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Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay
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it was amazing
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oh Tigana! 20 years ago, the warring lands of the peninsula known as The Palm were invaded and conquered by two opposing Tyrants, and split into two. during this time of war and magic, one land was punished, transformed, forgotten.

20 years later, a band of men and women fight to reclaim that land, its history, their memories. oh Tigana!

SPOILERS FOLLOW

memories of a distant life can be a strange and beautiful and sorrowful thing. i can remember places, scenes, people in the land where i was born, far away from here, long ago. a dilapidated mansion in the fields. muddy streets, the smell of cooking meat and the sound of laughter, the sour tang of the food, mangos. a great-grandmother in front of a cookpot in a dark house, a grandmother drunk and curled up in a corner, an uncle holding my hand. do these things define me, are they a part of what make me who i am today? it is hard to say. at times, they feel like stories i've read, scenes from a forgotten movie. gone, all gone. but yet they live still, in their way.

the tragedy at the heart of Tigana is the erasure of history, the stealing away of memory. the transformed and forgotten land of Tigana lives still in the hearts of its former citizens, in the minds of those who work to see it reclaimed, to see themselves made whole. the idea of Tigana drives them forward. the reclaiming of Tigana is a slow-moving battle, one that costs many lives, innocent and otherwise. the towns burned, the children tortured to death, the battle costing so many lives... is it all worth it? of course it is, of course. but one of the many wonderful things that Kay accomplishes in this novel is to show the ambiguity at the core of this quest. it is not a black & white matter and Kay deals only in shades of grey. memory is a place that defines us; it is a place that we recreate to give our lives meaning. but clinging to memory, using the past as the sole thing that defines who we are, holding past misdeeds in our hearts to give us a kind of furious purpose - that is also a sad place, and a place fraught with peril. the entirety of the novel is a narrative about reclamation, about making a memory and a place whole. but at the very end of the tale, a minor character decides against revealing a key secret, in which the history told would shatter those who heard it. he purposely decides to leave a story un-whole, to allow Tigana's protagonists a kind of peace in their ignorance, to stop the past from continuing to rule the present. it is a brave, quiet, humane decision. sometimes the past should not rule us. that both ideas - dueling conceptions of how to see the past - are able to live in one novel, and so empathetically, is a sublime accomplishment.

one of many such accomplishments. where do i even start?

props for creating a world that is an alternate version of the city-states of warring old Italy, and yet is entirely its own place. props for balancing heavy themes and brisk adventure. props for Dianora, who whores herself out to her oppressor, no matter her original intent for vengeance... Kay does not reinvent this familiar type - he breathes new life into it, he makes her intentions and her actions understandable, her love real, her death a tragic one - but also a death full of tenderness and meaning. props for his sympathetic and clever gay character, one who uses simpering stereotype as shield and decoy. props for his inclusion of Alienor and her sadomasochism... i've read a score of tales that supposedly explore s&m, and few that so clearly open the heart of this kind of sexuality with such honesty - and brevity. props for Kay's ability to understand sexuality as central to experience, his skill at writing a love scene, his unwillingness to dwell on sex in a way that drools - that makes the experience a stroke fantasy. Kay illustrates sex as somehow both ambiguously mythic and prosaically real; how often does that occur in a fantasy novel? props for centralizing magic in this tale and yet making that magic just one part of the whole. this is not a novel of magic misadventure; it is a novel of people and politics and memory and longing. props for the portrait of one of Tigana's villains - the Tyrant Brandin. the character is larger than life, remote, inaccessible - and so tragic, so understandable. he commits terrible crimes; one of the worst is revealed in the closing pages. and yet this is a father who acts from grief, who destroys out of love for his slain son, who commits unforgiveable atrocities in the name of the most relatable of emotions - the love of a parent for their child, the rage of that parent towards those who have destroyed that child.

and BIG PROPS for the writing itself. my gosh, the man can write. his prose is often stunning: impressionistic, delicate and airy, blunt and earthy, real. he is what many writers aspire towards: a poet who writes in narrative prose. he can depict the colors of a sunset and the chill of night without cliché; he can describe a royal garden reshaped to reflect nature's chaos with language that brings you right there, that make a place both real and unreal. he can create mystery and wonder with words that are blade sharp; with sentences that are full of sad and terrible honesty; with paragraphs whose substance and meaning feel ephemeral at first, like the sound of wind through trees, but that can be read again, and again, and gain meaning with each re-reading. he can shape a reader's experience by putting them briefly in a character's life, sharing their perspective, and then smoothly moving the reader along as one voice fades and another one comes into focus - in a flow of prose that is never jarring or abrupt, that feels natural, organic. scenes are viewed from multiple angles, in a way that illustrates the defintion of even-handed.

have you heard of the director Otto Preminger? he was a favorite of the French New Wave, a hollywood director reconstructed as a genuine auteur. his defining hallmark: a very specific even-handedness in his storytelling, a visual manner that links all characters in a scene as equals, each having their own personal and equally important perspective and meaning, each potentially key to the narrative. Kay has the same kind of widespread focus. there are heroes and there are villains, and yet they are all recognizably human. and they are linked - by their past, by their goals, in ways that they are often slow to understand, in their shared humanity. each has their own perspective, their own fears and hopes and dreams. one hero enslaves a man. one villain makes the roads safe. another hero callously rejects his son and executes that son's boyhood lover. another villain is a man whose heart nearly died with his son, only to be born again, in love, in an effort to change himself and his ill-gotten world.

the novel has a central sequence that details a stark conflict taking place on another world, perhaps another reality. it is in many ways a timeless passage: the story of a fertility rite, a harvest war, a struggle in an alien yet familiar place - a place where actions resonate throughout all of the worlds. this was my special favorite part of many favorite parts in the novel. the timelessness, the simplicity, the sense of many lives, many worlds, linked together so that one skirmish, one win or one loss, has profound impact on all other worlds.

i love how Kay is focused on this connectivity between all things. it is a holistic and genuinely spiritual perspective on life. i love how he connects Tigana to his Fionavar Tapestry - the idea of a central world that gives life to all others, one where we may be reborn. patterns of peace and war; myths that resonate beyond one world into many others; a tapestry of worlds. Prince Alessan's quest is a mosaic of small actions aiming themselves towards one great possibility. the Prince's quest parallels the meaning of the novel itself: many parts that compose one great whole; many memories of one great loss, histories forgotten and remembered anew; many voices and many lives, paths that cross and move apart and may or may not come together again, bodies and souls that live and die and may yet live again.
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Reading Progress

November 23, 2011 – Started Reading
November 23, 2011 – Shelved
Finished Reading
April 29, 2012 – Shelved as: fantasy-modern
September 9, 2013 – Shelved as: z-guy-gavriel-kay
October 21, 2013 – Shelved as: alpha-team

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mark monday Jonathan, i wonder what you'd think of Fionavar Tapestry, if you haven't read it already. although it is not a leisurely-paced book, it does take its time with some things and feels deliberately streamlined, with none of the 'cramming' feeling you mention. the streamlining gave it a real mythic feel, to me at least.


Bill I hope you like this Mark. This was the first book I read of GGK and I thought it was fantastic, especially towards the end.


mark monday so far, so good!


message 4: by Kelly (last edited Nov 30, 2011 12:15PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly Oh man I loved reading this. I mean a) because I always love it when people love Kay like I love Kay (this was my favorite book for years), and b) because well great review!

I loved a bunch of your points, especially this: "the entirety of the novel is a narrative about reclamation, about making a memory and a place whole. but at the very end of the tale, a minor character decides against revealing a key secret, in which the history told would shatter those who heard it. he purposely decides to leave a story un-whole,

I think you get right at the heart of what this is about. What breaks my heart about so many of the decisions made in this book, no matter how many times I read it, is just this. Especially Dianora- if you think about it, isn't this why her storyline ends up being the ultimate in Tragedy? She's living with a whole story and from the depths of love refusing to let Brandin live with it too. (I love Brandin a little more every time I read this book.)

I also like that you appreciate what he was trying to do with sexuality in this novel. I know it pisses a lot of people off- particularly from a feminist angle with Alienor. I can see that, I suppose, and I went back and forth on it myself. It certainly it is always hard not to suspect fantasy writers of going for the teenage-boy-appeal demographic, but I think that's ultimately uncalled for here, don't you? Especially when tied with Sandre's son and Dianora's brother and Baerd's own deal.

I need to rewrite my own crappy review of this and just muse on my own space rather than yours but yes. Great review, and I hope you try more Kay in the future! Have you read The Lions of Al-Rassan yet? If not, I totally recommend doing that next. A Song for Arbonne also always makes me cry, though Lions is objectively better.


Bill Great review, Mark. I wish I had said that :)


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Kay Lovely review! I had to skim parts of the review because I haven't read the book yet, and I wanted to avoid spoilers. I have this book, and it's been sitting on my shelf for a while, waiting for me to read it. But I've been putting it off. I’ll probably pick it up during the holidays and will most likely revisit your review after reading it.


mark monday thanks everyone!

Jonathan - glad you are enjoying Fionavar. that was my introduction to Kay and i loved it.

Kay - i hope you do and i look forward to your review.

Bill - but you said this It's also the most emotional novel I've ever read. which was such a simple, straightforward, spot-on comment that sums up Tigana. the novel is such an emotional experience.

Kelly - after Fionavar and Tigana, my love affair with Kay has just begun. i'm going to be reading all of his novels in order, to see how he develops as a writer. which means Song for Arbonne will be next.

i completely agree with your assessment of Dianora! such a tragic character, and a hero too, in her own very personal way. and yet she is a divisive character for many.

as far as sexuality goes (and Alienor, and her sadomasochism)... yeah, i really don't think that Kay is tapping his inner juvenile boy. he has too much of an adult perspective. and he doesn't linger on details in an immature way (particularly in the somewhat ambiguous Alienor sequence)... the details are carefully chosen, and the sex isn't downplayed by any means. he describes sex both lyrically and matter-of-factly - but without the sense (to me at least) that he is trying to get himself off by writing a hot love scene.

now i don't think there's anything wrong with doing that - particularly in a romance novel or erotica - but in other forms of fiction it can come across as self-indulgent, a silly distraction to the actual meaning of a novel (perhaps because writing meaningful sex scenes are a challenge). 4 books in, i haven't gotten that impression of Kay. he writes about sexuality in a meaningful, non-exploitative way, as just one more thread in the human experience.


message 8: by Kelly (last edited Dec 01, 2011 01:42AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly i completely agree with your assessment of Dianora! such a tragic character, and a hero too, in her own very personal way. and yet she is a divisive character for many.

Wait, really? I don't think I've ever talked to someone who read this whose heart wasn't broken by her. Who are these mythical hard hearted aliens??? ;) No, I mean I guess I can see it, but...

he writes about sexuality in a meaningful, non-exploitative way, as just one more thread in the human experience.

I had some difficulties with what happened to Jennifer in Fionavar. Or at least the lengths to which he described it. I'd be willing to believe that a young Kay was just trying to make his point and didn't realize he didn't need to scream so loud about it, but I do think strayed into 'i didn't need to see that' territory. His last book starts to fetishize sex a bit too, but in general I think you are right. I like that he is able to generally make it important and infuse sensuality into his world and characters but in a very adult way.

I am excited that you are reading Arbonne too!! I should probably warn you that his writing goes downhill after the Sarantine Duology- Last Light and Ysabel were pretty iffy (though some people liked Ysabel for reasons passing understanding) and Under Heaven is 1/3 wonderful, 2/3 WHY, NO, STOP. Stop while he's still good!


mark monday Wait, really? I don't think I've ever talked to someone who read this whose heart wasn't broken by her. Who are these mythical hard hearted aliens??? ;)

they are very emotional reactions. and yet i feel my feeling of love & empathy for the character was also an emotional reaction. strange!

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/6...

I had some difficulties with what happened to Jennifer in Fionavar. Or at least the lengths to which he described it. I'd be willing to believe that a young Kay was just trying to make his point and didn't realize he didn't need to scream so loud about it

Christ, that was a rough one! and yet it didn't feel exploitative to me. although i agree that i really didn't need to see that... it was really specific.


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mark monday i think that i can only blame a hopelessly male perpective for not seeing that earlier. i like to consider myself as a person who actively engages with these issues of gender and equality - but i'm sort of embarrassed to admit that your post is the first i've even noticed this lack. argh.


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Jonathan Terrington That was one other reason I couldn't give The Summer Tree five stars. It seemed too male dominated in a way although not too bad...


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carol. lovely review.


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mark monday thanks Carol!


Eh?Eh! One of the few times I was able to get my dad talking about his childhood (1930's South Korea), it mostly centered on how he had Japanese teachers, no one was allowed to speak Korean but had to speak Japanese, their Korean names were replaced with Japanese names...much of his continued anger against Japan seems to be rooted in hatred of this attempt to erase Korea, erase them. I wish he would forgive since that particular permutation of Japan no longer exists. In a sense, time is doing that, as all those who remember those times die and the younger generations are more connected than ever.

Lovely review.


message 15: by Kelly (last edited Dec 04, 2011 03:24PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly Eh?Eh! wrote: "One of the few times I was able to get my dad talking about his childhood (1930's South Korea), it mostly centered on how he had Japanese teachers, no one was allowed to speak Korean but had to spe..."

Oh man, Eh! you should read this book, that's totally what it is about. There's this really impassioned scene where one of the characters is telling another the story of Tigana, and that issue is exactly what the outrage is centered on. "They took away our name" is the worst charge, no matter what other atrocities. It's quite powerful. I'm sorry to hear about your dad's experience. It's fascinating, and unsurprising, but awful of course as well.


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mark monday thanks Eh! as Kelly mentioned, your father's experience is a real parallel to Tigana's central outrage. so many sad parallels exist in the real world, past and present; Turkey and the Kurds spring most immediately to mind.

i also think you should read this one. and review it!


Eh?Eh! I've eyed it for years! It's had some distinctive cover art, which is how I still pick books. :)


aPriL does feral sometimes It's everything you said.


message 19: by mark (last edited Jun 16, 2012 06:53PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

mark monday thanks April! how long ago did you read this one? and are you a fan of Kay in general? i thought my next Kay would be Song for Arbonne, but i saw Lions of Al-Rassan on a sale shelf, had to pick it up, and so that will probably be my next one.


aPriL does feral sometimes mark wrote: "thanks April! how long ago did you read this one? and are you a fan of Kay in general? i thought my next Kay would be Song for Arbonne, but i saw Lions of Al-Rassan on a sale shelf, had to pick it ..."

Finished it today. I belong to The Sword and Laser Group on GR, and it is their June Book read. Until this club recommendation, I'd never heard of this before. I'm so glad I decided to participate this month!


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mark monday i just joined that group to read the discussion. my gosh, it's so lengthy. so many threads! really looking forward to going through them. although i noticed one thread titled something like "gays as pedophiles", which sorta took me aback. makes me sorta nervous to read what that one's about.


aPriL does feral sometimes Someone thought the gays in the book all seemed to be pedfreaks. I think not, because you have a patriotic gay hero who bravely fights for justice despite possible death by torture, but the book is certainly unbalanced. There should have been some paragraphs included that have little girls being stalked too for unambiguous clarity about heterosexual depravity, and does THAT read terrible! I think Devin's problem is situational, not general.


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mark monday There should have been some paragraphs included that have little girls being stalked too for unambiguous clarity about heterosexual depravity, and does THAT read terrible!

ha!

i actually don't recall any parts about pedfreaks. but what i definitely recall is the tragic & brave gay prince. what a great character!


Em Lost In Books I re-read it last week. its simply one of the most beautiful book that I've ever read.

& just like the book your review is beautiful beyond words.


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mark monday thank you! I'm very happy you loved this book. it is one of my favorites.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ I read this book last year and thought it was amazing. I should have written a review . . .


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mark monday I wish you did too!

yes, amazing book. one of my favorites. I need to read more by the author...


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Maybe I'll go skim through it again and try writing it one of these days. I remember most of it quite well. It impressed me enough that I went out and bought several other of his books . . . of which I've read only one, the first book in the Fionavar series, which I thought was okay but no great shakes. I haven't been motivated enough to finish that series, though it's sitting on my shelves. I've heard very good things about The Lions of Al-Rassan, though--that one's also waiting on my bookshelf.


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mark monday I loved Lions but not as much as this one. I also loved Fionavar Tapestry - that first book is actually the weakest of the trilogy. the transition from modern day Canada to Fionavar was not too accomplished. but it gets so much better.


Stuart What an exquisite review - did you style it after Kay's prose in Tigana? I've saved this book for three decades since I bought it in high school, and finally got around to the audiobook as an adult. It is a beautiful, passionate, fierce, and unflinching portrayal of the lengths we go to preserve our history and culture when it has been erased by an oppressor, and all the moral ambiguity that entails. It's a great novel and I will now tackle the remainder of his books in pub order as my top reading priority for 2019. Better late than never!


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mark monday thanks you Stuart, that is much appreciated! I did indeed, well at least the first 4 or so paragraphs, and the last couple. I love his often long, complex sentences.

I'm glad you have made him a priority. I need to make him one again. I think I have Under Heaven somewhere around here, so that will probably be the next one. eventually.


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Adam It's amazing Mark, I agree with everything you wrote here, and yet I really didn't like this book haha.


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mark monday Well, I think that means you are somehow both completely correct yet also completely incorrect! I DEMAND YOU LOVE THIS BOOK :)


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Adam mark wrote: "Well, I think that means you are somehow both completely correct yet also completely incorrect! I DEMAND YOU LOVE THIS BOOK :)"

I really like his writing, but the premise didn't work for me. Maybe because I'm an expat with no love for my country? I basically am happily living in a country with a Brandon running it haha.


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mark monday ha!


message 36: by Lyn (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lyn I’m reading and enjoying now, you’ve given us a wonderful review, thank you


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mark monday I'm glad you are enjoying it and I look forward to your review. Merry Christmas to you, Lyn!


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La La What standalone book of Kay's do you suggest I start with?


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mark monday Sorry La La, never received notification of your over-a-year-old question and so I never answered it!

I've only read 2 standalones by Kay. I would recommend this one, but The Lions of Al-Rassan was great too.


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