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Twilight by Stephenie Meyer
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it was ok
bookshelves: ew-vampires-no, lolwut, love-stinks, what-has-been-seen-cannot-be-unseen, ya

I genuinely can’t believe I finished this book, and I don’t mean that in an offhand, wow, what a garbage fire sort of way. I mean that I’m actually fucking surprised that I managed to turn the last page of this and not immediately die of organ failure. And then my sister would have to come and break down my front door and find me contorted on my bed in my crusty old pyjamas with Dorito dust under my fingernails, and morticians would have to break my bones to pry this book out of my cold dead hands, and I’d need to come back as a ghost years later and write “It was for science� in lipstick on the bathroom mirror just to clear my name.

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In the year of our lord 20gayteen, it’s difficult to offer any sort of fresh or remotely nuanced critique on Twilight without resorting to edgelord tactics, like declaring that it’s a feminist read or that it was all an imaginary coping mechanism constructed by Bella to make returning to the shite little town of Forks bearable. But I think our judgement has been clouded for the past ten to twelve years - at least mine has, by the endless slew of stale “still a better love story� memes and the constant personal jabs aimed at Stephenie Meyer by mainstream media. There’s also the YA scene’s insidious desire to erase all memory of it from genre history: when I was doing research for this review, I foundin which multiple YA authors explain what their influences were for writing female-centric YA stories, and not one of them mentions Twilight, which� Whoa. Like, that’s astounding to me. It's just disingenuous as fuck, that they had the gall to brazenly omit Stephenie Meyer from their credit lines, particularly when one or more of them started their careers in paranormal YA on the tail of the Twilight boom. Even , which claims to illustrate the history ofYA, downplays Twilight'sinfluence on the genre.

YA existed before Twilight, of course, but it baffles me when the YA industry now slaps its hands to its ears and la-la-las over the indisputable truth: YA was a marginalised genre before the Twilight phenomenon. Was it a coincidence that YA paranormal romance exploded upon the rising popularity of Twilight? You could argue that it was, of course, and you’re entitled to your wrong opinion, but I did not unironically Google “Edward Cullen star sign� for you hoes to come at me with “what about Catcher in the Rye�. Fuck Catcher in the Rye. I’m not explaining that opinion any further and not will I defend it. Fuck that book and fuck all of its smug knock-offs, because if you polish a turd it’s still a turd. I'm sorry, but I don't make the rules.

The basic breakdown is this: I enjoyed this book, and I mean I genuinely enjoyed it, and was invested, until about the halfway mark. After that, it was impossible for me to ignore the cloying creepiness that perverts a sweet and tender love story into something that, as an adult, is difficult for me to justify. When I was 13, I was a stan for Twilight, but not because of the books - I had only seen the movies, and for this reason it feels like a missed opportunity, because I can’t accurately compare my feelings then to my feelings now. This inaccuracy stems mostly from the fact that the movies were a farce that in no way capture the spirit of the characters or any of the relationships between them. It’s because of the movies that this series is the focus of such intense ridicule and hatred in the media; it’s the self-seriousness of the movies that’s so infuriating, because while the book is melodramatic and depressing, it’s light and jubilant where the movie isn’t. My main problem with the media’s perception of the series is that it’s based entirely on this self-seriousness, and in particular Kristen Stewart’s dead eyes.

The truth is that Book Bella and Movie Bella are two starkly different people, and you can fucking fight me on this. It doesn’t surprise me that Stephenie Meyer is and has Moved On,because if I was her, I would genuinely be bitter as fuck, the most poisonous bitch, an actualViṣakanyā, not only for the unstoppable barrage of media abuse but also for the forced image of my creative work as something completely separate from what it is.

Meyer has weathered a barrage of criticism for her , and this has bled into her storytelling, and to an extent I agree, because heavy-handed morality is an easy way to drop a story down a U-bend. However, while Meyer’s inherent religious biases have centred heteronormativity and gender-based parameters, it may run deeper than this. The artery of conflict that threads through each book in the series is opposing ideals within the central relationship, and if we look at these characters as theological models, their connection does boast a bit more nuance: Edward is Mormonism and Bella is modernism, thus their relationship is a wrestle between starkly defined historical values and modern flexibility.

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To explore this model, it's worth analysing each character as an individual, not both as a unit (we'll get to that later). My impression of Bella is that she's confident in familiar situations and, contrary to common criticism, mostly generated from the appallingly weak and lifeless character in the movies, is not defined by low self-esteem. When several boys ask her out to the dance she never defaults to this modest cry of, “who, me?�; she’s weary of the attention, and shrugs off her pursuers by diverting their romantic efforts to her single friends (with whom she shares close, if superficial bonds, to be expected from people who haven't had much time to get to know each other outside of school). She never shrinks away from male attention, and while she does often acknowledge that Edward is aesthetically pleasing, her reaction to being seen with a "dazzling" and notorious man is a natural one: “Won’t people wonder why someone so special is out with someone so ordinary, like me?� This is not a new or particularly groundbreaking question to ask oneself, especially in young and emotionally charged relationships, and especially with someone like Bella, who is defined by her low-key and utilitarian outlook, and her discomfort with an excess of attention in social circles.

Bella mentions that she was not popular in Arizona, but for defined reasons: She is not sporty or excessively outgoing, which the book lays out as defining traits of most Arizonans (as a non-American, I’m unable to confirm this as truth or condemn it as a false stereotype, but the author does live in Arizona). She also states that her last school was densely populated which, naturally, provides an ease of anonymity. Her move to Forks batters her with the scrutiny of the tight-knit community, due for the most part to her mother’s vaguely sordid reputation as “the Chief’s flighty ex-wife� (12), the Chief being Charlie, a trusted pillar of the community. Renée’s notoriety as an ex-Forks resident, an elusive outsider who left the town in her dust - an uncommon novelty - marks her as a kind of traitor to the community, and by extension, Bella shares this burden. Even without considering her mother’s impact on Forks� social circle, Bella invites attention as a rare new face among a close circle of scandal-starved teens.

Again and again, Bella is verbally lashed for a lack of personality or strong voice, but while Bella’s narration is introspective, this doesn’t strip her of personality (I mean it; this criticism is repeated ad nauseam). She’s a quiet, orderly girl who respects authority and values her studies, as much a cliché of its time as the “strong female protagonist� that has haunted YA for the past six years and has launched an oftentimes distasteful attack on traditional femininity, creating a dichotomy between “strong girl� and “weak girl".

But Bella can’t be neatly categorized with her knock-offs: she forfeited her happy, sunny life in Arizona for her mother’s benefit, a notably selfless choice, and not a courtesy that her mother necessarily deserves. Renée's neglectful parenting is often brushed aside as she hounds Bella via email and phone, creating an unsavoury illusion of parental concern. In reality, Renée is immature and self-involved, leaving bills unpaid and the fridge bare, darting off to pursue an unsustainable life on the road while she has a dependent minor at home. This is commented on in a particularly telling passage wherein Bella is concerned about leaving her “erratic, harebrained mother� (4) to fend for herself: “Of course she had Phil now, so the bills would probably get paid, there would be food in the refrigerator, gas in her car, and someone to call when she got lost� (4). It's a troubling role reversal that plays out in a similar, albeit softer, fashion when Bella moves in with her father and is immediately forced to take on basic duties in the home, due to her father’s ineptitude in the kitchen and in homemaking.

But Bella is an independent girl who doesn’t want to shoehorn her mother into the same situation that she fled in Forks, so she moves away to stay with her father purely for Renée’s benefit. But her relationship with Charlie is tender: when Tyler’s truck nearly crushes her, she’s thinking fondly of her father, who got up early to put snow chains on the wheels of her truck. It’s the same sort of quiet thoughtfulness that defines Bella. When people like Jacob and Angela are being sidelined by their friends - ignored during a group conversation - Bella notices this and acknowledges them. Bella’s personality is quiet, but I wouldn't call it weak. (It's worth remembering that, in 2005, a "ladylike front" was very much in fashion and not only in religious circles like Meyer's. This "touch my butt and buy me pizza" attitude didn't come into fashion until Tumblr became mainstream, and until the internet popularised the Anna Kendrick brand. You know, this "I'm a gross girl and I wear sweatpants and I like to swear". That mentality wasn't part of the media hive mind yet.)

Is this what catches Edward’s attention? In part, yes. Though more prominently it’s Bella’s mystery that attracts Edward. He can’t read her mind, thus their courtship requires rituals, wooing, a thrill that is missing entirely from Edward’s life. I mentioned in my status updates that I had a lot of feelings about Edward, his past and his pain, and to an extent I do; it’s another missed opportunity, because Edward’s past is handwaved, even though it influences every facet of his questionable behaviour, from his total lack of awareness about road safety, to his absurd and oftentimes bewildering fascination with Bella’s average life.

Here’s the thing about Edward: he’s either too old or too young, depending on how you look at it. He was born on the cusp of living memory, which means that in 2005, he’s the same age as some people’s great grandparents, and this is what makes his relationship with Bella unacceptable. He’s not a relic, like Carlisle, or merely an older man. He is geriatric, and this adds an element of unavoidable perversion to his romance with a teenage girl.With a clear mind, it’s almost impossible not to recoil when Edward describes Bella as “appallingly luscious� or during this exchange:

“‘That’s probably best. Be careful, though. The child has no idea.�
I brindled a little at the word child. ‘Jacob is not that much younger than I am,� I reminded him.
He looked at me then, his anger abruptly fading. ‘Oh, I know,� he assured me with a grin.� (305)

If we look at this from Carlisle’s point of view, then it becomes apparent that Edward’s age was a huge narrative blunder. Carlisle is 362, and if we sit back and contemplate the enormity of that, and the sheer gulf between him and someone who is seventeen, then it almost wouldn’t be so bad if Edward were also old as balls: he could be considered something other entirely, not an elderly man but a creature from another world, wholly divorced from Bella’s insular world. It would be as if she had fallen in love with an alien, or some eldritch beast from a parallel universe. It would require a lot more effort on Meyer's part to explain exactly what it is that makes their relationship hold together, and the politics between them would be more complex, but this would arguably have made for a more cerebral read. (Conversely, this is why I struggle to fully get on board with Outlander. Granted, I've only seen the TV show, but how could Claire and Jamie possibly find anything to talk about that's remotely relevant to either of their lives? He's never seen a bean can and he doesn't know what the telly is.) But ageing Edward up could, with some moral gymnastics and a constant reminder that Yes, This Is Weird, But We’re Going With It, remove him from Bella’s socio-political sphere just enough that it would almost be more acceptable.

It's the poor decision to time Edward's birth at the beginning of the 20th century that really hits the nail into the coffin here. While it does comfortably serve the theological dichotomy between Edward and Bella (anyone significantly older would probably not be Mormon, as Mormonism wasn't a thing until the early-to-mid 1800s) it is a stumbling block for the believability of the romance. The movie and the book both struggle desperately to reconcile Edward’s point of view with Bella’s, neither one with enough sleight of hand to properly explore the intricacies of it; that said, at least in the book, Edward is fun:

“‘You scared me for a minute there,� [Edward] admitted after a pause� ‘I thought Newton was dragging your dead body off to bury it in the woods.�
‘Ha, ha.� I still had my eyes closed, but I was feeling more normal every minute.
‘Honestly—I’ve seen corpses with better colour. I was concerned that I might have to avenge your murder.�
‘Poor Mike. I bet he’s mad.�
‘He absolutely loathes me,� Edward said cheerfully.� (85)

In the movie, it’s impossible to understand why the hell this old man is chasing after this little girl, but in the book he’s charming and eloquent, and there are instances that beget genuine empathy—I couldn’t stop thinking about Edward’s total disregard for his own personal safety, his exclusion from society, this insular environment that Carlisle’s bite condemned him to. He is an old man caged in the body of a teenager, and his family only enables his self-destructive behaviour. I wouldn’t even call him a pervert: I would call him someone who is so psychologically damaged from a physical assault that he is clawing desperately to human affection to try to manufacture a sense of normalcy in his life. And Carlisle, his attacker, is now his sole benefactor, the puppeteer of a collection of ageless marionettes that obey his authority over their household. They survive at Carlisle’s pleasure; they play by his rules. But Edward states that the vampires do not sleep, and while sleep is necessary for growth and repair, it’s also vital for mental health. What has this created in Carlisle, a man who hasn’t slept in around 340 years? Is there any way to measure the psychological damage this could cause, or are we seeing it now in this strange, macabre puppet show that is the Cullen clan?

Is this an intentional angle? It’s hard to say. I doubt it, but I don’t think there’s such a thing as “reading too much� into stories, especially those that deal with extremely weighty topics such as immortality and love and pack mentality. What strikes me most here is that Bella is a victim of the Cullen clan, but so is Edward, and of course Rosalie. Edward, Rosalie, and Esme were all turned by Carlisle without their consent, and while they all were dying, and though this is passed off as noble by Carlisle, it doesn’t ring true.

As asserted by the narrative, the “lawless� vampires, i.e. those who do not belong to a "safe" clan and who are not under the control of any other entity, and who hunt humans, are the villains of this story, but what makes them villainous is their disregard for human life, and that they justify this by citing their natural instincts. The vampires� natural attractiveness, their smell, and their heightened senses all function for ease of hunting, and the Cullens are not exempt; the difference between them is that the ungoverned vampires hunt humans, and the Cullens do not.

Or do they?

Perhaps what Carlisle did can’t be labelled “hunting�, but it could be something worse. It could be the ultimate act of power and control, to stockpile living bodies, to use acts of brutality and violence to manufacture close familial bonds. Carlisle professes not to have given in to his baser instincts, but the truth may be that he did, not by killing but with a cultivated community of psychological torture. Edward states that Carlisle was lonely, but the problematic element to this is that Carlisle knew why he was lonely - it was because immortality made him that way. His solution to this was to condemn other people to the same fate. One could ask why Carlisle was so certain that the other “Cullens� would bond with him, but my answer to this is that Carlisle made it that way: this was his design, to collect a trove of ghosts and lock them behind the doors of his estate.

The Cullens will always be connected by the things that make them “other�, and in the end, so will Bella. She will become a Cullen too, but I’d say it’s not Edward’s fingers that are plucking her puppet strings.

Is James the villain here? Perhaps. Perhaps not.



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Reading Progress

August 26, 2018 – Started Reading
August 26, 2018 – Shelved
August 26, 2018 –
30.0% "I wasn't going to post any status updates about this, but you're not imagining things - I am rereading Twilight, thirteen years later."
August 26, 2018 –
31.0% "I've decided to Do A Thing - go back and read some of the earliest modern YA releases from the beginning of the YA boom, and review them from a far more mature and adult perspective. Let me tell you - as part of this project, Twilight has not disappointed me."
August 26, 2018 –
35.0% "I'll go into this in further detail when I write a full review, but I have to give a bit of background - I've never read the whole book before. I read about a hundred pages when I was 14, and I hated it, because back then it was fashionable to hate Twilight. I was a teenager desperately trying to be cool, and you know what was cool? Hating Twilight."
August 26, 2018 –
36.0% "I was briefly a big fan of the series when the first couple of movies came out. I hadn't seen anything like that before - something that centred the narrative around teenage girls doing teenage girl things. But I turned on it. I hated it viciously. I now see why."
August 26, 2018 –
37.0% "The movies are an absolutely fucking shambles. The movie has done this book, and its legacy, and its author, a disgusting disservice. Even the first movie - the highest quality of all five - completely and utterly SHREDS the characters in these books. That's why it became popular to call Twilight "trash". Because the movies were trash, and that's what people thought of when the series was mentioned."
August 26, 2018 –
38.0% "The truth is that, as a 24 year old woman who no longer buys into nonsense like "guilty pleasures", I'm thoroughly enjoying this book. So much of the vitriol and the criticisms levelled at it ought to be directed at the movie producers, NOT the author. We talk about how all new YA is sooooo much better than Twilight, but I've read some 2016-2018 releases that are shit compared to this."
August 26, 2018 –
39.0% "I have a lot of opinions about this and I'm going to go very, very, very deep and scholarly in my review. Be warned. It's going to be like an academic paper. I'm already taking notes which is something I never do."
August 26, 2018 –
39.0% "What I will say just now is that I have a lot of feelings about Edward in particular. I have a lot of feelings about his past, his pain, and the way that all of the context has been stripped away from his character to create a popular image of him that is unrecognisable from the text. I have so many things to say about this."
August 26, 2018 –
40.0% "I do also want to make something clear: all of my opinions are based entirely on this book alone. I never read any of the sequels and depending on how I feel at the end of this book I may or may not bother picking them up (I saw the movies a long time ago but clearly they're unreliable). For now I am critiquing ONLY THIS BOOK and nothing else."
September 11, 2018 –
page 231
45.03% "This is making me... so emotional... help"
September 11, 2018 –
page 280
54.58% "It's so frustrating to me that elements of Edward and Bella's relationship that are so unbearably sweet - their laughter together, the earnestness of Edward as he rediscovers physical intimacy - are sullied by the inclusion of distasteful tropes like him watching her sleep. Who thinks that's romantic? Why didn't an editor insist the author remove that?"
September 11, 2018 –
page 281
54.78% "I know it's important to remember that this was written in 2005, before the big push for feminist discourse to become mainstream, and before YA became so socially conscious, but it rubs me up the wrong way. The potential is there, but the opportunity was wasted. Why? Removing this element of midnight creepery alone would have made this far more palatable."
September 16, 2018 –
page 302
58.87% "The. chuckling is out of control, my dudes."
September 20, 2018 – Shelved as: ew-vampires-no
September 20, 2018 – Shelved as: lolwut
September 20, 2018 – Shelved as: love-stinks
September 20, 2018 – Shelved as: what-has-been-seen-cannot-be-unseen
September 20, 2018 – Shelved as: ya
September 23, 2018 – Finished Reading

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tankbredgrunt My loins are so girded


Kiki Ooooooh get ready girls


message 4: by mo (new) - rated it 1 star

mo I...have no words, Kiki.

This review is magnificent. Holy shit. Insert clapping gif here, because wow.


Kiki Cil, I'm fucking crying LMAO, you're an actual queen and I honestly just can't

I love you so much it's gross

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭


message 6: by catarina (new)

catarina wow, this was a spectacular review! i am so used to people shitting on twilight, and even though i have never read the books and only watched the movies, i never even bothered to check how accurate those were. your review made me look at this series in a completely different way, great job!


Kiki Baccalario wrote: "wow, this was a spectacular review! i am so used to people shitting on twilight, and even though i have never read the books and only watched the movies, i never even bothered to check how accurate..."

Me neither. Honestly, reading this book was an eye-opening experience and a gentle reminder to judge movies and books separately (judging them together is certainly something I've been guilty of in the past). I'm super glad you enjoyed! x

mo wrote: "I...have no words, Kiki.

This review is magnificent. Holy shit. Insert clapping gif here, because wow."


Thank you so much babes, I'm really glad you enjoyed it! x


Read While It Rains I love this review! As someone who read all the books before I watched the films, I felt very attached to them in a way that was ruined (imo) on screen. This meant that I didn’t pick them up again to read so I was missing out on this kind of analysis. I pretty much agree with everything in this review but now I really want to read the series again 🤷🏼‍♀�


Katie.dorny In the year of our lord 20gayteen had my lesbian ass deceased!!


message 10: by Kiki (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kiki Katie.dorny wrote: "In the year of our lord 20gayteen had my lesbian ass deceased!!"

MAY THE GOOD LORD BLESS YOUR LESBIAN ASS <3


message 11: by Sarah (new)

Sarah A very well done analysis of Carlisle. I never thought about any of those things!


Shannon Wow. I love this review. The beginning especially is SO. FREAKING. ACCURATE. I watched on YouTube that kind of touches on some of the things you said about SM. (You may have already seen it.) And I completely agree with you about the book vs. movie point.


message 13: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Woah. Has anyone read the comments on the "over it" article? People are livid. I'm not sure if she meant it the way fans are taking it? . . .


Kylie Crawford Daaaamn. This review makes me feel so much better about my 13 year old self who devoured these books despite feeling creepy about Edward's age (aptly pointed out) and the few things I found distasteful about it (creepy standing in her room)

As someone with lots of family in Arizona, I can attest to the outgoing/sportsy stereotype. They are sunny, energetic monsters and I love them.


Kylie Crawford Ooh I'm curious. What "over it" article???


message 16: by Kiki (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kiki @Sarah, I read through the comments on that article and was...pretty horrified? I don't think Meyer meant it in a rude way but I'm not surprised she's trying to distance herself from a phenomenon that resulted in her being THRASHED in the media and treated like a total pariah in the community she so monumentally contributed to. Also, @Kylie, I linked the article in the review - click on the "over it" text and you'll be able to give it a read. It's interesting stuff (also, thanks for the Arizona insight! x)


message 17: by Kiki (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kiki Also, @Kingsley, I TOTALLY agree. Bella is unrecognisable in the movies.


Lenna the Unicorn Cat Wow! Amazing review!! I never thought to look at it that way. I remember loving the books as a tween but then hating the whole series because of the last book and then because of the movies. Eventually I started loathing them when I started to look at the toxicity of the relationships presented. However, your review made me see things a little more differently. Maybe in the future I’ll try rereading them to see how they are compared to my younger self’s thoughts. Thank you for this review though!


message 19: by Joseph (new)

Joseph Richardson Great review, Kiki. This was really well done. I have to agree with Julia above that we need more reviews like this. They're much more interesting than the traditional "This was good/bad because of x, y, and z."


message 20: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Kiki wrote: "@Sarah, I read through the comments on that article and was...pretty horrified? I don't think Meyer meant it in a rude way but I'm not surprised she's trying to distance herself from a phenomenon t..."

I completely agree, Kiki. God forbid she want to get away from fans that bashed for years what she created. I'd want to see what else I'd be able to do. Mrs. Meyer will always be known for Twilight, but that doesn't mean she can't distance herself or not want to be involved in the Twilight/vampire community for some time. I mean, look at Anne Rice.


message 21: by mo (new) - rated it 1 star

mo @Sarah - that "Dear Stephenie Meyer" video from Lindsay Ellis is a great, thoughtful watch. It's a really good breakdown of the shitstorm of Twilight hate, imo. I also totally understand Meyer wanting to be distanced from Twilight. Both fans and folks who hated the series directed genuinely upsetting levels of avid love/hate toward her. I don't blame her at all for finding it to be (in her words) "not a happy place to be."


Danielle I love these hot takes on Twilight, I myself have had to disentangle myself from the hive mind of hating Twilight just because it was cool. But also the movies tricked me into thinking that I hated the books, because they were so awful. So I also had to break free from the media manipulation.
I was once a teenage girl and I loved it when I read it at 13, 14, and it was a product of it's time. And it got a lot of young people to continue to reading after the Harry Potter phase was ending and propelled a whole genre into the mainstream that is still going strong to this day. That will always make me respect Stephenie Meyer, even though she's not my favorite author, she inspired me to read more YA and even want to be a YA author. And I agree, there are so many authors that ought to thank Stephenie Meyer, because the culture we live in now is because of her impact. Fuck E.L. James though.
So I really love these takes that don't patronize her impact, and though it has it's faults, it's not as horribly awful as people loved to say it was. Minus the movies, they are such bad adaptations.
But I got to say, Carlisle being the unspoken villain of the story is not one that I thought about, but is so interesting to me. This is such a great review


message 23: by Sarah (new)

Sarah I wasn't a fan of Twilight myself, but everyone has that book or series that I think got them into their love of reading or a certain genre, and for that alone, the book/series deserves some recognition.


message 24: by Sarah (new)

Sarah mo wrote: "@Sarah - that "Dear Stephenie Meyer" video from Lindsay Ellis is a great, thoughtful watch. It's a really good breakdown of the shitstorm of Twilight hate, imo. I also totally understand Meyer want..."

I've watched Lindsay's video/her videos. Her discussions are always so insightful. And I agree. All of the hate both in the real world and online world can't be healthy/toxic for a person.


Eliza Rapsodia Who would have thought that Carlisle was the one that forced all this people to be vampires forever... loved that turn of the facts! Great review.


message 26: by Gabi (new)

Gabi This is such a well written essay. I loved reading your review!


message 27: by Zoya (new)

Zoya I love everything you had to say about Bella, a lot of people call her weak and dependent but she's not and I'm happy I'm not the only one who thinks that!


message 28: by Xee (new) - rated it 3 stars

Xee You .Are.Amazeballs! My problems with these books stem mostly from my overall problems with YA(It's just not for me, specially the current popular crop) but the hate is so frickin undeserved. I was nodding along and practicaly screamin' omg yes' at pretty much everything you said about the industry ,the writers and the reviewers and booktubers who now love taking potshots at this series without even crediting or acknowledging what this and it's bdsm parody brought to the table at thier respective times ..
The whole 'better love story the twilight' speaks more for the sayer then the series/author...
Gah.... I wish I had half your eloquence to express my views...


Kylie Crawford Jesus Christ, I agree with @Sarah, the comments on that "over it" article are very aggressive. She might just have been tired of the drama surrounding the series? I mean I don't think she meant to "betray" everyone? Ah well.

@Kiki thanks! Always happy to offer insight from my very limited experiences :)


message 30: by *mk* (new) - rated it 4 stars

*mk* Wow now I kind of want you to review/analyze the other books in the series as well. This was such an interesting perspective.


Nedelina Such an amazing review! I read Twilight years before the movies came out and I really liked the books. Completely agree with you that Bella and Edward (and pretty much everyone) are totally different people in the movies. It's not only the characters, I think the story itself was ruined by the movies (like that f*cking scene in the woods where Bella tells Edward she knows he is a vampire... It had so much more character in the books). I have reread the books few times after I watched the movie and I have noticed that most of the times I reread books after watching the movies I have the actors' faces in my mind, but not with Twilight. Bella has so much more life in the books.
I've never thought about Carlisle the way you have and that was a bit of an eye-opening. I can't say that I agree with everything you said about him, but you certainly gave me some things to think about regarding the story and his character in particular.


Nedelina Also, it is just so ridiculous that authors that are now basically famous and people read their books partly because Twilight created this new "market", are trashing it or ignoring it like it's some kind of dirty little secret. People can argue that books like The Outsiders and The Catcher on the Rye are also YA and are written long before Twilight but seriously, it's not the same. They do not click with the "modern" teenager the way Twilight did. I have read The Catcher in the Rye and The Outsiders but it was a long time ago so my apologies if I say something wrong. They don't have that awkward hight school experience, the insecurities that are so mundane for every teenager... The characters just don't read as a normal 20th century teenager. And yes, it because they are not set in the 20th century but it is also because these books send a different messages, more profound in ways, but distant to this age, and teenagers these days just want... I don't know, something closer to their experiences. The fact that fist Twilight was "cool" and then it wasn't and so many people who were fans started trashing it, I think it was a little bit pathetic, and the way the internet exploded was total unnecessary. This book did start a new trend in literature, it did create a new market for authors and publishers and it did make more teenagers read. A study can probably be done to prove these statements but I stand by my words. It is bitter that people just choose to ignore it or hate it.


message 33: by Erin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin This was a fantastic review, it actually makes me want to reread the series myself to see how my adult brain would read it.


message 34: by Ally (new) - rated it 1 star

Ally I think one of the problems with this book is that for many people it was their YA awakening and so it was fresh and new and exciting. And then that batch of people all grew up and their tastes changed and YA became more sophisticated and has morphed into an adult pastime (something like 30% of readers of YA are adults) so because twilight wasn’t written for adults the opinions are skewed. Yeah, Carlisle et al are problematic but Bella was written for the teens and behaves as such—not for ADULT readers who so often are the ones bashing Bella for for her characterisation and behaviour. I feel like it’s important to keep in mind when reading any YA as an adult that we’re actually not the target audience and we should be expecting a different experience to that of a teen reader. A book for teens isn’t necessarily bad just because an adult reader didn’t like it.

Great review.


message 35: by Kay (new)

Kay . And then my sister would have to come and break down my front door and find me contorted on my bed in my crusty old pyjamas with Dorito dust under my fingernails, and morticians would have to break my bones to pry this book out of my cold dead hands, and I’d need to come back as a ghost years later and write “It was for science� in lipstick on the bathroom mirror just to clear my name. This was amazing. Awesome and comprehensive review, Kiki!


AℳY♔Queen of Fat cats♔Ain't no lie Baby Byebyebye AGREED! Authors are always dishonest, everyone from Clare to Maas even Marie Lou were influenced by Twilight. Bella isn't that bad in the book. I'd rather read Action-Packed Paranormal, so this one will never be my favorite, though.


Simon Says this is probably the best review i've readod twilight, one that acutally looks into its faults and weaknesses, though it seems the latter is always the heavier hand


claire this is such a great analysis. so interesting


Audrey (Warped Shelves) love this.. I LOVE THIS. I love psychological breakdowns ESPECIALLY OF TWILIGHT.


Regina I didn't know I needed this review


caitlin i cant stop fucking laughing at that first paragraph


Navdha The whole Carlisle angle....Dude, what a mood. I LOVE ITTT


message 43: by Kiki (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kiki 😘😘😘


message 44: by Rea (new) - rated it 1 star

Rea K Damn, You make me want to go back and finish my reread of this series. Just to try to read it from a different angle. I'm still stuck on my second read through of Eclipse.


Melissa Love your review! Very insightful, well written, and well thought out.


message 46: by Zee (new)

Zee To be honest, after reading this review the only thing I could think of was how the fuck did any of my papers get a passing grade in college. I am shook.


Alara This is one of the best YA reviews I've read on GR.


message 48: by Kiki (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kiki Omg thank you Alara 💕


message 49: by ~Cyanide Latte~ (new)

~Cyanide Latte~ This review left me floored, Kiki. I don't think I've ever seen such an adroit analysis ofTwilight, ever, much less one so eloquent! Thank you, because this showed up in my feed this morning and made my day better already!


message 50: by Kiki (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kiki ~Cyanide Latte~ wrote: "This review left me floored, Kiki. I don't think I've ever seen such an adroit analysis ofTwilight, ever, much less one so eloquent! Thank you, because this showed up in my feed this morning and ma..."

I'm so glad you enjoyed it! x


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