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Tyler Johnson Was Here by Jay Coles
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Wow, I really wasn't a fan of this one at all and that bums me out, because I was fully expecting to love TYLER JOHNSON WAS HERE. Since my feelings about this are so complicated and the subject matter is so delicate, I'm going to list out my thoughts in bullet points. (Bullet points are so much easier!)



Some thoughts:



1. I loved what this book was trying to do, and even if it didn't quite succeed, the publication of books like THE HATE U GIVE and TYLER JOHNSON WAS HERE not only gives the Black Lives Matter movement more exposure, it puts books featuring kids of color into the hands of actual kids of color with stories that they can relate to (whether in a good or bad way). That's nothing to sneeze at, and I can appreciate the value of books like TYLER JOHNSON WAS HERE even if I don't enjoy them.



2. Comparisons to THE HATE U GIVE are going to be inevitable. They are very similar stories: two high school kids of color who feel a lot of pressure to "act white" in order to be successful, who live in a low-income/racially diverse area with lots of criminal/gang activity, whose lives are torn apart by police brutality spurred on by racial discrimination that ends up starting a local movement. I don't think the similarity is a bad thing, because like I said before, Black Lives Matter is a movement representing real victims of police brutality, and those narratives are important. But it's my opinion that THE HATE U GIVE is a much better book, and handles the subject matter better.



3. The characters in here feel very undeveloped. I didn't get much of a sense of who Tyler was, whereas the main character in THUG all but leaped from the pages. I would have liked to have gotten a better sense of his character, because that might have made me like him more. He just felt very bland and passive to me, and I couldn't figure out if that was meant to be intentional or not. His choices, particularly the one at the end involving his future, didn't make sense and seemed to be fueled for the sake of keeping the story moving. All of his friends are very one-note, and his sort-of love interest, when she appears, kind of just feels like the generic manic pixie dreamgirl type.



4. All the white people in this book are assholes. This kind of ties into the third bullet point - all the bad people in this book, like the cops and the mean principal and the well-meaning, but white guilt apologist "I-have-a-diversity-checklist-in-my-back-pocket-and-that-checklist-says-I-must-be-nice-to-you-for-diversity-related-reasons" MIT representative are just hilarious stereotypes of white people being shitty in various shitty ways. That cop, man. What the actual fresh hell was he doing. What a psychopath. I couldn't help but compare the cop scenes in here with the cop scene in THUG, where the cop did what he did because his racism surfaced during a snap decision he made because he was afraid. Here, it was just like the cop decided he was going to be all, "Yaaaaay! Power abuse is fun!"


Edit: Removed Principal Dodson from the "white people are assholes" section because apparently he was black and I missed this is my skim-a-thon. My bad.


I'm glad I was approved for an advance reader copy of this book and I'm sorry I didn't like this more. I see that at least some of my friends on Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ really enjoyed this book, so maybe you will, too.



Thanks to Netgalley/the publisher for the review copy!



1.5 to 2 stars
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Reading Progress

March 15, 2018 – Started Reading
March 15, 2018 – Shelved
March 15, 2018 – Shelved as: ya-ya-land
March 15, 2018 – Shelved as: poc-interracial
March 15, 2018 – Shelved as: netgalley
March 15, 2018 –
page 23
7.57% "So far, this is reminding me a LOT of THE HATE U GIVE, only with a boy narrator instead of a girl narrator."
March 17, 2018 –
page 58
19.08%
March 17, 2018 –
page 102
33.55% "That was tacky as hell, Mr. Policeman, getting her hopes up like that. Good person fail."
March 18, 2018 –
page 130
42.76%
March 18, 2018 –
page 304
100.0%
March 18, 2018 – Finished Reading
July 31, 2024 – Shelved as: black-author

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message 1: by Laura (new)

Laura I get what you are saying that the book would make the cops such assholes. Sometimes authors go over the top with their antagonists, as though saying "See, that is why you must hate them." Not subtle.


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell Laura wrote: "I get what you are saying that the book would make the cops such assholes. Sometimes authors go over the top with their antagonists, as though saying "See, that is why you must hate them." Not subtle."

Yes, that is exactly it. :-)


message 3: by Cassie (new)

Cassie This is another book I am guessing was rushed to capitalize on a hot topic. At least Hate U Give makes the officer sympathetic and not some evil racist abusing his power for fun.

I also notice we get only one POV in these books so far. They don't show the officer or their family's POV. It's just not interesting to read completely one sided books.


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell Cassie wrote: "This is another book I am guessing was rushed to capitalize on a hot topic. At least Hate U Give makes the officer sympathetic and not some evil racist abusing his power for fun.

I also notice we ..."


I think the reason these books are written from a single perspective is because for so long, people of color have been silenced and BLM is a symbol of that institutionalized inequality that is still very much present in our justice system.

I like hearing this perspective, since often it's a white, straight male perspective that's touted most in the media. But yes, I do also appreciate nuance, and that was one of the reasons I loved THE HATE U GIVE. It highlights inequality, gives strength to BLM, but also acknowledges that part of what makes racism and bigotry so insidious is that it exists on a continuum, and manifests in many ways. I get why the author made the choices he did in this book but I also think it's harmful, too, because when the racists are such cardboard villains there's a tendency for people to say, "Oh, I'm not like that at ALL," and the message is lost, whereas books like THUG made me question the choices I make and the things I say, and how they impact others - and from what I've seen in other reviews, many people also found themselves questioning not just society's choices and actions, but also their own.


message 5: by carinne (new) - added it

carinne Man,:(. This sounds worst then "The hate you give". Which I thought was very stereotypical. Still going to give it a chance though.


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell carinne wrote: "Man,:(. This sounds worst then "The hate you give". Which I thought was very stereotypical. Still going to give it a chance though."

Maybe you'll like it! Who knows, we might have opposite opinions about these books. :-)


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell Robert wrote: "I really liked THUG for the way it treated racism. I've read this review but have yet to hear the book. I will give it a shot though! I've been wanting to read this book for a while. I think, thoug..."

I feel the same way about THUG! I hope you enjoy this one, too!


message 8: by Alice (new)

Alice So this is like the hate you give but worse? I read a bit of the hate you give and really liked it. (I'll finish it eventually.)


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell Alice wrote: "So this is like the hate you give but worse? I read a bit of the hate you give and really liked it. (I'll finish it eventually.)"

I personally did not like it as much as THE HATE U GIVE, but yes, they have similar themes.


message 10: by Mills (new) - added it

Mills Gutted Nenia, because from the synopsis, this sounds really good.


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell Amelia wrote: "Gutted Nenia, because from the synopsis, this sounds really good."

You might still enjoy it!


message 12: by Mills (new) - added it

Mills Nenia � Queen of Literary Trash, Protector of Out-of-Print Gems, Khaleesi of Bodice Rippers, Mother of Smut, the Unrepentant, Breaker of Convention � wrote: "Amelia wrote: "Gutted Nenia, because from the synopsis, this sounds really good."

You might still enjoy it!"


Yeah I might still give it a go if I come across it somewhere. I bought The Hate U Give months ago but my TBR is so out of control, it could be a while before I get to it!


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell Jeweliana wrote: "I had the same thoughts on the cops and the principal, it was just way too much evil and they were definitely enjoying it."

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought so! Like, I'm 100% sure there are people who are that awful but most of them have learned to be sneakier, and that makes them even more evil. Their portrayal in the book felt way too extra.


message 14: by jaz (new) - rated it 3 stars

jaz "Principal Dodson looks like a fifty-year old ex-football player: broad shoulders, a mean expression on his face, a line of sweat always running down his black forehead like he's coming from the gym. Most of the teachers here are white, and I used to think Dodson and I would get along because of our shared culture." okay but...... Principal Dodson is.... literally black..... it literally states in the paragraph introducing him that he is in fact black.


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell taylor wrote: ""Principal Dodson looks like a fifty-year old ex-football player: broad shoulders, a mean expression on his face, a line of sweat always running down his black forehead like he's coming from the gy..."

Cool, I removed Dodson from the "white people are assholes" section and left a note. I started skimming after the first couple chapters and must have missed that description. Thanks!


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell Robert wrote: "The principal was black? I heard the audio version and, well, the characters were so bland that I completely missed that part. whoops. I thought he was white."

Apparently so! I deleted the ARC from my ereader so I don't know if something that this was maybe added in later or what. If it was, I completely missed it.


message 17: by Jodi (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jodi Green Great review. I felt the exact same way. The characters were flat and really didn’t show any change, and many were fairly stereotypical. I read this at the same time that I’m teaching both The Hate U Give and All-American Boys in class. The difference in the development and complexity of the characters in those two books vs this one is night and day. (Think Uncle Carlos). And yes, all the white people are flat and jerks. I got the impression from this characterization that the author just wasn’t a big fan of white people in general.

I was also put off by what was possibly supposed to be nods to other books but felt more like direct steals. In All-American Boys, a woman trips over Rashad’s duffel bag in a store and a cop thinks he’s stealing and beats him to a pulp. In TJWH, there’s a random scene where a random boy trips over his duffel bag in a store and the cop thinks he’s stealing and beats him to a pulp. A scene that really doesn’t have anything to do with the main plot. He also steals a line from Monster by WDM- “the best time to cry is at night.� And then there’s the frequent allusions to 2Pac from The Hate U Give, the obligatory protest (which was as violent as in THUG but abruptly ended). The white boy with the hashtag sharpied onto his shirt is from All-American Boys. I’m sure there were other things, like from Dear Martin (the letters?) but I haven’t read it in a while. With all of this, I had to think- well, what was really your story?

But I’ll still give it as an extension book to my kids. I like The Hate U Give, All-American Boys, Dear Martin and Ghost Boys better. I felt each gave a really unique and interesting perspective. Reading I’m Not Dying With You Tonight next. Hopefully that’ll be better.


Nenia ✨ I yeet my books back and forth ✨ Campbell Jodi wrote: "Great review. I felt the exact same way. The characters were flat and really didn’t show any change, and many were fairly stereotypical. I read this at the same time that I’m teaching both The Hate..."

Hi Jodi! Thanks for your informed comment. Wow, your curriculum sounds amazing. Love the books you're teaching and what a great idea to compare and contrast. Sad to hear that this book seems to be even more derivative than I thought, but as you said, if kids like the books it was inspired by and want to read more content, then who's to say no? If they get more enjoyment out of it than we did, that's a good thing. :)


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