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When Nietzsche Wept by Irvin D. Yalom
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it was ok
bookshelves: 20th-century, fantasy, fiction

Reading this and looking at some of the other titles Yalom has published the suspicion grew that he might like to write a series of adventures about an enigmatic doctor who travels through time and space solving complex mysteries. Of course ideally this doctor would need some kind of charming but hapless companion, in this case the young Freud whose suggestions nearly lead Dr. Breuer into disaster but who eventually turns good thanks to his handy use of a watch to hypnotise the good Doctor into experiencing a parallel life from which he can emerge thinking Maya, maya and thus with new understanding accept and embrace his life, ah...

The title promises tears, cruelly the author holds them back to the last page, whether his technique in this regard is equal to that of noted Northumbrian wordsmith Catherine Cookson I don't know, nor am I much moved to find out.

As I noted in the updates I started this book in the expectation that it would be awful, hopefully amusingly so, at first say for about a hundred pages I was obliged to channel the spirit of Robin the boy wonder, and exclaim every other paragraph or so "Holy info-dump Batman!" the interesting thing here was that the information was irrelevant - does it matter if Lou Salome crossed her legs or not, or what shape Dr. Breuer's breakfast roll was, or if he ate one or three, or if Neitzsche met a Buddhist monk, any monk or just read about one in Switzerland, or what Yalom believes a typical upper middle-class Viennese dinner in 1882 consisted of, or who ate whipped cream with their cake?

Yalom's triangular Kaisersemmel gave me traumatic flashbacks to reading All the light we cannot see and left me thinking if you are just going to make stuff up you might as well have the inter-galactic space dog leave off chasing the Rings of Saturn and come down to cure Nietzsche, admittedly since an inter-galactic space dog is still a dog, the cure would consist of urging Nietsche to put on his hover boots and come down the park to chase squirrels, but hey, why not? Woof! Woof!

Well, one reason would be is that this is all a bit pedagogical and space dogs generally are not on hand to assist people studying to become therapists to help their clients (view spoiler), I sense in this book there is an attempt to communicate to students some of the difficulties and pitfalls of working with a client. Personally if I was one of those students I think I would prefer the blurry photostat with the twelve bullet-points ,but no doubt I'm just grumpy, or old fashioned, or not up for monetising my experience through a new medium or something.

I'm mildly interested that English is unusually not the dominant choice of language for reviewing this book. Which reminds me of George Mikes' How to be an alien in which he mentions that a French book about the Popular Front was mistranslated into English as the Popular Behind and became a best selling marital aid. I wonder if this novel was translated back into English if we'd find that Herr Dr. Breuer was powerfully aroused by the touch of Herr Professor Nietzsche's famously droopy moustache and that he urged his darling Fritzchen not to forget his whip the next time he came? Stranger things have happened I imagine (view spoiler).

Still there is something nice and genuinely touching (view spoiler) in people wanting to read and indeed write about dead people like Nietzsche, Breuer and Freud rather than mysteriously topless muscular firemen or space-dogs or treasure hunting Nazis and what have you. It suggests some kind of hunger for knowledge and understanding, even a desire for engagement with big ideas and fancy notions. Whether books like this are the gateway drugs to harder stuff or an end in themselves I couldn't say (view spoiler). On the other hand this is absolutely the book for you if you've ever wanted to eavesdrop on somebody else's therapy sessions without having to plant a bug in the room. Although it may leave you with the desire to burst in with a jar of wasabi paste and a spoon.

Final thought. One character urges the other to consider if his tears had voices, what would they say? Hard not to say 'give me a tissue you bastard, can't you see I'm crying'?
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Reading Progress

September 10, 2017 – Started Reading
September 10, 2017 – Shelved
September 10, 2017 –
page 0
0.0% "Cover and title both for me epitomise the self-published book - can it be as bad a book as both promise or even worse?"
September 10, 2017 –
page 29
9.06% ""upon hearing there was no evidence of cancer, Herr Perloth broke into a jubilant smile & grabbed Breuer's hand & kissed it"

hopefully not the hand which just carried out the rectal examination"
September 10, 2017 –
page 29
9.06% ""after his small breakfast of coffee & crisp 3-cornered Kaisersemmel"

Good God what is it with US writers and triangles? Kaisersemmel like dinner plates are round: as the briefest of research confirms"
September 10, 2017 –
page 31
9.69% ""You look tired, Josef. A long day?"

Really don't think that the young Sigmund Freud would have been so informal with Josef Breuer, one would barely be so informal in modern German with somebody old enough to be your father let alone in turn of the century Vienna"
September 10, 2017 –
page 50
15.63% ""one heaped high with Schlag"

do Viennese seriously refer to schlagsahne as Schlag? If so no wonder they don't have an empire any more, phaff!"
September 11, 2017 –
page 220
68.75% "pedagogical, all too pedagogical"
September 11, 2017 –
page 222
69.38% ""'Let me tell you about a Buddhist monk I met last year in the Engadine'"

Swiss valleys in 1881 a world famous hub of Buddhist monasticism no doubt ;)"
September 11, 2017 –
page 274
85.63% "In my innocence I thought something dramatic was happening, but it's ok, it was just the young Freud hypnotising a character...I wonder if the scene was inspired by the Glass Bead Game or Bobby' it was all a dream in' "Dallas"?"
September 11, 2017 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Ilse (new) - added it

Ilse The trick of the promising title he also plays in The Spinoza Problem in which there would be hardly a problem discernibla at all - on therapy sessions I thought watching 'In treatment' more enlightening and convincing than the pedagogical accounts of the sessions Yalom offered in Staring at the sun, overcoming the terror of death.


Jan-Maat Ilse wrote: "The trick of the promising title he also plays in The Spinoza Problem in which there would be hardly a problem discernibla at all - on therapy sessions I thought watching 'In treatm..."

Madame, you have the advantage of me in that I have not seen the drama of which you speak. To be fair to Yalom, I don't think he claims to be a successful therapist!


message 3: by Ilse (new) - added it

Ilse So he writes a whole bunch of pedagogical books instructing students how not to be a good therapist?


Jan-Maat Ilse wrote: "So he writes a whole bunch of pedagogical books instructing students how not to be a good therapist?"

:) why not? A man's gotta live, apparently, the alimony won't pay itself and all that!

The Spinoza problem strengthens my instinct about his wish for enigmatic time travelling doctor adventures, in this case travelling through time and giving therapy to anti-semites to cure them of their anti-semiticism


message 5: by Lisa (new)

Lisa My tears have voices, as they come with kicking and screaming. And they also ask for new make-up to replace the ruined mascara.


Jan-Maat Lisa wrote: "My tears have voices, as they come with kicking and screaming. And they also ask for new make-up to replace the ruined mascara."

do they ask for anything else or just the mascara?


message 7: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Eye shadow matching my dress.


Jan-Maat Lisa wrote: "Eye shadow matching my dress."

Lord, not much then!


message 9: by Lisa (new)

Lisa No, mine are modest and rare tears.


Jan-Maat Lisa wrote: "No, mine are modest and rare tears."

& shy


message 11: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Jan-Maat wrote: "Lisa wrote: "No, mine are modest and rare tears."

& shy"


Yep! But never sarcastic!


Jan-Maat Lisa wrote: "Jan-Maat wrote: "Lisa wrote: "No, mine are modest and rare tears."

& shy"

Yep! But never sarcastic!"


sarcastic tears would be terrible


message 13: by Greg (new)

Greg "...you might as well have the inter-galactic space dog leave off chasing the Rings of Saturn and come down to cure Nietzsche..." Nominee for sentence fragment of the year!


Hossein Reyhani you have described this book as "gateway drug to harder stuff". If you are familiar with (and possibly read) any of those harder stuff, please let me know.


Jan-Maat Hossein Reyhani wrote: "you have described this book as "gateway drug to harder stuff". If you are familiar with (and possibly read) any of those harder stuff, please let me know."

not quite, I wondered (rhetorically) whether for some readers it is a gateway drug to harder stuff.
I think if you are in training to become a councillor or a psycho-analyst its not a bad book to read, for all other readers it is a historical fantasy novel, but not the most fun kind sadly


message 16: by Jan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jan Rice I am having some reactions to a book by James Michener (The Source) (and maybe I would have to any of his books, but this is the only one on which I've embarked) that are similar to yours here. At least Yalom's book is of average length!


Jan-Maat Jan wrote: "I am having some reactions to a book by James Michener (The Source) (and maybe I would have to any of his books, but this is the only one on which I've embarked) that are similar to yo..."

yes I remembered that are reading that Michener book, I haven't read any of his, though I remember coming across them frequently in the 1980s - possibly because they were such big books that they were hard to miss. Perhaps his are the type of books that are best read when you know very little about a subject?


message 18: by Jan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jan Rice Jan-Maat wrote: "... yes I remembered that are reading that Michener book, I haven't read any of his, though I remember coming across them frequently in the 1980s - possibly because they were such big books that they were hard to miss. Perhaps his are the type of books that are best read when you know very little about a subject?"

Could be!


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