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Educated by Tara Westover
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"It's strange how you give the people you love so much power over you"

I am in the minority on this one, but this did not blow me away. I wanted to read this after seeing so many high ratings. I was expecting to love this book but ended up feeling meh about it. I actually wanted to hurry the book up in parts and other times found it to be a little repetitive. There were other times I wanted her to go into more detail or explain things more. One thing I had an issue with is that her family is described as survivalists who educated their children at home - many of which do not even have a birth certificate - but then they had many modern conveniences. Her father has a junkyard and a huge distrust of the government. Her Mother becomes a midwife at her husband's urging and makes tinctures and uses herbs to cure those in her family and in their community. I do realize that the family acquired the telephone due to her Mother's job as a mid-wife but then I wondered how they paid for everything. .

Tara grows up free or wild. She didn’t bathe that often, didn’t wash her hands after using the restroom, and is unaware of world history, and is quite comfortable living around bad odors and smells. She is abused by an older brother and no one seems to notice, intervene, or even care. They seem to be a reckless group - example: multiple car accidents, etc.

I had a hard time believing some of the information presented. Case in point the first car accident in the book, Tara's father offered to pay for the damaged tractor. Where did they get the money? Just how much does farm equipment cost? It's not cheap, I know that. Even if the farm equipment purchased is used it still must be pricey. Plus, the damage to their car would mean they would need to purchase another. Then the family has another car accident. More money, lots of injuries, possible need for another vehicle, etc. I am not saying that none of this happened, but I had a lot of questions about how things were paid for

Plus, this family seemed to be very accident prone, falling from surfaces, fires, head injuries. Was this because they were raised without any rules and became reckless, or did bad things just happen to them?

Tara does want a better life for herself. She does educate herself at home, so she can pass the test to get into College. College isn't cheap, nor are book, nor is housing or food. Again, I wondered how she paid for all of this. Plus, once she got to college, she didn't seem to mind that her roommates were upset with the smell in their home. Dirty dishes, not bathing, not having clean clothes. I get if this is the norm, in the home she grew up in but when faced with other's displeasure, I would think a smart girl like her would have taken the hint that being clean and living in a clean environment is the norm, not how she was raised. Plus, at home a young man even pointed out to her that her home smelled as did she.

There was a part of this book that I did enjoy. Tara's thirst for knowledge and teaching herself and gaining entrance to college without a formal education. I appreciated her struggles and having to learn how to "learn". She went on to achieve a lot in her life and it is impressive and commendable. Tara definitely was an under dog and I did root for her. She definitely changed her life and sought for better for herself. Even without a lot of support from her family, she found strength and kept going. This is what shined for me in this book with otherwise left me with questions. Who doesn't want to root for her? I did. Having said that, there were just too many questions raised why reading this. I don't care if someone is a survivalist, I would think one would still want their children to be safe and free of harm. The turning the blind eye to abuse was despicable. The family also had a lot of modern conveniences which did not gel with my idea of what a survivalist family would own or not own. But I am no expert on survivalist families. Her father clearly had some mental health issues and they contributed to his beliefs and possibly to their way of life. Yes, she suffered abuse. Yes, she grew up in a home with an untreated mentally ill parent, yes, it is all very sad but it was still not enough to make me enjoy the book.

What worked for me in this book was Tara's drive for a better life. How with very little support from her family, she went out on her own and obtained an education. I appreciated her drive and determination. Her book is well written and I realize this is her account of how she remembers things from her perspective. I just was left with questions hence the 3 star rating.

Again, in the minority with this one. Most love this book. It just wasn't for me.

I received a copy of this book from Random House Publishing group and NetGalley in exchange for an honest review.

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message 1: by Skye (new)

Skye An excellent line, Debra, and one that is so very trued.


Debra Skye wrote: "An excellent line, Debra, and one that is so very trued."

100% agree


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Skye :)


Alex ✰ Comets and Comments ✰ Can't wait for the review!!


message 5: by Susanne (new)

Susanne Stellar review Debra! Well said!


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Brooke Nice review, Debra! I've seen multiple statements echoing your thoughts about the believability of the book within the last few days. I have this one waiting for me at the library & interested to see if the dots connect for myself.
Hope your next read is better!


Debra Alex � Comets and Comments � wrote: "Can't wait for the review!!"

It's up!


Debra Susanne wrote: "Stellar review Debra! Well said!"

Thank you Susanne!


Debra Brooke wrote: "Nice review, Debra! I've seen multiple statements echoing your thoughts about the believability of the book within the last few days. I have this one waiting for me at the library & interested to s..."

Thank you Brooke! I look forward to your thoughts. There were just too many things that left me scratching my head.


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Canadian Jen This one is getting stellar reviews, including yours Debra! Can't wait to get my hands on it :)


Debra Jen wrote: "This one is getting stellar reviews, including yours Debra! Can't wait to get my hands on it :)"

Thank you Jen! I look forward to your thoughts on this!


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Fran Awesome review, Debra!


Debra Fran wrote: "Awesome review, Debra!"

Thank you Fran!


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Fair review! Thank you!


Debra Dita wrote: "Fair review! Thank you!"

Thanks Dita!


message 16: by Skye (new)

Skye A candid review!


Debra Skye wrote: "A candid review!"

Thanks!


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Dash fan Sorry this one wasn't great Debra. Wonderful review thank you x


PorshaJo Great review Debra! So many of the things you called out here are the same things I had issues with. She's smart enough to 'self teach' herself and get into a good college, but not smart enough to bathe. I just had more questions and hard to believe a lot of the story. Seems you did too.


Debra Dash fan wrote: "Sorry this one wasn't great Debra. Wonderful review thank you x"

Thanks Dash Fan!


Debra PorshaJo wrote: "Great review Debra! So many of the things you called out here are the same things I had issues with. She's smart enough to 'self teach' herself and get into a good college, but not smart enough to ..."

While reading I wondered if she was just naive or lacked common sense especially when it came to bathing but then I recalled her grandmother scolding her for not washing her hands and she had a very laissez-faire attitude about it. She didn't come off as caring. She had the book smarts but not the skills of every day living smarts. I understand that is how she was raised but I thought when she went to college things would *click* for her and they didn't seem to.


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Joe Krakovsky I liked your review as it pointed out the pros and cons. I once saw a show about preppers and the guy had to be flown into town to the hospital when he accidently shot himself. On the other hand, if you dig into the world of preppers, and find out about what it was like living in Bosnia during a siege, the preppers would definitely have an advantage. In the book 'One Second After' they had absolutely no use for computer programmers. I think this would be an interesting read for me. Thanks.


Jenna I think the survivalist and other aspects of the book are distracting people because what the book is really about is having parents with mental illness and a household with domestic abuse that affects all family members. As a therapist who works with individuals affected by these issues, the book did not seem farfetched to me at all in terms of the core dynamics described, even though certainly the rural, working class setting of the book makes it all seem more fantastical than many of us see in everyday life. It is making me sad that so many people don’t believe this because unthinkably severe abuse within families does (often) happen, and the victims are often not believed and are often blamed, unless they are “perfect victims� whose stories are easy to swallow.


message 24: by Melanie (new)

Melanie Nice review Debra. I am skipping this one.


Debra Melanie wrote: "Nice review Debra. I am skipping this one."

Thank you. Some really love this one. It just wasn't for me.


message 26: by Carol (new)

Carol You always backup your statements with examples which validate your reviews. I'm not certain what I'd think of this one but already am questioning my desire to read it. Thank you for your thoughts on this one Debra.


Debra Carol wrote: "You always backup your statements with examples which validate your reviews. I'm not certain what I'd think of this one but already am questioning my desire to read it. Thank you for your thoughts ..."

Thank you Carol. Most love this book and I did really like the parts where she educated herself and sought out knowledge. She was driven and worked hard. I just couldn't get past other things in this book which left me with questions, Plus as I said, I found some of it to be repetitive, slow, and for me personally, I wanted more information.

This is a book that I find people either love or feel ho hum about. Which I believe would make it a good book for book clubs. I imagine there would be some good discussions on this.


Debra Thank you Elyse! I think this would be a good book for books clubs as there are varying opinions on it. Lots of things to discuss.


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Crumb Excellent review, Debra!


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Supratim Great review, Debra!


Debra Crumb wrote: "Excellent review, Debra!"

Thank you Crumb!


Debra Supratim wrote: "Great review, Debra!"

Thank you Supratim!


message 33: by Anne (new) - rated it 3 stars

Anne My sentiments exactly! I couldn’t find the words for a review and yours is excellent.


Debra Anne wrote: "My sentiments exactly! I couldn’t find the words for a review and yours is excellent."

Thank you Anne!


Marialyce Debra, there was so much in this book that did not make sense. Wonderful review!


Debra Marialyce wrote: "Debra, there was so much in this book that did not make sense. Wonderful review!"

Thank you Marialyce!


message 37: by Karl (new) - added it

Karl Just added it to my "To Read" list, so can't comment yet on the book. However, I heard many of the issues brought up in a podcast with the author that aired recently. You may find the RadioWest episode entitled "Educated" a good companion listen to the book


Debra Karl wrote: "Just added it to my "To Read" list, so can't comment yet on the book. However, I heard many of the issues brought up in a podcast with the author that aired recently. You may find the RadioWest epi..."

I will give it a listen when I get the chance. Thanks Karl!


Miklos I totally agree with your review. I gave the book 2 stars. It got old reading for hours about a willfully dysfunctional and abuse family. Tara got brainwashed, but managed to escape. However, it seems that she is not exactly "normal". Tara kept going home for more abuse. It also makes you wonder about the academic standards at BYU and getting a PhD. I also have a hunch Tara's good looks helped people overlook her glaring faults.

The book explains why America veers towards Trump fantasy land: people like this.


Oliver liked your review


Debra Oliver wrote: "liked your review"
Thank you Oliver!


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Liz Slaybaugh Abuse victims do not behave normally which explains why she kept going back. Think of spouses who are abused by their partners and cannot manage to leave.


message 43: by Debra (last edited Apr 27, 2018 08:00AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Debra Liz wrote: "Abuse victims do not behave normally which explains why she kept going back. Think of spouses who are abused by their partners and cannot manage to leave."

I never disputed the abuse. But just because a book is about abuse does not mean it deserves 5 stars. I thought I was very generous with my star rating..perhaps too generous .You felt differently - great. We are not all going to like the same books. I took issue with various parts of this book. Even if everything is true, as I stated the book was repetitive, I wanted more information and seriously as I said, how many car accidents can one family get into? Plus, she even states she recalls things differently from her siblings. What you failed to see is that I praised her for changing her life and bettering herself. For her drive to go to college and excel.

If you would like to read a memoir about abuse, I highly recommend The Only Girl in the World: A Memoir. It rips your heart out and is deserving of all the stars.


Ramona I agree with many of your observations on this one. It sounds like I enjoyed it a little more than you did, but there are quite a few large inconsistencies in Tara and her story that leave me as a reader wanting more information.


Debra Ramona wrote: "I agree with many of your observations on this one. It sounds like I enjoyed it a little more than you did, but there are quite a few large inconsistencies in Tara and her story that leave me as a ..."

Agreed. I wonder if I would have enjoyed this book more if I had just a little bit more information!


message 46: by M (new) - rated it 4 stars

M "College isn't cheap, nor are book, nor is housing or food."

That's partly why BYU was such a good option: it provides a top-notch education for only $5,000 tuition per year.


message 47: by Savi (new) - rated it 5 stars

Savi Martin Thank you for your input Jenna.
As someone in the field of psychology and has many friends who are mental health therapists, this story is not far fetched for someone growing up in abuse, or households who have parents with untreated mental illness and high level paranoia.

As far as how things were paid for, it was explained in the book how her father made money. Just because she doesn't put an exact number, doesn't mean it wasn't there. Maybe,if her father had made more responsible financial choices, they wouldn't have grown up poor.


message 48: by Debra (last edited May 19, 2018 10:16AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Debra Savi wrote: "Thank you for your input Jenna.
As someone in the field of psychology and has many friends who are mental health therapists, this story is not far fetched for someone growing up in abuse, or house..."


You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. Doesn't make me wrong and you right or vice versa. You enjoyed the book more than me - great, I'm glad you did.

I love how you feel the need to "educate" me on issue of abuse and money but totally have nothing to say about my concerns with how the book was written, the repetition, etc. It got 3 stars for that. Abuse does not equal 5 stars for me. I have to like the writing. I'm evaluating the book NOT her life. I also did PRAISE her for turning her life around and doing so well.

Did she grow up with mental illness in her home. Yes, by what she has written is sounds like she absolutely did. Was she abused? By what she has written, I would say yes and possibly neglected. I do not dispute those things. These are very, very sad things.

But I still I had issue with certain things in the book.

Since you work in the mental health field, you must certainly know that Memories are slippery things. Which is why two siblings can grow up in the same home and have two very different memories of how they were raised. This is why when taking witness accounts, police and other law enforcement officers get differing stories about what the suspect was wearing, height, hair color, etc.

Here is an interesting article on Memories:



*While reading this book I did wonder, could her memories have changed or time or been altered? I'm not saying that things in this book did not happen, but I wonder if perhaps, over time, her memory of events could have changed?

Northwestern Medicine conducted a research study (and was published) in the Journal of Neuroscience which showed that recalling a memory more often makes that memory less accurate, and that every time you take a memory off the shelf in your brain, you put it back just a tiny bit different.

“A memory is not simply an image produced by time traveling back to the original event—it can be an image that is somewhat distorted because of the prior times you remembered it,� said lead researcher Donna Bridge,

My main issue was the writing and things that just did not gel for me. Again MY opinion and I am not sorry that it does not gel with yours as I have a right to mine.

Here is a book/memoir on abuse that I thought was well written and moving. Check it out.

[book:The Only Girl in the World: A Memoir|34599653

I will say, I do love that this book is bringing up discussions.


happy day I totally agree with your review.


Debra Brie wrote: "I totally agree with your review."

Thank you Brie!


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