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The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin
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"And all this is happening in the richest and freest country in the world, and in the middle of the 20th century. The subtle and deadly change of heart that might occur and you would be involved with the realization that a civilization is not destroyed by wicked people; it is not necessary that people be wicked but only that they be spineless."

Baldwin considers this, after he and two friends in their thirties were refused service at a busy bar in O'Hare Airport 'because they were too young.' The Fire Next Time remains sadly pertinent, despite publication in 1962. The first section, titled 'My Dungeon Shook: Letter to My Nephew on the One Hundredth Anniversary of the Emancipation,' muses on society and exhorts his nephew to meet it with dignity and love. The second section, 'Down at the Cross: Letter from a Region in My Mind' begins like a memoir, develops into political analysis and ends with a sermon. It is devastatingly brilliant, and near the end I found myself highlighting quotes nearly every page. But I'm clearly not the only one who has read his work: one of the oddest aspects for me is that I have read both writers and poets who were influenced by him, as I heard their echoes in his writing.

"How can one, however, dream of power in any other terms then in the symbols of power?" ~ Baldwin, bringing immediately to mind Audre Lorde: "The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house."

'Down at the Cross' begins from adolescent years, when James was fourteen and underwent "a prolonged religious crisis." It was a fascinating recounting, giving the feel of Harlem of a particular time, and looked at how religion became the way he coped with the perils of growing up, and yet how, in many ways, it was no less controlling or harmful to the soul than "the whores or the pimps or the racketeers on the Avenue." For a short time he was known at the boy preacher and while it gave him some freedom from his father, his faith was only an infirm illusion.

"I date it � the slow crumbling of my faith, the pulverization of my fortress- from the time, about a year after I had begun to preach, when I began to read again. I justified this desire by the fact that I was still in school, and I began, fatally, with Dostoevski."

I loved that words and writing were his real salvation. He muses more on the role of the church and his breaking with religious faith before seguing to a meeting with Elijah Muhammad, recalling me to The Autobiography of Malcolm X. Baldwin was clearly uncomfortable, confronting his own echoes of churchgoing, but felt the limitations of the Nation of Islam were no better than those of Christianity, ie. a failure to dream of something outside the paradigm. He noted that the young follower who drove him to his next appointment in an expensive car that the Nation was still conceiving of power in the same terms that white people defined it, and in owning land of their own.

"He was held together, in short, by a dream-- though it is just as well to remember that some dreams come true-- and was united with his 'brothers' on the basis of their color. Perhaps one cannot ask for more. People always seem to band together in accordance to a principle that has nothing to do with love, a principle that releases them from personal responsibility."

He then spirals off into the musing on human nature, the relationship between blacks and whites, and linking them both to the spiritual as well as the political. It's an extraordinary achievement, the way one thought leads to the next, and the next, and suddenly you've run into a philosophical truth that touches the soul. The truth I recognized:

"It seems to me that one ought to rejoice in the fact of death-ought to decide, indeed, to earn one's death by confronting with passion the conundrum of life. One is responsible to life: It is the small beacon in that terrifying darkness from which we come and to which we shall return. One must negotiate this passage is nobly as possible, for the sake of those who are coming after us... It is the responsibility of free men to trust and to celebrate what is constant--birth, struggle, and death are constant, and so is love, though we may not always think so--and to apprehend the nature of change, to be able and willing to change. I speak of change not on the surface but in the depths--change in the sense of renewal. But renewal becomes impossible if one supposes things to be constant that are not--safety, for example, or money, or power. One clings then to chimeras, by which one can only be betrayal and the entire home--the entire possibility--of freedom disappears."

Somehow, I've never read James Baldwin. Despite a rather liberal high school, we still read far too many of the 'classics' (and I, for one, will never read Dickens again). College was Women's Studies when I ventured outside the sciences, a reading list universally written by women. My free time, fun time reading just never ran into Baldwin, perhaps because I stay away from lit-fic like the plague. Now that I am finally class-free (on more than one level, *snort), I find myself gravitating towards the occasional non-fiction. What I discovered is that Baldwin writes lyrical, exacting prose, clear, and yet somehow poetic, with a belief in love and in dreaming better. I loved immersing myself in his writing. I rather wish I was in a classroom of people with whom I could wrestle with these ideas.
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Reading Progress

June 20, 2017 – Started Reading
June 20, 2017 – Shelved
August 5, 2017 –
page 34
32.08% "I date it � the slow crumbling of my faith, the pulverization of my fortress- from the time, about a year after I had begun to preach, when I began to read again. I justified this desire by the fact that I was still in school, and I began, fatally, with Dostoevski."
August 5, 2017 –
page 55
51.89% "And all this is happening in the richest and freest country in the world, and in the middle of the 20th century. The subtle and deadly change of heart that might occur and you would be involved with the realization that a civilization is not destroyed by wicked people; it is not necessary that people play wicked but only that they be spineless."
August 6, 2017 –
page 80
75.47% "How can one, however, dream of power in any other terms then in the symbols of power?"
August 6, 2017 –
page 80
75.47% "He was held together, in short, by a dream-- though it is just as well to remember that some dreams come true-- and was united with his 'brothers' on the basis of their color. Perhaps one cannot ask for more. People always seem to band together in accordance to a principle that has nothing to do with love, a principle that releases them from personal responsibility."
August 6, 2017 –
page 86
81.13% "It is rare indeed that people give. Most people guard and keep; they suppose that it is they themselves and what they identify with themselves that they are guarding and keeping, whereas what they are actually guarding and keeping is their system of reality and what they assume themselves to be. One can give nothing whatever without giving oneself-that is to say, risking oneself."
August 6, 2017 –
page 88
83.02% "There are too many things we do not wish to know about ourselves. People are not, for example, terribly anxious to be equal (equal, after all, to what and to whom?) but they love the idea of being superior. And this human truth has an especially grounding force here, where iidentity is almost impossible to achieve and people are perpetually attempting to find their feet on the shifting sands of status."
August 6, 2017 –
page 89
83.96% "we are controlled here by our confusion, far more than we know…Privately, we cannot stand our lives and dare not examine them; domestically, we take no responsibility for(and no pride in) what goes on in our country; and, internationally, for many millions of people, we are an unmitigated disaster."
August 6, 2017 –
page 90
84.91% "Time and time and time again, the people discover that they have merely betrayed themselves into the hands of yet another Pharaoh, who, since he was necessary to put the broken country together, will not let them go. Perhaps, people being the conundrums that they are, and having so little desire to shoulder the burden of their lives, this is what will always happen."
August 6, 2017 –
page 91
85.85% "It seems to me that one ought to rejoice in the fact of death-ought to decide, indeed, to earn one's death by confronting with passion the conundrum of life. One is responsible to life� One must negotiate this passage is nobly as possible, for the sake of those who are coming after us."
August 6, 2017 –
page 92
86.79% "It is the responsibility of free men to trust and to celebrate what is constant--birth, struggle, and death are constant, and so is love, though we may not always think so--and to apprehend the nature of change, to be able and willing to change. I speak of change not on the surface but in the depths-change in the sense of renewal."
August 6, 2017 – Finished Reading

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Em Lost In Books a "WOW" review. :D


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Caro the Helmet Lady Splendid review, Carol!


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Jokoloyo This review made me to consider reading James Baldwin. Thank you very much for the review, Carol!


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James Seconding Jokoloyo; just added this to my to-read's on the strength of your review, which I really love for its structuring of some v well-chosen, and also damn powerful, book excerpts in between your insights. This also sounds like it'd belong on one of the current subjects I'm doing now: Reading Contemporary America, which I picked just because we're reading The Sellout, and also watching The Wire. Fun times.


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Melora Wonderful review!


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Choko Awesome review!


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carol. James wrote: "Reading Contemporary America, which I picked just because we're reading The Sellout, and also watching The Wire. Fun times."

Sounds interesting! Technically, he probably isn't 'contemporary'--there's reference to politics with Russia (!) and Spain/Cuba--but I think he was seminal in a line of thinkers and artists. I think Ta-Neshi Coates' recent book likely has a connection to his "Letter to My Nephew." There was so much to go into in this work but I didn't want my review to be a tl;dr!


carol. Thank you, everyone!


Beth Great review, Carol. Count me as another that has added this book to their TBR thanks to you.

The quotes are really good and point out a couple of things that still pervade our culture: a focus on youth, refusing to acknowledge the changes that come of aging; and consumerism/capitalism/conspicuous consumption.


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Pearl Carol, this is a really great review! I gotta get to Baldwin soon, this solidified it. Thanks!


carol. Interesting, Beth. The quotes are all from the longer essay, and I didn't note any focus on an aging issue--written in 1962, perhaps it wasn't as much of a focus. What is interesting to me is how he ties it all to spiritual development, that freedom is not easy, that it is a struggle and a worthwhile one. I did see a lot of focus on rejecting the trappings of power; ie. conspicious consumption as basically a way of buying into white culture, which he rejects on a number of levels, as it isn't free, as the white culture is devoid of a spiritualism already present in black culture, and that it represents chasing after trappings of the old powers.


carol. Pearl wrote: "Carol, this is a really great review! I gotta get to Baldwin soon, this solidified it. Thanks!"

Thanks, Pearl. I agree--I have to get to more of his non-fiction :)


MrsJoseph *grouchy* Lovely review, Carol.. I haven't read any Baldwin since college - and forced reading never feels quite a good as unforced. I do wonder how I'd fare with him (and a few others!) now.


Monica Carol. said: I rather wish I was in a classroom of people with whom I could wrestle with these ideas.

Let's go!! I've wrestled with much less intellectual heft than the likes of you! I'm not sure I can take you, but it'd be a fun match! ;-) Great review!!


carol. Thank you, Mrs.J and Monica. I think this is one of those works that it would be most fascinating to read in literary context. Like I noted above, I thought I detected Lorde, and I think even Lawrence Ferlinghetti and possibly Adrienne Rich, though I'm not sure.
There were also some historical events Baldwin mentioned (something about Spain?) and I think I could get even more going chapter by chapter with someone who really knew more about lit crit and the time period. Not to say you ladies wouldn't. But you know. I feel like I'm missing some of the context. Having read Malcolm X's bio recently kind of helped with the Harlem scene.


message 16: by Monica (last edited Aug 09, 2017 12:03PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Monica Well we have to have guidelines for this wrestling match. I battle ideas not literary merit or critique. A literary battle is waaayy out of my intellectual weight class. I yield...


MrsJoseph *grouchy* Carol. wrote: "Thank you, Mrs.J and Monica. I think this is one of those works that it would be most fascinating to read in literary context. Like I noted above, I thought I detected Lorde, and I think even Lawre..."

There's also this detailed book on the history of Jazz - I'm trying to remember it - thats great for setting the Harlem scene.

I still have a LitCrit book hanging around but I admit to having argued quite a lot during those classes. But it's old(er). And I have a couple of my Norton's still hanging around. The one for AALit has all of that detail I emailed you about (long time ago!).


carol. Monica wrote: "Well we have to have guidelines for this wrestling match. I battle ideas not literary merit or critique. A literary battle is waaayy out of my intellectual weight class. I yield..."

I'm not really a battle kind of type anyway :)


carol. MrsJoseph wrote: "I still have a LitCrit book hanging around but I admit to having argued quite a lot during those classes. But it's old(er). And I have a couple of my Norton's still hanging around. The one for AALit has all of that detail I emailed you about (long time ago!). "

oh yes! Thanks for the reminder of that great resource.


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Sharon Wonderful review, Carol. And you've made me think twice about "David Copperfield" sitting in my queue.


carol. Ugh, Dickens. Never such a reading mismatch between style and reader, but if you enjoy it, certainly go for it.

So much almost-contemporary I missed out on. I hit more of the women contemps bc of feminist studies, but even a few of those I'd like to look at again (Angela Carter, Audre Lorde).


Radiantflux just finished this. very powerful book.


carol. Isn't it?!?


PinkieBrown Yes I wish for that group of people with which to discuss these works; synchronising reading is nigh on impossible I find. 😀 here I am joining a 7 month old conversation!
I found myself arguing with Baldwin instead😀. Not disagreeably because I agree with what I think is his major achievement, which is to have found himself against all the forces ranged against him to tell him who he was. Society isn’t shaped to allow individual expression for anyone and I watched a film where Baldwin describes turning his back on society to write and so risking his life to do so.


carol. No worries; I'm often up for a much delayed discussion :)

He's an interesting person and writer, because he writes/speaks with such a humanist flavor. The interviews I'm reading now, he speaks about how blacks and whites in America are inexorably linked, and there is no America without both, so the solution to the racial divide can't lie in ultimate division. As contrasted with Malcolm X, i think.


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William The fire next time. Coming soon, it seems. 😥

Thank you for the review.


carol. It's so good, William. I got it on Audible as well, possible free/cheap.


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T Coffee Fiend What a master of thought and language he was.


carol. Yes. Truly exquisite.


Alexander Peterhans Read it a couple of months ago, it blew me away.

Still have to find a moment to read more of his work.


Jonathan O'Neill Fantastic review Carol! Was great to read this immediately after finishing the book, I think you summed it up superbly!


carol. Jonathan, thank you so much! It was a very moving and thoughtful book. I now can see what Ta Nehisi Coates was doing with his book, Between the World and Me.


Jonathan O'Neill carol. wrote: "Jonathan, thank you so much! It was a very moving and thoughtful book. I now can see what Ta Nehisi Coates was doing with his book, Between the World and Me."

It's right next to this one on my shelf. I look forward to reading it shortly. Or maybe I don't. I have a feeling that Coates' experience will mirror Baldwin's somewhat and that the "progress" made over time may become harder and harder to recognise.


carol. I re-read some of my quotes. I feel like I might need to re-read this. Baldwin struggles more with the God issue than Coates, but otherwise, it feels strangely similar, although perhaps with a stronger threat of gun violence? Coates is intellectually insightful, but something about Baldwin can really sing to the soul.


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Wick Welker Great review. Thank you. What a life changing book.


carol. Thanks, Wick. It is really powerful, isn't it?


Barbara K Yet another beautiful review confirming my decision to read this book in February. Do you recommend the Audible version, carol.?


carol. I have the audible, but tbh, I'm not a very good listener. I think the reader is good, but I started to slide into sleepiness. :) For me, reading was better, but your mileage may vary.


Barbara K Thanks, carol. I was able to get the ebook from the library, so I will start there.


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