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A Feast for Crows by George R.R. Martin
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it was ok
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I'm not quite sure what happened, here.

As others have mentioned, Martin slows the pace of the story down considerably in this fourth installment of A Song of Ice and Fire, ostensibly writing this as the first half of a two-book volume, with a 3-5 year production time on each. As such, the book is by necessity filled with unresolved storylines, AWOL main characters, and lengthy travelogues where nothing of importance happens. Of course, this draws the inevitable comparisons to another famous fantasy series that started strong and became a sluggish, irritating morass (something to do with wheels and time, as I recall).

The pace isn't really the problem, here, though, as the story still stands on its own two legs. The problem is the writing.

Though the first three books were extraordinarily well-written as a whole, one could never classify Martin's prose as elegant. In this book, he takes three steps backward for some reason, and sounds almost amateurish in some chapters. The book is filled with phrases and sentences that are awkward, clichéd, and sometimes downright hackneyed. Martin's prose may typically be spare and to the point, but I never audibly groaned while reading the first three books.

One of the biggest problems with this is Martin's sudden inclusion of colloquialisms that, so far as I can tell, never existed in the books before this one. Coz's, nuncles, and valonqars abound, even though we've never read any character use these turns of phrase before, and be prepared to hear "groats" referenced multiple times in a single chapter. This doesn't only present a continuity problem, for those of us wondering why these dialect oddities are so suddenly commonplace... Martin seems to have run out of patience for phrasing things differently, so the exact same idiom often gets used ad nauseum. I was weary of these invented clichés before I even truly understood what they meant.

By now, fans of the series thus far are used to the disturbing ubiquity of rape in Martin's world, but even that loses what little subtlety it had in this book, with at least two characters being described as "needing a hard raping" (another example of redundancy in Martin's writing... did that expression really need to be used twice in one book?). The consensual sexuality devolves in this book, as well; Martin uses strange fixations and blunt-force descriptions (the comparison of female private parts to a "swamp" was the high point for me, as it were) which make them seem almost bizarre, and therefore a lot more gratuitous than they were in the first three books.

I gave it two stars instead of one because the standout elements of this series are still evident in A Feast For Crows, despite Martin's apparent attempt to sabotage them with clumsy writing. The characters are multidimensional, unpredictable, and well-developed, and the overarching story is fascinating enough to keep me turning pages. However, I am genuinely concerned about the direction of this series, which has heretofore been my favorite fantasy series and often recommended to friends. I don't know what's going on with Martin's writing, but I truly hope the next book returns to the caliber of the first three. I would hate to have to do with this series what I do with Jordan's: recommend that people stop at Book 3 and pretend it's an open-ended trilogy. I'd much rather dismiss this one as "the mediocre volume" and go back to enjoying the series. Here's hoping.
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Kristy I am about 3/4 of the way through this last novel and I feel the same way you do about this one. I found myself wondering if he even wrote this book because the voice just wasn't the same anymore. It seemed a bit more feminine if you will. I found the sole focus being women in power and their failure to produce anything efficient in that position, to be an odd choice for this fourth novel. I mean we all know what type of person Cersei is from the previous books do we really need to be hit over the head repeatedly with her selfishness and abhorant behaviors? I also found that he would repeat certain phrases that seemed out of character for certain people which was never an issue in previous books. And how could he just leave Arya blind and not go back and finish her story? I don't know what happened here but hopefully when the next one is released, he'll have figured it out and worked out the details better.


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Rachel Actually, coz is used multiple times in the 3rd book.


Justin Oh, well, if it took two books instead of three to establish that the characters use that vernacular, that obviously makes it less confusing, then.

In any event, it wasn't the coz's that jarred me so much, since I can hang with that. It was more wondering what the hell a "valonqar" was, since everybody else suddenly did. Or still trying to get on board with groats being the kingdom's currency (again, four books in) while Martin is using it 5,947 times in a chapter. He doesn't give a groat! She gives two groats! That isn't worth a groat! Groat groat groat!

Obviously, I'm still bitter and disappointed. Maybe the HBO series will remind me why I liked the first books so much. Or maybe I'll hold out hope that we'll have jetpacks and teleporters by the time the next book comes out (seems likely at this point), which would make me feel better if it continues this one's trend.


Willow Keep in mind the prose is based on the POV character's outlooks. It obviously doesn't excuse clumsy writing, but I found with some characters he purposely uses crude language to get across their thought process. On a related note, I don't like Cercei.


Justin You know, now that you mention it, the most egregious stuff I can remember is largely during Cersei's chapters. Good point. Other "villainous" chapters in previous books (Greyjoy comes to mind) are very good, so maybe it's Cersei that's the bad writer. =)


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Wyndslash ...rape...? D; i was thinking of starting this series and wanted to see how the other books fared, but I wonder if it says anything that an book littered with references to rape gets such a high rating o.o I guess it's part of "fantasy".


Geovane I'm almost finishing the first half of "A Feast for Crows" and can say I'm very disappointed! It just isn't as good as I expected. Hope things get better in the second half or at least in the next book.


Ryan Agree with a lot of what you said here, and I also think the writing was hurt in part because three of the characters Martin always seemed most comfortable writing for (Jon, Dany, and Tyrion) have no part in this book. I always got excited any time 1 of those 3 was the POV characters for the next chapter I was going to read. That was far from the case with Dornish chapters and especially for Brienne's dull chapters in this book.


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Justin I actually didn't mind Brienne's chapters so much, even though most people seemed to hate them. It was mostly the Cersei chapters and Dornish stuff that had me scratching my head. I keep thinking that I'll be more forgiving if I go back and give it a reread, since it's been a while. Then again, I was largely unimpressed by the most recent book, too.


Jacqui Lademann It's interesting that you draw the comparison with the Wheel of Time series. I was thinking the same thing.
He has become too caught up in the side plots that NO ONE cares about. Did we really need all the stuff with the selection of a new king for the Iron Islands? If we did need to have them, couldn't something have actually happened? I seem to recall Asha being told not to go to the kingsmoot cause it could be dangerous, and I thought hmmm maybe something will happen after all. But when we get to the kingsmoot, we get a couple of speeches (mostly from characters we never heard of before)and then it's all over. Surely a couple of ravens received at Kings Landing could have saved us the trouble of having to wade through it all.


Courtney Oh good. I wasn't the only one to notice. I reached about halfway through this book and got irritated at the overabundance of rape. It was there in the first three but not so overwhelming as to be out of character. It wasn't until it came to the point where *every* woman as could be was raped and the few who weren't were whores anyway. The entire thing reminded me of a bad fanfiction where the woman-hating author thinks rape is a fix all for drama. But you know, all complaints should be fixed with a fan service girl-on-girl scene, right?


Amber I was oddly struck with the same comparison to Jordan's series too (one I stopped after book 4)


Kevin Redmond I couldn't agree more about the writing quality of this book, including the redundancy of certain words and phrases. Like you, I audibly groaned a few times while reading this one.


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Mary Johnson I'm only a quarter of the way in, and thought that maybe I was missing something or was being impatient. I have noticed that my normal voracious reading speed of the first three has come to a near stop with it being more of a chore just to finish this book, as the series had started out with so much promise.


Justin I have a theory that Martin has come to hate writing this series, because it's become an albatross. So, by book four, he's just writing whatever, and nobody's going to edit the man at this stage in the game.

Just a theory, of course.


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L. G. Schmidt I didn't really notice an overwhelming presence of rape in this book (probably because I'm only about 3/4ths of the way through), but I did get annoyed by all the subplots. Especially the Greyjoys. I can stand the Dornish, but I don't like a single one of the Greyjoys (though Asha does have her moments). I also didn't like how Martin completely erased the identity of Sansa, one of my favorite characters. I get that he had to change her name to keep her safe from Cersei, but it went overboard for me when he changed her chapters to "Alayne" and started calling her that all the time. And finally, where the hell are Tyrion, Daenerys, and Jon? Four of my favorite characters were dramatically changed or absent in this book and that really upsets me more than anything.


Justin Yup. Watching the show is getting hilarious; it's becoming an hour of 3-minute vignettes to try and cover all the characters. Sounds like they're going to try and translate this one and Dance with Dragons differently, since there's no way all of these bloated subplots are going to fit into an hour of watchable television.


Daniel The word 'Coz' was used by Jaime during his first POV chapter in ''A Storm of Swords''.


Justin Yes. We covered that already.


Becky Marietta Haha, when I saw the use (and overuse) of the word "nuncle," all I could think was, "Huh. Martin must be reading King Lear on his writing breaks."


Claire I don't think the rapey aspects of the book are there because it's fantasy... ASOIAF defines itself as being anti-fantasy. (because it's gritty and sex filled and like there's no goodies) Personally the more I think about this series now, the more I see it as a particularly violent soap opera. There are cliffhangers and constant new characters to root for/kill. It isn't a fantasy book, it's a soap with fantasy aspects. And yes... this book is where I stopped reading... I could deal with the violence, the rape and the inability of any male character to not abuse (either verbally or physically) a female character, but I couldn't deal with the sudden detour to places I couldn't care less about. We know where Sansa is, it's boring to read about Brienne's trek to find her. And Cersei's chapters are... boring.


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Beth Could agree more, this one was so boring I hated it so much. Why did he gave none of the best characters in?!


Virag Padalkar Quite agree . . . He slowed the pace down in this one. DoD is a bit better but still dashed long-winded


Sylwester you're right after 10 years


Sundaram Chauhan Spoke my heart there, friend. I'm halfway through the book, yeah, reading it now after having seen almost all the seasons of the series, and seem quite lost in the narrative. Pictures he is drawing, as he always does, and masterfully so, yet these are pointless ones more often than not. Great review...now I know I have to just lumber through it for the sake of reading...and that I will. Thanks.


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Kara Couldn't agree with your review more. So disappointed with the repetition (Brienne really needed to stretch those legs) and blatant (and oftentimes unnecessary) misogyny. Ugh. I hope it gets better.


Sylwester Kara wrote: "Couldn't agree with your review more. So disappointed with the repetition (Brienne really needed to stretch those legs) and blatant (and oftentimes unnecessary) misogyny. Ugh. I hope it gets better."

c'mon Kara, this is medieval setting, misogyny is expected and realistic


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Kara Suggesting that certain characters simply "need a good raping" is not indicative of medieval times, but it does offer some insight into the author's character. Frankly, just lazy writing.


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