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Jun 14, 2008
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Do you know what the BFG stood for before his publisher told him he had to think of other words for the acronym? Dahl wasn't joking either, not at all. This story is of a man's interest in a prepubescent girl. The first thing he does is enter her bedroom in the middle of the night, blow "dust" over her and kidnap her. Taking her away from the orphanage she lives in to the land of the extremely unfriendly giants who, in the original draft forced the little girl to look at their giant 'clubs'. But the BFG's different, he's friendly....(view spoiler) It all ends with the little girl giving the BFG kisses and living next door to him and everyone is very happy. Dahl sees himself as the BFG giving Sophie, children, a new way to think, different from human adults, who don't even believe in giants.
It is an inventive story without doubt, and all fairy stories require you to absolutely suspend disbelief. Lots of them include sexual and violent elements which children either don't notice (sexual) or thoroughly enjoy (violent). When Disney gets hold of them, they lose both and become the anodyne Barbie-doll princesses (cue violins-in-the-background) we are used to. In that tradition, the BFG succeeds.
In the mid-to-late 20thC there was less emphasis on paedophilia than there is now, and I wonder if this book could have been written at all in the 21stC. Ironically, this book is banned in some educational districts in the US for 'teaching poor moral values' and cannibalism. Ridiculous. Children laugh at those sort of things. I don't believe in banning books, but Dahl was an unpleasant character and it is wilful blindness to ignore the feet of clay our heroes sometimes have as we place laurel wreaths on their brows.
Misogyny: Dahl's misogyny, especially in his adult stories, is quite extreme, and, in shades of Harper Lee and Go Set a Watchman being turned into To Kill a Mockingbird at the publisher's insistence, the first draft of Matilda:
"Painted the protagonist as a devilish little hussy who only later becomes "clever", perhaps because she found herself without very much to do after torturing her parents."Dahl's editor Stephen Roxburgh completely revised Dahl's last novel and, in doing so, turned it into his most popular book."
Anti semitism,: " In a 1983 interview with the New Statesman, he said, “There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity, maybe it’s a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews. I mean, there’s always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker Hitler didn’t just pick on them for no reason. I mean, if you and I were in a line moving towards what we knew were gas chambers, I’d rather have a go at taking one of the guards with me; but they [the Jews] were always submissive.�
Racism and rudeness. Remember the Oompah-Loompahs? The NAACP objected that in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," the manual labor, performed by characters called Oompa-Loompas, are described by Dahl as African Pygmies, essentially brought-over slaves running the chocolate factory. Look at the original illustrations for the first edition of the book on In the BFG, one of the giants, the Fleshlumpeater is supposed a black character, certainly another of them likes eating Turkish people.
There is also a discussion on Bignessetc on his general misogyny and unpleasant character leading his publishing company, Knopf, who made a lot of money from him to write,
"You have behaved to us in a way I can honestly say is unmatched in my experience for overbearingness and utter lack of civility."
Dahl used to belong to the only country club in South Wales that allowed Jewish members. My father and grandfather were members in their time. He once objected very loudly to the number of Jews dining there and how it fouled the atmosphere. The management threw him out and banned him. He is supposed to have done something similar at a gambling club in London with the same result!
I think he worked on the principle that everyone male, white and Christian shared his views on women, non-whites and Jews. I get it here, those sort of whites say racist things to me thinking because I am white I will go along with it. My clerks, always black, say they get complaints about whites from other blacks thinking they are bound to sympathise, but they don't. But most of us aren't racist or hate any group of people. Trouble is most people aren't vocal about that in a conversation and are likely to nod and just file it away. We need always to speak out.
Perhaps the best link of all to Roald Dahl is . He was without doubt a horrible person, but equally without doubt, a tremendously talented writer with an extraordinary imagination. I've enjoyed on some level all of his books and the films made of them.
It is an inventive story without doubt, and all fairy stories require you to absolutely suspend disbelief. Lots of them include sexual and violent elements which children either don't notice (sexual) or thoroughly enjoy (violent). When Disney gets hold of them, they lose both and become the anodyne Barbie-doll princesses (cue violins-in-the-background) we are used to. In that tradition, the BFG succeeds.
In the mid-to-late 20thC there was less emphasis on paedophilia than there is now, and I wonder if this book could have been written at all in the 21stC. Ironically, this book is banned in some educational districts in the US for 'teaching poor moral values' and cannibalism. Ridiculous. Children laugh at those sort of things. I don't believe in banning books, but Dahl was an unpleasant character and it is wilful blindness to ignore the feet of clay our heroes sometimes have as we place laurel wreaths on their brows.
Misogyny: Dahl's misogyny, especially in his adult stories, is quite extreme, and, in shades of Harper Lee and Go Set a Watchman being turned into To Kill a Mockingbird at the publisher's insistence, the first draft of Matilda:
"Painted the protagonist as a devilish little hussy who only later becomes "clever", perhaps because she found herself without very much to do after torturing her parents."Dahl's editor Stephen Roxburgh completely revised Dahl's last novel and, in doing so, turned it into his most popular book."
Anti semitism,: " In a 1983 interview with the New Statesman, he said, “There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity, maybe it’s a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews. I mean, there’s always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker Hitler didn’t just pick on them for no reason. I mean, if you and I were in a line moving towards what we knew were gas chambers, I’d rather have a go at taking one of the guards with me; but they [the Jews] were always submissive.�
Racism and rudeness. Remember the Oompah-Loompahs? The NAACP objected that in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," the manual labor, performed by characters called Oompa-Loompas, are described by Dahl as African Pygmies, essentially brought-over slaves running the chocolate factory. Look at the original illustrations for the first edition of the book on In the BFG, one of the giants, the Fleshlumpeater is supposed a black character, certainly another of them likes eating Turkish people.
There is also a discussion on Bignessetc on his general misogyny and unpleasant character leading his publishing company, Knopf, who made a lot of money from him to write,
"You have behaved to us in a way I can honestly say is unmatched in my experience for overbearingness and utter lack of civility."
Dahl used to belong to the only country club in South Wales that allowed Jewish members. My father and grandfather were members in their time. He once objected very loudly to the number of Jews dining there and how it fouled the atmosphere. The management threw him out and banned him. He is supposed to have done something similar at a gambling club in London with the same result!
I think he worked on the principle that everyone male, white and Christian shared his views on women, non-whites and Jews. I get it here, those sort of whites say racist things to me thinking because I am white I will go along with it. My clerks, always black, say they get complaints about whites from other blacks thinking they are bound to sympathise, but they don't. But most of us aren't racist or hate any group of people. Trouble is most people aren't vocal about that in a conversation and are likely to nod and just file it away. We need always to speak out.
Perhaps the best link of all to Roald Dahl is . He was without doubt a horrible person, but equally without doubt, a tremendously talented writer with an extraordinary imagination. I've enjoyed on some level all of his books and the films made of them.
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Many years later, having a soft spot for Gene Wilder, I watched the film, and I hated that as well. So moralizing. I never could stand moralizing. So I guess that's what put me off the book as well.
I tried other children's books of his, didn't like them either. There was always something there that I found repulsive.
I did like his short stories for adults though (not the Uncle Oswald ones). My favourite has always been "The Wish". I remember it as being only one and a half pages long, but it was terrifying!

Have you ever seen Dr. Seuss's work for before he turned to children's books? Look at these !

Have you ever seen Dr. Seuss's work for before he turned to children's books? Look at these cartoons!"
What the hell? I love how blatantly racist his work was, then suddenly he wants to spread the word of anti-racism. And the fact that these were advertisements is just sad. But it explains why that product is no longer being sold!
I really need to do more research into the books/authors I liked as a child.


I have a mind full of trivia!

Your review is as depressing as it is convincing -- which is to say that I agree with your analysis and am very sad. I still like this book, Matilda and others, but if I read them again it will be with a much more critical eye. I love your reviews, by the way, if that weren't obvious :-)

I like Roald Dahl's books, I like Oscar Wilde's, V.S. Naipaul's, Martin Amis' and all manner of people who I think have really excrebable views. I do draw the line at Agatha Christie, PG Wodehouse, Edith Wharton and Edgar Alan Poe though.


You are using the word "dirt" in the same way people use it when they mean gossip. This isn't gossip. People write biographies of authors because it is interesting to know the background to their work. Not all of that is flower-garden. Some people are just irredeemably nasty deep in their souls. Should that be hidden or called dirt? Should we just ignore everything that isn't wonderful about our favourite authors because we don't want our view of them sullied?
is what some authors said themselves, not in books, but in speech. It might give you another view of Mailer and Walt Whitman and others.

You are using the word "dirt" in the same way people use it whe..."
Sorry! I didn't mean it that way. I never thought what you were writing was gossip--I merely meant the word "dirt" as unpleasant truths. Sorry if it came across any other way, and thanks for the link.


Oh, no! I was not offended. I was afraid I had offended you, and after I had so enjoyed your review.

And although I knew Dahl was an unpleasant bugger, I wasn’t aware of the extent of his virulent anti-Semitism and misogyny, or how much that was toned down by his publishers. (That certainly makes Matilda more understandable). Thanks for another illuminating review Petra, and thanks Sabah for restarting these comments, otherwise I would have missed it.

Wow, what a compliment. Thank you so much. When I think about it though, I think that of a lot, perhaps the majority, of my friends. I have friends that review books I would NEVER read, romances, YA, BDSM, fantasy, all kind of genres I dislike, but I love to read their reviews.

That is so very true! Great review!
And it opens up the contradiction that bears on so much art. I love Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but Roald Dahl was a hateful person -- anti-Semitic, racist, and horrible to his wife. What is more beautiful than Beethoven's Ninth Symphony? But the composer was a man so dreadful that his nephew, who lived with him, attempted suicide because of him. Dr. Seuss' books are delightful; however, not only did he dabble in racist ads, but he caused his first wife's suicide by having an affair and then married his mistress Audrey. However, the man who wrote for kids didn't really like them. He because he didn't want to be bothered with them.
How to separate the artist from the art?


"But most of us aren't racist or hate any group of people. Trouble is most people aren't vocal about that in a conversation and are likely to nod and just file it away. We need always to speak out".
I agree with you completely.
Like you said to someone else I may not read a lot of the books that you do but I can sure appreciate and enjoy your reviews.
Thank you :)

Petra X wrote: "Thanks. I choose friends on their reviews. I can always search generally for information on books. Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ Feedback is always urging people to find books by finding a like-minded group of people...."
I like finding GR friends where we don't have a lot of commonality...I feel like my mind gets stretched and challenged more when I find an opinion unlike my own. It keeps me objective, and I also believe, open-minded.
So far, since I have become really active on GR I have read books I don't normally read AND I have enjoyed them, surprisingly.
I like finding GR friends where we don't have a lot of commonality...I feel like my mind gets stretched and challenged more when I find an opinion unlike my own. It keeps me objective, and I also believe, open-minded.
So far, since I have become really active on GR I have read books I don't normally read AND I have enjoyed them, surprisingly.


I find Dr. Seuss a bit hypocritical. He was supposedly relentlessly bullied as a child because his family was of German origin but had no issues later with the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII and such.
Never did like Dahl all that much either, even before I became aware of his misogyny and anti-Semitism.

He was racist too. I wonder what he would have made of Black, Jewish women :-)


Just because he was a nasty shit about everyone it seems except (nominally Christian) white males doesn't mean he wasn't a very talented children's writer. Although the paedophilia in the Big Fucking Giant does make me wonder....

I am disappointed that the author was such an awful person. To avoid any conflicts I usually avoid reading anything about the personal life of writers, especially the ones that I like. I do not want my enjoyment of a book to be altered if the author is a shitty person or to force myself to like a book because its creator is nice.

I feel like that to. Only more so because it affects my buying decisions for the shop. I do stock Roald Dahl, Edith Wharton and Oscar Wilde, but I won't stock Agatha Christie, Orson Scott Card or P.G. Wodehouse. I will get the books for customers though. The line for me comes not at expressed hatred for other groups, but where the author would like action against the people they despises. It's a bit of a wobbly line though.

(I hope that doesn't sound patronising.)

The upside to being the subject of so many nasty people's slurs is that I am also part of all those groups culturally which is really great.

I agree that for the most part, it is up to each of us to decide what one can tolerate, but I have had cases, where an assigned piece of literature was in many ways intolerable (but in most of these scenarios. I actually was happy to have read and then been able to critically interpret and yes, bash and trash, that so called literature).


So do I. The USA is actually rather good at banning books, but many nations do this (I still cannot fathom that an award winning Little Red Riding Hood retelling was banned by a California school district because the illustrations feature a bottle of wine, or that a Kansas school district wanted to ban the Diary of Anne Frank because the book was "too much of a downer" and this list goes on and on, like the fact that Anna Sewell's Black Beauty was banned in Apartheit South Africa because of the title, sigh).



Wha?????? Also Ann Frank's Diary being banned for being gloomy? Are kids only allowed to read upbeat books with Disneyfied endings?

Wha?????? Also Ann Frank's Diary being banned for being gloomy? Are kids only allowed t..."
I am not sure if they succeeded in getting Anne Frank's Diary banned, but like you, I was flabbergasted. And in Califonia again, the Webster's Dictionary was banned!!

And I guess good spelling is as well?

A bare-all of laughs maybe? A couple of martinis would point the way.


Roald Dahl was an absolute asshole but I like some of his books. Oscar Wilde was too and I am a fan. I can differentiate between an author and their work most of the time :-) Roald Dahl might be a bit different because he was from my father's lifetime and part of the world and he tried to influence others, like the country club, with his anti-semitism.