It pitted the old gods not only against each other in the endless battle for survival, but also against the new deities of consumerism and technology for the precious belief that keeps them going. To quote Sir Pratchett again, "You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?".
"Gods die. And when they truly die they are unmourned and unremembered. Ideas are more difficult to kill than people, but they can be killed, in the end."


But the squabble among the old and new gods is just the surface. The heart of Gaiman's novel lies in portrayal - through seemingly unconnected interludes and sketches - of the people who brought the legends to this land, brought them among blood and loss and sorrow and heartbreak, of the people now who live in the this patchwork country that made a whole out of many little bits, of their origins and pasts, and of the soul of present-day America, the glue that holds it together.
"There was a girl, and her uncle sold her. Put like that it seems so simple."
And to top it all off, we are treated to the portrait of a seemingly idyllic, very Stephen King-esque small American town of Lakeside, hiding its own dark deep secret. Lakeside, the quintessential American small town, the stuff of legends, as one may say. Terrifying legends, indeed.

Don't be fooled into thinking the ex-con Shadow working for a mysterious Mr. Wednesday (whose real identity is not that hard to spot almost immediately) is the protagonist. No, Shadow feels flat and underdeveloped simply because he is just our binoculars into the vast landscape of American mythology, this world of belief and legends.
"What should I believe? thought Shadow, and the voice came back to him from somewhere deep beneath the world, in a bass rumble: Believe everything."
The imagery that Gaiman creates is stunning. He paints a vivid picture with confident brush strokes, creating an unforgettable literary landscape. And he takes a gamble with the storyline and the plotting as well. Do not look for exciting battles and confrontations, for non-stop action or fast-moving plot. This is the book unfolding slowly and finding its depth in the side stories and interludes that are there not to move the plot forward in the traditional sense but to give an extra glimpse, an extra dimension to the unfolding epic picture.

Love it for the unforgettable, fascinating and fully immersive experience. Mr. Gaiman, if you want a title of an honorary American, well - here it is.
"What I say is, a town isn't a town without a bookstore. It may call itself a town, but unless it's got a bookstore it knows it's not fooling a soul."

—ĔĔĔĔ�

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“What I say is, a town isn’t a town without a bookstore. It may call itself a town, but unless it’s got a bookstore, it knows it’s not foolin� a soul.”
Neil Gaiman, American Gods


Reading Progress

December 13, 2011 – Started Reading
December 13, 2011 –
0.0% "Re-reading :)"
December 13, 2011 –
page 20
2.97%
December 14, 2011 –
page 100
14.84% "I can't believe how much of it I forgot since I first read it about 9-10 years ago. Memory is the first thing to go, huh?"
December 25, 2011 –
page 300
44.51%
December 26, 2011 – Finished Reading
February 23, 2017 – Shelved
May 23, 2020 – Started Reading
May 24, 2020 –
30.0% "I forgot how strangely detached Gaiman’s narration is in this book. It adds a subtle layer of unreality - like it’s almost a strange dream where you start to realize you’re dreaming and decide to just roll with the punches because you can’t wake up. Shadow is way to even-keeled for everything that’s happening. It’s like he is trudging through a fog."
May 24, 2020 –
63.0% "“You're not dead," she said. "But I'm not sure that you're alive, either. Not really […] It's like there isn't anyone there. You know? You're like this big, solid, man-shaped hole in the world.�

Which explains Shadow’s detachment from the world, really."
May 24, 2020 –
87.0% "“What I'm trying to say is that America is like that. It's not good growing country for gods. They don't grow well here. They're like avocados trying to grow in wild rice country.�"
May 24, 2020 –
91.0% "“You know," he said, "I think I would rather be a man than a god. We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.�"
May 24, 2020 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Ahmed (new) - added it

Ahmed Thanks for a really great review.


Cecily Brilliant, Nataliya. I'm glad you mentioned Lakeside (not many reviewers do). I thought that had more character than many of... the characters.


message 3: by Marta (last edited May 23, 2020 04:15PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Marta Great review! I need to re-read this, too! Love the Pratchett quote.


Nataliya Marta wrote: "Great review! I need to re-read this, too! Love the Pratchett quote."

Thanks, Marta! I am pretty sure that there’s always an appropriate Pratchett quote for most things in life :)


carol. Definitely not the 2011 cover.


message 6: by Nataliya (last edited May 23, 2020 05:22PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nataliya carol. wrote: "Definitely not the 2011 cover."

Definitely not. Now I updated it.

The shenanigans with the disappeared and reappeared review make me thankful for backups. But now I really wonder if there are more of my books that disappeared and never reappeared?
I was basically off GR in 2017, so I don’t know if there were major issues with book or review deletions then.


Marta Nataliya wrote: "Marta wrote: "Great review! I need to re-read this, too! Love the Pratchett quote."

Thanks, Marta! I am pretty sure that there’s always an appropriate Pratchett quote for most things in life :)"

I know! I can always find one!


Nataliya Marta wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "Marta wrote: "Great review! I need to re-read this, too! Love the Pratchett quote."

Thanks, Marta! I am pretty sure that there’s always an appropriate Pratchett quote for most thi..."


Always happy to find another Pratchett fan!


carol. Nataliya wrote: "The shenanigans with the disappeared and reappeared review make me thankful for backups. But now I really wonder i..."

It is strange, and I wonder what it was about. I was never active in the librarians, only joined to fix things when I ran across them.


Nataliya carol. wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "The shenanigans with the disappeared and reappeared review make me thankful for backups. But now I really wonder i..."

It is strange, and I wonder what it was about. I was never a..."


Same here. I only joined librarians to do an occasional fix here and there. Oh well, I will just assume a strange system glitch - that makes me less annoyed than that it was in any way someone’s deliberate action.


carol. To me, what all this adding and deleting calls into question is both the professionalism and the system that allows it, so it's easy to start wondering what else has gone on.


Marta Nataliya wrote: "Always happy to find another Pratchett fan!�
Pleased to meet you!

“Stories of imagination tend to upset those without one.� :)


Nataliya Marta wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "Always happy to find another Pratchett fan!�
Pleased to meet you!

“Stories of imagination tend to upset those without one.� :)"



One of my favorites:
“Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness.�


Marta Nataliya wrote: "Marta wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "Always happy to find another Pratchett fan!�
Pleased to meet you!

“Stories of imagination tend to upset those without one.� :)"


One of my favorites:
“Sometimes i..."

Oh yes, I love that one. My favorite is: “Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.�


Nataliya I love that one as well! Pratchett is just insanely quotable. I still can’t believe he’s dead, and it’s been years.


Marta Nataliya wrote: "I love that one as well! Pratchett is just insanely quotable. I still can’t believe he’s dead, and it’s been years."
I know. I still get sad thinking about him. And yes, I love to quote him! Such wit.


Nataliya Marta wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "I love that one as well! Pratchett is just insanely quotable. I still can’t believe he’s dead, and it’s been years."
I know. I still get sad thinking about him. And yes, I love to ..."


With all this talk about Sir Terry, I guess I’m due for my annual Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch and Thud! and perhaps also Hogfather re-read.

When I read ‘Good Omens�, I always try to figure out which contributions were more Pratchett’s and which ones Gaiman’s.


Marta Nataliya wrote: "When I read ‘Good Omens�, I always try to figure out which contributions were more Pratchett’s and which ones Gaiman’s."
Me too! That’s so funny! There was an interview with Gaiman at the back of my edition and he sais that after a while they could not really tell, either, but the witches and the kids were Terry, and the horsemen were Gaiman. I was absolutely sure that the maggots were Gaiman and the witches were Pratchett, but the rest.,. who knows?

Have you seen the mini-series? Absolutely brilliant. They so nailed Crawley and Aziraphael.

I am re-reading Hogfather now...


Nataliya Gaiman would definitely be responsible for the maggots part! Agnes Nutter is most definitely Pratchett. I think I read somewhere that Pratchett ended up doing like 60-70% of it and Gaiman did a bit less because he was heavily involved in another project at the time.

The mini-series was excellent, it’s my comfort watch. I love both Crowley and Aziraphale; David Tennant absolutely nailed the part of Crowley. I also now own a Good Omens coffee mug and two t-shirts. Gaiman did an amazing job adapting to story to the screen. I loved little scattered Pratchett references - Pratchett’s hat in the bookshop, Pratchett’s name as a top score in the trivia game Death plays.


Marta Nataliya wrote: "Gaiman would definitely be responsible for the maggots part! Agnes Nutter is most definitely Pratchett. I think I read somewhere that Pratchett ended up doing like 60-70% of it and Gaiman did a bit..."
Oh no, I did not catch the Pratchett references! Now I have to rewatch! Yes, Tennant is brilliant, and Michael Sheen is the perfect complement. The chemistry is off the charts. Loved it.


Nataliya Marta wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "Gaiman would definitely be responsible for the maggots part! Agnes Nutter is most definitely Pratchett. I think I read somewhere that Pratchett ended up doing like 60-70% of it and..."

I think it’s episode 2 in Aziraphale’s bookshop where we see Pratchett’s hat. Episode 5 in the cafe when the Horsemen father and Death is playing the game, look at the top scores - all are ‘Death� except for the highest one, which is T.Pratchett.

I’m glad you have the reason to rewatch the series!


Marta Now I definitely have to watch... thanks for the clues!


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ I was recently sent a big annotated edition of this book by a publicist, so I guess I’ll be giving it another shot one of these days.


Nataliya Tadiana ✩Night Owl� wrote: "I was recently sent a big annotated edition of this book by a publicist, so I guess I’ll be giving it another shot one of these days."

Haha, I read your review and the man-eating vagina was a deal-breaker for you! Yeah, Gaiman definitely manages to include a fair share of cringeworthy moments in this book. I confess - I skipped that bit on this reread, it’s too much for me now. I was tougher a decade ago!

This book is long and slow-paced, but it just has that certain “something� for me, something that keeps me hooked even when I’m busy cringing.


Tom LA Yes, ŷ has one job (keeping reviews and threads saved in the right places) and they've never done it well! I hope they'll improve.


Nataliya Tom LA wrote: "Yes, ŷ has one job (keeping reviews and threads saved in the right places) and they've never done it well! I hope they'll improve."

One can only hope...


Kimberly Definitely hope goodreads improves... apologies you lost your original review. I always enjoy reading yours because they are so entertaining!


message 28: by Nataliya (last edited May 25, 2020 10:41AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nataliya Kim wrote: "Definitely hope goodreads improves... apologies you lost your original review. I always enjoy reading yours because they are so entertaining!"

Thanks, Kim. I really enjoy writing them.

The thing that’s strange is that the review was there (stating under ‘My Books� that it was added in 2017, 6 years after it has been first published here � and stripped of ‘likes� (replaceable and superficial) and of a very long comment thread from years prior (not replaceable). Like it was erased and then readded, which I did not do. I only realized it because I was backing up my reviews just in case.


Elizabeth A breathtaking review, Nataliya! I didn't love this one because in my case I disliked how "detached" the narration was, as you put it. Your insight feels spot on, but Shadow ended up rubbing me the wrong way. I felt like I never got to know him, though this definitely feels intentional on Gaiman's part. Nevertheless, American Gods feels so original and Gaiman-esque that I'm still glad I read this one, and I'm glad that you've revived this review + a new comment thread!!


Nataliya Elizabeth wrote: "A breathtaking review, Nataliya! I didn't love this one because in my case I disliked how "detached" the narration was, as you put it. Your insight feels spot on, but Shadow ended up rubbing me the..."

Thanks, Elizabeth! You know, it was the third time I read this book, and each time I end up put off by Shadow’s aloofness and start questioning my love for the book (except for the interludes with the immigrant stories - those have always felt so full of heart and soul and at times despair) � but every time right when I get to the part with the World Tree it all snaps into such focus for me that I can’t help but love it. Shadow shrugging off his indifference and coming to life just does it for me each time. Gaiman took a huge risk with portraying Shadow this way, making it is so hard initially to connect with him � I still can’t fully decide if it’s the best approach because by the time there’s payoff many readers have been put off enjoying the story.

Also, the man-eating vagina in the very beginning � I think that ended up being a huge deterrent for many. I’m glad I persevered past that part.


message 31: by Dida (new) - rated it 4 stars

Dida I absolutely loved this book, it came along at just the right time for me, for JUST what I was looking for. I'd put it on the same shelf as some Ultimate Urban Fantasies (DeLint, Windling etc), back before Urban Fantasy REALLY started being interchangeable with Paranormal Romance much to my annoyance ( which is another topic for another time). Shadow's very aloofness worked well for me, being so disconnected means he was far less irritating and hard to read about as some other stronger willed/voiced characters. I too thought the World Tree scene was when Shadow, perhaps for the first time in his life came...well to life!


Magdelanye Love thisbook and enjoyed both of your reviews.Now what is it when books disappear from your shelves? Or when you see that someone is reading a book you loved and there is no indication that youve read it? And it seems all the reviews i posted fron the library in Powell River are not there. Gremlins in the works?


Nataliya Magdelanye wrote: "Love thisbook and enjoyed both of your reviews.Now what is it when books disappear from your shelves? Or when you see that someone is reading a book you loved and there is no indication that youve ..."

Thanks, Magdelanye.
It’s gotta be gremlins! Otherwise what possible explanation can there be?


Nataliya Dida wrote: "I absolutely loved this book, it came along at just the right time for me, for JUST what I was looking for. I'd put it on the same shelf as some Ultimate Urban Fantasies (DeLint, Windling etc), bac..."

You are so right about the Urban Fantasy and Paranormal Romance becoming interchangeable! They can overlap, but they aren’t and shouldn’t be the same thing.
With Shadow, I was getting irritated thinking that no person would react this way, surely � and then it hit me that it was completely deliberately done, and all my irritation just dissolved.


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