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Gravity’s Rainbow
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Sep 24, 2011
bookshelves: pocket_rockets, national_book_award, favorites, po-mo
�What is the real nature of control?�
From the first sentence of Pynchon’s National Book Award winning novel, Gravity’s Rainbow, the Reader is transplanted into a threatening world where death strikes first, the cause second. It is a world of frightening realism and comic absurdity, all fueled through drug induced hallucinations, paranoid ramblings, and psychological investigations that is not all that unlike our own reality once you remove yourself to view it from afar as if it were some painting in a gallery. This is the Zone, and Pynchon is your field guide through the wasteland of paranoids, preterits and pornographers. The novel is stylistically staggering and so carefully researched that the line between fact and fiction blurs and is not always easy to deduce. It is carefully plotted out with extreme precision, aligning the events with actual weather detail from the days played out and in keeping with a metaphoric representation of the zodiac signs through the passing months. While this novel can be demanding, it is also extremely rewarding for those who make it through this wild rocket ride of literature.
A first time Reader should be cautioned that Part 1 of this mammoth text is exceedingly difficult. Pynchon seemingly takes great joy in pummeling the Reader with a labyrinthine structure of characters and plot lines, each accruing through dramatic left turns in the narrative. The effect is pure disorientation, obfuscation and outright frustration. It feels just like . It is, in a sense, Pynchon’s boot camp for the real war awaiting across minefields of prose; it is where he must break you down and reconstruct you as he sees fit. While the Reader must keep their head down and gut through, soaking up as much of the swirling stories as they can, Pynchon lays out the groundwork for the larger themes to come. Many of the ideas expressed early on won’t seem particularly meaningful, but by the end of the novel the Reader will realize it was all right there in their faces from the start. As characters will come and go like ghosts, with only minimal dimension and reference to them, the Reader will begin to realize that the coming tribulations are not there for the growth of the characters, but for the Reader themselves. The Reader must come out the other side changed in order for the novel to be a success. They must let go of their notions of story and plot, for Pynchon views even the smallest plot structure as comfort, they must let go, give in, and submit to Pynchon. He demands it, and he will fire off heady diatribes against your intellect with philosophy, theology, conspiracies and actual rocket science.
The novel takes off running once the gun sounds the start of Part 2 when, dropped from foggy London town, the Reader finds themselves in the Zone. Early on is a discussion of Pointsman and Mexico, Pointsman being crafted as the ultimate embodiment of Pavlov’s cause-and-effect conditioning and Mexico being considered as �the Antipointsman�.
Much of this novel deals with these two major perspectives. Pynchon often establishes structure, the Pointsman method, merely to deconstruct it and show the faults that lie within. By showing two specific points, in this instance excluding those inbetween points, Pynchon is able to demonstrate moments of symmetry, which he will then reverse. Normally a rocket would be heard before it explodes in a ball of death, but with the V2, now we have the death before sound (reversals also play a large key to the novel, from the countdown before a launch, to hypnotic imagery of English explorers sailing backwards to home).
These two specific points are also expressed as binary differences, such as black and white, life and death, good and evil, preterition and the chosen few. These binaries are clear-cut sides, direct opposites of forces in keeping with the theory of entropy which rules the novel, sides that we clamor to reach in order to have a firm ground to stand on and a cut-and-dry vision of who is friend and who is foe. But Mexico, and Pynchon, rejects these binaries. Mexico acknowledges the space between zero and one, which is a wild, lawless no-man’s land (recall the McCarthy-esk western vision of Slothrops where there is one of everything � a endlessly compounding ‘one� that creates an asymptote never actually reaching 1) where everything and anything is possible. It is a place more dream than reality, and the hallucinogenic nature of Pynchon’s spiraling prose and plots do well to express the ambiguities inherent in such a Zone. However, the novel never fully subscribes to one theory and can be interpreted as a cautionary tale for those who wander into this territory. Plot, laws and binaries are structures that keep our minds at ease and provide comfort and safety, so when we enter into the infinite freedom of the decimal we open ourselves to forces that may scatter us, kill us, and rub us out into oblivion.
Pynchon himself will try to scatter and thwart the Reader in consequence of stepping into his Zone. He acknowledges you are in his territory, and will speak as he chooses, often with what seems an intention of belittling your own intelligence. He only occasionally makes concessions to the reader when he realizes at least a slight bridge must be made in setting a scene such as saying �you will want cause and effect. All right�, which, considering the rejection of such an idea in this novel, also serves to mock the reader for scrambling to grasp the reassuring ledge of the pool in the deep end he has thrown us. To swallow this novel on a first read, a reader must attack it somewhat like middle school mathematical story problems � find the important information in the bloated paragraph, divide and conquer. There is a plethora of information to choose from as he will offer a vast variety of the same symbols and metaphors (the symbolic us of the letter S, for example, shows up as the SS, the shape of the bomb factory tunnels, people spooning, the symbol for entropy, etc. There is a death/life metaphor on practically every page) Yet, Pynchon seems hell-bent on keeping you on your toes and disoriented. He will allow the Reader to slide into a groove of strong forward velocity, and then deliver a scene so grotesquely funny or vilely disgusting to shock the readers mind and scatter their thoughts and perceptions from decoding this vast network of ideas and then tries to evade us in a web of looping plots, obtuse anecdotes and countless characters (some of which come and go with hundreds of pages between mention). The maze of a plot that must be navigated is acknowledged as being similar to the course of events Slothrop encounters on the way, which he compares to the Boston public transit (MBTA):
There must be a sense of trust that eventually, if you keep gutting through, there will be a conclusion to satisfy a journey of such magnitude. Honesty, this is successful and not only did I feel a massive sense of accomplishment for finishing this beast, but also felt satisfied intellectually and narrative-wise.
There is a constant paranoia overwhelming each printed word, a paranoia that the Reader must assimilate by proxy in order to fully appreciate the madness at hand. Yet paranoia itself must be a sort of comfort as well. While there is a fear of the Invisible Hand at play, pushing us through psychological nods in the right way, it is still a comfort that we are part of Their greater plan. For the preterits, this They is the only sense of God they will ever feel, as they are looked over by God himself. This whole novel is the interaction of such Preterits, from the self-proclaimed fetishists to the colony of escaped concentration camp members, and the Reader must become a member of these second sheep as they must lose their selves along with Slothrop. The Reader is dragged through the mud and muck of a smattering of various theories, and to keep their sanity, they attempt to assign meaning to these elusive threads flashing about them in order to keep going.
But perhaps this is just what Pynchon wants us to do, assigning Him the role of the They, and the Reader will begin to feel paranoid that this is all in jest, that Pynchon is simply pulling the world over their eyes and will begin to question even their own powers of deduction. We have learned that all that is comforting must be released (not yet knowing at these points in the novel that there is only a void awaiting with total freedom), and even the paranoid ponderings are only a comfort for us in Pynchon’s world.
First, note the reversals in this, then swoon at the powerful prose in the second half. Now, assign meaning to this quote � but Slap, no! � Pynchon says there is no meaning. But then feel yourself become transparent and weightless, fading into oblivion with no reference to the world around you. This is the ultimate dilemma we are faced with in the Zone.
It is no surprise the Reader is made to feel so paranoid in a novel rife with corporate conspiracy, much of which is highly researched and forms an impressive historical fiction aspect to this novel. If those rambling through the Zone are the preterits moved by the They, than these corporations are one of the highest tangible link to the They we can see. They decide who lives and dies, who is rich and from who wealth is gatekept, what we want to consume and how we consume it (�consumers need to feel a sense of sin�) and They exist in a realm where the War is simply a shuffling of power.
Throughout the course of Gravity’s Rainbow, we have endless looks into mans thirst for technology, which in itself is a thirst for death based on the nature of the technology, even when it is also a life-giving force such as is the case of Pokler who had no life until the Rocket, and how this goes beyond the War itself. Even the White Visitation simply uses the War as a reason for more funding. Mans role in technology is at the heart of every idea in this book. is a measuring stick which this novel employs (in a book that sets out to dissolve all rules, having a rule that is upheld highlights its importance), and all events and ideas serve to counterbalance each other in keeping with the conservation of energy with the preterits being the heat burned off. As a quick aside, if I may, many of these preterits, Mexico and Jessica’s romance or the concentration camp members (�their liberation was a banishment�) for example, are directly tied to the war and become a casualty of peace � the budding romance (there are some tearjerker lines, Pynchon really shows his soft side with them) being the ‘waste heat� in a chemical reaction. The Rockets, being the focal point of the book, are both life and death images as well as phallic metaphors while many of the literal phalluses in the book being used as metaphors for rockets. Film plays another large role, with much of the book containing constant allusion to pop culture, and Der Springer believes he can reshape reality through film.
This struggle of life and death is something that must be embraced as two parts of a whole in this novel, much like man and machine become one with Gottfried and the 00000 Rocket. Life and death are found strung together all throughout the novel, yet, as critic Harold Bloom points out in his essays on Rainbow, in Pynchon's book so focused on the idea of Death, the Reader never actually experiences or witnesses one - not one in all of the 800 pages. Many deaths are spoken of, some ambiguous like Tantivity’s, and others referred to plainly such as Pudding’s (note that ‘shit� is spoken of as a metaphor for death, �shit is the presence of death�, and he is made to ingest it during � for him, not us � a sexual peak as another way life and death bind together in the novel), but the camera of the prose, if you will, always cuts right before the Reader must be an active participant in the death. Like Gottfried again, we know he dies, but because the com-link is only one way, we never can know the precise moment. Even Peter’s clubbing to the head cuts before the club can land. In this way, the novel is shown actually as a celebration of life, all the moments moving from 1:life to 0:death but never getting to the zero. We are forever in the Zone, for better or for worse. But with the final words of the novel, nay, the final two words, he pulls us from oblivion back to the whole. We escape death by existing in the moments between 1 and 0, and, ironically, in a book bent on annihilating structure and group alignment, he calls us all back into one large group: humanity.
Gravity’s Rainbow is a massive novel that takes quite a bit of decoding and deboning in order to devour. But this is precisely what Pynchon wants and requires of us. This is a book that more or less requires a second reading just to grasp all that it has to say, the first is just a test of survival. The agglomeration of ideas are too much to chew and savor on one trip, and there is so much ambiguity present that, like Joyce’s Ulysses, he intends to scholars to dissect and analyze this novel for years and years to come. In the novel, the Zone members gather to become Kabbalists of the Rocket, �to be scholar-magicians of the Zone, with somewhere in it a Text, to be picked to pieces, annotated, explicated, and masturbated till it’s all squeezed limp of its last drop�. This book is Pynchon’s Rocket, �our Torah…our darkness�, which he cast forth into the 1970’s literary scene as a harbinger of destruction to all preconceived notions of literature. Pynchon in this way is not all that unlike the Rocket launchers, hidden far away out of sight in his reclusiveness, avoiding photographic surveillance, sending his Rocket into a brave new world. We, the Readers, are Gottfried strapped inside with �fire beneath our feet� as Pynchon, as Blicero, hurls us forth into the irreversible future.
Now everybody-
00001/00001
'Each bird has his branch now, and each one is the Zone'
I would also HIGHLY recommend the A Gravity's Rainbow Companion: Sources and Contexts for Pynchon's Novel to any readers of this novel. It was a huge help, especially with the pop culture allusions. Just be wary that it does occasionally give away plot elements and devices, sometimes long before they appear in the novel, and will practically double your time reading the actual book because there is so much information.
Also, I have to thank Stephen M's wonderful group read for inspiring me to read the book, while doubling as a support group to get us all through this tome! The discussions and links there are extremely helpful and insightful.
Last, but certainly not least, I'd like to direct you to the amazing reviews of my reading buddies on this strange ride, Steve, Ian, Jenn, Mark,Shan, Sean, Paquita, and many more to come!
From the first sentence of Pynchon’s National Book Award winning novel, Gravity’s Rainbow, the Reader is transplanted into a threatening world where death strikes first, the cause second. It is a world of frightening realism and comic absurdity, all fueled through drug induced hallucinations, paranoid ramblings, and psychological investigations that is not all that unlike our own reality once you remove yourself to view it from afar as if it were some painting in a gallery. This is the Zone, and Pynchon is your field guide through the wasteland of paranoids, preterits and pornographers. The novel is stylistically staggering and so carefully researched that the line between fact and fiction blurs and is not always easy to deduce. It is carefully plotted out with extreme precision, aligning the events with actual weather detail from the days played out and in keeping with a metaphoric representation of the zodiac signs through the passing months. While this novel can be demanding, it is also extremely rewarding for those who make it through this wild rocket ride of literature.
A first time Reader should be cautioned that Part 1 of this mammoth text is exceedingly difficult. Pynchon seemingly takes great joy in pummeling the Reader with a labyrinthine structure of characters and plot lines, each accruing through dramatic left turns in the narrative. The effect is pure disorientation, obfuscation and outright frustration. It feels just like . It is, in a sense, Pynchon’s boot camp for the real war awaiting across minefields of prose; it is where he must break you down and reconstruct you as he sees fit. While the Reader must keep their head down and gut through, soaking up as much of the swirling stories as they can, Pynchon lays out the groundwork for the larger themes to come. Many of the ideas expressed early on won’t seem particularly meaningful, but by the end of the novel the Reader will realize it was all right there in their faces from the start. As characters will come and go like ghosts, with only minimal dimension and reference to them, the Reader will begin to realize that the coming tribulations are not there for the growth of the characters, but for the Reader themselves. The Reader must come out the other side changed in order for the novel to be a success. They must let go of their notions of story and plot, for Pynchon views even the smallest plot structure as comfort, they must let go, give in, and submit to Pynchon. He demands it, and he will fire off heady diatribes against your intellect with philosophy, theology, conspiracies and actual rocket science.
The novel takes off running once the gun sounds the start of Part 2 when, dropped from foggy London town, the Reader finds themselves in the Zone. Early on is a discussion of Pointsman and Mexico, Pointsman being crafted as the ultimate embodiment of Pavlov’s cause-and-effect conditioning and Mexico being considered as �the Antipointsman�.
�The young statistician is devoted to number and method, not table-rapping or wishful thinking. But in the domain of zero to one, not-something to something. Pointsman can only possess the zero and the one. He cannot, like Mexico, survive anyplace in between�. to Mexico belongs the domain between zero and one � the middle Pointsman has excluded from his persuasion � the probabilities.�
Much of this novel deals with these two major perspectives. Pynchon often establishes structure, the Pointsman method, merely to deconstruct it and show the faults that lie within. By showing two specific points, in this instance excluding those inbetween points, Pynchon is able to demonstrate moments of symmetry, which he will then reverse. Normally a rocket would be heard before it explodes in a ball of death, but with the V2, now we have the death before sound (reversals also play a large key to the novel, from the countdown before a launch, to hypnotic imagery of English explorers sailing backwards to home).
These two specific points are also expressed as binary differences, such as black and white, life and death, good and evil, preterition and the chosen few. These binaries are clear-cut sides, direct opposites of forces in keeping with the theory of entropy which rules the novel, sides that we clamor to reach in order to have a firm ground to stand on and a cut-and-dry vision of who is friend and who is foe. But Mexico, and Pynchon, rejects these binaries. Mexico acknowledges the space between zero and one, which is a wild, lawless no-man’s land (recall the McCarthy-esk western vision of Slothrops where there is one of everything � a endlessly compounding ‘one� that creates an asymptote never actually reaching 1) where everything and anything is possible. It is a place more dream than reality, and the hallucinogenic nature of Pynchon’s spiraling prose and plots do well to express the ambiguities inherent in such a Zone. However, the novel never fully subscribes to one theory and can be interpreted as a cautionary tale for those who wander into this territory. Plot, laws and binaries are structures that keep our minds at ease and provide comfort and safety, so when we enter into the infinite freedom of the decimal we open ourselves to forces that may scatter us, kill us, and rub us out into oblivion.
Pynchon himself will try to scatter and thwart the Reader in consequence of stepping into his Zone. He acknowledges you are in his territory, and will speak as he chooses, often with what seems an intention of belittling your own intelligence. He only occasionally makes concessions to the reader when he realizes at least a slight bridge must be made in setting a scene such as saying �you will want cause and effect. All right�, which, considering the rejection of such an idea in this novel, also serves to mock the reader for scrambling to grasp the reassuring ledge of the pool in the deep end he has thrown us. To swallow this novel on a first read, a reader must attack it somewhat like middle school mathematical story problems � find the important information in the bloated paragraph, divide and conquer. There is a plethora of information to choose from as he will offer a vast variety of the same symbols and metaphors (the symbolic us of the letter S, for example, shows up as the SS, the shape of the bomb factory tunnels, people spooning, the symbol for entropy, etc. There is a death/life metaphor on practically every page) Yet, Pynchon seems hell-bent on keeping you on your toes and disoriented. He will allow the Reader to slide into a groove of strong forward velocity, and then deliver a scene so grotesquely funny or vilely disgusting to shock the readers mind and scatter their thoughts and perceptions from decoding this vast network of ideas and then tries to evade us in a web of looping plots, obtuse anecdotes and countless characters (some of which come and go with hundreds of pages between mention). The maze of a plot that must be navigated is acknowledged as being similar to the course of events Slothrop encounters on the way, which he compares to the Boston public transit (MBTA):
�by riding each branch the proper distance, knowing when to transfer, keeping some state of minimum grace though it might often look like he’s headed the wrong way, this network of all plots may yet carry him to freedom.�
There must be a sense of trust that eventually, if you keep gutting through, there will be a conclusion to satisfy a journey of such magnitude. Honesty, this is successful and not only did I feel a massive sense of accomplishment for finishing this beast, but also felt satisfied intellectually and narrative-wise.
There is a constant paranoia overwhelming each printed word, a paranoia that the Reader must assimilate by proxy in order to fully appreciate the madness at hand. Yet paranoia itself must be a sort of comfort as well. While there is a fear of the Invisible Hand at play, pushing us through psychological nods in the right way, it is still a comfort that we are part of Their greater plan. For the preterits, this They is the only sense of God they will ever feel, as they are looked over by God himself. This whole novel is the interaction of such Preterits, from the self-proclaimed fetishists to the colony of escaped concentration camp members, and the Reader must become a member of these second sheep as they must lose their selves along with Slothrop. The Reader is dragged through the mud and muck of a smattering of various theories, and to keep their sanity, they attempt to assign meaning to these elusive threads flashing about them in order to keep going.
But perhaps this is just what Pynchon wants us to do, assigning Him the role of the They, and the Reader will begin to feel paranoid that this is all in jest, that Pynchon is simply pulling the world over their eyes and will begin to question even their own powers of deduction. We have learned that all that is comforting must be released (not yet knowing at these points in the novel that there is only a void awaiting with total freedom), and even the paranoid ponderings are only a comfort for us in Pynchon’s world.
If there is something comforting � religious, if you want, about paranoia, there is still also anti-paranoia, where nothing is connected to anything, a condition not many of us can bear for long. Well right now, Slothrop feels himself sliding onto the anti-paranoid part of his cycle, feels the whole city around him going back roofless, vulnerable, uncentered as he is, and only pasteboard images now of the Listening Enemy left between him and the wet sky�
First, note the reversals in this, then swoon at the powerful prose in the second half. Now, assign meaning to this quote � but Slap, no! � Pynchon says there is no meaning. But then feel yourself become transparent and weightless, fading into oblivion with no reference to the world around you. This is the ultimate dilemma we are faced with in the Zone.
It is no surprise the Reader is made to feel so paranoid in a novel rife with corporate conspiracy, much of which is highly researched and forms an impressive historical fiction aspect to this novel. If those rambling through the Zone are the preterits moved by the They, than these corporations are one of the highest tangible link to the They we can see. They decide who lives and dies, who is rich and from who wealth is gatekept, what we want to consume and how we consume it (�consumers need to feel a sense of sin�) and They exist in a realm where the War is simply a shuffling of power.
�This war was never political at all, the politics was all theater, all just to keep the people distracted…secretly it was being dictated instead by the needs of technology�.by a conspiracy between human beings and techniques�
Throughout the course of Gravity’s Rainbow, we have endless looks into mans thirst for technology, which in itself is a thirst for death based on the nature of the technology, even when it is also a life-giving force such as is the case of Pokler who had no life until the Rocket, and how this goes beyond the War itself. Even the White Visitation simply uses the War as a reason for more funding. Mans role in technology is at the heart of every idea in this book. is a measuring stick which this novel employs (in a book that sets out to dissolve all rules, having a rule that is upheld highlights its importance), and all events and ideas serve to counterbalance each other in keeping with the conservation of energy with the preterits being the heat burned off. As a quick aside, if I may, many of these preterits, Mexico and Jessica’s romance or the concentration camp members (�their liberation was a banishment�) for example, are directly tied to the war and become a casualty of peace � the budding romance (there are some tearjerker lines, Pynchon really shows his soft side with them) being the ‘waste heat� in a chemical reaction. The Rockets, being the focal point of the book, are both life and death images as well as phallic metaphors while many of the literal phalluses in the book being used as metaphors for rockets. Film plays another large role, with much of the book containing constant allusion to pop culture, and Der Springer believes he can reshape reality through film.
This struggle of life and death is something that must be embraced as two parts of a whole in this novel, much like man and machine become one with Gottfried and the 00000 Rocket. Life and death are found strung together all throughout the novel, yet, as critic Harold Bloom points out in his essays on Rainbow, in Pynchon's book so focused on the idea of Death, the Reader never actually experiences or witnesses one - not one in all of the 800 pages. Many deaths are spoken of, some ambiguous like Tantivity’s, and others referred to plainly such as Pudding’s (note that ‘shit� is spoken of as a metaphor for death, �shit is the presence of death�, and he is made to ingest it during � for him, not us � a sexual peak as another way life and death bind together in the novel), but the camera of the prose, if you will, always cuts right before the Reader must be an active participant in the death. Like Gottfried again, we know he dies, but because the com-link is only one way, we never can know the precise moment. Even Peter’s clubbing to the head cuts before the club can land. In this way, the novel is shown actually as a celebration of life, all the moments moving from 1:life to 0:death but never getting to the zero. We are forever in the Zone, for better or for worse. But with the final words of the novel, nay, the final two words, he pulls us from oblivion back to the whole. We escape death by existing in the moments between 1 and 0, and, ironically, in a book bent on annihilating structure and group alignment, he calls us all back into one large group: humanity.
Gravity’s Rainbow is a massive novel that takes quite a bit of decoding and deboning in order to devour. But this is precisely what Pynchon wants and requires of us. This is a book that more or less requires a second reading just to grasp all that it has to say, the first is just a test of survival. The agglomeration of ideas are too much to chew and savor on one trip, and there is so much ambiguity present that, like Joyce’s Ulysses, he intends to scholars to dissect and analyze this novel for years and years to come. In the novel, the Zone members gather to become Kabbalists of the Rocket, �to be scholar-magicians of the Zone, with somewhere in it a Text, to be picked to pieces, annotated, explicated, and masturbated till it’s all squeezed limp of its last drop�. This book is Pynchon’s Rocket, �our Torah…our darkness�, which he cast forth into the 1970’s literary scene as a harbinger of destruction to all preconceived notions of literature. Pynchon in this way is not all that unlike the Rocket launchers, hidden far away out of sight in his reclusiveness, avoiding photographic surveillance, sending his Rocket into a brave new world. We, the Readers, are Gottfried strapped inside with �fire beneath our feet� as Pynchon, as Blicero, hurls us forth into the irreversible future.
Now everybody-
00001/00001
'Each bird has his branch now, and each one is the Zone'
I would also HIGHLY recommend the A Gravity's Rainbow Companion: Sources and Contexts for Pynchon's Novel to any readers of this novel. It was a huge help, especially with the pop culture allusions. Just be wary that it does occasionally give away plot elements and devices, sometimes long before they appear in the novel, and will practically double your time reading the actual book because there is so much information.
Also, I have to thank Stephen M's wonderful group read for inspiring me to read the book, while doubling as a support group to get us all through this tome! The discussions and links there are extremely helpful and insightful.
Last, but certainly not least, I'd like to direct you to the amazing reviews of my reading buddies on this strange ride, Steve, Ian, Jenn, Mark,Shan, Sean, Paquita, and many more to come!
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Reading Progress
September 24, 2011
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May 9, 2012
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Started Reading
May 28, 2012
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46.01%
"Get the eggs
Get the flan in the face
The flan in the face
The flan in the face
Dance you fucker dance you fucker
Don't you dare
Don't you dare
Don't you flan in the face"
page
357
Get the flan in the face
The flan in the face
The flan in the face
Dance you fucker dance you fucker
Don't you dare
Don't you dare
Don't you flan in the face"
June 1, 2012
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60.82%
"'The hand of Providence creeps among the stars, giving Slothrop the finger.'"
page
472
June 11, 2012
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92.14%
"After reading all this phallic imagery, I have to share this with all of you
This water tower was across the street from my old campus apartment. So there Pynchon, another giant cock making love to the sky. Oh, and did I mention when it rains the tip turns purple?"
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This water tower was across the street from my old campus apartment. So there Pynchon, another giant cock making love to the sky. Oh, and did I mention when it rains the tip turns purple?"
June 22, 2012
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June 22, 2012
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June 22, 2012
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I envy your ability to read this one. I can't choke it down. Neither can MJ. Our loss! It's sort of a gift when you can get a difficult book.
Best, Wm.





we deserve medals for reading them back to back


Hooray! I'm excited for Savage Detectives

Haha, oh man, what a cruel bait and switch! The book gets better as you go, eventually it clicks and that will pull you through. Good luck! My lunch got cut short of I'm still 8 pages from finishing.

Me too! I've got that Markson book first and then Bolano. I hear very good things about both.

Haha, oh man, wha..."
it's just mocking you now

Oh, and what are your thoughts on part where the 'ape' (i feel funny writing that as I think Pynchy meant that in a racist way..) put the bomb on Slothrop's ass. Ha, how he wants someone to pee on it but fears they rape him. I laughed so hard, and I very rarely laugh outloud while reading (i have an inner me that laughs for me, while reading Pynchy he laughs like a cartoon coyotee, but with DFW he has a big Santa belly to hold and laugh just like Santa)

Oh, and what are your thoughts on part where the 'ape' (i feel funny writing that as I think Pynchy meant that in a racist way..) put the bomb on Slothrop's ass. Ha, how ..."
oh man, I laughed at loud so many times while reading this book... too many to count! people on the train must have thought I was a lunatic

You just blew my mind with knowledge. I've never heard of this Jones fellow and now I want to read them all.
I had a strange dream once that I was locked in an old timey Russian prison with the guy from Winterson's The Passion and Raskolnikov from Crime and Punishment and we broke out. Then I woke up and it was christmas morning. One of the high points of my life so far.

Oh, and what are your thoughts on part where the 'ape' (i feel funny writing that as I think Pynchy meant that in a racist way..) put the bomb on Slot..."
haha nice. That makes me think of the contacts commercial where the guy is laughing at the book a girl sitting at the front of the train is reading.

The Known World has been sitting on my shelf for, oh about a year now. Someone gave it to me as a gift. Good stuff?


I agree, I feel like people tend to get bogged down by this one and miss a lot of the gold that lies within (although now I will never eat chocolate pudding on my lunch break while reading again...). Perhaps Pynchon puts that all in to trip people up and say, 'well at least the perverts will like this book!' Its like smut-candy to keep the less engaged going through the science (this may all be my bitterness after reading that 50 Shades of Grey is the fastest selling novels of all time thought). The Gottfried part had such an impact on me as well, trying to imagine what that was like. I kept wondering if he was placed in there safely or in a way that he could withstand the G-force. Such a crazy novel.



a philosopher ,thinker and observer wow!
and your recommendation
(Recommended for: Paranoids)
remind me of a quote..
"There is no great genius without a mixture of madness."
Aristotle

The Radiohead influences came for a number of reasons (the Dropkick Murphys arrived just because it happened to get stuck in my head at every mention of the MBTA, although I could offer a flimsy excuse that the folk-hero of the song is lost in obscurity after riding such a complex plot system like Slothrop ha). Scott pointed us towards an article online that compared the album Amnesiac with the vibe of GR, and reading this made me realize it would make a perfect soundtrack. Plus York has claimed Pynchon in his list of influences (their merch site is called w.a.s.t.e. after Lot 49, songs like Fog reference V. and on Hail is the song The Gloaming. The Gloaming appears in this book as a theory of language based on the many seances in the book, and the lyrics 'this is now the witching hour' seems to allude to the many forms of witches in GR as well as the constant reference to the 'evil hour' or 'witching hour')
Always good to meet a fellow York fan as well, he is one of my heros ha.

a philosopher ,thinker and observer wow!
and your recommendation
(Recommended for: Paranoids)
remind me of a quote..
"There is no great genius without a mixture..."
I love the quote. Perfect description of this dizzying novel.

Thank you very very much, that is probably the highest compliment one can recieve. There needs to be a blushing smiley face like back in the AIM days ha. I had you in mind with all the Radiohead inclusions.


Pynchon would call that 'sexy time'

Otherwise, nicely done."
not a fan? Well, my apologies! Glad you liked the review though.

There are a few books in my life I felt cheated that there wasn't a coupon at the end to mail off to recieve a trophy. War and Peace was another of those, Atlas Shrugged should have came with a gun to use on anyone who told me that they were glad to see someone read a book with such excellent points on politics (I regret ever being seen reading that in public...)

Sven...tell me you haven't...you wouldn't have done that, would you?
What will you read now?

I'm starting some Wittgenstein's Mistress tonight and keeping a unhealthy dose of DFW essays and short stories flowing through me for awhile. After that, the sky is the limit.

You liked this one a lot more than I did.
I want Pynchon to turn me on, but I can just never get it up for him.


Meant to tell you some time back how glad I am that you influenced me to read Ferdydurke. That was strangely fun!
Oh goddesses, Michigan...what happened to Michigan...once a bastion of labor rights and now a haven for the stupid and conservative (but I repeat myself).
My adopted little brother was born in Kalamazoo (parents students at WMU), so I've always thought of it as a source of good things. In fact, the same year he was born, my first-ever car was: 1968 Bonneville convertible. And now, after giving me two such amazing wonderful things, you people (said in best Ross Perot voice) go and get all hinky.
hugs and smooches while I can anyway, since you're inevitably going to turn into one of the conservative moral zombies if you stay in that terrible miasma of elephunk.

In regards to both David and Knig-O-lass.
I wouldn't nessesarily say i 'enjoyed' it, but definitely respect the hell out of it. I had a good time reading it, but it won't end up on my shelf of favorites as the enjoyment was paired with such frustration and distaste at times (Ulysses frustrated and eluded me often, yet that is one of my favorites.) This book was a bit overly long, but it had it's reasons for being so. I did get bored with it and many times wanted just to move on. It may be like the Deer Hunter though, cutting out the lenghty portions might severely affect the message, but I can't be sure. Much of it did feel like Pynchon masterbating his intelligence

Wow! That is a great response to the charge of 'could have been pared down by 200 pages.' That miserably over-long quality of some novels is often enough exactly what that kind of novel may be. It's a characteristic which belongs to a certain novel genre.
Much of it did feel like Pynchon masterbating his intelligence
Gee, I've never had that sensation. Usually masturbation is more solipsistic! ; )
But at any rate, if Pynchon won't do 'it', who will?

I can get off to that.

Meant to tell you some time back how glad I am that you influenced me to read Ferdydurke. That was strangely fun!
Oh goddesses, Michigan...what happened to Michiga..."
You read Ferdydurk? Nice, glad you liked that one. One of my favorites. Right in the snoot!
Yes, Michigan has seen better days. Luckily I have my days in Ann Arbor (and a brain) to keep me on the right path. That and these long hot hours in this anti-union factory keep my anger up. I dare not re-read Steinbeck's In Dubious Battle or I may start to revolt!

Thank ye' kindly *bow*!

Wow! That is a great response to the charge of 'could have been pare..."
True, I knew I should have been wary using that phrase. I suppose he just expects us to keep up with him and won't slight his message by watering it down. I respect that a lot. And with the length, I agree. It is the journey that matters in this book, as it is meant to change us as a reader. Trimming it would have only served to give us a point to point plot, which the book wanted to reject anyways.
Maybe I should wait until you finished the book...