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Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. Dick
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What differentiates humans from androids, if there is any difference at a certain point of technological progress, is the main question of this botchy novel.

Very personal opinions fans of Dicks´work might find offending and nasty.

Prodigy or overrated
There are two options, to see Dick as an ingenious literary prodigy, writing novels so densely packed that they can´t be understood without rereading and diving deeper into the complexity of the stories. Others think that he is completely overrated and I am standing somewhere between the lines, but instead of talking about positive things such as the immense influence Dicks´interest in philosophy in young years and his drug consumption had on writing quite a kind of Lovecraftian Sci-Fi, similar egocentric and weird, but packed with deep thoughts and very difficult to understand innuendos, a kind of writer philosopher in the footsteps of all those bearded thinkers of the past, I want to focus on the aspects I didn´t like so much and didn´t have to think of when reading other Sci-Fi classics.

I read „A scanner darkly� by Dick years ago and had similar thoughts, so here they are again in full redundancy. I promise (lie!), I don´t recycle genre specific realizations as if it was nothing. No, but seriously, I´m somewhat trying to get a more objective view on a writing style I just can´t get warm with. So let´s pimp the old thoughts.

An idea what people with different tastes might like about him
One can see everything in this writing, it´s so vague that one can do any kind of subjective interpretation, it´s an intellectual riddle to find the hidden meaning and everyone can see something else in it. That´s a bit like with special music tastes, subjectively heaven or hell, although there are the universally acclaimed megahits close to everybody loves and other genres that make the ears of most listeners bleed. Asimov, Clarke, Lem, Capek, etc. are multi selling platin global evergreen hits, Heinlein (some works, not all) and Dick are more like strange Scandinavian death metal or industrial instrumental progressive construction noise. Or take food, everybody loves a pizza or (veggie) burger, but who eats Haggis or English food in general? See?

Maybe try out more, longer, and better plots?
The writing style is typical, one red line, no real subplots, the ending is quite kind of unsatisfying (looking at you, Man in the high castle.), it often gets confusing and it´s difficult to differentiate if it´s ingenuity or the authors' illumination or paranoia. All of that are reasons why Dick is more controversial and not so universally acclaimed as a grandmaster of Sci-Fi and I am more on the side of his critics. If one looks at the worldbuilding and complexity of all the other behemoths, Dick seems average, with the only hobbyhorse of dealing with consciousness, reality, and the mentioned topics and some novels feel as if he just wrote them for the money (he needed) without real intrinsic motivation. Not for the art, just for the cash, not even having enough financial space to at least make them good.

Close to fantastic realism, high brow, and Nobel Prize trash.
I would call him, and I hardly ever do that because it is not nice, overrated. In this regard, he is more like the Nobel prize, pseudo-intellectual, overhyped, higher literature stuff and less like pure, true, entertaining fiction. To write not understandable and confusing to seem deep and arcane is much easier than to write entertaining, suspenseful, and yes, true, stereotypical following the rules of the genre. But that´s one of the key elements of why we love certain genres and tinkering around with conventions while writing 60 pages a day under the influence of LSD and amphetamines brings him into the corner of Kerouac and consorts and „first thought best thought� madness. Who needs stinking editing, rewriting, or even planning and plotting before writing? Completely overrated.

No big picture or satisfying conclusion that glues everything together
Dicks´ novels don´t feel coherent, there are no satisfying resolutions, just more and more mysteries and open questions, and nothing gets answered, and much feels unfinished. It's no bad writing, I just wouldn´t highly recommend it, because it are no fun reads, and if Dick would have been a bit soberer and invested more time in developing satisfying, believable plots, that could have been great. What annoys me the most are the great moments and ideas that are followed by unanswered questions, unreliable protagonist behavior, or completely losing the overview of what´s happening. Not to forget the running get of making the reader angry by ridiculous ends and no conclusions.

Look at the real behemoths
A direct comparison with other grandmasters of Sci-Fi and what they have revolutionized shows the flaws even clearer. Heinlein (his good works) with amazing military science fiction, Asimovs´robots and some of the first space operas, Clarkes unbelievable language and subtility, Pohl with his worldbuilding, Gibson with Cyberpunk, not to name all the newer authors, and especially Stanislaw Lem and Karel Capek who are close to unknown. Especially they would have deserved the same and more attention and appreciation as Dick and should be named in a row with Asimov, Clarke, and, somewhat, Heinlein because they wrote revolutionary brilliant at Clarkes´ level and were really funny in other novels and short stories, it´s highly recommended literature, totally unique. All those authors were able to write entertaining, unique, tropeforming, philosophical, and with metaplots that come all together to a satisfying and logical ending, something Dick was incapable of, because he didn´t construct a universe, just fragments not fitting together and of extremely varying quality.

A final, failing attempt to be more objective
Of course, it may be a question of personal taste and preference, but I have read so much great Sci-Fi, hundreds of novels, that it feels inappropriate to name him in a line with those works and I felt really unsatisfied after having read any of his novels that are all closer to psychological mindf***ing, pardon my language, mind penetrating mystery whodunnit whatever crossover hybrid progressive alternative indie crap than to real Sci-Fi and with less real genre-typical elements in them. All the giants were true intellectuals and able to endlessly talk about any tiny detail of their work and its meaning and sense and it would interest me if Dick would have been able to give answers to complex questions about his novels. If he remembered writing them at all.

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Marta I agree, he is overrated and clearly on drugs. He has interesting ideas and ends up taking them into some metaphysical, unsatisfying void instead of a conclusion. That said, this is one of his better works.


H (no longer expecting notifications) Balikov Marta wrote: "I agree, he is overrated and clearly on drugs. He has interesting ideas and ends up taking them into some metaphysical, unsatisfying void instead of a conclusion. That said, this is one of his bett..."

Nicely balanced, Marta!


Mario the lone bookwolf Marta wrote: "I agree, he is overrated and clearly on drugs. He has interesting ideas and ends up taking them into some metaphysical, unsatisfying void instead of a conclusion. That said, this is one of his bett..."

I was flirting with a 4 star rating, but finally, my sense of justice (I´ve read and reread much Lem in the last year) kicked in. Without the hype and thereby injustice, it would have been a 4 star. But as said, dangerously subjective territory.


Mario the lone bookwolf HBalikov wrote: "Marta wrote: "I agree, he is overrated and clearly on drugs. He has interesting ideas and ends up taking them into some metaphysical, unsatisfying void instead of a conclusion. That said, this is o..."

True, I will try to start working on that.
Joke, adding "subjective opinion" warning signs is much more easygoing without uncomfortable rethinking own biases and cognitive dissonances that could lead to liking and disliking certain works.


H (no longer expecting notifications) Balikov Mario the lone bookwolf wrote: "HBalikov wrote: "Marta wrote: "I agree, he is overrated and clearly on drugs. He has interesting ideas and ends up taking them into some metaphysical, unsatisfying void instead of a conclusion. Tha..."

Skip the warnings...we shouldn't need that kind of protection. ;-)


Marta Reviews are always subjective. As long as you state why you liked or disliked something (and you do), it is a good review. A work is only completed by the reader, who brings their own views and experiences to it. A good work will mean something different to every reader.


Labijose Fantastic review, Mario!


Mario the lone bookwolf HBalikov wrote: "Mario the lone bookwolf wrote: "HBalikov wrote: "Marta wrote: "I agree, he is overrated and clearly on drugs. He has interesting ideas and ends up taking them into some metaphysical, unsatisfying v..."

I´ll rarely use them, but Dick is one of the unusual cases where I´m must not really sure. In most other cases, it´s really just bad writing, but here I could be blinded by my subjective taste and the mentioned injustice trigger that got me.


Mario the lone bookwolf Marta wrote: "Reviews are always subjective. As long as you state why you liked or disliked something (and you do), it is a good review. A work is only completed by the reader, who brings their own views and exp..."

I´ll feel free to copy and paste some of the answer I´ve given to HBalikovs´comment above:
"Dick is one of the unusual cases where I´m must not really sure. In most other cases, it´s really just bad writing, but here I could be blinded by my subjective taste and the mentioned injustice trigger that got me."

If it's bad, good old racism or sexism in classics, completely and totally hyped and overrated, it makes no sense, etc. I totally stay with my subjective (and sometimes even meta confirmed) opinions.
Maybe also a bit of rebel spirit against established high brow elitism or stupid hypes that never end.


Mario the lone bookwolf Labijose wrote: "Fantastic review, Mario!"

Great to hear that you liked it


message 11: by Nelson (last edited Apr 26, 2022 01:04AM) (new) - added it

Nelson Zagalo I love him and I hate him :D

Love all his mythology � real, consciousness, mind manipulation � but hate his bad writing bad worldbuilding, weak characters, unexplored plots.


Mario the lone bookwolf Nelson wrote: "I love him and I hate him :D

Love all his mythology � real, consciousness, mind manipulation � but hate his bad writing bad worldbuilding, weak characters, unexplored plots."


That sounds like quite a difficult on off relationship


Vicky "phenkos" Thanks for initiating a very interesting discussion, Mario! I put myself firmly in the 'Dick as a prodigy' camp but that does not mean I like everything Dick wrote. I think that Dick's works fall into three categories: works that are ingenious in conception and well-written (Androids, Palmer Eldritsch, We Can Remember It For You Wholesale), others that are ingenious in conception but the implementation is far from accomplished (Man in the High Castle), and finally works that are meh and no amount of arm-twisting can make them worth reading or recommending (Timothy Archer). If we can agree that Dick wrote all three kinds, then we're more likely to see him for the kind of person that we was: a deeply flawed human being and occasonally a misogynistic pig, but also someone who had amazing insights that we still haven't quite followed through. The question of androids, for example, and how humans relate to them is going to become huge in the next decade with all these androids coming off the production line and taking the place of spouses or companions.


Mario the lone bookwolf Vicky wrote: "Thanks for initiating a very interesting discussion, Mario! I put myself firmly in the 'Dick as a prodigy' camp but that does not mean I like everything Dick wrote. I think that Dick's works fall i..."

I seem to generally dislike his writing for personal, subjective reasons. I´ve hardly had this with another author, except Heinlein maybe, and I guess that it´s because of the fact that I´ve read so much sci-fi that I just expect much more than that. I just realize, I forget something essential about Dick, it´s not even really sci-fi, it´s psychological, dark noir style, somewhat psychological horror, mind penetrating with some rare sci-fi grains. Real Sci Fi means something completely different.

"a deeply flawed human being and occasonally a misogynistic pig, but also someone who had amazing insights that we still haven't quite followed through."
That´s a great explanation and I, for instance, see exactly nothing in it. That´s my problem.

"The question of androids, for example, and how humans relate to them is going to become huge in the next decade with all these androids coming off the production line and taking the place of spouses or companions."
I´ll have at least two to avoid any future problems with humans and benefit from the brains reaction to interaction.


message 15: by Vicky (last edited May 05, 2022 09:39AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Vicky "phenkos" Mario the lone bookwolf wrote: "I just realize, I forget something essential about Dick, it´s not even really sci-fi, it´s psychological, dark noir style, somewhat psychological horror, mind penetrating with some rare sci-fi grains. Real Sci Fi means something completely different."

I think you're totally right there. I guess Dick's work would fall into the philosophy/spiritualism category using sci-fi as a means to explore questions around the meaning of life and the human condition. In this sense, he is not too dissimilar from Ursula Le Guin (also one of my favourite writers) who uses sci-fi as a vehicle to explore socio-political and gender issues.

Mario the lone bookwolf wrote: "I´ll have at least two to avoid any future problems with humans and benefit from the brains reaction to interaction. "

Haha, I'll get one, too, especially if it cleans the house! And sex with an android may not be too bad either! But that's what's great about Dick, he's not just having these fantasies about life in a technologically advanced world, he's also exploring what this means for the human constitution (and for the androids themselves)... One of the things I love about Androids is the blurring of the line between humans and machines. Deckard falls in love with an android and the android falls in love with him too! is that even possible? Androids develop bonds of affection between them, they develop notions of freedom, they're supposed to be all brain but their emotional faculties start developing! How does this happen? Will the same happen to artificial intelligence? Will it 'get' love or attachment? Who knows? I guess we're going to find out...


Mario the lone bookwolf Vicky wrote: "Mario the lone bookwolf wrote: "I just realize, I forget something essential about Dick, it´s not even really sci-fi, it´s psychological, dark noir style, somewhat psychological horror, mind penetr..."

"he's also exploring what this means for the human constitution (and for the androids themselves)... One of the things I love about Androids is the blurring of the line between humans and machines. Deckard falls in love with an android and the android falls in love with him too! is that even possible?"
That´s one of the reasons why I love sci fi and Peter F Hamilton, Dennis E Taylos, Becky Chambers, I thinks Alastair Reynolds and Iain Banks too, professionally play around with all these ideas about identity, what it means to be a human, etc.
It´s just that Dick doesn´t deliver, it´s always short and not close to living up to the expectations too.

All your questions are things I´m regularly thinking about triggered by sci-fi or actual science and I just freaking love it. Especially the pleasant anticipation of programming the sex skills of my slutty androids with love for the detail.


Vicky "phenkos" Mario the lone bookwolf wrote: "That´s one of the reasons why I love sci fi and Peter F Hamilton, Dennis E Taylos, Becky Chambers, I thinks Alastair Reynolds and Iain Banks too, professionally play around with all these ideas about identity, what it means to be a human, etc..."

I'll check these out, thanks for the suggestions!

Mario the lone bookwolf wrote: "Especially the pleasant anticipation of programming the sex skills of my slutty androids with love for the detail.

I hadn't given this aspect of owning androids any consideration in the past but now you're mentioning it ...


Mario the lone bookwolf Vicky wrote: "Mario the lone bookwolf wrote: "That´s one of the reasons why I love sci fi and Peter F Hamilton, Dennis E Taylos, Becky Chambers, I thinks Alastair Reynolds and Iain Banks too, professionally play..."

You´re welcome.

"I hadn't given this aspect of owning androids any consideration in the past but now you're mentioning it ..."
That´s the male perspective. It´s not as if we kinky bastards had any other things in mind


message 19: by Joe (new)

Joe Krakovsky Wow, Mario! Maybe getting high is not always truely inspirational, except in one's own mind.


Mario the lone bookwolf Joe wrote: "Wow, Mario! Maybe getting high is not always truely inspirational, except in one's own mind."

There are so many subjective opinions about how not, sometimes, or regularly be high that I can´t really choose one. Except the fact that it highly depends on the writer if the outcome is trash or ingenious (Dick or King)


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